Misplaced Anger [Archive]

wolves85nb

15-02-2008, 09:45

Wolves aren't having the season we all had hoped or expected in terms of points tally/positional status and also performances. This has partly been aided by injuries to key players at various points of the season with no adequate cover and so the team adopted a different style of play and system to get by. It simply hasn't worked out and frustrations have mounted with us failing to get into stride and play as free flowing and entertaining as last season.

Overall it's disappointing for everyone, but far from disastrous as some would have you believe. This is football for christ sake, it loves to kick you in $$$$$$$$ and if you expect to keep progressing and progressing all the way to the top without a poor or static season then get in the real world. If you can't handle it and it depresses you so
much that you feel you have to insult and abuse a man trying his hardest to do a job and take your club up a level then you really need
to get a life.

That aside, everybody is entitled to an opinion and if people really do believe Mick is a thick/useless human being/manager then fine but why the anger towards him??? Why not the man who employs him???

MM gets the stick when he plays "$$$$" players (typical e.g... Although S Ward gives his all he's $$$$ but it's not his fault he's playing, it's that useless £££££ Mick") so why isn't Morgan getting any abuse for sticking with a manager that's sooo poor then? Maybe a whole new bunch of threads should be started or gatecrashed on Morgan's inability to recognise that we have a totally $$$$ manager who's taking us nowhere fast instead of MM being used as a scapegoat and getting blamed for everything that's wrong in your lives?

We're naturally going to agree/disagree with every move our mangager makes, which is fine and what makes it great for us as fans but some of the comments lately are ridiculous and are getting extremely boring - "I can't change my opinion on him because I utterly dispise the man"!
It's childish views like this that make sensible debate's on his sacking and other issues pointless. Like I said, if you do feel that way why not re-direct your 'anger' at the board for not getting rid now?

Moira Stewart

15-02-2008, 09:49

Dewsburywolf

15-02-2008, 09:52

wolves85nb

15-02-2008, 09:58

Mick McCarthy picks the team, chooses the tactics etc. If Steve Morgan interfered in such then he would get the criticism.

Think about a certain Egomaniac called Mandaric. Nobody wanted his Millions when he was muted to be considering buying Sir Jack out.

That's the point. If MM is so bad at picking the team and choosing the tactics, etc then who's responsible for him still being in charge. I'd say he's giving no less than 100% to his job and if you think he's just not good enough why is there anger towards him and not the board?

Bend It Like Dennison

15-02-2008, 10:09

If the stupid one is still here in the summer I will be asking questions of Morgan on here, make no doubt. And I wont be the only one.

He's still the new guy at the moment, but not for much longer.

Essex Wolf

15-02-2008, 10:10

Morgan may just be being fair and giving MM a chance to sort the mess out. He is obviously a shrewd businessman and making important decisions is something he has had to do many times I'd imagine so he might not want to rush in and sack MM just yet.

I cannot belief he is happy with what he has seen and what has gone on and should things remain as they are and MM stays in place then Morgan may start to hear the Wolves fans making comments non to favourable at him also, who knows?

But as to why MM is getting the stick right now, well Morgan has bank rolled him pretty well so far and things have not improved so the fans look to the manager at such times and rightfully so.

Taffywolf

15-02-2008, 10:19

Mick buys the players.
Mick choses the starting xl.
Mick dictates tactics.
Mick decides formation.

If the players aren't good enough then he shouldn't of signed them..

Essex Wolf

15-02-2008, 10:24

Spot on Taffywolf and your comments raise questions over the signing of Eastwood again.

McCarthy signed him and spent decent money at CCC level to do so. Eastwood had been playing long enough for McCarthy to know the type of player he was getting but it seems to me MM has tried to change him and for what purpose?

Makes me really wonder if MM had any idea what he was buying.

Pengwern

15-02-2008, 10:27

Mick buys the players.
Mick choses the starting xl.
Mick dictates tactics.
Mick decides formation.

If the players aren't good enough then he shouldn't of signed them..

Does he injure them at crucial times as well?
Does he buy them drinks at clubs?
Does he help them bottle people outside clubs?

Get real!

Essex Wolf

15-02-2008, 10:31

Does he injure them at crucial times as well?
Does he buy them drinks at clubs?
Does he help them bottle people outside clubs?

Get real!

No to each but he does choose who to play, how and where and has messed up far to often this season.

As regards the injuries, well having cover would be a massive help but McCarthy seems to have overlooked that small but rather important matter.

Stewarton Wolf

15-02-2008, 10:44

Does he injure them at crucial times as well?Injuries are part and parcel of the game that's why you have a balanced squad with cover or at the very least buy/loan in replacements - we just buy more strikers
Does he buy them drinks at clubs? ???:rolleyes:
Does he help them bottle people outside clubs? He bought SEB in the full knowledge of the incident

Get real!

How real do you want it?

Bend It Like Dennison

15-02-2008, 10:54

wolves85nb

15-02-2008, 10:56

Mick buys the players.
Mick choses the starting xl.
Mick dictates tactics.
Mick decides formation.

If the players aren't good enough then he shouldn't of signed them..

Easy enough for us to say that but every manager wastes money on players that aren't good enough too. Fergie's signed a fair few in his time, Big Sam signed some a couple of poor players this season, etc

wolves85nb

15-02-2008, 10:58

Bend It Like Dennison

15-02-2008, 10:59

How about the other 3 points??

Starting XI?? Formations?? Tactics?? Not important??

Bend It Like Dennison

15-02-2008, 11:01

You need to convince our leaders Jez and Steve first only then will we concede defeat!;)

Is that you 'coming out'?? Fair play to you, it must've been tough!! Do your parents know?? ;)

wolves85nb

15-02-2008, 11:03

Yes we're having a poor season. IMV Mick has been unlucky with injuries to 3 good wingers this season and has tried to change our set-up to suit. It hasn't worked up to yet and we've struggled but no so bad that we're way off the PO challenge and looking behind us. It's a disappointing season, but not a worthy of a sacking at present.

wolves85nb

15-02-2008, 11:04

Is that you 'coming out'?? Fair play to you, it must've been tough!! Do your parents know?? ;)

:D

Paul76

15-02-2008, 11:09

doog

15-02-2008, 11:13

Worth waiting for?

I hope Steve Morgan continually looks at quality candidates for the managers job, and i hope he can find someone much better than we have (soon.)

But if he feels the right candidates are not there at the moment, then i hope he hangs onto mick, a change for the sake of change is just not worth it, it sets the club back to far.

But a change for the better, someone who could really steer the once mighty Wolves back to the top, then hey.

Carn' Steve find us a ripper of a gem mate.

jaspa888

15-02-2008, 11:24

The role of the manager is:

1) Identify transfer targets - nearly all of the first team squad (Wayne, Jody and Olo aside) are MM signings. He can not blame the Board for lack of backing in the transfer market, and this is definitely his team. MM is the one who has chosen not to reinforce his CB's, or get additional cover for the wings. We have more first team strikers than Man Utd and Arsenal. Our scouting network consists of 'looking over the Sunderland reserve team training ground fence' quoting one user on this site.

2) Select a successful formation from the available squad and suitable tactics - He keeps chopping and changing his strikers, giving no semblence of continuity to the team. He selects players out of position - continually. Players are seemingly selected and dropped, regardless of their performances in previous matches.

3) Select a successful coaching team, including fitness and academy - MM has largely failed in improving many of the players he has purchased and inherited, and that has to be down to him and the coaching abilities of the staff he has employed. Where is the free flowing football of last year? Was Taff that important to our performance? Our fitness levels also seem to be diminishing since Daley took over.

How can Morgan be blamed for these failings? He has supported MM through transfer funds, and no dreaded vote of confidence has been forthcoming during our dodgy spell. He seems committed to continuity and support of the manager. With the criticism from the recent spate of sackings in the CCC and perceived lack of patience from chairmen, you are damned if you do, damned if you dont.

The only thing I blame Morgan for is his lack of visbility and communication - something many fans are beginning to put down to apathy. We need a statement from him saying things are not good enough at the moment, and what his target for Wolves is this/next season. Let's hope this feeling of apathy does not flow through to the fans.

wolves85nb

15-02-2008, 11:41

How can Morgan be blamed for these failings? He has supported MM through transfer funds, and no dreaded vote of confidence has been forthcoming during our dodgy spell. He seems committed to continuity and support of the manager. With the criticism from the recent spate of sackings in the CCC and perceived lack of patience from chairmen, you are damned if you do, damned if you dont.

The only thing I blame Morgan for is his lack of visbility and communication - something many fans are beginning to put down to apathy. We need a statement from him saying things are not good enough at the moment, and what his target for Wolves is this/next season. Let's hope this feeling of apathy does not flow through to the fans.

I agree with alot of what you say however I'm not personally pointing the finger at Morgan as I don't think MM should be sacked yet.

What I'm tryng to point out is that alot of people are showing anger towards MM for being "thick & useless" and want him sacked "now". If he is as useless as people are suggesting why are they insulting MM at every opportunity because he's still here when it's the board keeping him in a job? Doesn't make sense.

Oldgold Wolfcub

15-02-2008, 11:50

Does he injure them at crucial times as well?
Does he buy them drinks at clubs?
Does he help them bottle people outside clubs?

Get real!
He is responsible for the overall fitness of players. He also has shared responsibility for their recovery.
Are you suggesting that all of our players are boozing? If so club discipline is also down to the manager.
And your third point if referring to Blakey is aimed at something that happened at another club and Wolves should have by all accounts have known about this. No MM would not have the resources to have known but where this fits in to MM's overall management skills or not is beyond me.

Oldgold Wolfcub

15-02-2008, 11:55

I m actually feeling a bit sorry for the McCarthy apologists now. Their arguments are getting thinner & thinner.

We've picked off all the big wigs from their group now, all thats left is a few desperate stragglers such as Pengwern.

Give it up mate, its over. The war is all but won.
But its so sweet seeing them try. They do come up with some sensible arguments but each time they are let down by one factor - McCarthy himself.
However the problem is not MM it is Morgan. If Morgan's mindset is indicative of the way he has handled this situation we are in serious trouble. If Morgan does continue the SJH regime all that will happen is Moxey will appoint someone like Robson next.

jaspa888

15-02-2008, 12:03

I agree with alot of what you say however I'm not personally pointing the finger at Morgan as I don't think MM should be sacked yet.

What I'm tryng to point out is that alot of people are showing anger towards MM for being "thick & useless" and want him sacked "now". If he is as useless as people are suggesting why are they insulting MM at every opportunity because he's still here when it's the board keeping him in a job? Doesn't make sense.

We have had other failing managers in the past, but the resulting level of anger and hatred from the fans varied from manager to manager. Turner was universally liked, but most agreed he had to go as he had reached his peak. Hoddle was (nearly) universally hated by the end due to his apparent apathy to the club and its fans. Jones left the fans split, and many hated him, many still love him to this day.

The reason why many are beginning to hate MM is his treatment of the fans who pay his wages. He has openly criticised a section of the fanbase on a regular basis, but they will be here long after he has $$$$ed off.

He treats all our fans with contempt in his press conferences when he makes stupid excuses for the pish poor performances and bizzare team selections. Before he managed Wolves, I always thought MM 'called a spade a spade', with honesty and bluntness being his best attributes - something the average Wolves fan would warm to.

That is why the goodwill of last season has turned to hatred in many cases.

I prefer the Barry Fry style of management in press conferences:
- 'We was crap' - live on ITV after a home loss to Peterborough
- 'When I promised the board I would get them out of this division, I didnt say in which direction' - on relegation to old Div 3

Taffywolf

15-02-2008, 12:06

Easy enough for us to say that but every manager wastes money on players that aren't good enough too. Fergie's signed a fair few in his time, Big Sam signed some a couple of poor players this season, etc

1 OR 2 maybe but not the majorities of the signings..

loopy lupine

15-02-2008, 12:14

1 OR 2 maybe but not the majorities of the signings..

Mainly goalkeepers as well, something we're unatturally blessed with!

Bend It Like Dennison

15-02-2008, 13:04

Very very sad.

What, that McCarthy is still here?? Yeah I know it is.

Pengwern

15-02-2008, 13:19

No to each but he does choose who to play, how and where and has messed up far to often this season.

As regards the injuries, well having cover would be a massive help but McCarthy seems to have overlooked that small but rather important matter.

Getting quality cover in all positions is difficult, admit it, because good players don't want to be at this level not playing for most of the season if the first choice player is nearly always fit. That's why clubs in this division have to have a few players who can play in a second position. Mick has done what you say with strikers, which I disagree with him about, but with wingers (which his tactics depend on) he has waited for Davies, Gobern and Jarvis to get fit as they are all quality; injury clear-up times can be unpredictable sometimes & certainly are with this bunch. That is the main area on which I base my argument that injuries which are not his fault have really hurt us & that quality cover would not have come here. The idiotic & bitter scape-goating of Stephen Ward on MM has been consistently OTT and its neither his nor Mick's fault that he has put a shift in a square hole for far longer than either of them wanted and got injured for the cause in the process (yet carried on).

jaspa888

15-02-2008, 13:37

The idiotic & bitter scape-goating of Stephen Ward on MM has been consistently OTT and its neither his nor Mick's fault that he has put a shift in a square hole for far longer than either of them wanted and got injured for the cause in the process (yet carried on).

Surely that iis the purpose of a reserve team. We have Mulgrew, Gobern and Gleeson who have not played this season. Other teams use the loan market to cover for short-term injuries. We have only brought Kyle and Gibson in.

He has spent £7m over the last 9 months, and brought in a total of 4 additional forwards this season alone. Still little cover for FB's or wingers, and still no creative midfielder.

He cant baulk at the support the Board has given him financially, so losing players to injuries can not be used as an excuse.

Bend It Like Dennison

15-02-2008, 13:46

Spot on.

Pengwern

15-02-2008, 13:53

Pengwern

15-02-2008, 13:54

or LB i meant to say.

jaspa888

15-02-2008, 14:10

Granted that Mulgrew has played LM for Scotland U 21s x2 but Gobern has been injured and Gleeson has clearly not impressed in training as well as getting injured a couple of times. It seems to me that maybe Mulgrew hasn't impressed in training either. None of us know who does and who doesn't & no manager is going to come out and tell us that kind of information.

If these players (Mulgrew, Rosa, Gleeson) are not good enough in MM's opinion, he should get rid and bring in his own cover. It was no secret that we would be $$$$ed if Kites got injured. MM should have also made contingencies to cover this, especially now that we have a short window.

Still little cover for FB's or wingers? Elokobi, Jones and Henry can all cover at RB, as can Rob Edwards when he's fit.

Football is all about partnerships across the field (FB/Winger, CBx2, AM/DM, CFx2). Putting square pegs in round holes can work where only one of these players is a non-specialist. We have played the majority of the season with a CB at LB and CF at LW. One flank of the side has therefore been disabled creatively. We have played Elliot as the other winger in recent games. We have played with 2 DF for most of the season.

We should not rely on non-specialists in so many positions if we have aspirations to be promoted.

Still no creative midfielder? Name one in this League! - Championship teams don't have creative midfielders unless they are over 30 because of the way the game is played at this level.

The point I was making was regarding the many strikers we have, but not enough creativity to supply the said strikers. We do not score enough goals and MM assumes the strikers are not good enough, and so signs 4 more. Instead of some much needed creativity.

Ledley, Halmosi, Gera and Hendrie are just four of the better creative players in this league.

Edgmond Wolf

15-02-2008, 14:11

Personally I think the players have to take some of the criticism, most of them haven't played to the potential they showed last season or at other clubs prior to us signing them, and of course so should the South Bank for their appalling 'support' of the team.

I do not know if you are fishing if so you caught one...

Do you go to matches? The only ones that you can hear cheering for their team is the South Bank :p

wolves85nb

15-02-2008, 14:17

1 OR 2 maybe but not the majorities of the signings..

Would you care to list the poor one's?

Wolv3nsam

15-02-2008, 14:20

Do you go to matches? The only ones that you can hear cheering for their team is the South Bank :p

Holier than art thou. :rolleyes:

Edgmond Wolf

15-02-2008, 14:37

Holier than art thou. :rolleyes:

I am glad that you agree ;)

Wolv3nsam

15-02-2008, 14:38

I didn't realise chanting "The South Bank" and abusing the away supporters was considered supporting the team these days, mind. ;)

Edgmond Wolf

15-02-2008, 14:41

I didn't realise chanting "The South Bank" and abusing the away supporters was considered supporting the team these days, mind. ;)

We have ALWAYS chanted the South Bank and abusing the away supporters keeps us warm on cold days. It was amusing to see so many Stoke fans turfed out for abusing the South Bank ;)

wolves85nb

15-02-2008, 14:41

The reason why many are beginning to hate MM is his treatment of the fans who pay his wages. He has openly criticised a section of the fanbase on a regular basis, but they will be here long after he has $$$$ed off.

He treats all our fans with contempt in his press conferences when he makes stupid excuses for the pish poor performances and bizzare team selections. Before he managed Wolves, I always thought MM 'called a spade a spade', with honesty and bluntness being his best attributes - something the average Wolves fan would warm to.

That is why the goodwill of last season has turned to hatred in many cases.

That's the only decent reason IMV that fans should have to start hating him. However, it's each to their own, but to continuously insult/abuse him for being tactically poor, buying below standard players and basically being $$$$ at his job is barking up the wrong tree. If people genuinely hate him because he's so poor why aren't they abusing the board instead?

Wolv3nsam

15-02-2008, 14:42

We have ALWAYS chanted the South Bank and abusing the away supporters keeps us warm on cold days. It was amusing to see so many Stoke fans turfed out for abusing the South Bank ;)

I have to admit that was a good laugh. In the Billy Wright we just fight with eachother and come in $$$$ed out of our brains (or the folk around me do, anyway). :D

Edgmond Wolf

15-02-2008, 14:45

I have to admit that was a good laugh. In the Billy Wright we just fight with eachother and come in $$$$ed out of our brains (or the folk around me do, anyway). :D

It was really funny. We were giving them abuse and they retaliated and then got chucked out. You probably had a better view as I am on the side nearest Billy Wright stand who it must be said are getting louder than the North Bank... :eek:

Pengwern

15-02-2008, 14:45

If these players (Mulgrew, Rosa, Gleeson) are not good enough in MM's opinion, he should get rid and bring in his own cover. It was no secret that we would be $$$$ed if Kites got injured. MM should have also made contingencies to cover this, especially now that we have a short window.

Football is all about partnerships across the field (FB/Winger, CBx2, AM/DM, CFx2). Putting square pegs in round holes can work where only one of these players is a non-specialist. We have played the majority of the season with a CB at LB and CF at LW. One flank of the side has therefore been disabled creatively. We have played Elliot as the other winger in recent games. We have played with 2 DF for most of the season.

We should not rely on non-specialists in so many positions if we have aspirations to be promoted.

As I said in an earlier post, good cover won't come to this League just to be that & that's why a few round in square happen at every club. Mulgrew and Gleeson are young & have potential to come good, which is why we should not get rid.

The point I was making was regarding the many strikers we have, but not enough creativity to supply the said strikers. We do not score enough goals and MM assumes the strikers are not good enough, and so signs 4 more. Instead of some much needed creativity.

Ledley, Halmosi, Gera and Hendrie are just four of the better creative players in this league.

Three of these are wide players, whereas you and I want proper wingers! The middle two are primarily goalscorers who can dribble rather than playmakers, anyway, & Hendrie has deteriorated after starting well for Stoke.

jaspa888

15-02-2008, 15:00

You are missing the point. Creativity is missing from our side, and is the single biggest reason for our crap season. It does not matter whether this comes from the flanks, centre, back or front. It is missing - FACT.

Instead of providing cover for our three creative players (Kites, Davies, Jarvis), MM has instead chosen to bring in another 2 forwards in the last month instead. Since he has decided to have 8 strikers and only 3 creative players in his first team squad, we can only blame MM for any injuries that may take place.

And the fact that all three creative players are now injured means the situation will be getting worse.

JR's Boots

15-02-2008, 15:00

Three of these are wide players, whereas you and I want proper wingers! The middle two are primarily goalscorers who can dribble rather than playmakers, anyway, & Hendrie has deteriorated after starting well for Stoke.

Yes Hendre has deteriorated to the extent that Stoke could go top tonight.

With Watford and Stoke and Bristol City vying for the top it demonstrates what an awful division this has been this year...and we're 12th! You can mount any defence of McCarthy you like but the stats don't lie, we're mid table mediocrities that play dull football and don't score many goals. He is the manager and like Robson at Sheff United is not up to the job in hand but unlike Robson has not been sacked..yet.

Oldgold Wolfcub

15-02-2008, 15:18

Very very sad.Stop looking at it then.

Woburn Wolf

15-02-2008, 15:24

If the stupid one is still here in the summer I will be asking questions of Morgan on here, make no doubt. And I wont be the only one.

He's still the new guy at the moment, but not for much longer.

Don't just do it on here BILD, he is very unlikely to see your thoughts. Write to him at Molineux - I already have.

Woburn Wolf

15-02-2008, 15:26

Does he injure them at crucial times as well?
Does he buy them drinks at clubs?
Does he help them bottle people outside clubs?

Get real!

You don't hear these sort of things about Arsenal players cos Wenger does his homework before he buys them.

Oldgold Wolfcub

15-02-2008, 15:29

Don't just do it on here BILD, he is very unlikely to see your thoughts. Write to him at Molineux - I already have.You might have better luck though if you find out which is his next venture in the media world and send it there.

Papper

15-02-2008, 19:11

Well i'm always one to see the glass as half full but i will be amazed if there is a genuine upturn in our fortunes under McCarthy. The return on the investment has been shockingly poor and there is nothing to suggest next season will be better. There was something refreshing about last season but then Morgan went and spoilt it by giving him money to spend. The cycle is repeating itself so i'm just wondering how long it will take for Morgan to be gobbed at. The same people who constantly attacked SJH will soon turn to their attentions to Morgan. Wolves are a continual laughing joke and just when it seems to get better the next Golden Tit appears, all patience is lost and we nose dive again. I actually see no hope whatsoever in Wolves stabilising in the Premiership. Either he spends sixty million plus or forget it.

Oldgold Wolfcub

15-02-2008, 19:33

The cycle is repeating itself so i'm just wondering how long it will take for Morgan to be gobbed at. The same people who constantly attacked SJH will soon turn to their attentions to Morgan. Wolves are a continual laughing joke and just when it seems to get better the next Golden Tit appears,
If you look at things objectively Hayward's reign here was appalling as the owner. What we achieved considering the resources put into the club was unfortunately laughable. One cannot tell someone how to spend their money but in a large way someone taking over a Football club has responsibilities to its fans. We needed direction not just money and we did not get that in fact exactly the opposite with all the goings on with the Hayward family.
The arrival of Captain Morgan has done nothing to suggest this reign has changed yet. The directors brought in last year seem as anonymous as most previous directors. So unless there is a big shake up it looks as if non business as usual. The only thing one could hope for is if we by accident stumble across a good manager because the one thing for sure is that Moxey has not got a clue about spotting a top manager.

Papper

15-02-2008, 19:44

Pompey Wolf

15-02-2008, 20:53

[quote=JR's Boots;533703]Yes Hendre has deteriorated to the extent that Stoke could go top tonight.

Not with Hendrie in the side, they wont. He plays for Sheffield Utd. now............................................... .........and he has deteriorated.

London Wolves

15-02-2008, 23:46

I always blame Notlob I ***king hate them!

:) :) Come on you Wolves :) :)

Let's stick together for once!

HIGHLANDER

16-02-2008, 00:20

OGW - You are so right.

Why doesn't Moxey appoint a manager who can get us in the premiership? What skills are needed for a CEO to identify a manager who will get us into the Premiership? Is it somebody like Dave Jones who got us into the premiership? If i was Morgan at the season end i would frogmarch the lot out including Moxey and start all over again.

You are 100% right in what you say. What you need to do is write to Steve Morgan and tell him how you feel, just like I and a few others have done already.