Devonwolf
30-01-2008, 00:04
Should he win his 100th cap ?
I reckon so, and make him captain for the match
I reckon so, and make him captain for the match
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Muscat
30-01-2008, 00:06
Agree, provided he retires afterwards.
John
30-01-2008, 00:15
Should he win his 100th cap ?
I reckon so, and make him captain for the match
Yes.
He's earned it.
I reckon so, and make him captain for the match
Yes.
He's earned it.
scottishwolf II
30-01-2008, 00:21
Its a nothing friendly - bar the start of the new Capello era. I can't see why you wouldn't bring him on for the last 5 minutes at the very least to get the 100th cap done and stop people caring about it. If he doesn't play in this one the dull speculation will carry on - just get it out of the way and move along.
On top of that dropping Beckham to make a point has not exactly proved to be a great idea for either of the last two managers (McLaren and Capello) to do it...
On top of that dropping Beckham to make a point has not exactly proved to be a great idea for either of the last two managers (McLaren and Capello) to do it...
Shifnal Wolf
30-01-2008, 00:22
Agree, provided he retires afterwards.
Towards the end of the qualifying campaign when he was brought back, I'd say he was the best player in an England shirt! Always plays with passion and commitment which is more than you get from the rets of the team and still has something to offer the national team as I don't think Wright-Phillips or Lennon are good enough and he'd be a fantastic role model for Ashley Young who will replace him on the right I reckon
Towards the end of the qualifying campaign when he was brought back, I'd say he was the best player in an England shirt! Always plays with passion and commitment which is more than you get from the rets of the team and still has something to offer the national team as I don't think Wright-Phillips or Lennon are good enough and he'd be a fantastic role model for Ashley Young who will replace him on the right I reckon
Jack
30-01-2008, 00:31
Definitely. All this $$$$$$$$ about Capello stamping his mark $$$$es me off as a meaningless friendly against Switzerland is going to do very little to shape his tenure.
The best idea would probably to start with HIS line-up and then bring Beckham on at half time as Captain and let him take the credit he deserves.
His performances at the tail end of the campaign justifies his selection on a footballing basis alone and I wouldn't say we've seen the end of Beckham in a competitive scenario
The best idea would probably to start with HIS line-up and then bring Beckham on at half time as Captain and let him take the credit he deserves.
His performances at the tail end of the campaign justifies his selection on a footballing basis alone and I wouldn't say we've seen the end of Beckham in a competitive scenario
Papper
30-01-2008, 02:19
An excellent footballer in his time and a great advocate of the shirt so yes. His move to soccer means his credibility is lost so after this i'd say cheers Dave, see ya.
big-blue-wolf
30-01-2008, 08:21
Yes definitely Beckham deserves it and he should be Captain for the game.
Bertiewolf
30-01-2008, 08:22
Yes he should get the cap and be allowed to go out of his international career in style
DJW
30-01-2008, 08:23
No way should he play!!! Its time England players realised that they had to earn the right to wear the shirt and not just expect it. For to long now to many of the high payed ponces have thought all they had to do was turn up and get changed.
Time these wasters need a kick where it hurts and to give out a cap for charity is the wrong message at the wrong time.
Exactly what has DB achieved for England, other than being slightly less cr*p than the rest.
Very over rated and only wants the cap for his inflated ego.
Move on.
Time these wasters need a kick where it hurts and to give out a cap for charity is the wrong message at the wrong time.
Exactly what has DB achieved for England, other than being slightly less cr*p than the rest.
Very over rated and only wants the cap for his inflated ego.
Move on.
Waggy's Boots
30-01-2008, 08:34
Its more about marketing his brand than the future of English football. I agree that he always plays with total commitment for England but I'm not sure that starting him simply out of sentiment is the way Capello will want to be perceived.
Perhaps let him play the last 5 mins so that the 'issue' is finally put to bed will be seen as a win win situation for all concerned.
Perhaps let him play the last 5 mins so that the 'issue' is finally put to bed will be seen as a win win situation for all concerned.
Adrian_Monk
30-01-2008, 08:37
he still has better touch, technique and vision than any other english player. He's proved to capello at madrid he is worthy of a shirt in one of his sides.
Ettingshall Wolf
30-01-2008, 08:42
No way should he play!!! Its time England players realised that they had to earn the right to wear the shirt and not just expect it. For to long now to many of the high payed ponces have thought all they had to do was turn up and get changed.
Time these wasters need a kick where it hurts and to give out a cap for charity is the wrong message at the wrong time.
Exactly what has DB achieved for England, other than being slightly less cr*p than the rest.
Very over rated and only wants the cap for his inflated ego.
Move on.
Have to disagree with everything youve said here!
Beckham has been great for England. Sure, there have been times when he has been off form, and during those times maybe he should have been dropped.
But for me, more often that not he has been a good player and a positive aspect of the team.
I think he should play next week, but on merit and not for the sake of his 100th cap. If he is fit and in form then I would be happy to see him play next week and for many games to come. He'll be 35 (i think) in 2010 and I cant see why he still cant be featuring in the England squad for the World Cup.
Time these wasters need a kick where it hurts and to give out a cap for charity is the wrong message at the wrong time.
Exactly what has DB achieved for England, other than being slightly less cr*p than the rest.
Very over rated and only wants the cap for his inflated ego.
Move on.
Have to disagree with everything youve said here!
Beckham has been great for England. Sure, there have been times when he has been off form, and during those times maybe he should have been dropped.
But for me, more often that not he has been a good player and a positive aspect of the team.
I think he should play next week, but on merit and not for the sake of his 100th cap. If he is fit and in form then I would be happy to see him play next week and for many games to come. He'll be 35 (i think) in 2010 and I cant see why he still cant be featuring in the England squad for the World Cup.
PREM.L.L
30-01-2008, 08:52
No way should he play!!! Its time England players realised that they had to earn the right to wear the shirt and not just expect it. .
It's odd but this exactly what epitomises Beckham in my view. He's the best striker of a dead ball that the game has ever seen, anywhere at any time. Heart and pride on his sleeve. A credit to the shirt.
The only reason he's playing in the USA and the only reason he hasn't already got his 100 caps is because of that ginger berk some idiot put in charge.
The sentimental argument is a bit too much for me, he's no make weight, he's a bloody quality player and deserves his 100th cap on merit not sentiment.
It's odd but this exactly what epitomises Beckham in my view. He's the best striker of a dead ball that the game has ever seen, anywhere at any time. Heart and pride on his sleeve. A credit to the shirt.
The only reason he's playing in the USA and the only reason he hasn't already got his 100 caps is because of that ginger berk some idiot put in charge.
The sentimental argument is a bit too much for me, he's no make weight, he's a bloody quality player and deserves his 100th cap on merit not sentiment.
Bend It Like Dennison
30-01-2008, 08:59
Still the best midfielder we have IMO.
Leads by example & ALWAYS turns up for England, unlike Gerrard & Lampard. Lennon & SWP dont touch him. Young is the eventual replacement I reckon.
I say lets reinstate him as captain & pretend the McLaren era never happened.
Leads by example & ALWAYS turns up for England, unlike Gerrard & Lampard. Lennon & SWP dont touch him. Young is the eventual replacement I reckon.
I say lets reinstate him as captain & pretend the McLaren era never happened.
Simmowolf
30-01-2008, 09:14
No way should he play!!! Its time England players realised that they had to earn the right to wear the shirt and not just expect it. For to long now to many of the high payed ponces have thought all they had to do was turn up and get changed.
Time these wasters need a kick where it hurts and to give out a cap for charity is the wrong message at the wrong time.
Exactly what has DB achieved for England, other than being slightly less cr*p than the rest.
Very over rated and only wants the cap for his inflated ego.
Move on.
Spot on.
England owes him nothing.
Time these wasters need a kick where it hurts and to give out a cap for charity is the wrong message at the wrong time.
Exactly what has DB achieved for England, other than being slightly less cr*p than the rest.
Very over rated and only wants the cap for his inflated ego.
Move on.
Spot on.
England owes him nothing.
No. 7 George Bowen
30-01-2008, 09:56
No way should he play!!! Its time England players realised that they had to earn the right to wear the shirt and not just expect it. For to long now to many of the high payed ponces have thought all they had to do was turn up and get changed.
Time these wasters need a kick where it hurts and to give out a cap for charity is the wrong message at the wrong time.
Exactly what has DB achieved for England, other than being slightly less cr*p than the rest.
Very over rated and only wants the cap for his inflated ego.
Move on.
I echo that as well. He should not receive his 100th cap. He is a joke.
He never was a particularly gifted footballer. He had no pace and was unable to beat his man. He can't take penalties. He refused to stay wide right giving the team much needed width because he had to be the centre of things culminating in his role in Belfast and the debacle that was. His ego was divisive, hogging the limelight and undermining the team ethic.
As for him giving a 100% then you obviously missed Euro 2004 where his performances were even more than his usual inept but also lacksidasical. Of course lets not forget 1998 and 2002 where had already been the primary reason we were knocked out.
Bentley has already shown himself to be a more gifted footballer and it is time to build for the future. Go back to LALA land Becks. He doesn't love his country the only thing he loves is himself and the role England has played in his image.
Time these wasters need a kick where it hurts and to give out a cap for charity is the wrong message at the wrong time.
Exactly what has DB achieved for England, other than being slightly less cr*p than the rest.
Very over rated and only wants the cap for his inflated ego.
Move on.
I echo that as well. He should not receive his 100th cap. He is a joke.
He never was a particularly gifted footballer. He had no pace and was unable to beat his man. He can't take penalties. He refused to stay wide right giving the team much needed width because he had to be the centre of things culminating in his role in Belfast and the debacle that was. His ego was divisive, hogging the limelight and undermining the team ethic.
As for him giving a 100% then you obviously missed Euro 2004 where his performances were even more than his usual inept but also lacksidasical. Of course lets not forget 1998 and 2002 where had already been the primary reason we were knocked out.
Bentley has already shown himself to be a more gifted footballer and it is time to build for the future. Go back to LALA land Becks. He doesn't love his country the only thing he loves is himself and the role England has played in his image.
long ball man
30-01-2008, 10:00
Make him a late sub to win the 100th cap and then say thank-you very much David. Enjoy your retirement
Wolv3nsam
30-01-2008, 10:00
Beckham epitomises what every England player should possess. He loves his country, he loves playing for it and every time he does play for England he plays with passion and commitment for the shirt.
At Madrid he could have thrown his toys out of the pram when he was dropped due to agreeing to sign for LA Galaxy, but instead he got his head down and he worked. He wasn't even allowed to train with the first team but he still managed to get his way back into the starting line-up and what a difference he made when he did. Could you see someone like Rooney doing that? No they'd stick two fingers up and say "Screw you".
Fair play to him.
At Madrid he could have thrown his toys out of the pram when he was dropped due to agreeing to sign for LA Galaxy, but instead he got his head down and he worked. He wasn't even allowed to train with the first team but he still managed to get his way back into the starting line-up and what a difference he made when he did. Could you see someone like Rooney doing that? No they'd stick two fingers up and say "Screw you".
Fair play to him.
Bend It Like Dennison
30-01-2008, 10:59
Beckham epitomises what every England player should possess. He loves his country, he loves playing for it and every time he does play for England he plays with passion and commitment for the shirt.
At Madrid he could have thrown his toys out of the pram when he was dropped due to agreeing to sign for LA Galaxy, but instead he got his head down and he worked. He wasn't even allowed to train with the first team but he still managed to get his way back into the starting line-up and what a difference he made when he did. Could you see someone like Rooney doing that? No they'd stick two fingers up and say "Screw you".
Fair play to him.
Agree completely.
No. 7 & Simmo are having a laugh.
David ****ing Bentley?? What, THE David Bentley who refused to go to an international tournement for his country coz he was 'tired'?? :confused::mad:
Yes, thats just the kind of 3 Loins on our shirt pride we need isnt it, you mug.
At Madrid he could have thrown his toys out of the pram when he was dropped due to agreeing to sign for LA Galaxy, but instead he got his head down and he worked. He wasn't even allowed to train with the first team but he still managed to get his way back into the starting line-up and what a difference he made when he did. Could you see someone like Rooney doing that? No they'd stick two fingers up and say "Screw you".
Fair play to him.
Agree completely.
No. 7 & Simmo are having a laugh.
David ****ing Bentley?? What, THE David Bentley who refused to go to an international tournement for his country coz he was 'tired'?? :confused::mad:
Yes, thats just the kind of 3 Loins on our shirt pride we need isnt it, you mug.
Mutchy
30-01-2008, 11:06
Yes, thats just the kind of 3 Loins on our shirt pride we need isnt it, you mug.
Might attract a few more female fans....:D
Might attract a few more female fans....:D
Templeton Peck
30-01-2008, 11:42
Only Wright, Shilton, Moore and Charlton have more than 100 caps and thats not a group to which Beckham deserves to belong. More often that not Beckham has been ordinairy or poor save for a few exceptional performances every so often.
98 - sent off and changed the game
2002 - poor and injured - shouldn't have been there
2004 - dreadful and cost us win against France
2006 - poor again although his free kick got us past Ecuador
Beckhams best games came against Greece home and away and against Estonia and Croatia recently. He won't be around in 2 years time and if we are to build a team for the world cup we need to look at Bentley, Lennon and Wright-Phillips.
98 - sent off and changed the game
2002 - poor and injured - shouldn't have been there
2004 - dreadful and cost us win against France
2006 - poor again although his free kick got us past Ecuador
Beckhams best games came against Greece home and away and against Estonia and Croatia recently. He won't be around in 2 years time and if we are to build a team for the world cup we need to look at Bentley, Lennon and Wright-Phillips.
Ettingshall Wolf
30-01-2008, 11:47
He won't be around in 2 years time and if we are to build a team for the world cup we need to look at Bentley, Lennon and Wright-Phillips.
Why wont he be around in 2 years? If he stays fit and is in good form, how do you know Capello wont still have him in the England Squad?
Why wont he be around in 2 years? If he stays fit and is in good form, how do you know Capello wont still have him in the England Squad?
EasternWolf
30-01-2008, 11:53
David is a really good player, a thoroughly decent bloke and a credit to English football. I am old enough to remember Billy Wright getting his 100th cap and exactly the same was said about him at the time. Having said that, he deserves to be in the side on merit.
I read some of your comments and am ashamed that some of you are English.
Having said that, you treat some Wolves players with the same disregard, so i shouldn't be surprised.
Ashley Young my $$$$. Beckham shouldcontinue to play until Michael Kightly is fit and ready to take over
I read some of your comments and am ashamed that some of you are English.
Having said that, you treat some Wolves players with the same disregard, so i shouldn't be surprised.
Ashley Young my $$$$. Beckham shouldcontinue to play until Michael Kightly is fit and ready to take over
Mr Zuki
30-01-2008, 11:53
Only Wright, Shilton, Moore and Charlton have more than 100 caps and thats not a group to which Beckham deserves to belong. More often that not Beckham has been ordinairy or poor save for a few exceptional performances every so often.
98 - sent off and changed the game
2002 - poor and injured - shouldn't have been there
2004 - dreadful and cost us win against France
2006 - poor again although his free kick got us past Ecuador
Beckhams best games came against Greece home and away and against Estonia and Croatia recently. He won't be around in 2 years time and if we are to build a team for the world cup we need to look at Bentley, Lennon and Wright-Phillips.
I pretty much completely disagree:
98 - He was around 20 surely his youth excuses him that one?
02 - Hardly his fault he was injured
04 - He wasn't at his best but what player is all the time?
06 - He was unfit but still did all he could to lift his own play and that of the team.
I personally think he'll come back to England soon and will be around in two years time.
Bentley - doesn't look good enough for me and has already shown a lack of commitment to the cause.
Lennon - fast but just runs up blind alleys a la Tony Daley
Wright-Phillips - Never was and never will be International class he simply can't put in a decent cross
98 - sent off and changed the game
2002 - poor and injured - shouldn't have been there
2004 - dreadful and cost us win against France
2006 - poor again although his free kick got us past Ecuador
Beckhams best games came against Greece home and away and against Estonia and Croatia recently. He won't be around in 2 years time and if we are to build a team for the world cup we need to look at Bentley, Lennon and Wright-Phillips.
I pretty much completely disagree:
98 - He was around 20 surely his youth excuses him that one?
02 - Hardly his fault he was injured
04 - He wasn't at his best but what player is all the time?
06 - He was unfit but still did all he could to lift his own play and that of the team.
I personally think he'll come back to England soon and will be around in two years time.
Bentley - doesn't look good enough for me and has already shown a lack of commitment to the cause.
Lennon - fast but just runs up blind alleys a la Tony Daley
Wright-Phillips - Never was and never will be International class he simply can't put in a decent cross
No. 7 George Bowen
30-01-2008, 12:04
Agree completely.
No. 7 & Simmo are having a laugh.
David ****ing Bentley?? What, THE David Bentley who refused to go to an international tournement for his country coz he was 'tired'?? :confused::mad:
Yes, thats just the kind of 3 Loins on our shirt pride we need isnt it, you mug.
I pretty much completely disagree:
98 - He was around 20 surely his youth excuses him that one?
02 - Hardly his fault he was injured
04 - He wasn't at his best but what player is all the time?
06 - He was unfit but still did all he could to lift his own play and that of the team.
I personally think he'll come back to England soon and will be around in two years time.
Bentley - doesn't look good enough for me and has already shown a lack of commitment to the cause.
Lennon - fast but just runs up blind alleys a la Tony Daley
Wright-Phillips - Never was and never will be International class he simply can't put in a decent cross
You two obviously don't know anyone or have any family who have played proffesional football. Alot of ex-players have problems when they are older and this is largely due to the result of overplaying when it isn't caused by a serious injury.
Bentley was quite right to have prioritised his health, his employers and the Blackburn fans who pay his wages. BR's PL campaign, UEFA cup challenge and the Euros were far more important than an U-21 tournament.
Bentley is absolute class and it is a joy to watch him play. He comments in public also reveal him to be one of the few English footballers with a brain, a relief from the Rio Ferdinands of this world. Beckham has now found his level at his age in LA and the fact people who are backing him to play at the next world cup are just revealing thier own delusions. Thank fully Capello is too smart to entertain such thoughts. If he does play he won't ever again play for England afterwards.
No. 7 & Simmo are having a laugh.
David ****ing Bentley?? What, THE David Bentley who refused to go to an international tournement for his country coz he was 'tired'?? :confused::mad:
Yes, thats just the kind of 3 Loins on our shirt pride we need isnt it, you mug.
I pretty much completely disagree:
98 - He was around 20 surely his youth excuses him that one?
02 - Hardly his fault he was injured
04 - He wasn't at his best but what player is all the time?
06 - He was unfit but still did all he could to lift his own play and that of the team.
I personally think he'll come back to England soon and will be around in two years time.
Bentley - doesn't look good enough for me and has already shown a lack of commitment to the cause.
Lennon - fast but just runs up blind alleys a la Tony Daley
Wright-Phillips - Never was and never will be International class he simply can't put in a decent cross
You two obviously don't know anyone or have any family who have played proffesional football. Alot of ex-players have problems when they are older and this is largely due to the result of overplaying when it isn't caused by a serious injury.
Bentley was quite right to have prioritised his health, his employers and the Blackburn fans who pay his wages. BR's PL campaign, UEFA cup challenge and the Euros were far more important than an U-21 tournament.
Bentley is absolute class and it is a joy to watch him play. He comments in public also reveal him to be one of the few English footballers with a brain, a relief from the Rio Ferdinands of this world. Beckham has now found his level at his age in LA and the fact people who are backing him to play at the next world cup are just revealing thier own delusions. Thank fully Capello is too smart to entertain such thoughts. If he does play he won't ever again play for England afterwards.
Ettingshall Wolf
30-01-2008, 12:27
Beckham has now found his level at his age in LA and the fact people who are backing him to play at the next world cup are just revealing thier own delusions. Thank fully Capello is too smart to entertain such thoughts. If he does play he won't ever again play for England afterwards.
Its not delusional to think Beckham might feature in the England setup in the coming years. He looked good when McClaren finally brought him back into the England fold last year. Im all for bringing through youth, but sometimes you need experienced players too.
And you're obviously very close to Capello to know Beckham wont ever get his 101st cap
Its not delusional to think Beckham might feature in the England setup in the coming years. He looked good when McClaren finally brought him back into the England fold last year. Im all for bringing through youth, but sometimes you need experienced players too.
And you're obviously very close to Capello to know Beckham wont ever get his 101st cap
DoomWolf
30-01-2008, 12:31
He only wants his 100th cap so he can bring out a commemorative DVD and a range of 'Beckham 100' merchandise and clothing to make him even more money.
fenella
30-01-2008, 12:40
Bentley was quite right to have prioritised his health, his employers and the Blackburn fans who pay his wages. BR's PL campaign, UEFA cup challenge and the Euros were far more important than an U-21 tournament.
It really annoyed me at the time, but now I have to agree with you. I reckon its actually better for the full England team to rest young players in the summer rather than make them play for the U-21s. I can see why Championship players like Kightly benefit from the U-21s experience, but what do Premiership players gain from it, they're getting all the experience they need at club level? Maybe its time the U-21s were scrapped altogether?
It really annoyed me at the time, but now I have to agree with you. I reckon its actually better for the full England team to rest young players in the summer rather than make them play for the U-21s. I can see why Championship players like Kightly benefit from the U-21s experience, but what do Premiership players gain from it, they're getting all the experience they need at club level? Maybe its time the U-21s were scrapped altogether?
No. 7 George Bowen
30-01-2008, 13:09
The U21s has its place but lets not exagerate it, like you say more useful for some than others. Bentley should have already been promoted to the full squad. Add in that potentially he would have had to play a tournament the next summer as well after a long season (Euros, UEFA cup) and he made the right choice. Not surprised that unlike Agbonlahor he had the guts to state his reasons and not fake an injury.
Beckham plays in the US out of greed and the fact no big team was interested. Now imagine the Europe wide scramble if Bentley was available on a free. Thats the difference.
Beckham plays in the US out of greed and the fact no big team was interested. Now imagine the Europe wide scramble if Bentley was available on a free. Thats the difference.
big-blue-wolf
30-01-2008, 13:11
Just imagine if it was 'our Robbie' or 'our Joleon' in the same situation as Beckham being on 99 caps.
I bet most of the idiots on here would want them to get their 100th cap.
I bet most of the idiots on here would want them to get their 100th cap.
Mutchy
30-01-2008, 13:18
Just imagine if it was 'our Robbie' or 'our Joleon' in the same situation as Beckham being on 99 caps.
I bet most of the idiots on here would want them to get their 100th cap.
Hmm, Highlander would tell you to stop discussing them...:rolleyes:
I bet most of the idiots on here would want them to get their 100th cap.
Hmm, Highlander would tell you to stop discussing them...:rolleyes:
Wolv3nsam
30-01-2008, 13:19
I don't understand why so many England fans have anything against Beckham. He plays with more passion and pride for England than most of the squad put together (Gerrard perhaps the only exception).
big-blue-wolf
30-01-2008, 13:21
Hmm, Highlander would tell you to stop discussing them...:rolleyes:
I tried but its MANDATORY to start a new thread or at least mention them every few hours - especially if they fart! :p
I tried but its MANDATORY to start a new thread or at least mention them every few hours - especially if they fart! :p
Templeton Peck
30-01-2008, 13:35
I pretty much completely disagree:
98 - He was around 20 surely his youth excuses him that one? Maybe
02 - Hardly his fault he was injured Sven shouldn't have picked him but he still didn't play well injured or not. He should have the good grace to pull out for the good of the team
04 - He wasn't at his best but what player is all the time?Fine but he still didn't play well
06 - He was unfit but still did all he could to lift his own play and that of the team.See 2002
I personally think he'll come back to England soon and will be around in two years time.
Bentley - doesn't look good enough for me and has already shown a lack of commitment to the cause.
Lennon - fast but just runs up blind alleys a la Tony Daley
Wright-Phillips - Never was and never will be International class he simply can't put in a decent cross
The merits of his successors are another debate entirely but there is a myth about Beckham that he was some kind of England legend - he wasn't. When it really mattered at tournament level Beckham went missing. Fair play he got us through some qualifiers but to suggest that that merits a place alongside the likes of Shilton and Charlton is madness.
98 - He was around 20 surely his youth excuses him that one? Maybe
02 - Hardly his fault he was injured Sven shouldn't have picked him but he still didn't play well injured or not. He should have the good grace to pull out for the good of the team
04 - He wasn't at his best but what player is all the time?Fine but he still didn't play well
06 - He was unfit but still did all he could to lift his own play and that of the team.See 2002
I personally think he'll come back to England soon and will be around in two years time.
Bentley - doesn't look good enough for me and has already shown a lack of commitment to the cause.
Lennon - fast but just runs up blind alleys a la Tony Daley
Wright-Phillips - Never was and never will be International class he simply can't put in a decent cross
The merits of his successors are another debate entirely but there is a myth about Beckham that he was some kind of England legend - he wasn't. When it really mattered at tournament level Beckham went missing. Fair play he got us through some qualifiers but to suggest that that merits a place alongside the likes of Shilton and Charlton is madness.
RoffeyWolf
30-01-2008, 13:56
You two obviously don't know anyone or have any family who have played proffesional football. Alot of ex-players have problems when they are older and this is largely due to the result of overplaying when it isn't caused by a serious injury.....
Bentley was quite right to have prioritised his health, his employers and the Blackburn fans who pay his wages. .....
He comments in public also reveal him to be one of the few English footballers with a brain....
If all this is true why did he drop out when it was too late to call up a replacement....he is a class A prat.
Bentley was quite right to have prioritised his health, his employers and the Blackburn fans who pay his wages. .....
He comments in public also reveal him to be one of the few English footballers with a brain....
If all this is true why did he drop out when it was too late to call up a replacement....he is a class A prat.
HIGHLANDER
30-01-2008, 14:04
I echo that as well. He should not receive his 100th cap. He is a joke.
He never was a particularly gifted footballer. He had no pace and was unable to beat his man. He can't take penalties. He refused to stay wide right giving the team much needed width because he had to be the centre of things culminating in his role in Belfast and the debacle that was. His ego was divisive, hogging the limelight and undermining the team ethic.
As for him giving a 100% then you obviously missed Euro 2004 where his performances were even more than his usual inept but also lacksidasical. Of course lets not forget 1998 and 2002 where had already been the primary reason we were knocked out.
Bentley has already shown himself to be a more gifted footballer and it is time to build for the future. Go back to LALA land Becks. He doesn't love his country the only thing he loves is himself and the role England has played in his image.Spot on, I've got nothing more to add.
He never was a particularly gifted footballer. He had no pace and was unable to beat his man. He can't take penalties. He refused to stay wide right giving the team much needed width because he had to be the centre of things culminating in his role in Belfast and the debacle that was. His ego was divisive, hogging the limelight and undermining the team ethic.
As for him giving a 100% then you obviously missed Euro 2004 where his performances were even more than his usual inept but also lacksidasical. Of course lets not forget 1998 and 2002 where had already been the primary reason we were knocked out.
Bentley has already shown himself to be a more gifted footballer and it is time to build for the future. Go back to LALA land Becks. He doesn't love his country the only thing he loves is himself and the role England has played in his image.Spot on, I've got nothing more to add.
fenella
30-01-2008, 14:05
The merits of his successors are another debate entirely but there is a myth about Beckham that he was some kind of England legend - he wasn't. When it really mattered at tournament level Beckham went missing.
I think he's a legend in some respects. I'm proud of the fact that the most famous and popular footballer in the world is English. But like many other England legends (Robson, Keegan, Bull & Gascoigne), you can't help but look back on their international careers with a sense of sadness, of not quite making it. Robson walking out of the World Cup with his arm in a sling, Keegan's struggle in Spain, Bull punching Gary Linekar, Gascoigne's tears.
All I really ask as a football fan is that I'm entertained, and I've really enjoyed watching Beckham over the years. I'd love to see him win his 100th cap. I'm sure that in every other country in the world, a player like Beckham would be celebrated. But in England we have to knock him and call him crap, overrated and greedy. I hate that about the English.
I think he's a legend in some respects. I'm proud of the fact that the most famous and popular footballer in the world is English. But like many other England legends (Robson, Keegan, Bull & Gascoigne), you can't help but look back on their international careers with a sense of sadness, of not quite making it. Robson walking out of the World Cup with his arm in a sling, Keegan's struggle in Spain, Bull punching Gary Linekar, Gascoigne's tears.
All I really ask as a football fan is that I'm entertained, and I've really enjoyed watching Beckham over the years. I'd love to see him win his 100th cap. I'm sure that in every other country in the world, a player like Beckham would be celebrated. But in England we have to knock him and call him crap, overrated and greedy. I hate that about the English.
Templeton Peck
30-01-2008, 14:14
I think he's a legend in some respects. I'm proud of the fact that the most famous and popular footballer in the world is English. Based on what though? Talent or good looks and a famous wife?But like many other England legends (Robson, Keegan, Bull & Gascoigne), you can't help but look back on their international careers with a sense of sadness, of not quite making it. Robson walking out of the World Cup with his arm in a sling, Keegan's struggle in Spain, Bull punching Gary Linekar, Gascoigne's tears.
All I really ask as a football fan is that I'm entertained, and I've really enjoyed watching Beckham over the years.So have I - in the games that he has been effective in. I'd love to see him win his 100th cap. I'm sure that in every other country in the world, a player like Beckham would be celebrated.He has been overcelebrated IMHO to the point of Messiah status which is why he was taken to tournaments when not fit. Would this happen in other countries? But in England we have to knock him and call him crapNobody could say that, overrated and greedyHe is greedy. I hate that about the English.
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All I really ask as a football fan is that I'm entertained, and I've really enjoyed watching Beckham over the years.So have I - in the games that he has been effective in. I'd love to see him win his 100th cap. I'm sure that in every other country in the world, a player like Beckham would be celebrated.He has been overcelebrated IMHO to the point of Messiah status which is why he was taken to tournaments when not fit. Would this happen in other countries? But in England we have to knock him and call him crapNobody could say that, overrated and greedyHe is greedy. I hate that about the English.
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HIGHLANDER
30-01-2008, 14:28
Hmm, Highlander would tell you to stop discussing them...:rolleyes:
I tried but its MANDATORY to start a new thread or at least mention them every few hours - especially if they fart! :pI hope that you're not another one of our fans that wander around their local pub telling everybody that Robbie used to play for Wolves everytime Spurs are on TV!!!!
Hopefully one of these days Wolves will get promoted and our young starstruck fans will not need to do it anymore.
I tried but its MANDATORY to start a new thread or at least mention them every few hours - especially if they fart! :pI hope that you're not another one of our fans that wander around their local pub telling everybody that Robbie used to play for Wolves everytime Spurs are on TV!!!!
Hopefully one of these days Wolves will get promoted and our young starstruck fans will not need to do it anymore.
big-blue-wolf
30-01-2008, 22:32
I hope that you're not another one of our fans that wander around their local pub telling everybody that Robbie used to play for Wolves everytime Spurs are on TV!!!!
No definitely not, in fact I'm sick of all the ex-Wolves players threads that keep springing up
young .... fans
Nice of you to call me young. No one has told me I'm young since I turned 40 a few years ago.
No definitely not, in fact I'm sick of all the ex-Wolves players threads that keep springing up
young .... fans
Nice of you to call me young. No one has told me I'm young since I turned 40 a few years ago.
HIGHLANDER
30-01-2008, 22:44
No definitely not, in fact I'm sick of all the ex-Wolves players threads that keep springing up
Nice of you to call me young. No one has told me I'm young since I turned 40 a few years ago.
Good on yer
Nice of you to call me young. No one has told me I'm young since I turned 40 a few years ago.
Good on yer
Wolv3nsam
31-01-2008, 11:22
According to Sky Sports News David Beckham has been left out of Fabio Capello's England squad.
Looks like Capello is going to build a 'younger' England squad.. this may be time for Bentley to step up to the plate?
Looks like Capello is going to build a 'younger' England squad.. this may be time for Bentley to step up to the plate?
Jonzy54
31-01-2008, 11:36
According to Sky Sports News David Beckham has been left out of Fabio Capello's England squad.
Looks like Capello is going to build a 'younger' England squad.. this may be time for Bentley to step up to the plate?
Hope you are right but he will no doubt include, Sol and Phil Neville. If either are included I shall scream!
Looks like Capello is going to build a 'younger' England squad.. this may be time for Bentley to step up to the plate?
Hope you are right but he will no doubt include, Sol and Phil Neville. If either are included I shall scream!
axlerod
31-01-2008, 11:43
Giving Beckham a token run out in a friendly game might actually earn Capello a few brownie points with England fans and the media.
More worrying for him is the paucity of home grown talent to develop a decent England team.
More worrying for him is the paucity of home grown talent to develop a decent England team.
Woburn Wolf
31-01-2008, 11:47
Towards the end of the qualifying campaign when he was brought back, I'd say he was the best player in an England shirt! Always plays with passion and commitment which is more than you get from the rets of the team and still has something to offer the national team as I don't think Wright-Phillips or Lennon are good enough and he'd be a fantastic role model for Ashley Young who will replace him on the right I reckon
I'd rather see David Bentley on the right.
I'd rather see David Bentley on the right.
Space Wolf
31-01-2008, 12:04
If I was Beckham then I'd want to achieve my 100th cap because I deserved it, not just because it would be nice to reach the milestone.
He's clearly not match fit. Right choice to leave him out.
He's clearly not match fit. Right choice to leave him out.
Muscat
31-01-2008, 12:09
I see it as Capello stamping his authority and suggesting he won't be influenced by pressure or sentiment. This is a good thing as far as I'm concerned.
The Bear
31-01-2008, 12:34
I see it as Capello stamping his authority and suggesting he won't be influenced by pressure or sentiment. This is a good thing as far as I'm concerned.
McLarenLite.
He'll be back in the squad for the next friendly.
McLarenLite.
He'll be back in the squad for the next friendly.
HIGHLANDER
31-01-2008, 20:37
I hear Beckam has thrown his toys out of the pram and has pulled out of a charity function tonight which he was supposed to have been presenting, and flown back to the United States on hearing that he wouldn't be earning his 100th cap..
I fully agree with Capello's decision to leave Beckham out of the squad, he's 100% right to sweep aside sentiment. Seeing the last competitive game Beckham played in was back in November, how can he be match fit/sharp when he hasn't played in a proper game for 2 months.? Beckham decided to move out to the States for the Hollywood glitzy lifestyle, money, and to enhance 'brand Beckham', the chances are that if Beckham had been playing for a European team and had been fit he would have made the squad and reached the magic milestone. I have no pity for him whatsoever, he can't have things both ways.
I had to laugh this afternoon. I was listening to a football phone-in and loads of fans that had bought tickets for Next weeks game were absolutely furious that he wasn't playing. It seemed as though that the only reason that they had purchased tickets was to witness the Beckham circus.
I fully agree with Capello's decision to leave Beckham out of the squad, he's 100% right to sweep aside sentiment. Seeing the last competitive game Beckham played in was back in November, how can he be match fit/sharp when he hasn't played in a proper game for 2 months.? Beckham decided to move out to the States for the Hollywood glitzy lifestyle, money, and to enhance 'brand Beckham', the chances are that if Beckham had been playing for a European team and had been fit he would have made the squad and reached the magic milestone. I have no pity for him whatsoever, he can't have things both ways.
I had to laugh this afternoon. I was listening to a football phone-in and loads of fans that had bought tickets for Next weeks game were absolutely furious that he wasn't playing. It seemed as though that the only reason that they had purchased tickets was to witness the Beckham circus.
Flitwick Wolf
01-02-2008, 10:07
I had to laugh this afternoon. I was listening to a football phone-in and loads of fans that had bought tickets for Next weeks game were absolutely furious that he wasn't playing. It seemed as though that the only reason that they had purchased tickets was to witness the Beckham circus.
I think it's more to do with the fact that it's a $$$$e mid-week friendly that means naff all. Fans from all over the country will travel down to Wembley to watch this but the fact that Beckham was expected to get his 100th cap was a major pull.
He ain't now so fans are now looking at whether it's worth travelling miles to watch a pointless friendly in February.
We'd all be the same. If Wolves were having a midweek friendly against Plymouth away and Steve Bull was going to don the shirt, they'd be ten of thousands trying to go. If he pulled out for some reason, would you still go? Doubt it.
I'm reconsidering going to the game as I have a $$$$ load of stuff to do and now have no real urge to go.
I think it's more to do with the fact that it's a $$$$e mid-week friendly that means naff all. Fans from all over the country will travel down to Wembley to watch this but the fact that Beckham was expected to get his 100th cap was a major pull.
He ain't now so fans are now looking at whether it's worth travelling miles to watch a pointless friendly in February.
We'd all be the same. If Wolves were having a midweek friendly against Plymouth away and Steve Bull was going to don the shirt, they'd be ten of thousands trying to go. If he pulled out for some reason, would you still go? Doubt it.
I'm reconsidering going to the game as I have a $$$$ load of stuff to do and now have no real urge to go.
HIGHLANDER
01-02-2008, 10:19
I think it's more to do with the fact that it's a $$$$e mid-week friendly that means naff all. Fans from all over the country will travel down to Wembley to watch this but the fact that Beckham was expected to get his 100th cap was a major pull.
He ain't now so fans are now looking at whether it's worth travelling miles to watch a pointless friendly in February.
We'd all be the same. If Wolves were having a midweek friendly against Plymouth away and Steve Bull was going to don the shirt, they'd be ten of thousands trying to go. If he pulled out for some reason, would you still go? Doubt it.
I'm reconsidering going to the game as I have a $$$$ load of stuff to do and now have no real urge to go.So you agree with me then?
He ain't now so fans are now looking at whether it's worth travelling miles to watch a pointless friendly in February.
We'd all be the same. If Wolves were having a midweek friendly against Plymouth away and Steve Bull was going to don the shirt, they'd be ten of thousands trying to go. If he pulled out for some reason, would you still go? Doubt it.
I'm reconsidering going to the game as I have a $$$$ load of stuff to do and now have no real urge to go.So you agree with me then?
Flitwick Wolf
01-02-2008, 10:42
To an extent, yes. It's not the only reason many are going but it was a certianly a massive incentive.
reanswolf
01-02-2008, 10:45
It amazes me how the Beckham issue splits people 50-50.
I accept that he has given his all for England, and that he has scored vital goals and has certain excellent qualities in specific footballing areas. But his severe limitations in other areas of his game will always prevent him from being a great or a legend IMO. If he is not good enough or fit enough now he should not play on compassionate grounds. JR got just one England cap on merit. Alex Rae dreamed of getting a Scotland cap. So it cheapens it to allow a player to get one just to make a circus occasion (which it would be). I am sure he will get his 100th at some stage anyway.
For me, this status he clearly enjoys is all superficial - he does not really care about England anymore than Sir Jack does. You have to live, eat and breathe a place to love it IMO. And the fact that he wants to make USA a world football / soccer leader says it all to me. Imagine if he succeeded in making the game huge there, god it would be awful with them winning things all the time. If he had gone to Germany and stated that he wanted to make the game great there he would have been vilified by the simpletons who worship him. To me USA and Becks are well suited and they can keep him.
So ss for being a cult figure, well that's your choice, I certainly dont see him as being a role model with all his tattoos on his neck etc, and if he wasn't so fanciable to women, I suspect he would not be seen as such a role model anyway.
But returning to his footballing abilities, he has played most of his career at top clubs, I think a measure of true footballing ability is seeing how good a player is when he is not surrounded by other great players - does the ability still shine through then. That is why Bully deeserves more credit than becks and Rooney even, who know that week in week out they lookk better than they really are because they are playing in a team of great players against a team of inferior players. When they come to England games, they can be distinctly average because it is more of a level playing field.
Having said all that, altho I do not lik ehim as a person or a celebrity, I have no desire to see him not to get his 100th cap, but all this $$$$$$about him loving England is ridiculous cos actions speak louder than words.
I accept that he has given his all for England, and that he has scored vital goals and has certain excellent qualities in specific footballing areas. But his severe limitations in other areas of his game will always prevent him from being a great or a legend IMO. If he is not good enough or fit enough now he should not play on compassionate grounds. JR got just one England cap on merit. Alex Rae dreamed of getting a Scotland cap. So it cheapens it to allow a player to get one just to make a circus occasion (which it would be). I am sure he will get his 100th at some stage anyway.
For me, this status he clearly enjoys is all superficial - he does not really care about England anymore than Sir Jack does. You have to live, eat and breathe a place to love it IMO. And the fact that he wants to make USA a world football / soccer leader says it all to me. Imagine if he succeeded in making the game huge there, god it would be awful with them winning things all the time. If he had gone to Germany and stated that he wanted to make the game great there he would have been vilified by the simpletons who worship him. To me USA and Becks are well suited and they can keep him.
So ss for being a cult figure, well that's your choice, I certainly dont see him as being a role model with all his tattoos on his neck etc, and if he wasn't so fanciable to women, I suspect he would not be seen as such a role model anyway.
But returning to his footballing abilities, he has played most of his career at top clubs, I think a measure of true footballing ability is seeing how good a player is when he is not surrounded by other great players - does the ability still shine through then. That is why Bully deeserves more credit than becks and Rooney even, who know that week in week out they lookk better than they really are because they are playing in a team of great players against a team of inferior players. When they come to England games, they can be distinctly average because it is more of a level playing field.
Having said all that, altho I do not lik ehim as a person or a celebrity, I have no desire to see him not to get his 100th cap, but all this $$$$$$about him loving England is ridiculous cos actions speak louder than words.
Waggy's Boots
01-02-2008, 10:59
I think that when he decided to play Pub football in the USA for a huge payment he effectively accepted money ahead of his footballing status.
If he had wanted to continue on towards his 100 caps and go out in style, he could have played in the premiership or indeed pretty much any european league of his choice for a good club.
He chose not to do that and just because Mclaren was so inept (and unlucky) he was forced to recall him and he moved a few more caps closer to 100. In my view he is fortunate to be on 99 and Capello's decision allows him to pick his squad on merit and not based on sentiment - sentiment which is driven by brand Beckham promotions in the press rather than his football.
If he had wanted to continue on towards his 100 caps and go out in style, he could have played in the premiership or indeed pretty much any european league of his choice for a good club.
He chose not to do that and just because Mclaren was so inept (and unlucky) he was forced to recall him and he moved a few more caps closer to 100. In my view he is fortunate to be on 99 and Capello's decision allows him to pick his squad on merit and not based on sentiment - sentiment which is driven by brand Beckham promotions in the press rather than his football.
Famous Grouch
01-02-2008, 12:46
I agree with the last few posts. Beckham has been a fine player for England, United and Madrid but his decision to play in America signalled he had no further serious footballing ambitions and he has got what he asked for. Handing him a sentimental cap devalues all the ones who have gone before.
Langdale Wolf
01-02-2008, 13:05
Looking at the squad, Capello has done exactly the right thing. 'Meaningless' friendly or not, it is a game the new manager wants to win. It's not a testimonial game. To win football matches, you play what you believe to be the best team. Beckham may have kept himself fit by training with Arsenal, but it's no substitute for playing competitive Premier League/FA Cup/Champions League games week in week out.
Capello has NEVER said he won't play Beckham. If I were DB, I'd get my head down, keep fit, get ready for the new MLS season and make the manager aware that he's good enough and fit enough to play for his country. Personally, if he was playing every week, I'd pick him.
As for his attitude - all England players should look at his passion and desire to play for his country. Idiots like Carragher disgust me with their "I'm not the number one CB so I'm not playing, I'm taking my toys away and you can't stop me so there" attitude. They don't DESERVE their chance. Beckham has constantly said that he would always be available to play for his country.
It shows passion. He hasn't shown fitness. When he has both, get him in. They should be the two most BASIC attributes to play for your country and I hope Capello makes damn sure that EVERY MEMBER of his squad show these and don't just want to play for a few more ££££££'s and a brand new designer tracksuit..
Capello has NEVER said he won't play Beckham. If I were DB, I'd get my head down, keep fit, get ready for the new MLS season and make the manager aware that he's good enough and fit enough to play for his country. Personally, if he was playing every week, I'd pick him.
As for his attitude - all England players should look at his passion and desire to play for his country. Idiots like Carragher disgust me with their "I'm not the number one CB so I'm not playing, I'm taking my toys away and you can't stop me so there" attitude. They don't DESERVE their chance. Beckham has constantly said that he would always be available to play for his country.
It shows passion. He hasn't shown fitness. When he has both, get him in. They should be the two most BASIC attributes to play for your country and I hope Capello makes damn sure that EVERY MEMBER of his squad show these and don't just want to play for a few more ££££££'s and a brand new designer tracksuit..
Famous Grouch
01-02-2008, 13:13
If you have time read the Robbo column today on BBC Sport website on the Beckham situation. Class.
Langdale Wolf
01-02-2008, 16:05
If you have time read the Robbo column today on BBC Sport website on the Beckham situation. Class.
Absolutely brilliant read!!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A31857456
Absolutely brilliant read!!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A31857456
jonesey85
01-02-2008, 18:07
Looking at the squad, Capello has done exactly the right thing. 'Meaningless' friendly or not, it is a game the new manager wants to win. It's not a testimonial game. To win football matches, you play what you believe to be the best team. Beckham may have kept himself fit by training with Arsenal, but it's no substitute for playing competitive Premier League/FA Cup/Champions League games week in week out.
Capello has NEVER said he won't play Beckham. If I were DB, I'd get my head down, keep fit, get ready for the new MLS season and make the manager aware that he's good enough and fit enough to play for his country. Personally, if he was playing every week, I'd pick him.
As for his attitude - all England players should look at his passion and desire to play for his country. Idiots like Carragher disgust me with their "I'm not the number one CB so I'm not playing, I'm taking my toys away and you can't stop me so there" attitude. They don't DESERVE their chance. Beckham has constantly said that he would always be available to play for his country.
It shows passion. He hasn't shown fitness. When he has both, get him in. They should be the two most BASIC attributes to play for your country and I hope Capello makes damn sure that EVERY MEMBER of his squad show these and don't just want to play for a few more ££££££'s and a brand new designer tracksuit..
Spot on post there.
Beckham, along with Gazza is the most iconic England figurehead in my time, (Lineker was a bit late for me) and I think he is a marvellous player, an all time favourite.
However, you cant get away with not playing since november and expect an England call up. It was his choice to go to USA and he knew the advantages and disadvantages that go with it.
I fully expect Beckham to earn a call up in the future, there is still time, and he can still do the business as he proved a couple of months ago.
If not, then what an occasion a match just for Beckham (like a testimonial) would be. A charity friendly where Beckham can earn his 100th cap in a celebration of all he has done for the game both home and abroad. This would be in the case of a "goodbye" scenario though, i.e. he announced his retirement.
What does anybody else think? I think he is fully worthy of such an occasion personally.
Capello has NEVER said he won't play Beckham. If I were DB, I'd get my head down, keep fit, get ready for the new MLS season and make the manager aware that he's good enough and fit enough to play for his country. Personally, if he was playing every week, I'd pick him.
As for his attitude - all England players should look at his passion and desire to play for his country. Idiots like Carragher disgust me with their "I'm not the number one CB so I'm not playing, I'm taking my toys away and you can't stop me so there" attitude. They don't DESERVE their chance. Beckham has constantly said that he would always be available to play for his country.
It shows passion. He hasn't shown fitness. When he has both, get him in. They should be the two most BASIC attributes to play for your country and I hope Capello makes damn sure that EVERY MEMBER of his squad show these and don't just want to play for a few more ££££££'s and a brand new designer tracksuit..
Spot on post there.
Beckham, along with Gazza is the most iconic England figurehead in my time, (Lineker was a bit late for me) and I think he is a marvellous player, an all time favourite.
However, you cant get away with not playing since november and expect an England call up. It was his choice to go to USA and he knew the advantages and disadvantages that go with it.
I fully expect Beckham to earn a call up in the future, there is still time, and he can still do the business as he proved a couple of months ago.
If not, then what an occasion a match just for Beckham (like a testimonial) would be. A charity friendly where Beckham can earn his 100th cap in a celebration of all he has done for the game both home and abroad. This would be in the case of a "goodbye" scenario though, i.e. he announced his retirement.
What does anybody else think? I think he is fully worthy of such an occasion personally.
tyronewolf
01-02-2008, 18:27
If he had not got himself deliberately booked against Wales and been banned for the next game away to Azerbaijan he would have had 100 caps already.
I'm sure he regrets the booking now.
I'm sure he regrets the booking now.
big-blue-wolf
01-02-2008, 20:48
If he had not got himself deliberately booked against Wales and been banned for the next game away to Azerbaijan he would have had 100 caps already.
I'm sure he regrets the booking now.
That's bull.
If Maclaren hadn't tried to "show who is the boss" by dropping Beckham then he would have won his 100th cap a long time ago.
Beckham was the best English player in the 2006 World Cup and was astute enough to step down from the captaincy before he was pushed.
Maclaren made a huge mistake dropping him.
I'm sure he regrets the booking now.
That's bull.
If Maclaren hadn't tried to "show who is the boss" by dropping Beckham then he would have won his 100th cap a long time ago.
Beckham was the best English player in the 2006 World Cup and was astute enough to step down from the captaincy before he was pushed.
Maclaren made a huge mistake dropping him.
Ogerp
01-02-2008, 22:38
Should he win his 100th cap ?
I reckon so, and make him captain for the match
So he played his last competative match when?
On a beach in Brazil?
No way should he get a walk on role to get such a great award that Billy and Bobby got playing first class games.
I reckon so, and make him captain for the match
So he played his last competative match when?
On a beach in Brazil?
No way should he get a walk on role to get such a great award that Billy and Bobby got playing first class games.
reanswolf
02-02-2008, 07:14
i personally think mcclaren was right at the time to drop becks, he came back with a bit if a bang but that was perhaps to be expected.
Best english player in World Cup 2006 tho Big Blue Wolf? What you been on?
Best english player in World Cup 2006 tho Big Blue Wolf? What you been on?
Dr Wolfenstein
02-02-2008, 11:12
, you can't help but look back on their international careers with a sense of sadness, of not quite making it... , Bull punching Gary Lineker....
If true, how can this this be construed as not quite making it? One for the fans surely. A sort of karma in anticipation of his glib. shallow, trite sneering performances on MOTD each Saturday.
Sounds like a career highlight to me, to set alongside Vinnie Jones grabbing Gazza's goolies.
If true, how can this this be construed as not quite making it? One for the fans surely. A sort of karma in anticipation of his glib. shallow, trite sneering performances on MOTD each Saturday.
Sounds like a career highlight to me, to set alongside Vinnie Jones grabbing Gazza's goolies.
