kevin kyle wins fans over

[SsgWolf]

so says the sunderland sycophant, is he right? lets find out…

[SOUTHBANK_BULLY]

Kyle played well tonight i thought , won most hoofed headers up to him

[SsgWolf]

who was hoofing headers up to him?

[Hawkins discuss]

All of Em

[SsgWolf]

well? are you won over? i think it was lunacy. this is borne out by his hobby tally which is approaching frankowski like proportions and his shocking all round play .

[NOKASPLACE]

Kyle was Ok - did what was asked of him and never stopped trying.

Unfortunately he his a very average mid second division player - as is our team at the moment. Wolves have done nothing over the past few weeks to suggest we are going to make the play offs and to be honest I dont want us to.

We need another year to build, gel and sort ourselves out - going up with this team would be suicide and could see us eventually follow Forest and Leeds down the league again as we would have to spend a fortune with no guarantee of sustaining a premier league berth

[Arthur Sixpence]

For such a sturdy fellow he went to ground rather easily i thought!

[JR's Boots]

He was dismal. Fell over a lot, fouled a lot, trod on the ball and swung one beautiful volley to the Southampton winger.

Get rid.

[Moira Stewart]

I think Kyle was average, my biggest problem with him is not his own perforamnce but the affect he has on other players who just punt lazy long balls forward towards him, problem is as big as he is our players can't even find him most of the time.

It was a bad move signing him which I think ultimately will cost Mick his job. I am all for him coming on when we're chasing a game giving us a different option but with him starting it just encourages negative football as last night showed, as Mick says though we're better than that although I'm beginning to wonder if we really are.

[ROVERT47]

I think Kyle was average, my biggest problem with him is not his own perforamnce but the affect he has on other players who just punt lazy long balls forward towards him, problem is as big as he is our players can't even find him most of the time.

It was a bad move signing him which I think ultimately will cost Mick his job. I am all for him coming on when we're chasing a game giving us a different option but with him starting it just encourages negative football as last night showed, as Mick says though we're better than that although I'm beginning to wonder if we really are.

I tend to agree,i think kyle is doing what is asked of him.
The problem i see is that the Manager is desperate to try and find a style of play to kick off a winning formula.
Unfortunately everything he tries does not seem to work,although you could argue his away from home tactics have worked of late.

[wolvesman]

Kyle was Ok - did what was asked of him and never stopped trying.


To my surprise I have to agree.
With SEB they looked a decent pair upfront at this level of football.
Pity about the rest, with the exception of perhaps Breen.
You would have fancied a Sunday League side against us and Saints combined for most of last night.

[HIGHLANDER]

Wolves have done nothing over the past few weeks to suggest we are going to make the play offs Agree

and to be honest I dont want us to.Don't agree.

If a miracle was to happen and we were to get promoted this season I don't think it would be such a bad thing. We would get murdered week in-week out in the premier, but we would be able to come back down to the Championship £60m richer. Purely for the money alone it's worth getting promoted.

[arthur williams]

Micks lost it, he promotes Kyle to the starting line up on the basis of him coming on late into a game and changing things about. Thats what he should be used for, not starting ahead of Keoogh, Freddie or Bothroyd.

[Dewsburywolf]

Micks lost it, he promotes Kyle to the starting line up on the basis of him coming on late into a game and changing things about. Thats what he should be used for


Agree entirely and last night only served to prove the point. I was applauding his efforts last night but when he went off we started to play FOOTBALL.

Spin the game the other way round and we would (probably) have won the game comfortably. And if we weren't, bring him on to change things round. Like what's happened in the two previous games. Coincidence??

[RichRalph]

I understand what MM is saying when he says Kyle came with "negative equity". We did all have preconceptions about Kyle, possibly from what Coventry fans had said and possibly from what we had previously seen of him.

However, from last night's game, no Coventry fan had previously told us "nuggets" about Kyle's shot into the side netting from all of 6 yards, his appalling misguided, volleyed pass to the Saints winger whilst our full back was attacking or how he keeps falling over like a deck of cards trying to get free kick (he embarrasses himself doing this).

In Kyle's defence, he made a few good "flick-ons" and held the ball up well on occasions. His goal at Palace was very good (however, I suspect that was a one-off rather than something he is capable of regularly - his past record would support that - as, I'm sure will future performances, although I hope I'm wrong).

When he went off the tempo ws immediately lifted, which was great for the entertainment factor. "Five-minute-Freddy" and Keogh have more pace and skill. Unfortunately, this also lifted Southampton's tempo and then exposed how poor we are at the back.

Kyle's best performances have been from the bench. Mick, its plain and simple. Kyle is Sub at best. IMO.

[Winelord]

I agree that KK is doing what's asked of him, and doing OK, but tactically this isn't working, and it was clear last night that when we started passing the ball properly, we were opening So'ton apart.
It was also clear that KK was being fouled almost constantly by the Saints defenders- held down, pulled back, shirt pulled. Referee was dire, too.

[Linwolf]

I think Kyle was average, my biggest problem with him is not his own perforamnce but the affect he has on other players who just punt lazy long balls forward towards him, problem is as big as he is our players can't even find him most of the time.

Agree, although I thought he did very well at what he was obviously asked to do. My issue, like you, is the style of play his inclusion dictates. I for one don't want to watch that style of football, if I did I'd go and watch Bolton or Stoke.

[Wolv3nsam]

I'd rather have SEB and Keogh upfront any day of the week, the pair of them linked up well once Keogh came on. Then again we're talking about a man who can't see that Collins is $$$$ yet the other 21,000 at Molineux last night could.

[SsgWolf]

so it seems the general feeling is that while he is utterly useless, this is actually better than we thought he would be?

meanwhile charlton have signed scott sinclair and leroy lita...

mm and his useless sunderland rejects simply have to go before they fritter this latest investment on useless mackems who are five years past their sell by date.

the fact that he thinks kk is winning the fans over shows just out of touch with reality he has become.

[Essex Wolf]

Kyle is okay but nothing more and he should not have started the game but it now almost seems par for the course that Micks mates get a guaranteed turn out.

[Phys Ed Wolf]

To be fair, he said he would thrive on the crosses that would come his way. I can only remember one cross that was any where near him, and that was comfortably taken by the keeper, and that cross came from our left back! As has been said time and time again, we can't judge ANY of our forwards until the approach play is sorted out. Jarvis is very short of match practice, and it showed, and Elliott is not a wide midfielder.
Felt a little sorry for Kyle to be honest.

[goldeneyed]

Any player should be given a chance. But KK is a very limited player with an atrocious goal scoring record. He is ok on loan as a player to bring off the bench in the last 10 minutes. But MM now sees him as a starter when there are far more talented players available who are wasting away.

KK's presence inevitably encourages the hoof and as everyone knows (apart from MM) that kind of one dimensional strategy is doomed to failure and bores the pants off supporters. You can bet your bottom dollar MM will sign him (Coventry will not believe their luck) in the summer. If he is the future of Wolves then there will be quite rightly a mass migration to the exits. Time for Mr Morgan to wake up to the facts.

Continuity is good but only when you have a manager who knows what he is doing. MM's faults have been cruelly exposed after a bright start. We need a manager with intelligence and who is willing to give skilful players a role. Jean Tigana for me.

[Still Proud]

I know we joke about the Sunderland connection but going through the squad on Tuesday to pass the time the list now reads:
Kyle
Breen
Collins
Gray
Craddock
Elliott

All regular first teamers and all of them deemed not good enough for the Prem by the not so world beating Mackems.

And they are blocking the path of promising players who we should right now be blooding and testing in prep for any eventual promotion. Not getting in at their expense are:
Little
Davies (even when fit)
Gleeson
Jones
Gobern (even when fit)
Eastwood
Gibson
Collins
Bennett

I know in their preferred position there's not an exact match but then the ex-Sunderland boys play everywhere.

If we don't give them a chance now will we ever know if they're up to it? Que next season - more journeymen pushing them further down the pecking order and they'll slip away to the lower leagues to rebuild their careers - before you say it I know some won't be good enough but at least lets give them a try.

[Dewsburywolf]

Agree with most of your Sunderland thing except Craddock. Certainly agree re the Academy graduates but I also have to say throwing them in now mightn't be a good idea whilst there's still a minute chance of the Play Offs. Maybe for the Scunthorpe game????

[OCD Wolf]

6 players and a manager from the worst side to 'grace' the Premiership. Things are bad.

[Still Proud]

Agree with most of your Sunderland thing except Craddock. Certainly agree re the Academy graduates but I also have to say throwing them in now mightn't be a good idea whilst there's still a minute chance of the Play Offs. Maybe for the Scunthorpe game????

Yeah but some of these Academy Grads are in their early 20's. Clinging on to faint outside hopes of promotion this year will stifle development opportunities for next season - take the bull by the horns now - can they really be any worse?

be safe and be average be brave and who knows - We've been average far too long know so I'd like to take a risk.

Otherwise expect more of the same next season - whoever is in charge

[jackfieldwolf]

Let's put things in perspective here regarding Kyle. I have posted on another thread the somewhat inappropriate use of the term 'hoofball'

Kyle is a distinctively average player, certainly not worth a full 90 minutes, or at least based on what I've seen of him of him so far.

If anything Kyle was starved of this so called 'hoofball' against the Saints. This was down to the shocking inovation of our playmakers, who either gave the ball away cheaply, passed back, or played the safe simple pass, and certainly did not put any meaningful 'hoofed' crosses towards Kyle, who when the rare opportunity arose for him to launch his considerable frame towards a 'hoof' or cross, invariably fell in a heap, as a result of a powder puff challenge or invariably misdirected his header. Kyle was not the worst player on show against Southampton, but he certainly didn't make much of the scraps thrown his way.

By comparison, Keogh's introduction provided a more meaningful threat albeit mainly on the right flank, but Keogh's all action display almost garuantees a certain amount of inovation.

The Second goal 'move' was awesome in its simplicity, a probing [almost over hit ball from I think Potter] releasing Elokobi who did well to prevent the ball going out for a goal kick, hitting a first time wickedly curling cross, which was met by the head of Keogh back peddling into the path of SEB who swivelled on a sixpence to dispatch the ball past the despairing goalie.

Kyle for me has not displayed anything to suggest anything other than a sub cameo.

[John]

invariably fell in a heap, as a result of a powder puff challenge.
He spent most of the first half unable to jump as the Southampton player, often Vignal (blond hair???) had handfuls of his shirt. The linesman must have seen it, because I did. He never raised his flag once.

[Netherton Wolf]

He spent most of the first half unable to jump as the Southampton player, often Vignal (blond hair???) had handfuls of his shirt. The linesman must have seen it, because I did. He never raised his flag once.

I sit in the SB upper, right in the with the penalty spot and every time Kyle jumped for a ball he was literally ripping the shirt off his back, god only knows how the linesman didn't see any of them!

[jackfieldwolf]

Netherton, and John, point taken especially from my vantage point in the SBU J3, yet for such a powerful looking hulk, I suspect there is probably a 'playing for the foul dimention' at play in Kyle's game, because if your shirt is being tugged, as a striker your probably better attempting to 'jump' for the ball to illustrate the tug as opposed to falling easily back into the defender hoping the ref will blow for a foul.

[JR's Boots]

I sit in the SB upper, right in the with the penalty spot and every time Kyle jumped for a ball he was literally ripping the shirt off his back, god only knows how the linesman didn't see any of them!

You maybe right John but what a prehistoric approach to a game. Kyle can't run, pass, find space or any other of the requisites required to perform the role of a footballer.

We will never get promotion with players or football like that. More importantly no-one wants to watch the dark ages stuff.

A Kyle/McCarthy ticket will empty Molineux faster than a bomb scare or dodgy sandwich.

[Netherton Wolf]

Netherton, and John, point taken especially from my vantage point in the SBU J3, yet for such a powerful looking hulk, I suspect there is probably a 'playing for the foul dimention' at play in Kyle's game, because if your shirt is being tugged, as a striker your probably better attempting to 'jump' for the ball to illustrate the tug as opposed to falling easily back into the defender hoping the ref will blow for a foul.

To be fair to him he was jumping but being pulled back down!

[Wolv3nsam]

Is this the same Kevin Kyle that was ironically cheered off when he got substituted on Tuesday night?

[Winelord]

He contributed more than the other withdrawn players (Elliott & Henry) put together.

[Wolv3nsam]

He contributed more than the other withdrawn players (Elliott & Henry) put together.

That's true, but Henry has been like that for ages.