Cardiff FA Cup match thread

[BlahBlah]

Haven't heard Bothroyd mentioned...thought it was about time.


1602: PLAYER RATER
Cardiff v Wolves
High - Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink on 9. Low - Jay Bothroyd on 3

[GoldenHorseshoe]

:rolleyes:Hennessey saves one

[Exile Wolf]

sat here in tenerife looking at at the bay over the rocks...listening to a complete and utter shambles again...the kyle signing is a mystery....and could see mick sacked.
o my god i can wait for the flight back tomorrow night and the 220 mile round trip on tuesday night v scunthorpe, if we lose he could really get the bullet !
the fans may turn....a la sheffield united and robson....

Flying out there in a couple of weeks what's the weather like?

[Wolv3nsam]

Hennessey saves the day. Or at least saves further embarassment

[Rocky_Balllboa]

Hennessesy saves us again

2 corners in rownow to them

[GoldenHorseshoe]

Do we have a central defence today?

[Wolv3nsam]

Bothroyd is out drifting again.

[Grizzled Wolf]

You still here? I thought you would be in the vegetable section by now.;)

We are all in the veggy section...sucking lemons!!

I told the wife you said I was a puff for going shopping with her..so she has gone off in a hissy fit and now she won't speak to me for a week...thanks for that mate!!

[Wolv3nsam]

Capaldi.. isn't that the guy that turned us down?

[Papper]

just opened a nice rose...:rolleyes:

Oliver & Greg's Chenin Blanc - very lively :)

[Wolv3nsam]

I feel sorry for the Wolves supporters in the Cardiff end!

[5150]

Hennessesy saves us again

2 corners in rownow to them

Cracking half time team talk then MM !!....FFS we need an early goal ,to at least make a game of it

[Wolv3nsam]

Hennessey saves us... again.

[Rocky_Balllboa]

Cov have man sent off

[brummywolf]

Midfield: Keogh, Henry, Potter, Bothroyd

$$$$test midfield possible.

So depressing. No creativity in midfield means the strikers have to work harder to carve out chances- can anyone see Kyle pull something out of nowhere? A decent winger on loan in January would've sorted things- very poor decision from MM.

[5150]

I feel sorry for the Wolves supporters in the Cardiff end!


I think it is safe to say they would not have returned after the half time break !

[Oldgold Wolfcub]

Another save. Is Hennessey working alone to save not only goals but MM's job?

[Exile Wolf]

Charlie Nicholas telling us on Sky "Wolves are doing nothing"

[Rocky_Balllboa]

Pathetic is commentaters opinion of Wolves display

[Anglian Wolf]

is it me or does Froggatt (on 5Live Extra) have something against Wolves?

Froggy may well be telling it the way it is but I have to admit he has never shown any sign of affection for us in any of the commentary stints he has undertaken involving us.

Maybe he is overcompensating to try to show he's not biased or maybe he just feels nothing for us. That would be a shame cos I thought he did OK for us until his injury.

[GoldenHorseshoe]

We are all in the veggy section...sucking lemons!!

I told the wife you said I was a puff for going shopping with her..so she has gone off in a hissy fit and now she won't speak to me for a week...thanks for that mate!!

Book a nice restaurant for dinner tonight, usually works for me:)

[Rocky_Balllboa]

Eastwood yellow carded

[harriswolf]

This is so so poor

[Wolv3nsam]

Eastwood tries to lob the keeper.

[djackl]

Was that the messiah missing a chance?

[Anglian Wolf]

Did anyone hear the BBC commentator telling the story of the Cardiff based Wolves fan who has been forced to go all the way up to Wolvo to catch the coach so he could attend the match. Apparently the bus passed his house.

Did anyone else here the Cardiff fans chanting "Moxey, Moxey what's the score" after the second goal went in.

[northnorfolkwolf]

So sorry for Shewolf and all fans who fought the bureaucrats to end up watching this excuse for a football team.

[Wolv3nsam]

Liverpool 1 - 1 Barnsley

[Oldgold Wolfcub]

Charlie Nicholas telling us on Sky "Wolves are doing nothing"
Doesn't sound as if we are doing as well as that.:eek:

[Rocky_Balllboa]

Wolves players unable to pass to a team mate

[Evolution Wolf]

i hope Freddy becomes hero and scores a couple and flicks the Vs at Mad Mick

[Wolv3nsam]

See, the Cardiff players actually head it back to their goalkeeper..

[Anglian Wolf]

"This has been a decent game" they said "unless you are a Wolverhampton Wanderers fan as their team have been pretty awful"

Interesting definition of a "decent game"

[Wolv3nsam]

i hope Freddy becomes hero and scores a couple and flicks the Vs at Mad Mick

I said that a couple of pages ago. ;)

[purplepault69]

Is Jay still on the pitch ??

[5150]

And to top it all off , Ipswich are winning in that sought after 6 place spot !

[Wolv3nsam]

Hennessey saves us AGAIN.

[northnorfolkwolf]

See Charlton winning 2-0. That puts them 5th 10 pts above us. 6th is all that's left now. Sack MM NOW - we have nothing to lose.

[Grizzled Wolf]

Book a nice restaurant for dinner tonight, usually works for me:)

Done already...16oz steak waiting for me....

[dr cool]

Flying out there in a couple of weeks what's the weather like?

been nice all week, a little windy and one night of rain...22 degrees ....

better than the dross at ninian park...

sounds desperate there...

[Wolv3nsam]

Eastwood involved in everything.

[Wolv3nsam]

Cardiff fans shouting "Who the $$$$ing hell are you"... it's got that bad.

[A wanderer from Bristol]

elliot and gibson on for..................?

[peterwolf]

See Charlton winning 2-0. That puts them 5th 10 pts above us. 6th is all that's left now. Sack MM NOW - we have nothing to lose.

forget sixth place we have no hope as you need to add one more point
on the required total cos of our hopeless goal difference.:mad:

[Rocky_Balllboa]

Ipswich will be 7 points ahead in 6th, MM must go

[Wolv3nsam]

Gibson and Elliot coming on. Let's hope nobody gets injured.

[Stewarton Wolf]

7 Points and 15 Goals behind 6th Place. Bye Mick Season over in February...

[Wolv3nsam]

Kyle off... $$$$ing hell!

Foley off, Henry at RB.

[dr cool]

Is Jay still on the pitch ??

how can he be

. out of the 16 for 2 games an then straight back in....

drc

[UEAwolf]

damn, we dont get to see the dream team strike force of Kyle & Elliott

[purplepault69]

Elliot and Gibson on ---- Foley and Kyle off !

[5150]

Kyle off... $$$$ing hell!

Foley off, Henry at RB.

:eek:

[BlahBlah]

Elliot for Kyle.
"he's been pretty poor today".

Gibson for Foley.

[northnorfolkwolf]

Ipswich 2 up. Now 7pts above us in 6th and disappearing out of sight - AND out of Cup. Sack MM NOW

[Rocky_Balllboa]

we just had a shot!!

Elliot :)

[Wolv3nsam]

How are Naaarwich doing?

Nevermind losing 2-0 - at least we keep 12th place.

[Stewarton Wolf]

70 Minutes

2 Shots - 0 On Target

[SmokeyGB]

What we need is crowd to chant for MM out !!!!

Then and only then will Morgan take notice...No better time to do it than on a rival teams ground....Signs of humilation

[Rocky_Balllboa]

Albion 3-0

[JR's Boots]

Hopefully that will be the last time Kyle is allowed to wear a Wolves shirt

[Space Wolf]

Disturbance in the Wolves end.....terrific.

[Rocky_Balllboa]

Bothroyd booked

Trouble in stands

[5150]

Bothroyd booked

Trouble in stands

MM on his way then....if Morgan sees that !

[northnorfolkwolf]

We have no confidence passion or inspiration. If the players, as they say, want to keep MM they have done nothing to help the cause today. I think many of them will be happy to see him go.

[SmokeyGB]

Disturbance in the Wolves end.....terrific.


Must be the happy clappers trying to support MM and all Non belivers arguing against them.

[A wanderer from Bristol]

We're back and it ain't getting any better! trouble in the crowd at the wolves end... probably fans trying to leave early! Police making them stay and watch!

[Wolv3nsam]

I think many of them will be happy to see him go.

Especially Fred.

[Rocky_Balllboa]

Hennessey saves again

[JR's Boots]

Passion amongst the Wolves fan, none of the pitch

[Stewarton Wolf]

We're back and it ain't getting any better! trouble in the crowd at the wolves end... probably fans trying to leave early! Police making them stay and watch!

That's probably the reason...

[Evolution Wolf]

trouble subsided

[northnorfolkwolf]

If we're going to lose let's go down by 4 or 5 now. MM then MUST be on his way. Humiliating for the fans down there

[A wanderer from Bristol]

commentator on 5 live said the journalists were discussing MM's job being under pressure at half time

[northnorfolkwolf]

How sad to hear more passion in the stands than on the pitch.

[Space Wolf]

My early bird letter is still on the side and it still hasn't been opened. MM is doing nothing to convince me I'll be missing out next season if I don't renew.

[5150]

Out of the cup...out of promotion contention (mathematically blah blah) , and a performance that Morgan cannot put up with much longer.

[Stewarton Wolf]

there is no reason to continue his employment - another season wasted

[Wolv3nsam]

commentator on 5 live said the journalists were discussing MM's job being under pressure at half time

Only half time? I thought it'd be under pressure as soon as the second went in.

[Evolution Wolf]

surely he cant keep his job after this

bringing Freddy on was his last resort trying to win over a fan or two

[northnorfolkwolf]

Out of the Cup and 7 (SEVEN) points off 6th place. How low does SM want to see us fall. MM OUT NOW

[Wolv3nsam]

WBA 5-0 up...

[Evolution Wolf]

moxey whats the score did i hear that then

[Rocky_Balllboa]

MM has to go, he is embassing himself as much as anything

[sbridgewolves]

Out the cup with a wimper

[Wolv3nsam]

Morgan whats the score, Morgan Morgan whats the score..

[KAZZZZ]

What Does That Guy Have To Do To Get Sacked

[northnorfolkwolf]

PLEASE LET THIS BE MM's LAST 5 MINUTES IN CHARGE

[A wanderer from Bristol]

Commentator on 5-live apologising to wolves fans listening for the performance

[5150]

I think it has got to a point now where attendences will suffer if he stays

[Stewarton Wolf]

MM has no pride that's why he wont resign, pathetic. We would be better with no manager for tuesday.

[UEAwolf]

"thunderous looking faces on the Wolves board"


hopefully this is a good sign.

[Jonny Bull]

Mark my words, he'll be here at the end of the season. Unfortunately.

[Wolv3nsam]

The only bright spot out of this is that Freddy has tried his hardest, been sharp and looked the brightest. Shame he probably won't even be in starting 16 come the Scunthorpe game.

[Rocky_Balllboa]

Eastwood header wide

[WolvesAreBoringOnCeefax]

I don't think he'll go before our next league game (Scunny is it?) but if he can't win that then there's gotta be questions asked.

Saying Eastwood has changed it, looked leaner and sharp. Gotta give him more of a go.

[SmokeyGB]

I get the feeling that MM will be hear until the end of the season....So sooner we get use to that the better...

But after final whistle i would like to do a press conference for Monday 1pm and state that MM has resigned/sacked and a new man will be in chatge by Saturday...

Big Sam or Coleman or Ince really

[Grizzled Wolf]

Pity the floodlights are on..we could have slunk away under cover of darkness..

[northnorfolkwolf]

Sounds to me if none of them could be bothered. That's an indictment for a manager who's lost the dressing room. MM GO

[A wanderer from Bristol]

froggy says that eastwood "the one bright spark"... to be honest, MM falling on his sword is the only thing that might cheer me up a bit.

[Wolv3nsam]

"thunderous looking faces on the Wolves board"


hopefully this is a good sign.

Maybe that's why the Cardiff fans were singing "Moxey, what's the score".

[KAZZZZ]

whats the excuse for him today, he will blame all the players we have missing, like they made a diff last 3 weeks.

quite funny really...

come on cardiff get 3333333333333333333333333

[5150]

Mark my words, he'll be here at the end of the season. Unfortunately.

I thought the same,but I think Morgan will pay him off regardless of any deal that was struck !

[Stewarton Wolf]

I don't think he'll go before our next league game (Scunny is it?) but if he can't win that then there's gotta be questions asked.

Saying Eastwood has changed it, looked leaner and sharp. Gotta give him more of a go.

What questions...

[Munich_Wolf]

I hope MM is a dead man walking. All his chopping and changing today was as bad as anything DJ and even Colin Lee served up in their last few matches.

PLEASE GO MM

[JR's Boots]

Wakey wakey Morgan. You're in charge of this shambles.

[Stewarton Wolf]

Do you think Hoddle would come back?

[Grizzled Wolf]

PLEASE!!! Mick don't hold a press conference after this performance......

[Rocky_Balllboa]

Tempted to think Hoddle is better than MM...

[Woburn Wolf]

MM has no pride that's why he wont resign, pathetic. We would be better with no manager for tuesday.
He won't resign cos then he would give up his pay off Stewarton.

[Evolution Wolf]

Mick Out Times Up Bye Bye

[KAZZZZ]

the wolves fans singing

WE WANT DAVE JONES BACVK

lolololol

[SmokeyGB]

Please send a copy of Mol Mix of fans complaining and show how may hits there have been and majority of what we think...

Sling your hook MM

[Jonny Bull]

But the fans have never stood up to a man - as far as I know - to scream for McCarthy's head. We can type what we want but until there's real action from the stands then I can't see anything happening.

[northnorfolkwolf]

Total Disgrace. They Don't Deserve Such Great Fans. I"m Disgusted By Such A Totally Disinterested Performance. Mm Go Now

[5150]

the wolves fans singing

WE WANT DAVE JONES BACVK

lolololol


Quality !!:D

[Grizzled Wolf]

Eastwood our man of the shambles...

[Wolv3nsam]

the wolves fans singing

WE WANT DAVE JONES BACVK

lolololol

Genius.

[SmokeyGB]

Do you get the feeling that the Beacon comms are agree that MM time could be up and the team is POOR !!!!

When the commentry team actualy complain how bad team is then you know we have a problem

[Pengwern]

whats the excuse for him today, he will blame all the players we have missing, like they made a diff last 3 weeks.

quite funny really...

come on cardiff get 3333333333333333333333333

I knew you were an Albion fan!

[GoldenHorseshoe]

What questions...

Who are ya, who are ya

[Rocky_Balllboa]

FT Utter disgrace

MM you are a joke

[KAZZZZ]

I knew you were an Albion fan!


ive just had enough, google andy greekfish and ill think your see im a wolves fan.

[northnorfolkwolf]

"Easy, Easy' Cardiff chanting. Embarrassing

[BlahBlah]

On the welsh radio they're saying that Ian Rush is sitting with his big mate Steve Morgan.
Wonder what he's told him about this complete load of crap they've just had to sit and watch?

[Stewarton Wolf]

Florida where are you to defend this;)

[A wanderer from Bristol]

In the name of god go

[GoldenHorseshoe]

And it's good night from him:mad:

[Wolv3nsam]

If in the worst case scenario Scunthorpe were to score on Tuesday, what would the reaction from the fans be like?

[Florida Wolfey]

So that's it...we're out. Massive disappointment today. Performance not acceptable.

[northnorfolkwolf]

Game over. MMs reign over

[Wolv3nsam]

Florida where are you to defend this;)

Him and Pengwern will be on defending MM in due time.

[Florida Wolfey]

Him and Pengwern will be on defending MM in due time.

If you think I have been defending him recent weeks because I have been happy with things you couldn't be more wrong.

MM has made some big mistakes IMO. BUT....we have been down the road of sacking managers so many times before in identical circumstances to this and this time it's time to do it differently.

[Florida Wolfey]

Just want to say well done to Barnsley as well. Great performance from heir keeper and then just before they scored their second they had a stonewall penalty turned down.

[Stewarton Wolf]

So that's it...we're out. Massive disappointment today. Performance not acceptable.
What performances have been acceptable this season?

[Wolv3nsam]

MM has made some big mistakes IMO. BUT....we have been down the road of sacking managers so many times before in identical circumstances to this and this time it's time to do it differently.

Judging by the player's performances today he's lost the dressing room, he took them in for HT and the performance was just as bad afterwards. He's lost the plot and it's come to a point where he's lost the fans too, he needs to go sooner rather than later. I know Morgan didn't want to go down the road of "hiring and firing" but if he wants to get this club into the Premier League he needs to get the right man in.

[GoldenHorseshoe]

If you think I have been defending him recent weeks because I have been happy with things you couldn't be more wrong.

MM has made some big mistakes IMO. BUT....we have been down the road of sacking managers so many times before in identical circumstances to this and this time it's time to do it differently.

I don't care how we do it so long as he's gone before midnight!

[Stewarton Wolf]

Players Boo'd during the warm down - Your not fit to wear the shirt..

[Florida Wolfey]

Judging by the player's performances today he's lost the dressing room, he took them in for HT and the performance was just as bad afterwards. He's lost the plot and it's come to a point where he's lost the fans too, he needs to go sooner rather than later. I know Morgan didn't want to go down the road of "hiring and firing" but if he wants to get this club into the Premier League he needs to get the right man in.

Hard to disagree with you but I still maintain that promotion this season isn't the be and end all. If the team was progressing then people would be happier but we do appear to be going backwards. In the past we've got rid of manager after manager, do we keep on repeating the cycle and more importantly, why does history keep on repeating itself at WWFC?

[A wanderer from Bristol]

Judging by the player's performances today he's lost the dressing room, he took them in for HT and the performance was just as bad afterwards. He's lost the plot and it's come to a point where he's lost the fans too, he needs to go sooner rather than later. I know Morgan didn't want to go down the road of "hiring and firing" but if he wants to get this club into the Premier League he needs to get the right man in.

Agreed! Am not in favour of firing managers for the sake of it but, equally, sometimes you have to bite the bullet and recognise when things have gone far enough. Thanks for last season, but MM has to go. I will be joining in the chants on tuesday vs scunny unless MM goes before then.

[Hibbitt was King]

Oh the ineptitude ;)

[Stewarton Wolf]

Hard to disagree with you but I still maintain that promotion this season isn't the be and end all. If the team was progressing then people would be happier but we do appear to be going backwards. In the past we've got rid of manager after manager, do we keep on repeating the cycle and more importantly, why does history keep on repeating itself at WWFC?
Show me something from Mccarthys track record that insires your confidence - he hasn't got a clue.

[GoldenHorseshoe]

Hard to disagree with you but I still maintain that promotion this season isn't the be and end all. If the team was progressing then people would be happier but we do appear to be going backwards. In the past we've got rid of manager after manager, do we keep on repeating the cycle and more importantly, why does history keep on repeating itself at WWFC?

That is the crux of it, no progress at any stage this season

[Stewarton Wolf]

41% Possession 1 shot on target, 4 shots off target

[Florida Wolfey]

Show me something from Mccarthys track record that insires your confidence - he hasn't got a clue.

Stewarton,

I know you despise him..quite illogically in my opinion, but he was successful at Sunderland and you don't become an international manager if you don't know a thing or two about the game. You might not like reading that but those two things tell me he's not bloody stupid.

I still can't work out some of his recent decisions though. I think it would be wrong to single Kyle out but his signing smacks of desperation for me. Before that I thought we were a team that were capable of breaking teams down by passing it, now we seem to have reverted to hitting a target man. IMO, we need a mix in our style of play.

The other thing I haven't been able to work out is why manager after manager thinks our defence is good enough. The Lescott/Butler combination was barely good enough before we went up under Jones and since then we've been very poor in that department.

[Papper]

Hard to disagree with you but I still maintain that promotion this season isn't the be and end all. If the team was progressing then people would be happier but we do appear to be going backwards. In the past we've got rid of manager after manager, do we keep on repeating the cycle and more importantly, why does history keep on repeating itself at WWFC?

With you and i was all for development and a season or two in the championship but i put as equal blame on Morgan than McCarthy. Nothing has been learnt from previous mistakes. I dreaded the appointment of a new owner after the progress made in the latter period of the Hayward era and it has manifested far worse than i expected. Morgan has not got the slightest clue as to what makes Wolverhampton Wanderers tick.

[wallace]

the players confidence must be shot, will molineux lift them on tuesday or will it be another lynch mob mentality?

[Florida Wolfey]

With you and i was all for development and a season or two in the championship but i put as equal blame on Morgan than McCarthy. Nothing has been learnt from previous mistakes. I dreaded the appointment of a new owner after the progress made in the latter period of the Hayward era and it has manifested far worse than i expected. Morgan has not got the slightest clue as to what makes Wolverhampton Wanderers tick.

It's hard to disagree with this as well. A lack of real leadership has been a problem at WWFC for two decades and it seems the status quo is unaffected by the change of owner. I still believe our recruiting policy re: young players is the right one but when you don't play them in their right positions or have poor tactics, young players find it hard to deal with failure.

Don't forget Cardiff were going through a similar spell earlier this season and Jones turned it around. Quite remarkable given his track record. I believe we should give MM until the end of next season as a minimum. (Crash helmet on ;))

[purplepault69]

F.A Cup and FA is what a lot of players did today, OK I only listened to the game on 5 Live but it did seem a complete shambles,however got the impression that Freddy was up for it ???

[JR's Boots]

It's hard to disagree with this as well. A lack of real leadership has been a problem at WWFC for two decades and it seems the status quo is unaffected by the change of owner. I still believe our recruiting policy re: young players is the right one but when you don't play them in their right positions or have poor tactics, young players find it hard to deal with failure.

Don't forget Cardiff were going through a similar spell earlier this season and Jones turned it around. Quite remarkable given his track record. I believe we should give MM until the end of next season as a minimum. (Crash helmet on ;))

FW - Written by someone who has not had to watch Wolves play this season. I want continuity but not continuity of this. We're as bad a side as I can remember for some years.

[Gratters]

the players confidence must be shot, will molineux lift them on tuesday or will it be another lynch mob mentality?

ahh poor ickle players :rolleyes:

ffs grow some mate - they are highly paid pampered people who play football for a living - they don't give a flying toss what you think of them - their only concern is they are playing so $$$$ they could be dropped - and thats the best place for virtually all of them ! If we go down we could well struggle in League 1 with that side.

[Papper]

It's hard to disagree with this as well. A lack of real leadership has been a problem at WWFC for two decades and it seems the status quo is unaffected by the change of owner. I still believe our recruiting policy re: young players is the right one but when you don't play them in their right positions or have poor tactics, young players find it hard to deal with failure.

Don't forget Cardiff were going through a similar spell earlier this season and Jones turned it around. Quite remarkable given his track record. I believe we should give MM until the end of next season as a minimum. (Crash helmet on ;))

Nobody is going to resurrect this season but i'm happy for the light to slowly flicker until the inevitable extinction under McCarthy. This season has been disastrous, given the finance and the progress last season. Bad signings and the players who should have been moved on and never were - Olofinjana, Craddock and Breen. Judgement should be made over forty six games and i hope it is. Absolutely no faith whatsoever in McCarthy OR Morgan.

[Florida Wolfey]

FW - Written by someone who has not had to watch Wolves play this season. I want continuity but not continuity of this. We're as bad a side as I can remember for some years.

You're wrong with your opening statement JR. Let's not turn this into yet another "you don't go" debate.

[Florida Wolfey]

ahh poor ickle players :rolleyes:

ffs grow some mate - they are highly paid pampered people who play football for a living - they don't give a flying toss what you think of them - their only concern is they are playing so $$$$ they could be dropped - and thats the best place for virtually all of them ! If we go down we could well struggle in League 1 with that side.

But Gratters... don't you think MM's tactics have something to do with the performances?

[Stewarton Wolf]

Post Match Comments - Said a lot placed blame carefully on players...
No answers...

[sjonnie]

With you and i was all for development and a season or two in the championship but i put as equal blame on Morgan than McCarthy. Nothing has been learnt from previous mistakes. I dreaded the appointment of a new owner after the progress made in the latter period of the Hayward era and it has manifested far worse than i expected. Morgan has not got the slightest clue as to what makes Wolverhampton Wanderers tick.

Sorry I've read this and I can't understand what you are alluding to - could you explain to me the progress you speak of in the latter part of the Hayward era.

McCarthy was not Morgan's appointment - he was the result of that enlightened duo 'Jez and Jack' - so I don't see how you can apportion equal blame to him and Hayward.

[JR's Boots]

You're wrong with your opening statement JR. Let's not turn this into yet another "you don't go" debate.

Florida - I'm not knocking you for not going, you are in a different continent for a start. No it's not that, it's just that from a distance it can seem like a rocky spell, but this season has been out of kilter from day one. If you were here I'm sure you would have a more trenchant view. It's really poor.

[Gratters]

But Gratters... don't you think MM's tactics have something to do with the performances?

Yes of course - but tactics don't have anything to do with so called professional players consistently missing from very easy positions or making schoolboy errors. We play like a side who just get together every match day - you cannot see any training in that side at all.

Else we wouldn't be continually split open week after week and Keogh wouldn't keep missing from 19 inches out ! Our last 3 seasons have been a nightmare for the poor sod in the Wolves goal !

[Papper]

Sorry I've read this and I can't understand what you are alluding to - could you explain to me the progress you speak of in the latter part of the Hayward era.

Well it takes a lot to applaud a team off that lost six nil at home.

[sjonnie]

Well it takes a lot to applaud a team off that lost six nil at home.

I take your point and in terms of support that is commendable but a six-nil home defeat hardly represents progress.

Going forward - I would like to think that Morgan has been doing some serious research into why (whoever the manager has been) we can't seem to progress. For me McCarthy has to go (and as soon as possible) - for what it's worth I was disappointed when he got the job, but was pleasantly surprised last season although ultimately we still failed - and I don't want to see any tin-pot knee-jerk replacements. I would like to see a complete overhaul and change in the management and coaching staff (you can include Moxey in that too), there's too big a legacy of failure hanging around the club. Give the new man a clear brief, a timescale and a budget.

[Papper]

I take your point and in terms of support that is commendable but a six-nil home defeat hardly represents progress.

Oh believe me it did, but that was in front of the hardcore in a time of vision and belief. Morgan has since smacked us in the face with a rather large fish.

[Florida Wolfey]

Florida - I'm not knocking you for not going, you are in a different continent for a start. No it's not that, it's just that from a distance it can seem like a rocky spell, but this season has been out of kilter from day one. If you were here I'm sure you would have a more trenchant view. It's really poor.

Indulge me here JR... I've been at Mol. through bad spells with previous managers many times so I know exactly how everyone must be feeling. Believe it or not, us exciles feel it as well...even though we only have the radio or occassionally the TV.

I also understand that those who pay to go to games believe they have more right than anyone to say what they feel but to me it doesn't change the basic problems with the team, with the club and with the support, etc.

In previous years when we've had bad periods, we have always sacked our manager after mounting supporter pressure. The viewpoints then were just the same as we are seeing today and there's nothing different about MM's reign in that regard IMO. The difference I do see this time is the fact that the team is a lot younger than previous squads.

IMO, it's going to take longer to get this team performing at the level we all want them to because of that simple fact. I'm not making excuses or defending MM because I do believe that this team is capable of much more than it is currently achieving but I think we just have to be very careful of repeating previous mistakes.

[Hibbitt was King]

You're dead right about a young team, Florida.

I had the good fortune to have Moxey to myself for half an hour a few months into Hoddle's reign, and one of the things he said, which I agree with, is that youngsters have a particular problem at Wolves because the demanding and thoughtless Molineux crowd is only too happy to barrack them when the first pass goes astray. He said that this was the factor for having given Jones the cheque book to go out and buy a number of battle-hardened players like Rae, Blake, Butler and the rest, for Sir Jack's last tilt at the premiership.

This is why I've never bought into the "young and hungry" policy. Moxey knows it won't work at Wolves, but everyone is too scared to go down the open cheque book route because it failed serially under the Haywards.

We're marooned, gentlemen.

[Papper]

You're dead right about a young team, Florida.

I had the good fortune to have Moxey to myself for half an hour a few months into Hoddle's reign, and one of the things he said, which I agree with, is that youngsters have a particular problem at Wolves because the demanding and thoughtless Molineux crowd is only too happy to barrack them when the first pass goes astray. He said that this was the factor for having given Jones the cheque book to go out and buy a number of battle-hardened players like Rae, Blake, Butler and the rest, for Sir Jack's last tilt at the premiership.

This is why I've never bought into the "young and hungry" policy. Moxey knows it won't work at Wolves, but everyone is too scared to go down the open cheque book route because it failed serially under the Haywards.

We're marooned, gentlemen.


Well there is no bigger reason for Moxey getting his P45. If true that is a totally pathetic endorsement of our great club. A shocking statement.

[Florida Wolfey]

Well there is no bigger reason for Moxey getting his P45. If true that is a totally pathetic endorsement of our great club. A shocking statement.

Why do you say that Papper? I'd say JM was right in his assessment of the Wolves crowd in general. This season has again seen plenty of evidence of that re: Elliott.

As for going down the cheque book route and being afraid, I don't buy into that. They've already spent more money than most clubs yet again. Further, people in high executive positions like this should not allow fear to prevent them from doing what they believe is right.

I know the crowd plays some part in the decision making process but the true leader will always stay with his vision, rightly or wrongly. The problem today is the vision. Once upon a time it used to be normal to think we could win the league or a cup or two. Today football has been dumbed down for most supporters of 95% of the clubs in the land whilst the high and mighty have been allowed to prosper against the good of the game in general.

JM has done a good job of stabilising the club financially IMO. He's not the leader though.

[dr cool]

Well there is no bigger reason for Moxey getting his P45. If true that is a totally pathetic endorsement of our great club. A shocking statement.

AGREED..

....drc