View Full Version : Calling Chris Coleman!
We need you now.
I'm actually hoping that Cardiff run riot now (in the footballing sense ;) and hopefully Mick gets his marching orders after the match.
I have to say I'm beginning to have my doubts for the first time. I would imagine Morgan will be having a few today as well. Very disappointing.
For me the cardinal sin is not having replacements for our injured players. We're back to the square peg syndrome.
Wolv3nsam
16-02-2008, 15:47
There's only one Chris Coleman...
Oxford Wolf
16-02-2008, 15:48
Quite surprised it took over half an hour for someone to start a thread with some sort of reference to MM out.
Do you genuinely think Coleman is the answer?
Stewarton Wolf
16-02-2008, 15:48
I have to say I'm beginning to have my doubts for the first time. I would imagine Morgan will be having a few today as well. Very disappointing.
For me the cardinal sin is not having replacements for our injured players. We're back to the square peg syndrome.
:D:D:D
The_Blade
16-02-2008, 15:51
Coleman???
Oldgold Wolfcub
16-02-2008, 16:00
I have to say I'm beginning to have my doubts for the first time. I would imagine Morgan will be having a few today as well. Very disappointing.
For me the cardinal sin is not having replacements for our injured players. We're back to the square peg syndrome.
Paul good to see you stepping out of the shower. Cup of coffee and you could see the reality.
we love jez moxey
16-02-2008, 16:02
Bloody hell, are you joking? Mind you i'd rather have an untrained monkey than mad mick
It's Mixu Paatelainen
16-02-2008, 16:05
Coleman is the answer, not Ince et al.
Pengwern
16-02-2008, 16:06
Ah! Diddums wants some more sweeties to make him stop crying!
Get real - 2 back-from-injury CBs had to be drafted in. 4 new signings + Dan Jones ineligible, so no wingers able to play due to injuries, hence 4-3-3 which the players have no practice at playing. That's why we are losing and playing poorly.
Paul good to see you stepping out of the shower. Cup of coffee and you could see the reality.
For me, It's getting to the point where if we haven't got nothing to play for what's the point of continuing with Mick McCarthy? We'd be nothing but a lame duck.
I can't see the economics of the club getting any better whilst the fans are disenchanted.
For me if we do lose today the only way MM will survive is by going on a run in the league. I can't see that happening whilst we don't have any wingers. Short-Term It's looking quite bleak.
Hopefully Morgan's long-term plan fares a bit better.
Good tactician--as per Mourinho's comments
Very succesful at Fulham in a difficult working environment.
Young, and ex international defender
Experience of managing abroad
Likes his teams to play progressive passing football on the decks.
Ideal man imo
De Wolfs Mullet
16-02-2008, 16:11
Coleman is a plank.
I'd rather have Alex Rae who's doing a good job at Dundee
Wolv3nsam
16-02-2008, 16:12
Get real - 2 back-from-injury CBs had to be drafted in. 4 new signings + Dan Jones ineligible, so no wingers able to play due to injuries, hence 4-3-3 which the players have no practice at playing. That's why we are losing and playing poorly.
Well if Mick bought some wingers in the summer...
Woburn Wolf
16-02-2008, 16:16
Coleman didn't do a bad job at Fulham but it was interesting how Al Fayed would not give him any money to spend on team strengthening and then gave a pot load to Lawrie Sanchez.
Hebburn Wolves
16-02-2008, 16:16
Taken from the E&S
http://www.expressandstar.com/2008/02/16/blame-wolves-players-kightly/
Supporters have been expressing their dissatisfaction towards manager Mick McCarthy in numbers all week, following the goalless draw with Blackpool, but Kightly believes that it is those who pull on the old gold and black that should be the recipients of any anger.
“I understand their frustration,” Kightly said.
“But I think it’s not the manager that they should be frustrated with, I think it’s the players if I’m honest.
“I’m a player and I’ll take any criticism from them as well if I’m not doing my job.”
Kightly is firmly in support of his under-fire boss and believes that Wolves are unlikely to find anyone better qualified to do the job than McCarthy.
“I think Mick McCarthy is a top manager in this league,” Kightly said.
“I don’t think you’re going to get any better and I think every single player in our squad would say that.”
“Maybe some that are a bit bitter that they aren’t playing might say different, but deep down they know that he’s a top manager and a top man and what he’s done for this club already has been unbelievable.”
He points to the fact that Wolves’ play-off finish last season was largely unexpected, given the size of the task McCarthy inherited and because of that expectations have risen.
“We were tipped to go down last season and finishing fifth, it’s an unbelievable achievement,” he said.
“If he hadn’t have done that and say we’d finished 12th last season, he wouldn’t be under the pressure he’s under now, so he’s a little bit of a victim of his own success.”
I think there are two points to consider here:
One, Mick's going nowhere, like it or not.
Two, Why on earth Coelman? He was average with a lot of money to spend for Fulham and then disgraced himself in Spain.
What exactly makes you think he could do a good job for Wolves.
This whole thing is simply unreasonable anti Mick Mcarthy rhetoric.
I for one didn't judge Bill McGarry, Sammy Chung, John Barnwell, Graham Taylor, Graham Hawkins, Graham Turner, Dave Jones, Marck mcGhee et al on one and a bit seasons and I fail to see any reason for doing so now.
Black Suit
16-02-2008, 16:28
I would prefer a foreign accent, so that I can't understand the jabber he'll come out with. Italian, Spanish, or even French, though I may understand a little.
Stewarton Wolf
16-02-2008, 16:29
Taken from the E&S
http://www.expressandstar.com/2008/02/16/blame-wolves-players-kightly/
Supporters have been expressing their dissatisfaction towards manager Mick McCarthy in numbers all week, following the goalless draw with Blackpool, but Kightly believes that it is those who pull on the old gold and black that should be the recipients of any anger.
“I understand their frustration,” Kightly said.
“But I think it’s not the manager that they should be frustrated with, I think it’s the players if I’m honest.
“I’m a player and I’ll take any criticism from them as well if I’m not doing my job.”
Kightly is firmly in support of his under-fire boss and believes that Wolves are unlikely to find anyone better qualified to do the job than McCarthy.
“I think Mick McCarthy is a top manager in this league,” Kightly said.
“I don’t think you’re going to get any better and I think every single player in our squad would say that.”
“Maybe some that are a bit bitter that they aren’t playing might say different, but deep down they know that he’s a top manager and a top man and what he’s done for this club already has been unbelievable.”
He points to the fact that Wolves’ play-off finish last season was largely unexpected, given the size of the task McCarthy inherited and because of that expectations have risen.
“We were tipped to go down last season and finishing fifth, it’s an unbelievable achievement,” he said.
“If he hadn’t have done that and say we’d finished 12th last season, he wouldn’t be under the pressure he’s under now, so he’s a little bit of a victim of his own success.”
Sorry Mr Kightly - Your Badly Wrong
I think there are two points to consider here:
One, Mick's going nowhere, like it or not.
Two, Why on earth Coelman? He was average with a lot of money to spend for Fulham and then disgraced himself in Spain.
Rubbish on the 2nd point, and hopefully the 1st will be rubbish as well.
Coleman, favourite to get the sack, and Fulham favourites to be relegated-he took them to a final 9th place in the PL.
He was popular with the Basque crowd, but left when a new President came in.
Pengwern
16-02-2008, 16:32
Well if Mick bought some wingers in the summer...
Jarvis,Matthew.
Sorry Mr Kightly - Your Badly Wrong
Agreed, nice lad and natural to back a manager who bought you to the club, but he's sadly wrong.
Anyway, Kightly will probably bugger off to the PL soon :(
Wolv3nsam
16-02-2008, 16:33
Jarvis,Matthew.
One left winger, oh wow! Tell me, where is Matthew Jarvis right now? Why is there no cover for said Matthew Jarvis? Why was Mr. Daniel Jones allowed to play in the FA Cup?
Rubbish on the 2nd point, and hopefully the 1st will be rubbish as well.
Coleman, favourite to get the sack, and Fulham favourites to be relegated-he took them to a final 9th place in the PL.
He was popular with the Basque crowd, but left when a new President came in.
Rubbish??
He did indeed take them to 9th, then 13th then 12th then 16th, it's very easy to use statistics selectively to back up an obviously ridiculous argument, you really shouldn't do so.
After Fayed sold his best players and didnt give him any money!
Stewarton Wolf
16-02-2008, 16:47
Agreed, nice lad and natural to back a manager who bought you to the club, but he's sadly wrong.
Anyway, Kightly will probably bugger off to the PL soon :(
He wont, he's not good enough.
After Fayed sold his best players and didnt give him any money!
If by his best players you mean Saha, he was determined to sign for Man Utd - no one could have stopped him, and I don't remember any other good players they sold.
jaspa888
16-02-2008, 16:48
Jarvis,Matthew.
If MM is so rigid with a 442, then the wingers are key to success as we can now see.
Jarvis was signed as a first choice LW. Where is the decent cover for Kites and Jarvis?
supergrover
16-02-2008, 17:00
have to say even my mate, who hates changing managers and even wanted Hoddle to stay, reckons MM only has one more game to save his job
Taffywolf
16-02-2008, 17:01
Do you genuinely think Coleman is the answer?
Can't see how he could do a worse job than Mick. Fulham are far worse without him.
wolfyjoe
16-02-2008, 17:03
Ah! Diddums wants some more sweeties to make him stop crying!
Get real - 2 back-from-injury CBs had to be drafted in. 4 new signings + Dan Jones ineligible, so no wingers able to play due to injuries, hence 4-3-3 which the players have no practice at playing. That's why we are losing and playing poorly.
We're playing poorly and losing most weeks.. Fancy explaining that?
The_Blade
16-02-2008, 17:04
Look who's sniffing... surely not!
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11688_3153023,00.html
While mad micks performance is a disgrace, the last thing we need is an even worse manager like coleman
Wolv3nsam
16-02-2008, 17:04
Look who's sniffing... surely not!
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11688_3153023,00.html
Good thing SJH isn't in charge.
Wolv3nsam
16-02-2008, 17:05
While mad micks performance is a disgrace, the last thing we need is an even worse manager like coleman
How is Coleman worse than the current idiot?
brummywolf
16-02-2008, 17:07
Look who's sniffing... surely not!
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11688_3153023,00.html
I would happily take either of Coleman, McLaren or Allardyce. Each option is extremely unlikely though.
Wolv3nsam
16-02-2008, 17:10
I would happily take either of Coleman, McLaren or Allardyce. Each option is extremely unlikely though.
I would say..
Coleman quite likely, McClaren likely, Allardyce extremely unlikely, Ince very likely.
It is not totally unexpected that McCarthy the one trick pony has eventually been found out but please no Coleman or Allardyce. I dont want anybody except Paul Ince, who should have been appointed after Hoddle. Ince is the right man for the right job. We are not much bigger than MK Dons and not some mythical beast that has expected Premiership standing.
Taffywolf
16-02-2008, 17:13
While mad micks performance is a disgrace, the last thing we need is an even worse manager like coleman
Please explain your thinking. Coleman was able to keep a club in the premiership on a very small budget where as Mick's sunderland were the lowest points scorers in the history of the prem league..
Firstly Kightly should learn to keep his gob shut. He doesnt even have a full season of football under his belt in the football league so how would he know what consitutes A good manager at this level. Never mind the best manager were likley to get.
Secondly if we end up with Mclaren thats it for me! The bloke is a charlatan much like Venables and Robson (Bryan). Have we not learned from Hoddle and Turner that ex England managers should be avoided... perhaps it should be taken a step further, EX-INTERNATIONAL MANAGERS!!!! this clueless professional Yorkshire Clown (and thats coming from a Bradford Lad) needs to be shown the door.
The only thing thats gonna save us from the drop this season is a reasonable start to the campaign. Exrapolate current form over a season and were playing in League 1 next year!
Get your coat mick you plastic irishman
Hebburn Wolves
16-02-2008, 17:14
IMHO next manager would have to be "Big Sam"
De Wolfs Mullet
16-02-2008, 17:14
Another name I'd throw into the ring is Tony Adams. Okay he did nothing at Wycombe, but since then he's been all over the continent learning from other teams, and is doing a good job as Assistant Manager at Portsmouth coaching the team whilst 'arry is talking to agents or being interviewed by the rozzers. Besides he's chums with Arsene Wenger so we may get some decent young loan signings in.
Another name I'd throw into the ring is Tony Adams. Okay he did nothing at Wycombe, but since then he's been all over the continent learning from other teams, and is doing a good job as Assistant Manager at Portsmouth coaching the team whilst 'arry is talking to agents or being interviewed by the rozzers. Besides he's chums with Arsene Wenger so we may get some decent young loan signings in.
Agreed.
We need a modern, forward thinking coach.
Like Coleman, Adams has also coached abroad.
jaspa888
16-02-2008, 17:25
I would like to see someone like Martinez from Swansea.
I have seen them play twice this season, and they reminded me of Reading a couple of seasons ago in the way that they are so much better than any other team in that division. Fantastic football, and good at the back too.
Taffywolf
16-02-2008, 17:27
The more I think about it the more I like the name Coleman. He change the fortunes of Real Sociedad in his short spell there and it was only politics that made him leave. Fulham played good passing football under him..
And he's welsh!!
Have we ever had a welsh manager before?????
GoldenHorseshoe
16-02-2008, 17:28
It is not totally unexpected that McCarthy the one trick pony has eventually been found out but please no Coleman or Allardyce. I dont want anybody except Paul Ince, who should have been appointed after Hoddle. Ince is the right man for the right job. We are not much bigger than MK Dons and not some mythical beast that has expected Premiership standing.
Me too!
A wanderer from Bristol
16-02-2008, 17:29
Jarvis,Matthew.
DO ou really believe that we have enough cover on the wings? We have only 3 wingers (all injured) and 8 strikers. A lopsided squad that MM has not addressed, he has just kept signing forwards without recgnising tha it is lack of width that has been the real problem for the lack of goals.
How man times have we been able to play 2 genuine wingers at the same time this season? Answer = 0. Reason? inadequate cover. these are basics and for this alone MM must go!
gordonchas
16-02-2008, 18:44
The more I think about it the more I like the name Coleman. He change the fortunes of Real Sociedad in his short spell there and it was only politics that made him leave. Fulham played good passing football under him..
And he's welsh!!
Have we ever had a welsh manager before?????
Well. Taffy, I'm no great follower of Real Sociedad and so I stand to be corrected, but I hardly think Chris Coleman's tenure in San Sebastian can be described as a roaring success.
It does seem that most fans liked him, and thought he had their side playing as a team. However, although the Spanish 2nd Division includes some teams most British fans would have heard of, like Malaga and Celta Vigo, Real Sociedad are by some way the biggest club in the league.
When Coleman arrived he had at his disposal 30 1st team professionals to choose from, which was added to by some other signings. The club has, by far and away, the largest playing budget in the league.
To put that in perspective, Numancia, who are currently top of that league and 10 points ahead of Real, have a budget ONE QUARTER of that size. Even Malaga's budget is a third of Real Sociedad's.
Winning 8 games out of 20 in charge I wouldn't class as a massive change round in fortunes.
On the other hand, he has a good record in saving a top flight club from relegation, but no experience of a promotion charge. Surely a club like Wolves, if it is considering a change of manager, should be looking for someone who has acheived promotion from the CCC before?
HIGHLANDER
16-02-2008, 18:55
I have to say I'm beginning to have my doubts for the first time. I would imagine Morgan will be having a few today as well. Very disappointing.
For me the cardinal sin is not having replacements for our injured players. We're back to the square peg syndrome.
http://www.molineuxmix.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?p=513941#post513941
What are you like?
johnybig32
16-02-2008, 19:19
I said before, we only have Ex-England managers who are looking for a "big club" to get back into management. McClown would be it.
I would LOVE Chris Coleman here, how people are questionning him is beyond me. Look at what he did with Fulham, look at where they are now..
De Wolfs Mullet
16-02-2008, 19:19
I would like to see someone like Martinez from Swansea.
I have seen them play twice this season, and they reminded me of Reading a couple of seasons ago in the way that they are so much better than any other team in that division. Fantastic football, and good at the back too.
That would be another good call. Has to be better than the expensive, been there, done it before, can't do it again flops we've had up to now.
johnybig32
16-02-2008, 19:23
Why leave a club going in the right direction to join a team going in the wrong direction??
WERENOTABIGCLUB
Wolv3nsam
16-02-2008, 19:27
For the moment we are in a higher division though.
johnybig32
16-02-2008, 19:30
We will be in the same division come August. The football they are playing will be of a much better quality then us...
don't be surprised to see paul simpson in the running should MM go, he was talked of very highly and was said to be someone they would have appointed if available a the time of MM's signing.
my choice would stilll be tigana or if a possible poach of gary johnson even though i think that chance went ages ago. however if coleman continued in the style set by tigana at fulham i would be happy to see him here.
goldeneyed
16-02-2008, 19:57
I think we need to look abroad but ideally with someone who already has experience of this league. That is why I would go for Jean Tigana who's Fulham promotion team played some fantastic football. He would have great continental contacts and might get this club out of its overall rut with some fresh ideas.
Allardyce has by far the best qualifications out of the UK mob but coming off the back of failure at Newcastle is not ideal and his football philosophy is a bit dodgy, if effective. Coleman is a candidate but his track record is not that great and his Spanish sojourn was too short to really judge it a success or otherwise.
Tigana has been tipped for the Ireland job and was mentioned re the Leicester job before Holloway got it. He was very successful with Beskitas in Turkey up to 2007 where they won the cup for the first time in eight years. FAR BETTER candidate than Coleman imv but I doubt that our club would have the imagination to appoint him. However, let's get a TIGANA bandwagon going if MM leaves. Future pollsters please note his name when the candidates are trotted out.
jaspa888
16-02-2008, 20:02
Why leave a club going in the right direction to join a team going in the wrong direction??
WERENOTABIGCLUB
MONEY, PRESTIGE, PROFILE
Hereford Wolf
16-02-2008, 20:11
Good tactician--as per Mourinho's comments
Very succesful at Fulham in a difficult working environment.
Young, and ex international defender
Experience of managing abroad
Likes his teams to play progressive passing football on the decks.
Ideal man imo
And he won...?
yateleywolf
16-02-2008, 20:41
Knowing some people at Fulham i was told that he was shown the door as the training became non-existant and he partied too much.
But we could do alot worst. He had to sell quality players like Boa Morte; Steed Malbraque and Van der Sar and kept Fulham up which was no mean feat as well as play some good football.
Perhaps the policy of buying players that are `young and hungry` should be used for our choice of manager. I would have no problems with either Coleman or Ince.
brummywolf
16-02-2008, 20:43
Didn't he pay £11.5m for Steve Marlet? :eek:
Oops wrong thread- meant for the Tigana thread
ErnieTheMilk
16-02-2008, 21:02
What about Billy Davies? He's got a great pedigree at this level.
Personally and I can't think I'd ever say this, if Mick is likely to go, which I can't think he will I would hope we would go all out for Big Sam, look at what he did for Bolton over time. Top bloke in my humble opinion!
Woburn Wolf
16-02-2008, 21:13
It is not totally unexpected that McCarthy the one trick pony has eventually been found out but please no Coleman or Allardyce. I dont want anybody except Paul Ince, who should have been appointed after Hoddle. Ince is the right man for the right job. We are not much bigger than MK Dons and not some mythical beast that has expected Premiership standing.
Like you i desperately wanted Paul Ince to be appointed after Hoddle, mainly because I thought he was the kick up the backside the club badly needed, particularly given the fact that SJH had effectively pulled the plug on funding. Morgan's arrival with a warchest has potentially opened up lower risk options for the club, like Big Sam, but despite the fact there is some risk my first choice would still be Incey followed by Allardyce.
trybalwolf
16-02-2008, 21:27
If we are talking up and coming and/or risk taking then consider Nigel Clough at Burton and Fergie's Darren at Posh (an ex-wolves player) both are proving to be excellent motivators and producers of effective teams - something we woefully lack. Ok I know that most here would consider Wolves to be bigger than either but the next generation of top managers have to come from somewhere and why should they not make their breakthrough at WWFC
Keith Downing is who we need. He knows the mentality of us wolves fans, he knows what we expect from our teams. He has done a brilliant job in a short time at cheltenham, they were dead and buried when he took over, now they have a good chance of avoiding the drop. He is ideal for the wolves job imo.
Munro Munro
17-02-2008, 09:38
Remember when we were in the prem, Fulham under Coleman were one of the worst sides that came to Molineux, they had no fight or spirit
Woburn Wolf
17-02-2008, 10:06
If we are talking up and coming and/or risk taking then consider Nigel Clough at Burton and Fergie's Darren at Posh (an ex-wolves player) both are proving to be excellent motivators and producers of effective teams - something we woefully lack. Ok I know that most here would consider Wolves to be bigger than either but the next generation of top managers have to come from somewhere and why should they not make their breakthrough at WWFC
Clough has done bugger all at Burton. Ferguson is doing a good job at Peterboro and is another potentail "up and coming" manager. One for the future
Woburn Wolf
17-02-2008, 10:08
Keith Downing is who we need. He knows the mentality of us wolves fans, he knows what we expect from our teams. He has done a brilliant job in a short time at cheltenham, they were dead and buried when he took over, now they have a good chance of avoiding the drop. He is ideal for the wolves job imo.
I like Keith Downing and was sorry when he left but I see him more as a number 2 at this time at Wolves.
wolfie smith
17-02-2008, 10:27
i just want someone who will have 100% of the fans behind them, someone without baggage, someone with passion and a desire to attack, a good tactician with knowledge of the premiership and a track record of promotion to it. shame he doesnt exist:rolleyes:
trybalwolf
17-02-2008, 14:04
Clough has done bugger all at Burton. Ferguson is doing a good job at Peterboro and is another potentail "up and coming" manager. One for the future
Actually Burton are pushing for automatic promotion from conference so hardly bugger all ;)
brummywolf
17-02-2008, 14:08
Clough has done bugger all at Burton.
That's completely wrong. However, it's obvious that Clough is more than happy at Burton and won't ever leave.
Hebburn Wolves
17-02-2008, 17:25
Listening to Talksport this morning while i was at work and they mentioned wolves for a brief while saying that alot of it is to do with the club overachieving last season where many thought Wolves were in for a relagation battle but made the play offs so this season the expectation may have been too high.
http://www.molineuxmix.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?p=513941#post513941
What are you like?
How many times do you want to keep putting up that post? You're worse than the ####### wife. The Molineux mix number 1 police officer.
I swear that's the 3rd time you've trawled the site for this same post.
ROVERT47
18-02-2008, 10:06
Coleman going to Coventry.
jaspa888
18-02-2008, 10:10
How many times do you want to keep putting up that post? You're worse than the ####### wife. The Molineux mix number 1 police officer.
I swear that's the 3rd time you've trawled the site for this same post.
Perhaps he keeps reposting because you still havent answered his original point yet?
The_Blade
18-02-2008, 10:11
Coleman going to Coventry.
Good.
IrchyWolf
18-02-2008, 11:20
Yes. BBC reporting it here http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/coventry_city/7250422.stm
Munro Munro
18-02-2008, 11:24
All of these managers Davies, Dowie, Robson, etc are getting through Championship clubs like no business, are they really going to give us anything different to the clubs they have been at. If we are to make a change i hope Mr Morgan has got something lined up with his Liverpool connections and standards, Maybe Sammy Lee as coach with a Dalgliesh or Rush
Winelord
18-02-2008, 14:19
Young, and ex international defender
Experience of managing abroad
MM was an international defender, too.
CC's experience of managing abroad seemed to consist of going out on the lash & not bothering to turn up at work on time. Coventry are welcome to him.
purplepault69
18-02-2008, 14:23
MM was an international defender, too.
CC's experience of managing abroad seemed to consist of going out on the lash & not bothering to turn up at work on time. Coventry are welcome to him.
And then blaming his no show on his washing machine--he just oozes class,Coventry are indeed welcome to him.