View Full Version : Mr Morgan, it's still not too late to sack Mick McCarthy.
HIGHLANDER
05-03-2008, 10:02
Mr Morgan, please sack Mick McCarty. It's patently clear that Mick is not up to the job of managing the team, and that if things are allowed to continue as they are at the moment we will not get promoted this season or ever under him.
The Championship this season is as bad as it has ever been, and it wouldn't take many wins to get us in to the top six. This season we saw Neil Warnock take over at Palace and make an immediate impact, even though results have tailed off slightly recently. We've seen the same happen at Spurs with Ramos coming in and making an impact. Dowie at Palace a few years ago is another example of one too many to mention. Mr Morgan, we desperately need a new manager brought in, possibly in a temporary capacity, just for the impact alone that such a shakeup might bring to the team.
Come on, do it.
Kenny-11
05-03-2008, 10:11
Just accept the Mick is going nowhere until our season, in terms of going for promotion, is over. With how the division is we could still be in with a shout right down to the last game of the season. If Morgan was going to pull the Trigger he would have done so in January.
HIGHLANDER
05-03-2008, 10:21
Just accept the Mick is going nowhere until our season, in terms of going for promotion, is over. With how the division is we could still be in with a shout right down to the last game of the season. If Morgan was going to pull the Trigger he would have done so in January.
While I've still got a hole in my backside, I will never accept the crazy decision to leave Mick McCarthy in charge of the team until the end of the season.
We are safe from relegation now so it wouldn't really matter who we brought in temporarily. I would suggest though that the manager employed was one renowned for his motivational and man management skills.
Mr Morgan, please don't sack Mick McCarthy. This season has been poor, I'm sure that's one thing we're all agreed on but many many Wolves fans realise that constantly changing managers and the lack of continuity that brings cannot possibly be the answer. We mostly have the young and hungry team we have been needing for years and they will take time to settle and gel into the consistent unit that we all want to see.
Let's be realistic, we're not going up this year and we may not be going up next but this team is going to mature into a succesful one and though Mick may make many mistakes there is, so far at least, no reason at all to believe he can't take this team up given time.
I don't believe that you are prone to knee-jerk reactions and so hope you won't listen to the fans that are looking for a quick fix and think regular management changes can bring success.
Templeton Peck
05-03-2008, 10:25
He won't go until the end of the season although I do agree with Highlander that it does seem daft to prolong the inevitable. Getting someone in now gives them a chance to at best make the play offs or at worst experiment with and assess the squad in meaningless games. He can also sit down with Morgan and plan his summer shopping spree.
HIGHLANDER
05-03-2008, 10:28
Who?
Joe Royle
Harry Bassett
He won't go until the end of the season although I do agree with Highlander that it does seem daft to prolong the inevitable. Getting someone in now gives them a chance to at best make the play offs or at worst experiment with and assess the squad in meaningless games. He can also sit down with Morgan and plan his summer shopping spree.
Why are so many people convinced he'll go at the end of the season. Morgan backed him over the Korea business and then further backed him with money to spend in January, he clearly has faith in the man so why do you think he'll sack him?
Continuous hiring and firing? Well, it works for Newcastle, so why not us?
Harry Bassett
Dear God, no.
Dear God, no.
Agreed.
And it shows just how much thought the 'sack Mick' brigade are putting into this.
SmokeyGB
05-03-2008, 10:34
While I've still got a hole in my backside, I will never accept the crazy decision to leave Mick McCarthy in charge of the team until the end of the season.
We are safe from relegation now so it wouldn't really matter who we brought in temporarily. I would suggest though that the manager employed was one renowned for his motivational and man management skills.
Sorry but we are NOT safe from relegation, lose most games and others win we can still be relegated. As for Promotion, why should we accept it that we will not get there ????? a few lucky poor win's and anything is possible.
Don't get me wrong i'm not a MM fan at all, but what i do is respect the guy or what he did last season and he deserves the chance until end of season and ONLY THEN can MR MORGAN make the choice of what he see's fit is best for the club.
We know the team is poor in places but what we don't need is to transfer that to the players beyween start and full time. OK if losing 3-0 etc then voice your opions but if the other team has played us of the park give credit where credit is due.
We've seen the same happen at Spurs with Ramos coming in and making an impact.
It could happen, and like you say, there's plenty of examples. But its never happened to us, Taylor, McGhee, Jones & Hoddle were all brought in with a hope of an immediate impact squeezing us into the play-offs but none of them made any impact at all until until the following season. Colin Lee probably made the greatest impact.
Templeton Peck
05-03-2008, 10:35
Mr Morgan, please don't sack Mick McCarthy. This season has been poor, I'm sure that's one thing we're all agreed on but many many Wolves fans realise that constantly changing managers and the lack of continuity that brings cannot possibly be the answer. We mostly have the young and hungry team we have been needing for years and they will take time to settle and gel into the consistent unit that we all want to see.
Let's be realistic, we're not going up this year and we may not be going up next but this team is going to mature into a succesful one and though Mick may make many mistakes there is, so far at least, no reason at all to believe he can't take this team up given time.
I don't believe that you are prone to knee-jerk reactions and so hope you won't listen to the fans that are looking for a quick fix and think regular management changes can bring success.
Until very recently I would have agreed but I can't ignore the evidence any longer.
Wingers were a big part of how he wasnted us to play this season yet he has failed to obtain decent cover for the despite the fact that Jarvis and Gobern were injured in pre-season and that he let Jones go out on loan.
Central defence needed addressing in the summer and he signed someone who was no better than what we already had and loaned out the best one.
He has persisted with two holding players in the middle when it was clear that lack of creativity was an issue particularly given the injuries mentioned above.
He has constantly meddled with his front two (and spent 3.5m on strikers) in what looks like an increasingly desperate attempt to solve our goalscoring problems.
In short we have performed worse this season than last despite a poorer division and nearly £7m spent. He has to go.
If the team is not promoted this season then the manager should go in fact the manager should go as soon as promotion isn't possible.
2 years is long enough with the money that has been spent, especially when the team is moving backwards in terms of play.
The chopping and changing myth only works when the manager is successful. Success breeds continuity.
HIGHLANDER
05-03-2008, 10:36
Dear God, no.
Mutchy, his track record at getting teams promoted is second to none.
I'm not suggesting that his appointment would be permanent, only temporary. We would have absolutely nothing to lose if he was appointed manager just until the end of the season.
Sorry but we are NOT safe from relegation, lose most games and others win we can still be relegated.
Really? In the last 5 seasons, 43, 43, 51, 52 and 51 points have been needed to avoid relegation and we have 51 already. I would say relegation is impossible.
Mutchy, his track record at getting teams promoted is second to none.
How long is it since he did anything of note? Seems like he's become a sort of journeyman caretaker manager in recent years.
HIGHLANDER
05-03-2008, 10:42
Sorry but we are NOT safe from relegation, lose most games and others win we can still be relegated. As for Promotion, why should we accept it that we will not get there ????? a few lucky poor win's and anything is possible.
Don't get me wrong i'm not a MM fan at all, but what i do is respect the guy or what he did last season and he deserves the chance until end of season and ONLY THEN can MR MORGAN make the choice of what he see's fit is best for the club.
We know the team is poor in places but what we don't need is to transfer that to the players beyween start and full time. OK if losing 3-0 etc then voice your opions but if the other team has played us of the park give credit where credit is due.
Smokey, I disagree with you. We only need another two points and we are certain of staying up. I can't see any manager that was brought in, however bad, would be unable to obtain that tally.
Bend It Like Dennison
05-03-2008, 10:43
http://www.leaguemanagers.com/manager/longest-current.html
The 31st most long serving manager in the league, the 30 managers above him though have either:
a. got their club promoted.
b. got their club into Europe, won something, or both.
Yeah but no but yeah but... SHUT UP!! He like sooo got Sunderland promoted with Carl Robinson in the team & even though he's only achieved one promotion in his lousy career he's still a great manager & he's like dead, dead honest & stuff so there. :rolleyes:
Give it up. Get rid. And move on.
ROVERT47
05-03-2008, 10:47
There is only one man who can make the decision to change the Manager.
At this present time, it would appear that he does not hold the same view as a number of people on this Msg board.
Bend It Like Dennison
05-03-2008, 10:50
There is only one man who can make the decision to change the Manager.
At this present time, it would appear that he does not hold the same view as a number of people on this Msg board.
More's the ****ing pity.
Lets see how he feels with barely 10,000 season tickets sold by the end of May.
HIGHLANDER
05-03-2008, 10:52
How long is it since he did anything of note? Seems like he's become a sort of journeyman caretaker manager in recent years.
Mutchy, I admit he hasn't done much recently. I was just using his name, off the top of my head, as a quick responce to Jamboons question. I just feel that desperate times deserve desperate measures, meaning even if it means bringing in somebody that might only be able to make a short term impact, it's better than leaving MM in charge.
Elephant Pyjamas
05-03-2008, 10:56
Joe Royle
Harry Bassett
Dave Bassett?? And you are critical of the football we currently play?
We would get severe neck ache with him in charge!
Why not Allardyce?
PS. Highlander, to be fair, you've since commented on DB.
I would say the playoffs would be the minimum requirement for MM to keep his job. Would we really want to go up anyway? I suppose winning at Wembley would be a good memory, but with the manager we have in charge now I doubt any ammount of money would be enough to keep us up.
Look at the money spent this season and the mess the manager has made with it, would you seriously trust MM to spend maybe 3 to 5 times that much?
If Steve Morgan keeps him on for next season I wouldn't give him any money, he should make the players he has bought this season work, and bring in the odd free transfer/nominal fee, which he seems better at doing anyway.
ProudWolf
05-03-2008, 11:03
McCarthy will be here next season, like it or not.
The Dave Bassett suggestion is pure genius! I wish I could produce such comedy!
Bend It Like Dennison
05-03-2008, 11:03
I would say the playoffs would be the minimum requirement for MM to keep his job. Would we really want to go up anyway? I suppose winning at Wembley would be a good memory, but with the manager we have in charge now I doubt any ammount of money would be enough to keep us up.
You make a good point, if we did go up that would mean another 18 months minimum of the Yorkshire ****.
And that wouldnt be good.
Elephant Pyjamas
05-03-2008, 11:03
I would say the playoffs would be the minimum requirement for MM to keep his job. Would we really want to go up anyway? I suppose winning at Wembley would be a good memory, but with the manager we have in charge now I doubt any ammount of money would be enough to keep us up.
Look at the money spent this season and the mess the manager has made with it, would you seriously trust MM to spend maybe 3 to 5 times that much?
If Steve Morgan keeps him on for next season I wouldn't give him any money, he should make the players he has bought this season work, and bring in the odd free transfer/nominal fee, which he seems better at doing anyway.
To be fair, i don't think McCarthy's signings have been that bad, pretty much all of them are worth as much or more than what they bought in at (SEB, Edwards, Foley, Kightly, Jarvis, Keogh, Henry to name a few).
The problem has been the style of football which has been awful, having got a good positive style last season. We have simply been far too negative this season.
I think MM should be replaced at the end of the season if we don't make the PO's (which we won't). I would love to see Fat Sam in.
Moira Stewart
05-03-2008, 11:05
I'd be for him staying if I saw a forward progression, reasons to believe we can go up next season but I think his recent work in going back to his old tried and trusted players Breen, Craddock, Elliott, Kyle....is just to save his bacon and not in any way positive for the long term of our football club.
We've gone backwards since last season, last nights game was abysmal and in no way entertaining. I don't want to renew my season ticket and see the same stuff next season but I can't see how he's going to change or any suggestion he does want to change.
I don't see the point of bringing in Bassett or Royle at this stage as a temporary measure. It would just unsettle the squad further and whoever would then come in as permanent manager later would have more mess to sort!
At this stage I'd rather stick with MM and see what happens. If we do make the playoffs but fail to get promotion then the board will have a tough decision to make. If we don't make them at all then it should be a fairly straight forward decision.
ROVERT47
05-03-2008, 11:10
More's the ****ing pity.
Lets see how he feels with barely 10,000 season tickets sold by the end of May.
Have you got yours yet?;)
Famous Grouch
05-03-2008, 11:11
However depressing it may be watching Wolves at the moment it cannot be as bad as reading this forum. Get a 'young and hungry team'- about 12 or 13 of last nights squad were 24 or under and then expect them to be the finished article straight away. The club has a recent history of manager hire and fire which has not worked. So lets fire the manager. A reasonable season last year but lets ignore it. Injuries to good players- so what. Lets buy replacements for them all so we have 'cover' in every position. If I'm found dead at this computer it's all your fault.
Big Mack
05-03-2008, 11:13
Changing tack slightly, anyone see Sam being questioned at half time on SSN last night. Looked very sad about the Newcastle situation and I think he has a point to prove to them. He'd be the man I'd be looking to get in.
That said, I don't think MM is going anywhere. The South Korea debacle proved that.
Templeton Peck
05-03-2008, 11:45
Changing tack slightly, anyone see Sam being questioned at half time on SSN last night. Looked very sad about the Newcastle situation and I think he has a point to prove to them. He'd be the man I'd be looking to get in.
That said, I don't think MM is going anywhere. The South Korea debacle proved that.
Morgan had ample opportunity to back him unequivocally in the WM interview and chose not to. Thats says it all for me.
Bend It Like Dennison
05-03-2008, 11:51
Have you got yours yet?;)
Errr... yeah. :o
Dewsburywolf
05-03-2008, 11:52
Changing tack slightly, anyone see Sam being questioned at half time on SSN last night.
Sorry Big Mack no I was at the game.
Good shout I suppose but do you really think he'd come here? Poisoned Chalice and all that, plus he's a Wolves fan. Would he want or need the stick?
Elephant Pyjamas
05-03-2008, 11:57
Sorry Big Mack no I was at the game.
Good shout I suppose but do you really think he'd come here? Poisoned Chalice and all that, plus he's a Wolves fan. Would he want or need the stick?
He has something to prove. We all know that when Wolves are doing well we are the best fans in the world.
I think he'd be up for it, and i hope he would be too.
Moira Stewart
05-03-2008, 12:20
However depressing it may be watching Wolves at the moment it cannot be as bad as reading this forum. Get a 'young and hungry team'- about 12 or 13 of last nights squad were 24 or under and then expect them to be the finished article straight away. The club has a recent history of manager hire and fire which has not worked. So lets fire the manager. A reasonable season last year but lts ignore it. Injuries to good players- so what. Lets buy replacements for them all so we have 'cover' in every position. If I'm found dead at this computer it's all your fault.
They don't just magically improve though do they?? They improve by coaching and learning and going out on a football field and putting it into practice. Quite a few have gone backwards and there are also a fair few who will never be good enough. You can only pay into this young and hungry stuff to a point.
Templeton Peck
05-03-2008, 12:39
Sorry Big Mack no I was at the game.
Good shout I suppose but do you really think he'd come here? Poisoned Chalice and all that, plus he's a Wolves fan. Would he want or need the stick?
The fact he's a Wolves fan would ease the pressure if anything IMO. You also have to look at what other jobs he could get in this country at the moment that are better.
The only Prem clubs that might change managers in the next 3 months is Fulham and possibly Newcastle. Theres no bigger job outside the Prem and Rangers and Celtic won't be changing for a while either. As long as his wages were too his liking I think he'd take it.
I would be surprised if McCarthy is sacked in the summer. I think he'll be in charge come the start of next season.
RoffeyWolf
05-03-2008, 12:50
Royle and Bassett - oh my God .... thank $$$$$$$ you're not in charge.
Dewsburywolf
05-03-2008, 12:55
The fact he's a Wolves fan would ease the pressure if anything IMO. You also have to look at what other jobs he could get in this country at the moment that are better.
The only Prem clubs that might change managers in the next 3 months is Fulham and possibly Newcastle. Theres no bigger job outside the Prem and Rangers and Celtic won't be changing for a while either. As long as his wages were too his liking I think he'd take it.
Fulham changing manager??? Give Hodgson a chance he's only been in the job five minutes.
Woburn Wolf
05-03-2008, 13:02
Mr Morgan, please don't sack Mick McCarthy. This season has been poor, I'm sure that's one thing we're all agreed on but many many Wolves fans realise that constantly changing managers and the lack of continuity that brings cannot possibly be the answer. We mostly have the young and hungry team we have been needing for years and they will take time to settle and gel into the consistent unit that we all want to see.
Let's be realistic, we're not going up this year and we may not be going up next but this team is going to mature into a succesful one and though Mick may make many mistakes there is, so far at least, no reason at all to believe he can't take this team up given time.
I don't believe that you are prone to knee-jerk reactions and so hope you won't listen to the fans that are looking for a quick fix and think regular management changes can bring success.
Mr Morgan, Please do not be taken in by those that say we are building a young and hungry team. We do not have a young and hungry team. Who, out of last season's intake could still be described as hungry (apart from Kites). Out of this season's crop there is probably only Edwards and Elokobi that could still be described as "hungry" both of whom have only been here five minutes and besides they are both limited and are never likely to play above CCC level. Please put McCarthy and us out of our pain and begin building for next season.
Woburn Wolf
05-03-2008, 13:04
Why are so many people convinced he'll go at the end of the season. Morgan backed him over the Korea business and then further backed him with money to spend in January, he clearly has faith in the man so why do you think he'll sack him?
How about because he watches the dross that McCarthy's team produces week in week out.
Dewsburywolf
05-03-2008, 13:07
We do not have a young and hungry team. Who, out of last season's intake could still be described as hungry (apart from Kites). Out of this season's crop there is probably only Edwards and Elokobi that could still be described as "hungry" both of whom have only been here five minutes and besides they are both limited and are never likely to play above CCC level.
You could add Ebanks-Blake to that list plus possibly Foley (when played with a PROPER winger in front of him) and IMPV Keogh.
PREM.L.L
05-03-2008, 13:10
I think if he was persisting with the players he brought in and the attacking style of last season, then fair enough, at least we'd have something to get behind, but he doesn't as such especially up front.
It's like from his original building job spec he's panicked as the expectation has risen on the back of last season's over achievment. He then returned to his old war horses to try and rescue something from the season.
I think SEB is the only player who has come in and done what's required. How long until he has a bit of a lean spell?? and he's a fat $$$$$$$ who needs to lose half a stone at least!
Him scoring vertually every chance he gets isn't going to continue....then he'll be on the merry-go-round.
MM has to go, say all you want about continuity, this is not good enough. MM had the recipe last season but seems intent to ignore it this season which is grounds for removal in itself, never mind anything else. players who had big parts in last season are also out on loan when cover is needed.
Say the likes of Jones and Little and Gleeson. Big part players last season, yes a bit green but did well. Out on loan when cover/new injection is needed.
The current crop who replaced them (except jarvis) make just as many balls ups yet don't bring to the table what the youngsters do.
Bit of a rambling post but i'm fed up with it.
Templeton Peck
05-03-2008, 13:11
Fulham changing manager??? Give Hodgson a chance he's only been in the job five minutes.
Thats based on Al-fayed being a bit mad and the possibility that he may sell up if they go down.
Dewsburywolf
05-03-2008, 13:15
I think SEB is the only player who has come in and done what's required. How long until he has a bit of a lean spell?? and he's a fat $$$$$$$ who needs to lose half a stone at least!
Sorry mate but that's already started, see Monday's all day long rant.
JR's Boots
05-03-2008, 13:34
Continuity of last nights dross?
No thanks.
Woburn Wolf
05-03-2008, 13:56
I would be surprised if McCarthy is sacked in the summer. I think he'll be in charge come the start of next season.
If he is, I fancy that season ticket sales and attendances will be down big time and how will Morgan react to that?
Woburn Wolf
05-03-2008, 13:57
Fulham changing manager??? Give Hodgson a chance he's only been in the job five minutes.
So was Laurie Sanchez!!
Dewsburywolf
05-03-2008, 14:00
So was Laurie Sanchez!!
Is Al Fayad the new Mandaric??
EddieClamp-tops
05-03-2008, 14:16
As Bassett, Big Sam and Royle are the only names mentioned on here as replacements for Mick, it shows that no-one has any real idea of who to bring in if Mick is sacked.
All the above have lost their jobs through failure at some time so why would any of them do better than someone who got Sunderland up and successfully managed the Irish national team?
Without a much better replacement we may as well stay with the devil we know. Oh and by the way, Bully got off to a great start last night, losing 6-0 so we can forget him for a few months while he learns the job :)
Famous Grouch
05-03-2008, 14:26
Newcastle sacked a manager brought in Big Sam then sacked him then brought in little Kev and so far this has been seen to be such a resounding success that some seem to think we need to follow this example. What's that definition of lunacy again?
Dewsburywolf
05-03-2008, 14:29
Newcastle sacked a manager brought in Big Sam then sacked him then brought in little Kev and so far this has been seen to be such a resounding success that some seem to think we need to follow this example. What's that definition of lunacy again?
Sack, sack and sack again until you get a Manager that works??
A bit like MM's been doing with the Strike pairings.
Templeton Peck
05-03-2008, 14:39
Newcastle sacked a manager brought in Big Sam then sacked him then brought in little Kev and so far this has been seen to be such a resounding success that some seem to think we need to follow this example. What's that definition of lunacy again?
Aside from the fact that Sam was given 6 months and McCarthy has had (nearly) 2 seasons you're spot on.
Templeton Peck
05-03-2008, 14:42
As Bassett, Big Sam and Royle are the only names mentioned on here as replacements for Mick, it shows that no-one has any real idea of who to bring in if Mick is sacked.
All the above have lost their jobs through failure at some time so why would any of them do better than someone who got Sunderland up and successfully managed the Irish national team?
Without a much better replacement we may as well stay with the devil we know. Oh and by the way, Bully got off to a great start last night, losing 6-0 so we can forget him for a few months while he learns the job :)
Bassett was only mentioned as a stop gap and it would be harsh to judge Sam a failure after a few months at Newcastle. Joe Royle has also got a side promoted from this division, got Oldham into the top flight and won the FA Cup with Everton - better CV than Micks.
Dewsburywolf
05-03-2008, 14:48
Joe Royle has also got a side promoted from this division, got Oldham into the top flight and won the FA Cup with Everton - better CV than Micks.
Can't help but wonder how come Royle's been out of Football for so long.
OCD Wolf
05-03-2008, 14:53
The 'continuity' arguement is a non starter, for every Wenger and Ferguson there's a Bryan Robson. If you want 'continuity' get down to Gresty Road and watch Dario Gradi's team yo-yo from league 1 - 2 and watch all their best players go off to better places for the sake of their careers.
Maybe I am wrong but I always wanted better for Wolves.
Continuity is great if the right man is in charge, MM is not that man.
SOA Wolf
05-03-2008, 14:57
I would be totally fed up if we considered the likes of Bassett as a temporary manager....it is the type of short sighted short termism this club has been guilty of for years...Jones was given the remit to 'get us up quick' and so built a team primarily for promotion, but was then past it's best when we did get up and so the inevitable happened, Hoddle was on a six month contract with the comment that he would get a huge bonus if we got promoted...again a short term approach...and that is why I was against MM even being appointed, his record reeks of short term achievements and in the long term his teams have gone backwards....so why was it thought that this would be different?
He was brought in to rebuild a squad with little money...he is a good scout for lower league players, but when he has money to spend his record is not great (SEB being one of the exceptions). So if we did get promoted what is likely to happen...this man has the worst record in PL history as a manager....others have gone up with little resource and done better...so it has always looked to me like a short term appointment....if we do sack him, please let us make an appointment with someone with either a good record (Sam Allardyce, for example has this) or someone who could develop (such as Paul Ince)...but please let us stop this short term mamagement. I would rather have a few years in this division and build something than have this nonsense.
We have now been in this division (since the PL was formed) longer than anyone and that is not down to one manager, it is down to the culture at the club...that needs to change.
HIGHLANDER
05-03-2008, 15:36
The 'continuity' arguement is a non starter, for every Wenger and Ferguson there's a Bryan Robson. If you want 'continuity' get down to Gresty Road and watch Dario Gradi's team yo-yo from league 1 - 2 and watch all their best players go off to better places for the sake of their careers.
Maybe I am wrong but I always wanted better for Wolves.
Continuity is great if the right man is in charge, MM is not that man.
Spot on.
The only reason that we have had to change managers every two or three years is because the ones that we have appointed have been no good. The ones we have then got in to replace those managers have been no good as well. True, it hasn't worked out continuosly replacing those failing managers, but I fear that if we hadn't of got rid of them we might have ended up getting relegated eventually.
If McCarthy is allowed to stay in charge in to 08/09, I fear that there is a very real chance that we will be involved in a relegation struggle next season. You only have to look at our form since the end of last March to know that this is a distinct possibility.
He needs to go now.
Just how much longer can Morgan warrant keeping him?
Dewsburywolf
05-03-2008, 15:41
Just how much longer can Morgan warrant keeping him?
Until that alleged clause in the SJH sign over runs out?
The one that allegedly says MM must stay for the season.
Wolv3nsam
05-03-2008, 15:42
A sack Mick McCarthy thread and no brown nosing of Paul Ince yet?
I'm shocked.
Dewsburywolf
05-03-2008, 15:46
A sack Mick McCarthy thread and no brown nosing of Paul Ince yet?
I'm shocked.
His club's been "found out" Darren Ferguson's Peterborough areTop of League 2 now. Ince out :D
Sedgley Gold N Black
05-03-2008, 16:03
I think SEB is the only player who has come in and done what's required. How long until he has a bit of a lean spell?? and he's a fat $$$$$$$ who needs to lose half a stone at least!
Him scoring vertually every chance he gets isn't going to continue....then he'll be on the merry-go-round.
good strikers score with every chance they get and make the most of it he looks like he has the nack of being in the right place at the right time which is what we have missed this season as well as a good manager and fit injury free wingers.
RoffeyWolf
05-03-2008, 16:08
Joe Royle has also got a side promoted from this division, got Oldham into the top flight and won the FA Cup with Everton - better CV than Micks.
So has Bryan Robson.
Bryan Robson for Wolves.
SOA Wolf
05-03-2008, 16:18
So has Bryan Robson.
Bryan Robson for Wolves.
When did Bryan Robson win the FA Cup?
Wolv3nsam
05-03-2008, 16:24
good strikers score with every chance they get and make the most of it he looks like he has the nack of being in the right place at the right time which is what we have missed this season as well as a good manager and fit injury free wingers.
We had it earlier in the season when Eastwood was on the ball.
Bugsy911
05-03-2008, 16:24
The 'continuity' arguement is a non starter, for every Wenger and Ferguson there's a Bryan Robson. If you want 'continuity' get down to Gresty Road and watch Dario Gradi's team yo-yo from league 1 - 2 and watch all their best players go off to better places for the sake of their careers.
Maybe I am wrong but I always wanted better for Wolves.
Continuity is great if the right man is in charge, MM is not that man.
This is also how I feel and I even said to my son after the last minute give away goal that a win cant disguise what a poor side we now look.
I cant understand what MM is trying to do as what we are seeing this season is a million miles away from last.
Im not a hire them fire them merchant but I no longer have any confidence in him and his bizzare team selections / tactics and would hope he gets sacked as soon as we cant make the play offs.
Oldgoldwulf
05-03-2008, 16:30
The 'continuity' arguement is a non starter, for every Wenger and Ferguson there's a Bryan Robson. If you want 'continuity' get down to Gresty Road and watch Dario Gradi's team yo-yo from league 1 - 2 and watch all their best players go off to better places for the sake of their careers.
Maybe I am wrong but I always wanted better for Wolves.
Continuity is great if the right man is in charge, MM is not that man.
Agreed 100% - good post.
I don't want to be chopping and changing managers every two years but i'm sorry let's wait until we get a decent one in post before we give out the 10 year contracts!
SaleWolf
05-03-2008, 17:09
Sack the buffoon now. What exactly is the point in prolonging it til the end of the season.
Mind you, knowing Moxey's record, we'll probably extend his contract in May and give him a $$$$ing payrise.
ice cream head
05-03-2008, 17:19
The point in keeping him is the fact that we're only 4 points off the play offs with a game in hand on most of the others around us and still 33 points to play for. We were 11 points clear at the same stage a few years ago but were caught and overtook. 4 points is $$$$ all particularly, and I wish to make this absolutely crystal clear, with one game in hand over our rivals. We have played $$$$ for most of the season and yet we're still in there with a shout.
Last night was utter $$$$, I missed the last 2 goals as I was long gone, however, the over reaction on here and other forums is ridiculous. It's patently clear that some of you need to find other things in your lives to occupy your minds.
Wolv3nsam
05-03-2008, 17:21
We have played $$$$ for most of the season and yet we're still in there with a shout.
That proves how $$$$ this league is, which is epitomised by Bristol City being top of the table!
RoffeyWolf
05-03-2008, 17:25
When did Bryan Robson win the FA Cup?
Sorry I didn't realise that was more important that getting out of the championship.
Still 83/84 and 90 to answer your question.
If you mean as a manager, then I will add - when has Royle managed and international side, at a world cup for example? Does that make Micks record better in your eyes?
$$$$$$$ me, I cant believe I am having to argue against Joe Royle as manager....
ice cream head
05-03-2008, 17:26
That proves how $$$$ this league is, which is epitomised by Bristol City being top of the table!
Exactly.
Atlas 1951
05-03-2008, 17:28
The continuity argument is a case of "gambler's fallacy"; stick with it long enough and it will come good. It is simplistic beyond belief. As I have said on here before, if Wolves' twenty years of woes all come down to impatience with managers, show me the guys we've given the bullet to who have gone on to rub it in our faces. It is clear that we got the wrong guys, and keeping them longer would only have brought us trouble.
It is understandable that expectations have dampened in that time, but try to think back and remember how you felt when SJH took control of the club. Optimism, self respect and a real sense of ambition accompanied those years and they should accompany these ones too. Nobody compared Graham Taylor's team to Tommy Docherty's and said, "It could be worse". We had new standards, and we expected managers to meet them. And that they never did was not the fans' fault.
I cannot believe Steve Morgan signed up for the job with low expectations. A Liverpool fan will not have enjoyed the last six months, and neither will he be taken in by a manager who thinks strength in depth means having more than one excuse when things go wrong.
He'll see the season out and then offski.
HIGHLANDER
05-03-2008, 17:50
Until that alleged clause in the SJH sign over runs out?
The one that allegedly says MM must stay for the season.
Personally, I don't believe that there was any such condition forced on Steve Morgan when he bought Wolves. I just can's see him agreeing to a clause which tells him who and who not to employ.
A sack Mick McCarthy thread and no brown nosing of Paul Ince yet?
I'm shocked. The gist of this thread centres around whether it might be an idea to appoint a temporary manager until the end of the season. That's why Incey's and big Sam's names have not featured dominantly.
Atlas 1951
05-03-2008, 17:59
Personally, I don't believe that there was any such condition forced on Steve Morgan when he bought Wolves. I just can's see him agreeing to a clause which tells him who and who not to employ.
The gist of this thread centres around whether it might be an idea to appoint a temporary manager until the end of the season. That's why Incey's and big Sam's names have not featured dominantly.
If there were such a condition, Moxey should get the bullet too.
We got Taylor in late in the season and he got us into the play-offs. It could work again, but unbeaten in five games he's not going to make that decision just yet.
Oldgold Wolfcub
05-03-2008, 18:02
Mr Morgan, please don't sack Mick McCarthy. This season has been poor, I'm sure that's one thing we're all agreed on but many many Wolves fans realise that constantly changing managers and the lack of continuity that brings cannot possibly be the answer. We mostly have the young and hungry team we have been needing for years and they will take time to settle and gel into the consistent unit that we all want to see.
Let's be realistic, we're not going up this year and we may not be going up next but this team is going to mature into a succesful one and though Mick may make many mistakes there is, so far at least, no reason at all to believe he can't take this team up given time.
I don't believe that you are prone to knee-jerk reactions and so hope you won't listen to the fans that are looking for a quick fix and think regular management changes can bring success.
Ps Mr Morgan please dont listen to the rumours that although I call myself Mr Zuki I am indeed Mick McCarthy. Its not true although if it was I would be really grateful to all those sock puppets who are trying to keep me in a job because I am not really good enough to make my own case.
Of course another reason I cant be Mick McCarthy is that I am a nugget and I read the forums and I oops I mean Mick does not. Thanking you for reading this and I am sorry I could not enclose any pictures for colouring in.
HIGHLANDER
05-03-2008, 18:19
If there were such a condition, Moxey should get the bullet too.
We got Taylor in late in the season and he got us into the play-offs. It could work again, but unbeaten in five games he's not going to make that decision just yet.
If Morgan gets a big enough mailbag of complaints he might take notice. I might be wrong though, I've written to him twice and he hasn't even had the courtesy to reply.
306NOTOUT
05-03-2008, 18:23
Someone said last night that he was given a guarantee when the Korea thing kicked off that he would not be sacked for 12 months unless he gets a big pay off.. This would not surprise me one bit.
Atlas 1951
05-03-2008, 18:41
He was on a rolling contract anyway, which means 12-months pay when he gets the push.
Rumours abound regarding a) a further guarantee when Morgan took over and b) improved (and/or more binding) conditions while Mick held a gun to his head during Koreagate.
Taffywolf
05-03-2008, 18:54
The last 3 managers we have appointed have all been out of work. That says alot.
Dewsburywolf
05-03-2008, 18:56
The last 3 managers we have appointed have all been out of work. That says alot.
And the last one hasn't had a job since we binned him off. Except for having his gurning mug on Sky every damned week.
harriswolf
05-03-2008, 19:05
Ok, here's my two penneth:
I will not be renewing my season ticket - and it wouldn't matter if the manager changed - I have made up my mind and am sticking to it.
This season I also bought one for my son so Wolves will actually lose 2 ticket sales.
They will, of course lose a lot more - I think this time last year we had good grounds for optimism but that has now all evaporated. There is no way that this year's early bird will be as successful as last year's.
I am now firmly in the camp of McCarthy going and I always follow the adage .. if you're going to do something ... DO IT NOW!
Why wait until the end of the season and let the wounds fester so that the disgruntled players (Freddie, Jay, etc) get more disgruntled, the frustrated fans get more frustrated and McCarthy - well he couldn't care less because he knows he will be sacked one day!
One thing I ask is that next time we appoint someone young and hungry with a point to prove.
No more failed managers please!
If managers get sacked by Sunderland, Southampton, Villa or whoever - what on earth is there to suggest that they could be a success here!
Get McCarthy out now - if the right man isn't available then appoint a caretaker team but at least DO something and show INTENT.
However one thing is for sure - when (not if) McCarthy is sacked - there will be plenty of CVs into the office on the next day!
GoldenHorseshoe
05-03-2008, 19:20
Mr Morgan, Please do not be taken in by those that say we are building a young and hungry team. We do not have a young and hungry team. Who, out of last season's intake could still be described as hungry (apart from Kites). Out of this season's crop there is probably only Edwards and Elokobi that could still be described as "hungry" both of whom have only been here five minutes and besides they are both limited and are never likely to play above CCC level. Please put McCarthy and us out of our pain and begin building for next season.
You can call (most) of Mccarthy's signings young, but how good are they? The first criteria for signing a player, (in my opinion), is, "Is he any good? or has potential to become good?" I'm not sure how many fall into that category.
Oldgold Wolfcub
05-03-2008, 19:25
Well there is a lot of scathing stuff on here. It seems even worse than with Jones.
Anyone thought about starting a poll to see if he should be sacked.:D
SmokeyGB
05-03-2008, 19:32
If Morgan gets a big enough mailbag of complaints he might take notice. I might be wrong though, I've written to him twice and he hasn't even had the courtesy to reply.
Uganda not got cable wiring for the internet, and only limited access on his mobile phone..........
Atlas 1951
05-03-2008, 19:37
One thing I ask is that next time we appoint someone young and hungry with a point to prove.
No more failed managers please!
If managers get sacked by Sunderland, Southampton, Villa or whoever - what on earth is there to suggest that they could be a success here!
Get McCarthy out now - if the right man isn't available then appoint a caretaker team but at least DO something and show INTENT.
However one thing is for sure - when (not if) McCarthy is sacked - there will be plenty of CVs into the office on the next day!
To be fair to D. Jones, he didn't get the sack from Southampton but left because he had to fight allegations of child abuse.
In any case, though I agree with the sentiment of what you say, I do not believe that just because a manager has been sacked he can't come good elsewhere. There are too many variables (what kind of team did he inherit? How much backing did he get? Did he get a fair crack of the whip?). And if you're not going to get someone who's never been sacked, you either have to gamble on a novice or pay off an existing contract. Thus far we've only ever opted for the latter option with McGee, and it didn't work out, but it did, at least, show some ambition on our part.
Morgan hasn't had a go behind the controls of his new plaything yet, and I fully expect him to want to at some stage. He'll get the guy he wants - whether currently employed or not - and back him. And I don't see any reason why he'd let the team stagnate for another year before doing it.
Evolution Wolf
05-03-2008, 20:31
im all for continuity if its the right man incharge MM ISNT the right man. sack him now and get someone in that is going for a long term plan ,that can get us promoted and firing in goals, oh and dont forgett good man management. if we did somehow get promoted this season it would be worse than his record breaking season with blunderland and i for one dont want to see that.
Munich_Wolf
05-03-2008, 21:33
And the last one hasn't had a job since we binned him off. Except for having his gurning mug on Sky every damned week.
No, we can't even claim success in that department. It was he that left us despite Moxey's protest.
Very depressing
Dewsburywolf
05-03-2008, 22:53
No, we can't even claim success in that department. It was he that left us despite Moxey's protest.
Very depressing
Still hasn't had a job since he left whichever way you class it. AND he was unemployed for over a year before we took him on.
mm has to go! he simply doesn,t know what he is doing! this is the man that bought kevin kyle to the club and guarenteed two years of long ball hoof followed by relegation and the sack.
Please please sack him and send kyle to stafford rangers
Stewarton Wolf
05-03-2008, 23:27
A sack Mick McCarthy thread and no brown nosing of Paul Ince yet?
I'm shocked.
Oh shut up - you were even calling for his head the other week. Get a backbone and get off the fence.
SOA Wolf
06-03-2008, 01:26
Sorry I didn't realise that was more important that getting out of the championship.
Still 83/84 and 90 to answer your question.
If you mean as a manager, then I will add - when has Royle managed and international side, at a world cup for example? Does that make Micks record better in your eyes?
$$$$$$$ me, I cant believe I am having to argue against Joe Royle as manager....
I wasn't arguing for Royle as manager....quote me where I did that...I was merely asking a question, and as we were talking about managers and not players I assumed you were trying to say Robson had won the FA Cup as a manager......read my previous posts, I am against old has been managers being continually dragged out as our saviours....we seem to have a management that is not prepared to look long term with the appointment of managers based on who they do appoint and they also take a 'safe' option, by appointing people with a 'CV'....things they can use to justify their decision such as 'he was an ex-international manager, so has plenty of experience'...we've fallen for that in 3 out of the past 6 managers. Basing your decisions with that sort of logic shows a lack of real football insight. The failings of both Hoddle and McCarthy were so predictable....I never wanted either of them appointed, both have done exactly what they had in the past.
It will be interesting to see who we do appoint next with Morgan in charge.
RoffeyWolf
06-03-2008, 08:20
I wasn't arguing for Royle as manager....quote me where I did that...I
Sorry for the confusion, you commented on my reply to someone about Royle and I put 2 and 2 together to make 5...!
The FA cup wins as a player was tongue in cheek, probably lost once typed..
Woburn Wolf
06-03-2008, 10:55
If Morgan gets a big enough mailbag of complaints he might take notice. I might be wrong though, I've written to him twice and he hasn't even had the courtesy to reply.
I wrote but got a "standard" reply from some PR girl. Most of the points made in my letter were not even addressed and the standard letter addressed points that I had not raised. Better not to reply at all than to do this.
SOA Wolf
06-03-2008, 14:15
Sorry for the confusion, you commented on my reply to someone about Royle and I put 2 and 2 together to make 5...!
The FA cup wins as a player was tongue in cheek, probably lost once typed..
fair enough, thanks for replying
There's no point in sacking MM now. Just wait till the Summer and hopefully we'll decide not to renew his contract
Del Woppio
06-03-2008, 14:28
It's a 12 month rolling contract.
Atlas 1951
06-03-2008, 17:38
It's a 12 month rolling contract.
Or it was, anyway.
Do we know exactly where we stand after the South Korea conference?
Wolv3nsam
06-03-2008, 17:39
I wrote but got a "standard" reply from some PR girl.
Jez Moxey?
HIGHLANDER
06-03-2008, 21:00
I wrote but got a "standard" reply from some PR girl. Most of the points made in my letter were not even addressed and the standard letter addressed points that I had not raised. Better not to reply at all than to do this.
Snap. One of those letters arrived at HIGHLANDER Towers this morning.
It's a 12 month rolling contract.
Within the three year rolling plan?
