SOUTHBANK_BULLY
10-09-2005, 16:15
enough said !
gotta beat teams lilke luton .. their good start should have ended today
gotta beat teams lilke luton .. their good start should have ended today
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Guests
10-09-2005, 16:17
what do you mean 'teams like luton'?
dr cool
10-09-2005, 16:17
good point..6th..2 home games to come....
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Florida Wolfey
10-09-2005, 16:17
oh that's right.....another team we have a divine right to walk all over. smileys/smiley32.gif
Papa
10-09-2005, 16:19
good point..6th..2 home games to come....
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Agree with that Dr Cool. I think everybody should be cool about a good point away at an in form team. Few goals next Tuesday and we'll be laughing.
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Agree with that Dr Cool. I think everybody should be cool about a good point away at an in form team. Few goals next Tuesday and we'll be laughing.
SOUTHBANK_BULLY
10-09-2005, 16:20
oh that's right.....another team we have a divine right to walk all over. smileys/smiley32.gif
teams that have just been promoted yes we should beat them if we want to get promoted this season
didnt say we have a divine right to beat them but we should beat them
alarm bells ringing at the moment cos without ince our midfield is crap and that was noted several times on radio wm today
teams that have just been promoted yes we should beat them if we want to get promoted this season
didnt say we have a divine right to beat them but we should beat them
alarm bells ringing at the moment cos without ince our midfield is crap and that was noted several times on radio wm today
MobNet Wolf
10-09-2005, 16:22
win your home games, avoid defeat away.
Do that and we are up, and we are doing it textbook atm apart from the leeds blip.
Do that and we are up, and we are doing it textbook atm apart from the leeds blip.
Papa
10-09-2005, 16:25
alarm bells ringing at the moment cos without ince our midfield is crap and that was noted several times on radio wm today
Certain games we need scrappers and today was one of them. Ince's dont grow on tree's.
Certain games we need scrappers and today was one of them. Ince's dont grow on tree's.
Mutchy
10-09-2005, 16:26
oh that's right.....another team we have a divine right to walk all over. smileys/smiley32.gif
teams that have just been promoted yes we should beat them if we want to get promoted this season
didnt say we have a divine right to beat them but we should beat them
When we were fighting our way back up through the divisions I don't ever remember thinking that all the teams should beat us because we'd only just been promoted...smileys/smiley5.gif
teams that have just been promoted yes we should beat them if we want to get promoted this season
didnt say we have a divine right to beat them but we should beat them
When we were fighting our way back up through the divisions I don't ever remember thinking that all the teams should beat us because we'd only just been promoted...smileys/smiley5.gif
wolf of sedgley
10-09-2005, 16:28
win your home games, avoid defeat away.
Do that and we are up, and we are doing it textbook atm apart from the leeds blip.
I'd like to think that, but we are not going to win all of our home games.
Do that and we are up, and we are doing it textbook atm apart from the leeds blip.
I'd like to think that, but we are not going to win all of our home games.
dr cool
10-09-2005, 16:28
as i said good point......
we can take up a very strong position with a couple of home wins.....
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we can take up a very strong position with a couple of home wins.....
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kal1000
10-09-2005, 16:31
As long as we get the 2 home wins, it will bea good point for sure.
dr cool
10-09-2005, 16:35
win your home games, avoid defeat away.
Do that and we are up, and we are doing it textbook atm apart from the leeds blip.
I'd like to think that, but we are not going to win all of our home games.
and we will start winning away.....
roll on stoke and crewe....smileys/smiley36.gif
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Do that and we are up, and we are doing it textbook atm apart from the leeds blip.
I'd like to think that, but we are not going to win all of our home games.
and we will start winning away.....
roll on stoke and crewe....smileys/smiley36.gif
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D.A.A.
10-09-2005, 16:36
I've just listened to that moaning half wit Roger on the Wolf saying it's no good drawing against teams like Luton.
In my book that's abloody good point today and although we maybe should have a couple more points on the board so far this season, I'm not complaining.
This division is notoriously tightand to presume we should be steamrollering some teams, let alone a teamtowards the top of the table,is deluded in the extreme.
In my book that's abloody good point today and although we maybe should have a couple more points on the board so far this season, I'm not complaining.
This division is notoriously tightand to presume we should be steamrollering some teams, let alone a teamtowards the top of the table,is deluded in the extreme.
dr cool
10-09-2005, 16:38
[QUOTE=D.A.A.]
I've just listened to that moaning half wit Roger on the Wolf saying it's no good drawing against teams like Luton.
In my book that's abloody good point today and although we
maybe should have a couple more points on the board so far this season,
I'm not complaining.
This division is notoriously tightand to presume we should be
steamrollering some teams, let alone a teamtowards the top of the
table,is deluded in the extreme.
agreed d a a ..good point, roll on millwall.....
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Edited by: dr cool
I've just listened to that moaning half wit Roger on the Wolf saying it's no good drawing against teams like Luton.
In my book that's abloody good point today and although we
maybe should have a couple more points on the board so far this season,
I'm not complaining.
This division is notoriously tightand to presume we should be
steamrollering some teams, let alone a teamtowards the top of the
table,is deluded in the extreme.
agreed d a a ..good point, roll on millwall.....
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Edited by: dr cool
mak1
10-09-2005, 16:40
oh that's right.....another team we have a divine right to walk all over. smileys/smiley32.gif
teams that have just been promoted yes we should beat them if we want to get promoted this season
didnt say we have a divine right to beat them but we should beat them
When we were fighting our way back up through the divisions I don't ever remember thinking that all the teams should beat us because we'd only just been promoted...smileys/smiley5.gif
Good point, it's not as if they scraped through in the playoffs. They won their league by quite some margin.
We do not have a devine right to beat them, just ask Palace and Southampton.
teams that have just been promoted yes we should beat them if we want to get promoted this season
didnt say we have a divine right to beat them but we should beat them
When we were fighting our way back up through the divisions I don't ever remember thinking that all the teams should beat us because we'd only just been promoted...smileys/smiley5.gif
Good point, it's not as if they scraped through in the playoffs. They won their league by quite some margin.
We do not have a devine right to beat them, just ask Palace and Southampton.
ooh la la
10-09-2005, 16:42
And we waited two weeks for that! We desperately need Ince back in mid-field, there’s no nads there at the moment. Again our inability to score goals and kill the game off has left us with another draw.
Visage Wolf
10-09-2005, 16:47
enough said !
gotta beat teams lilke luton .. their good start should have ended today
What a crock.
Luton have had a good start, and we drew away.
Win at home, draw away, and thats 92 points. NO problems.
gotta beat teams lilke luton .. their good start should have ended today
What a crock.
Luton have had a good start, and we drew away.
Win at home, draw away, and thats 92 points. NO problems.
Visage Wolf
10-09-2005, 16:48
win your home games, avoid defeat away.
Do that and we are up, and we are doing it textbook atm apart from the leeds blip.
I'd like to think that, but we are not going to win all of our home games.
But we're not going to draw or lose all of our away games....
Do that and we are up, and we are doing it textbook atm apart from the leeds blip.
I'd like to think that, but we are not going to win all of our home games.
But we're not going to draw or lose all of our away games....
Visage Wolf
10-09-2005, 16:49
oh that's right.....another team we have a divine right to walk all over. smileys/smiley32.gif
teams that have just been promoted yes we should beat them if we want to get promoted this season
didnt say we have a divine right to beat them but we should beat them
When we were fighting our way back up through the divisions I don't
ever remember thinking that all the teams should beat us because we'd
only just been promoted...smileys/smiley5.gif
Post Of The Day.
Edited by: Visage Wolf
teams that have just been promoted yes we should beat them if we want to get promoted this season
didnt say we have a divine right to beat them but we should beat them
When we were fighting our way back up through the divisions I don't
ever remember thinking that all the teams should beat us because we'd
only just been promoted...smileys/smiley5.gif
Post Of The Day.
Edited by: Visage Wolf
Jack Bauer
10-09-2005, 16:49
Decent-ish point, we'll have to start winning some away games though because we're not going to win all our home games, despite what some people think. We have to be careful about making excuses for not winning away though, to get promoted we're gonna have to win a fair few.
BlahBlah
10-09-2005, 16:50
enough said !
gotta beat teams lilke luton .. their good start should have ended today
Typical numbskull statement. Have you seen Luton play then? How
do you know we should have beaten them? Going on form this season,
they've beaten Palace, Southampton, Leicester and Millwall, drawn with
Leeds? They've only lost to Stoke, a last minute defeat and they
had 10 men.
If Luton dominated the way it sounded, perhaps they might be
disappointed in only taking a point off a team that really struggled to
get to grips with them.
gotta beat teams lilke luton .. their good start should have ended today
Typical numbskull statement. Have you seen Luton play then? How
do you know we should have beaten them? Going on form this season,
they've beaten Palace, Southampton, Leicester and Millwall, drawn with
Leeds? They've only lost to Stoke, a last minute defeat and they
had 10 men.
If Luton dominated the way it sounded, perhaps they might be
disappointed in only taking a point off a team that really struggled to
get to grips with them.
SOUTHBANK_BULLY
10-09-2005, 17:03
enough said !
gotta beat teams lilke luton .. their good start should have ended today
Typical numbskull statement. Have you seen Luton play then? How do you know we should have beaten them? Going on form this season, they've beaten Palace, Southampton, Leicester and Millwall, drawn with Leeds? They've only lost to Stoke, a last minute defeat and they had 10 men.
If Luton dominated the way it sounded, perhaps they might be disappointed in only taking a point off a team that really struggled to get to grips with them.
less of the numbskull pal
southampton are hardly setting the league alight and millwall smileys/smiley36.giflmfao
we only had one shot at goal in the secomd half and in my book that isnt good enough
seol again was crap
gotta beat teams lilke luton .. their good start should have ended today
Typical numbskull statement. Have you seen Luton play then? How do you know we should have beaten them? Going on form this season, they've beaten Palace, Southampton, Leicester and Millwall, drawn with Leeds? They've only lost to Stoke, a last minute defeat and they had 10 men.
If Luton dominated the way it sounded, perhaps they might be disappointed in only taking a point off a team that really struggled to get to grips with them.
less of the numbskull pal
southampton are hardly setting the league alight and millwall smileys/smiley36.giflmfao
we only had one shot at goal in the secomd half and in my book that isnt good enough
seol again was crap
D.A.A.
10-09-2005, 17:09
In fairness Southbank, we played away from home on a tight pitch that doesn't suit our style of play and got a point against a team that are bang in form.
ooh la la
10-09-2005, 17:17
In fairness Southbank, we played away from home on a tight pitch that doesn't suit our style of play and got a point against a team that are bang in form.
That is two very good points, my only concern again is letting in a lateish goal when one more from us should of finished the game off.
That is two very good points, my only concern again is letting in a lateish goal when one more from us should of finished the game off.
deepingwolf
10-09-2005, 17:23
i don't think luton will be up there at the end of the season, but in the context of the season so far it is not a bad result - luton are in form and have won 3 in a row before today. I guess being 1 up with 12 mins to go you hope to win, but we have no divine right.
bring on millwall!
bring on millwall!
Toon Wolf
10-09-2005, 18:11
Decent-ish point, we'll have to start winning some away games though because we're not going to win all our home games, despite what some people think. We have to be careful about making excuses for not winning away though, to get promoted we're gonna have to win a fair few.
True, but neither are our rivals. I think this was a decent point at a place where many teams will struggle to gain even that. Some people have to realise that the sky is not falling in every time we fail to win a game. far too many Chicken Lickens around these parts!smileys/smiley2.gif
True, but neither are our rivals. I think this was a decent point at a place where many teams will struggle to gain even that. Some people have to realise that the sky is not falling in every time we fail to win a game. far too many Chicken Lickens around these parts!smileys/smiley2.gif
Kenny-11
10-09-2005, 18:13
Some people have to realise that the sky is not falling in every time we fail to win a game.
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Jack Bauer
10-09-2005, 18:14
Decent-ish point, we'll have to start winning some away games though because we're not going to win all our home games, despite what some people think. We have to be careful about making excuses for not winning away though, to get promoted we're gonna have to win a fair few.
True, but neither are our rivals. I think this was a decent point at a place where many teams will struggle to gain even that. Some people have to realise that the sky is not falling in every time we fail to win a game. far too many Chicken Lickens around these parts!smileys/smiley2.gif
I know all our rivals aren't going to, that's not what I said. Some people keep saying as long as we win all our home games we'll be ok, but we're not going to. I think it was a decent point today, but let's not get in the habit of settling for a point away from home, we're gonna have to beat some good teams away this season.
True, but neither are our rivals. I think this was a decent point at a place where many teams will struggle to gain even that. Some people have to realise that the sky is not falling in every time we fail to win a game. far too many Chicken Lickens around these parts!smileys/smiley2.gif
I know all our rivals aren't going to, that's not what I said. Some people keep saying as long as we win all our home games we'll be ok, but we're not going to. I think it was a decent point today, but let's not get in the habit of settling for a point away from home, we're gonna have to beat some good teams away this season.
Toon Wolf
10-09-2005, 18:20
I know all our rivals aren't going to, that's not what I said. Some people keep saying as long as we win all our home games we'll be ok, but we're not going to. I think it was a decent point today, but let's not get in the habit of settling for a point away from home, we're gonna have to beat some good teams away this season.
I know you didn't say that JB, and I agree we're going to have to start winning some of our away games. However I think we've already played 3 of the toughest away games we'll get, 4 if you consider the DJ factor in the Cardiff game. We have only lost 1 of them, and that unjustly by all accounts. I don't see the need for the panic that some are exhibiting.
I know you didn't say that JB, and I agree we're going to have to start winning some of our away games. However I think we've already played 3 of the toughest away games we'll get, 4 if you consider the DJ factor in the Cardiff game. We have only lost 1 of them, and that unjustly by all accounts. I don't see the need for the panic that some are exhibiting.
Jack Bauer
10-09-2005, 18:28
Next two away games in the leagueare Stoke & Crewe, neither doing particularly well and both games we should be looking to win, so let's see what happens. I do agree though that we have had a hard-ish start away.
Grizzled Wolf
10-09-2005, 18:53
I don'tthinkanybody can complain at the play of the team so far..we have been up against some good sides and got points out of them. The big problem at the moment is that we are once more suffering from injuries to key players.
We have to get some of them back in the side real soon.. or the sky WILL fall in on us! Has anyone heard about the injury to Kenny or if Oakes is going to play against Millwall and what happened to Anderton?
We have to get some of them back in the side real soon.. or the sky WILL fall in on us! Has anyone heard about the injury to Kenny or if Oakes is going to play against Millwall and what happened to Anderton?
yateleywolf
10-09-2005, 19:03
I thought it was going to be a tough game before the game and so it proved.Both Miller and Anderton did not look fit and surprised it took so long to substituteAnderton when he could hardly run.
Wolves never really imposed themselves in midfield and really needed Ince today.I know Seyi George gets alot of stick but i thought he did well when he came on. And Seol ,bloody hell ,he was just crap today.
Its not like Cardiffwhenwe should of won easily. This was a fair point when we did not play well.
Wolves never really imposed themselves in midfield and really needed Ince today.I know Seyi George gets alot of stick but i thought he did well when he came on. And Seol ,bloody hell ,he was just crap today.
Its not like Cardiffwhenwe should of won easily. This was a fair point when we did not play well.
Big Saft Kid
10-09-2005, 19:41
Next Tuesday for me is the real test of whether it's still basically Dave Jones' Wolves or something new. At home against a team who lost again today and have taken 1 point out of 14. On paper, we should win it about 3 or 4-0.......
0-0 draw and a crap performanceanyone? smileys/smiley18.gif
0-0 draw and a crap performanceanyone? smileys/smiley18.gif
Jack Bauer
10-09-2005, 21:53
1 point out of 14?!
Netherton Wolf
10-09-2005, 22:46
enough said !
gotta beat teams lilke luton .. their good start should have ended today
Why do we have a divine right to beat teams like Luton, Yes they came up but have built a very good side and only 1 team has beaten them this year, they have every right to play well.smileys/smiley18.gif
gotta beat teams lilke luton .. their good start should have ended today
Why do we have a divine right to beat teams like Luton, Yes they came up but have built a very good side and only 1 team has beaten them this year, they have every right to play well.smileys/smiley18.gif
28th March 1965
10-09-2005, 22:54
enough said !
gotta beat teams lilke luton .. their good start should have ended today
Why do we have a divine right to beat teams like Luton, Yes they came up but have built a very good side and only 1 team has beaten them this year, they have every right to play well.smileys/smiley18.gif
If we are going up in the top two I'm afraid we have to beat teams like Luton especially when you hold the lead for so long in the game....
gotta beat teams lilke luton .. their good start should have ended today
Why do we have a divine right to beat teams like Luton, Yes they came up but have built a very good side and only 1 team has beaten them this year, they have every right to play well.smileys/smiley18.gif
If we are going up in the top two I'm afraid we have to beat teams like Luton especially when you hold the lead for so long in the game....
R6 Wolf
10-09-2005, 22:56
Its like saying Steven Gerrard should play the same way he did in the Champion league final every time he plays.
Things change day by day, just because Luton were a division below us last year does ne mean that we should beat them this year
Things change day by day, just because Luton were a division below us last year does ne mean that we should beat them this year
28th March 1965
10-09-2005, 23:05
Its like saying Steven Gerrard should play the same way he did in the Champion league final every time he plays.
Things change day by day, just because Luton were a division below us last year does ne mean that we should beat them this year
Why shouldn't people say Wolves should be teams like Luton , I want to hear that attitude of everybody concerned with Wolves , like I said we should beat teams like Luton if we are to achieve automatic promotion.....
And should I bloody repeat myself again , with 10 minutes on the clock you would expect us to hold out for that time instead we let them throw balls into the box to upset us.....WE SHOULD BEAT TEAMS LIKE LUTON END OFF......
Things change day by day, just because Luton were a division below us last year does ne mean that we should beat them this year
Why shouldn't people say Wolves should be teams like Luton , I want to hear that attitude of everybody concerned with Wolves , like I said we should beat teams like Luton if we are to achieve automatic promotion.....
And should I bloody repeat myself again , with 10 minutes on the clock you would expect us to hold out for that time instead we let them throw balls into the box to upset us.....WE SHOULD BEAT TEAMS LIKE LUTON END OFF......
SOUTHBANK_BULLY
11-09-2005, 00:06
Its like saying Steven Gerrard should play the same way he did in the Champion league final every time he plays.
Things change day by day, just because Luton were a division below us last year does ne mean that we should beat them this year
Why shouldn't people say Wolves should be teams like Luton , I want to hear that attitude of everybody concerned with Wolves , like I said we should beat teams like Luton if we are to achieve automatic promotion.....
And should I bloody repeat myself again , with 10 minutes on the clock you would expect us to hold out for that time instead we let them throw balls into the box to upset us.....WE SHOULD BEAT TEAMS LIKE LUTON END OFF......
agreed we should be aiming for top 2 the way people are speaking on here they seem to be happy with a play-off spot ,,, well im not i want wolves to rule the league and be promoted by the end of feb... during the pre season wolves fans were saying oh we'll win the league easy so where are these people now ? to win the league we need to beat teams like luton and cardiff 6th in the league isnt good enough for me its about time we were top of the league again aint been there for few years
Things change day by day, just because Luton were a division below us last year does ne mean that we should beat them this year
Why shouldn't people say Wolves should be teams like Luton , I want to hear that attitude of everybody concerned with Wolves , like I said we should beat teams like Luton if we are to achieve automatic promotion.....
And should I bloody repeat myself again , with 10 minutes on the clock you would expect us to hold out for that time instead we let them throw balls into the box to upset us.....WE SHOULD BEAT TEAMS LIKE LUTON END OFF......
agreed we should be aiming for top 2 the way people are speaking on here they seem to be happy with a play-off spot ,,, well im not i want wolves to rule the league and be promoted by the end of feb... during the pre season wolves fans were saying oh we'll win the league easy so where are these people now ? to win the league we need to beat teams like luton and cardiff 6th in the league isnt good enough for me its about time we were top of the league again aint been there for few years
R6 Wolf
11-09-2005, 00:23
Luton havegot good results againstSouthampton and Palace formerly prem teams, they have a good team with a good manager, they are at the moment flying high.
We have played them in their "flying high" mode, at their ground and we havent lost. THAT IS A RESULT
We have played them in their "flying high" mode, at their ground and we havent lost. THAT IS A RESULT
28th March 1965
11-09-2005, 00:29
B0llocks , with 10 minutes to go 1800 away supporters where thinking of three points to go with the six we expect at home in the coming week , after the game we all thought that draw was as bad as a defeat......
R6 Wolf
11-09-2005, 00:36
Thats the problem init....expect...........
Get real and understand that what you want sometimes doesn't happen i'm sure that Glenn and the lads will be happy with what they have achieved today
Get real and understand that what you want sometimes doesn't happen i'm sure that Glenn and the lads will be happy with what they have achieved today
Goldwolf
11-09-2005, 00:36
B0llocks , with 10 minutes to go 1800 away supporters where thinking of three points to go with the six we expect at home in the coming week , after the game we all thought that draw was as bad as a defeat......
SSW wasn't, he knew they were going to score. Blindly obvious in fact.
SSW wasn't, he knew they were going to score. Blindly obvious in fact.
28th March 1965
11-09-2005, 00:40
Thats the problem init....expect...........
Get real and understand that what you want sometimes doesn't happen i'm sure that Glenn and the lads will be happy with what they have achieved today
Open your eyes you prat , with 10 minutes to go you expect to win , I expected to win , 1800 away fans expected to win......
Do you need a 45 inch monitor to read whats on ya screen....
Get real and understand that what you want sometimes doesn't happen i'm sure that Glenn and the lads will be happy with what they have achieved today
Open your eyes you prat , with 10 minutes to go you expect to win , I expected to win , 1800 away fans expected to win......
Do you need a 45 inch monitor to read whats on ya screen....
R6 Wolf
11-09-2005, 00:45
why do you expect to win because there is 10 mins to play?
Goldwolf
11-09-2005, 00:45
Open your eyes you prat , with 10 minutes to go you expect to win , I expected to win , 1800 away fans expected to win......
Do you need a 45 inch monitor to read whats on ya screen....
I wasn't at today's game, so this is a general comment. But 1-0 up in any game with 10 minutes to go I hope we will win. I've learnt never to expect anything!Edited by: Goldwolf
Do you need a 45 inch monitor to read whats on ya screen....
I wasn't at today's game, so this is a general comment. But 1-0 up in any game with 10 minutes to go I hope we will win. I've learnt never to expect anything!Edited by: Goldwolf
28th March 1965
11-09-2005, 00:48
why do you expect to win because there is 10 mins to play?
I think if this game was at Molineux and the same happened I'm sure you would be singing from the same hymn sheet as I was today.....
I think if this game was at Molineux and the same happened I'm sure you would be singing from the same hymn sheet as I was today.....
R6 Wolf
11-09-2005, 00:54
Exactly, Charlotte Church Stylie............i know it was Luton and they have a crap ground and they shouldnt beat us and all that but they didnt, they are playing well at the moment and so are we.
soa draw is fair ?
soa draw is fair ?
Guests
11-09-2005, 00:55
we're chugging along nicely in the top 6 after only losing once in 7
games. today we had a completely different looking defence away at a
tight ground, our star (smileys/smiley4.gif) forward went
off injured after a few minutes and the defence was shuffled around
because of an injury to our very consistant right back. we played a
team who have beaten 3 of our promotion rivals in leeds, saints and
sheff utd and came away with a good point.
stop $$$$$$$ing moaning is what im trying to say.
games. today we had a completely different looking defence away at a
tight ground, our star (smileys/smiley4.gif) forward went
off injured after a few minutes and the defence was shuffled around
because of an injury to our very consistant right back. we played a
team who have beaten 3 of our promotion rivals in leeds, saints and
sheff utd and came away with a good point.
stop $$$$$$$ing moaning is what im trying to say.
28th March 1965
11-09-2005, 00:55
I think if this game was at Molineux and the same happened I'm sure you would be singing from the same hymn sheet as I was today.....
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28th March 1965
11-09-2005, 00:57
I have a right to moan when I pay my money week in week out....
Guests
11-09-2005, 00:57
but it wasnt.......
Guests
11-09-2005, 00:58
I have a right to moan when I pay my money week in week out....
whatever floats your boat
whatever floats your boat
R6 Wolf
11-09-2005, 00:58
I have a right to moan when I pay my money week in week out....
Moan about what ?
What have they done wrong ?
Moan about what ?
What have they done wrong ?
28th March 1965
11-09-2005, 01:00
but it wasnt.......
We've had games in the past that have taken a similar path as today's games and don't try to tell me that Wolves supporters wouldn't expect a win if the game was at Molineux....
Why can't people expect to win games with only a minutes left on the clock , hell before the start of the season 95% of people on here EXPECT Wolves to be in the top two at the end of the season , thats why we should beat teams like Luton.....
We've had games in the past that have taken a similar path as today's games and don't try to tell me that Wolves supporters wouldn't expect a win if the game was at Molineux....
Why can't people expect to win games with only a minutes left on the clock , hell before the start of the season 95% of people on here EXPECT Wolves to be in the top two at the end of the season , thats why we should beat teams like Luton.....
R6 Wolf
11-09-2005, 01:01
Its like Charlotte Church going on X Factor and Simon Cowell saying she is a welsh bint who cant sing
28th March 1965
11-09-2005, 01:02
I have a right to moan when I pay my money week in week out....
Moan about what ?
What have they done wrong ?
We are missing chances to take maximum points , Leeds away chance after chance a defeat , Cardiff yet more chances thankful for the point yep but thats not good enough and today if Carl Cort would have taken that chance before half time the game would have been won.....
Moan about what ?
What have they done wrong ?
We are missing chances to take maximum points , Leeds away chance after chance a defeat , Cardiff yet more chances thankful for the point yep but thats not good enough and today if Carl Cort would have taken that chance before half time the game would have been won.....
28th March 1965
11-09-2005, 01:03
Its like Charlotte Church going on X Factor and Simon Cowell saying she is a welsh bint who cant sing
You can throw all the w!$* funnies as you like mate , but don't disguise the fact we should be head to head with Sheff Utd now.....
It's not good enough....
You can throw all the w!$* funnies as you like mate , but don't disguise the fact we should be head to head with Sheff Utd now.....
It's not good enough....
R6 Wolf
11-09-2005, 01:06
I think i've got a Charlotte thing going on, that cant be healthy..
Point is we have a team that are happy with each other and can win football games
Point is we have a team that are happy with each other and can win football games
Goldwolf
11-09-2005, 01:10
Ifs, buts and maybes.
By all neutral accounts, Luton were the better team. Even Hoddle has called it a bonus point. You're justgiving fuel tothe WIMABIGCLUB crap that the Albion fans love so much.
By all neutral accounts, Luton were the better team. Even Hoddle has called it a bonus point. You're justgiving fuel tothe WIMABIGCLUB crap that the Albion fans love so much.
28th March 1965
11-09-2005, 01:13
Ifs, buts and maybes.
By all neutral accounts, Luton were the better team. Even Hoddle has called it a bonus point. You're justgiving fuel tothe WIMABIGCLUB crap that the Albion fans love so much.
Expectations are once again high after a miserable period under Dave Jones , blame Glenn Hoddle for that fuel he's got us ticking again....
I'm just sounding off didn't mean to be rude especially to RB (I think thats the chap can't be arsed to copy and paste this message to press my back button to have a look) , it felt like I walked away from Kenilworth Road after a defeat thats because of the expectation...
By all neutral accounts, Luton were the better team. Even Hoddle has called it a bonus point. You're justgiving fuel tothe WIMABIGCLUB crap that the Albion fans love so much.
Expectations are once again high after a miserable period under Dave Jones , blame Glenn Hoddle for that fuel he's got us ticking again....
I'm just sounding off didn't mean to be rude especially to RB (I think thats the chap can't be arsed to copy and paste this message to press my back button to have a look) , it felt like I walked away from Kenilworth Road after a defeat thats because of the expectation...
R6 Wolf
11-09-2005, 01:13
Its like Charlotte Church going on X Factor and Simon Cowell saying she is a welsh bint who cant sing
You can throw all the w!$* funnies as you like mate , but don't disguise the fact we should be head to head with Sheff Utd now.....
It's not good enough....
its early days, we have a good squad, a good management team and the youth team is to die for. Bring it on !!
You can throw all the w!$* funnies as you like mate , but don't disguise the fact we should be head to head with Sheff Utd now.....
It's not good enough....
its early days, we have a good squad, a good management team and the youth team is to die for. Bring it on !!
Guests
11-09-2005, 01:16
but it wasnt.......
We've had games in the past that have taken a similar path as
today's games and don't try to tell me that Wolves supporters wouldn't
expect a win if the game was at Molineux....
But the game wasnt at molineux, it was away to a team who are
playing well. just because they are luton town and you probably cant
name any of their players doesnt mean they arent a decent side at home
- infact given their other results at kenilworth road this season you
could say they are an exceptional side at home. also, if you include
miller, we had 5 or possibly 6 (ince, macnamara, craddock, vio, ndah)
of our better players who weren't even in the 16! if they had been fit
then we may well have won the game.
Why can't people expect to win games with only a minutes
left on the clock , hell before the start of the season 95% of people
on here EXPECT Wolves to be in the top two at the end of the season , thats why we should beat teams like Luton.....
if olo's late chance had gone in we would have beaten them but it
didnt. football isnt an exact science, it would have been tremendous if
we'd managed to hold on but given the reports ive read and the
interviews ive seen everybody who witneseed the match said a point was
a good result given the nature of the game. we wont win every game and
i think its a little unreasonable for you to expect us to.
We've had games in the past that have taken a similar path as
today's games and don't try to tell me that Wolves supporters wouldn't
expect a win if the game was at Molineux....
But the game wasnt at molineux, it was away to a team who are
playing well. just because they are luton town and you probably cant
name any of their players doesnt mean they arent a decent side at home
- infact given their other results at kenilworth road this season you
could say they are an exceptional side at home. also, if you include
miller, we had 5 or possibly 6 (ince, macnamara, craddock, vio, ndah)
of our better players who weren't even in the 16! if they had been fit
then we may well have won the game.
Why can't people expect to win games with only a minutes
left on the clock , hell before the start of the season 95% of people
on here EXPECT Wolves to be in the top two at the end of the season , thats why we should beat teams like Luton.....
if olo's late chance had gone in we would have beaten them but it
didnt. football isnt an exact science, it would have been tremendous if
we'd managed to hold on but given the reports ive read and the
interviews ive seen everybody who witneseed the match said a point was
a good result given the nature of the game. we wont win every game and
i think its a little unreasonable for you to expect us to.
Goldwolf
11-09-2005, 01:16
I'm just sounding off didn't mean to be rude especially to RB (I think thats the chap can't be arsed to copy and paste this message to press my back button to have a look) , it felt like I walked away from Kenilworth Road after a defeat thats because of the expectation...
I understand, it's always a p***er to give the lead away late on, even if we were hanging on for a barely deserved win.
I understand, it's always a p***er to give the lead away late on, even if we were hanging on for a barely deserved win.
R6 Wolf
11-09-2005, 01:27
Expectation is what gets you back there mate, realisation is the kick in the balls.
Just wipe your eyes and get on with it
Just wipe your eyes and get on with it
Covwolf
11-09-2005, 01:36
Open your eyes you prat , with 10 minutes to go you expect to win , I expected to win , 1800 away fans expected to win......
Do you need a 45 inch monitor to read whats on ya screen....
I wasn't at today's game, so this is a general comment. But 1-0 up in any game with 10 minutes to go I hope we will win. I've learnt never to expect anything!
I agree with 10 minutes to go, we should go on to win a game, but the truth is more goals are scored in the last 10 minutes, so how many times have Wolves come back to draw or win a game in the last 10 minutes, so why not for other teams, sorry but pleased with draw in the end.
Do you need a 45 inch monitor to read whats on ya screen....
I wasn't at today's game, so this is a general comment. But 1-0 up in any game with 10 minutes to go I hope we will win. I've learnt never to expect anything!
I agree with 10 minutes to go, we should go on to win a game, but the truth is more goals are scored in the last 10 minutes, so how many times have Wolves come back to draw or win a game in the last 10 minutes, so why not for other teams, sorry but pleased with draw in the end.
Toon Wolf
11-09-2005, 09:06
For crying out loud, some people need to get a grip! There are SEVEN games gone. SEVEN. We've won all our home games and got points from what look like pretty tough away games. If it was seven games from the end of the season I could understand people's frustration, but it's not. We're doing alright and we're in contention and we haven't even hit our stride yet. Stop being bloody babies.
Jack Bauer
11-09-2005, 09:11
Like I've said, think we should resume this conversation after Stoke & Crewe, two away games we should win and need to win. There is no excuse, both are crap, neither have started well and neither have ex-Wolves managers.
Uncle Festa
11-09-2005, 09:56
Why should we expect to win away from home with 10 minutes left? Most goals are scored in the last 10 minutes of a game, and judging by the commentary we were getting battered. Hoddle is quoted as being delighted with the point. The next two games at home are games we should be expecting to win, not games away from home against a team riding on a crest of a wave having beaten everything put before them at home prior to us turning up. I agree, its disappointing when you hear that our forwards again failed to covert chances - and I'll say it again this will be our down fall unless it is nipped in the bud quickly. When your under the cosh, you need that clinical finishing to get you out the $$$$$. Nathan Tyson from Wycombe looks a good prospect - 3 hat-tricks already this year and can scorewith both feet from difficult chances - pity the transferis shut
basher
11-09-2005, 09:59
At the match Southbank?? If you were you would know that Luton are a good side and they will be very disappointed to have got only one point! They controlled the game pretty much from start to finish. We were shocking! Worst performance of the season so far!
Toon Wolf
11-09-2005, 10:01
Like I've said, think we should resume this conversation after Stoke & Crewe, two away games we should win and need to win. There is no excuse, both are crap, neither have started well and neither have ex-Wolves managers.
Except Stoke is a local derby and we always do crap there!smileys/smiley2.gif
Except Stoke is a local derby and we always do crap there!smileys/smiley2.gif
28th March 1965
11-09-2005, 10:18
Like I've said, think we should resume this conversation after Stoke & Crewe, two away games we should win and need to win. There is no excuse, both are crap, neither have started well and neither have ex-Wolves managers.
Why can you get away with saying you expect us to beat Stoke and Crewe (and I'm fully with you on this one as I was with Luton yesterday) and I get shot down....smileys/smiley5.gif
Why can you get away with saying you expect us to beat Stoke and Crewe (and I'm fully with you on this one as I was with Luton yesterday) and I get shot down....smileys/smiley5.gif
SOA Wolf
11-09-2005, 10:20
I am not so bothered about drawing with Luton, but I am concerned with a failure to win an away match yet...mainly in those games where we have appeared to have dominated and not converted our chances, which has been a feature so far.
Link this with the comment from Hoddle that he is happy with the squad he has and then the alarm bells start to ring. I am concerned that we still do not have that 'killer instinct'...the thing that separates the winning or 'champion' teams from the also rans. I never felt we had it with DJ...often we would be in a dominant or winning position and not finish a team off. That is difference between Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea with the likes of Newcastle, Everton and even Liverpool(on most occassions with the exception of the Champs League last year).
I'm sure what 28th and SBB are getting at is that to be the sort of team that gets automatic you need to finish teams off and not let them get back to you, or when dominating a game..to win it.
I'm not panicking as I am not expecting anything from this season, but it is a area, that if not addressed, will cost dear this season. As has been said, let's see the situation after 15 matches and then a clear indication of true form should have emeged.
Personally I have doubts Hoddle has that 'killer instinct' it never appeared when he was a player and do not recall it as a manager either. Do not forget he was the person who once said that England did not have a natural goalscorer available, and let Michael Owen sit on the bench...eventually forced to play him due to pressure from the press and who then came on and scored immediately.
For natural goalscorer look to Ganea, I'm sure he would have converted a few chances....will be glad to see him back.
Link this with the comment from Hoddle that he is happy with the squad he has and then the alarm bells start to ring. I am concerned that we still do not have that 'killer instinct'...the thing that separates the winning or 'champion' teams from the also rans. I never felt we had it with DJ...often we would be in a dominant or winning position and not finish a team off. That is difference between Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea with the likes of Newcastle, Everton and even Liverpool(on most occassions with the exception of the Champs League last year).
I'm sure what 28th and SBB are getting at is that to be the sort of team that gets automatic you need to finish teams off and not let them get back to you, or when dominating a game..to win it.
I'm not panicking as I am not expecting anything from this season, but it is a area, that if not addressed, will cost dear this season. As has been said, let's see the situation after 15 matches and then a clear indication of true form should have emeged.
Personally I have doubts Hoddle has that 'killer instinct' it never appeared when he was a player and do not recall it as a manager either. Do not forget he was the person who once said that England did not have a natural goalscorer available, and let Michael Owen sit on the bench...eventually forced to play him due to pressure from the press and who then came on and scored immediately.
For natural goalscorer look to Ganea, I'm sure he would have converted a few chances....will be glad to see him back.
whitemouse75
11-09-2005, 10:32
For natural goalscorer look to Ganea, I'm sure he would have converted a few chances....will be glad to see him back.
this is a dangerous mindset though SOA, although ganea looked fairly good in the prem the few times we've seen him, he's only broken into double figures twice in the last 7 years with 10 & 11 goals (according to his bio on the official site)
this is a dangerous mindset though SOA, although ganea looked fairly good in the prem the few times we've seen him, he's only broken into double figures twice in the last 7 years with 10 & 11 goals (according to his bio on the official site)
SOA Wolf
11-09-2005, 10:39
For natural goalscorer look to Ganea, I'm sure he would have converted a few chances....will be glad to see him back.
this is a dangerous mindset though SOA, although ganea looked fairly good in the prem the few times we've seen him, he's only broken into double figures twice in the last 7 years with 10 & 11 goals (according to his bio on the official site)
Agreed mate, I am not saying he is the answer to all our problems, that is definitely a dangerous path to follow, I would prefer to have a couple of natural scorers to call upon.
I do think that if you look into Ganea's history it has been beset with low numbers of appearances at many clubs, often linked to changes in managers, one brings him in then leaves and he does not 'suit' the new man....I just hope that does not happen at Wolves....he has shown great loyalty, and a good workrate when playing, already to us and deserves, at least, the opportunity to show what he is capable of.
this is a dangerous mindset though SOA, although ganea looked fairly good in the prem the few times we've seen him, he's only broken into double figures twice in the last 7 years with 10 & 11 goals (according to his bio on the official site)
Agreed mate, I am not saying he is the answer to all our problems, that is definitely a dangerous path to follow, I would prefer to have a couple of natural scorers to call upon.
I do think that if you look into Ganea's history it has been beset with low numbers of appearances at many clubs, often linked to changes in managers, one brings him in then leaves and he does not 'suit' the new man....I just hope that does not happen at Wolves....he has shown great loyalty, and a good workrate when playing, already to us and deserves, at least, the opportunity to show what he is capable of.
G-Wulf
11-09-2005, 10:57
When we were fighting our way back up through the divisions I don't ever remember thinking that all the teams should beat us because we'd only just been promoted...smileys/smiley5.gif
Fair point but on the same count I can't ever remember a team gaining promotion without winning an away game and without having the ability to finish opposition teams off while on top.
Both are worrying trendsthat Wolves are currently following religiously.
Fair point but on the same count I can't ever remember a team gaining promotion without winning an away game and without having the ability to finish opposition teams off while on top.
Both are worrying trendsthat Wolves are currently following religiously.
Jack Bauer
11-09-2005, 11:01
Like I've said, think we should resume this conversation after Stoke & Crewe, two away games we should win and need to win. There is no excuse, both are crap, neither have started well and neither have ex-Wolves managers.
Why can you get away with saying you expect us to beat Stoke and Crewe (and I'm fully with you on this one as I was with Luton yesterday) and I get shot down....smileys/smiley5.gif
I don't know mate, seems some people are content with anything, if they must make up an excuse for every dodgy away result then I'm challenging them to come up with one for the next two games, because there isn't one.
Why can you get away with saying you expect us to beat Stoke and Crewe (and I'm fully with you on this one as I was with Luton yesterday) and I get shot down....smileys/smiley5.gif
I don't know mate, seems some people are content with anything, if they must make up an excuse for every dodgy away result then I'm challenging them to come up with one for the next two games, because there isn't one.
Rhoswolf
11-09-2005, 12:39
Wolves clearly rode their luck in the second half, but matters were exacerbated by GH's decision not to replace Seol, who once again was totally ineffective,a lot earlier. All in all, a satisfactory point if full points are taken from the next 2 games.
I.D.
11-09-2005, 13:06
Hoddle already appears to be affected by the same insanity that appears
to affect all Wolves' managers at some point in their stay with us, I
fully expect him some time soon to say that we will, "Keep plugging
away".
Hoddle is already starting to mirror some of Dave Jones' traits when
the pressure was on, he is sticking with players who are clearly having
a nightmare time. Next he has started to consider games in groups,
rather than just wanting to win our next game every time.
When interviewed on Radio WM yesterday, he said that it was a good
point as Wolves had to absorb tremendous pressure. He didn't say that
he was disappointed, as we should have won the game by half time. If he
can clearly see that we can't play our normal game and that we are
under the cosh, why not add some bite to mid-field?
"The pitch was too small and their players were too big, blah, blah,
blah". If we keep making excuses for under-performing players, then
they will continue to under-perform.
to affect all Wolves' managers at some point in their stay with us, I
fully expect him some time soon to say that we will, "Keep plugging
away".
Hoddle is already starting to mirror some of Dave Jones' traits when
the pressure was on, he is sticking with players who are clearly having
a nightmare time. Next he has started to consider games in groups,
rather than just wanting to win our next game every time.
When interviewed on Radio WM yesterday, he said that it was a good
point as Wolves had to absorb tremendous pressure. He didn't say that
he was disappointed, as we should have won the game by half time. If he
can clearly see that we can't play our normal game and that we are
under the cosh, why not add some bite to mid-field?
"The pitch was too small and their players were too big, blah, blah,
blah". If we keep making excuses for under-performing players, then
they will continue to under-perform.
Rocky_Balllboa
11-09-2005, 13:46
As mentioned we need to start getting some away wins uner our belts otherwise we will struglle to even make the playoffs but theres 19 more to go. Our home form is vital now and we really need maximum points against Millwall and Leicester to keep up with Sheff Utd's pace we don't want them getting away.
Covwolf
11-09-2005, 14:28
As mentioned we need to start getting some away wins uner our belts otherwise we will struglle to even make the playoffs but theres 19 more to go. Our home form is vital now and we really need maximum points against Millwall and Leicester to keep up with Sheff Utd's pace we don't want them getting away.
They are away both games, Brighton and the in form Watford
They are away both games, Brighton and the in form Watford
Ginger Chimp
11-09-2005, 14:32
win your home games, avoid defeat away.
Do that and we are up, and we are doing it textbook atm apart from the leeds blip.
I'd like to think that, but we are not going to win all of our home games.
And, equally, we will win away games.
Do that and we are up, and we are doing it textbook atm apart from the leeds blip.
I'd like to think that, but we are not going to win all of our home games.
And, equally, we will win away games.
SOUTHBANK_BULLY
11-09-2005, 14:58
At the match Southbank?? If you were you would know that Luton are a good side and they will be very disappointed to have got only one point! They controlled the game pretty much from start to finish. We were shocking! Worst performance of the season so far!
no i wasnt there listened to it on wm does that mean then the people who dont go to the game or lives abroad cant have a say ?used to go to every away game but due to having a family now had to give up the away games and shall choose to go to away games when i can afford them needless to say ive had my season ticket for 11yr years and 11 more yrs to come hopefully not going to the game doesnt take awaymyright to say we are crap or not fella before the game i knew that luton are a good team , theres no need for you to speak down to me i just want wolves to win the easy
no i wasnt there listened to it on wm does that mean then the people who dont go to the game or lives abroad cant have a say ?used to go to every away game but due to having a family now had to give up the away games and shall choose to go to away games when i can afford them needless to say ive had my season ticket for 11yr years and 11 more yrs to come hopefully not going to the game doesnt take awaymyright to say we are crap or not fella before the game i knew that luton are a good team , theres no need for you to speak down to me i just want wolves to win the easy
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11-09-2005, 18:14
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basher
12-09-2005, 08:23
At the match Southbank?? If you were you would know that Luton are a good side and they will be very disappointed to have got only one point! They controlled the game pretty much from start to finish. We were shocking! Worst performance of the season so far!
no i wasnt there listened to it on wm does that mean then the people who dont go to the game or lives abroad cant have a say ?used to go to every away game but due to having a family now had to give up the away games and shall choose to go to away games when i can afford them needless to say ive had my season ticket for 11yr years and 11 more yrs to come hopefully not going to the game doesnt take awaymyright to say we are crap or not fella before the game i knew that luton are a good team , theres no need for you to speak down to me i just want wolves to win the easy
Get back in your pram, and how was I speaking down to you? A little too defensive there, if you don't mind me saying?
If you knew Luton were a good side why did you go on a rant attack saying that we should be beating teams like these? Just because they've been promoted doesn't make them any inferior to us, does it? As some one else pointed out when we were climbing back up the divisions they didn't expect us to lose to all and sundry. And why should we have? Luton are a tough side and I doubt very much if there will be many teams that come away with all the points from that ground.
And of course your entitled to your opinion and of course you can have your say on things. But please expect others to challenge your opinions if they disagree. This forum isn't about everybody agreeing with each other, it's about an exchange of opinions and viewpoints. I asked if you were at the game as you thought that we should be rolling over teams like Luton. I think anybody who was at the game would tell you that the opposite was the truth. If anybody deserved the three points it was Luton. We were very fortunate.
Anyway, if any offence has been caused I'm sorry.
no i wasnt there listened to it on wm does that mean then the people who dont go to the game or lives abroad cant have a say ?used to go to every away game but due to having a family now had to give up the away games and shall choose to go to away games when i can afford them needless to say ive had my season ticket for 11yr years and 11 more yrs to come hopefully not going to the game doesnt take awaymyright to say we are crap or not fella before the game i knew that luton are a good team , theres no need for you to speak down to me i just want wolves to win the easy
Get back in your pram, and how was I speaking down to you? A little too defensive there, if you don't mind me saying?
If you knew Luton were a good side why did you go on a rant attack saying that we should be beating teams like these? Just because they've been promoted doesn't make them any inferior to us, does it? As some one else pointed out when we were climbing back up the divisions they didn't expect us to lose to all and sundry. And why should we have? Luton are a tough side and I doubt very much if there will be many teams that come away with all the points from that ground.
And of course your entitled to your opinion and of course you can have your say on things. But please expect others to challenge your opinions if they disagree. This forum isn't about everybody agreeing with each other, it's about an exchange of opinions and viewpoints. I asked if you were at the game as you thought that we should be rolling over teams like Luton. I think anybody who was at the game would tell you that the opposite was the truth. If anybody deserved the three points it was Luton. We were very fortunate.
Anyway, if any offence has been caused I'm sorry.
dr cool
12-09-2005, 08:53
Hoddle already appears to be affected by the same insanity that appears
to affect all Wolves' managers at some point in their stay with us, I
fully expect him some time soon to say that we will, "Keep plugging
away".
Hoddle is already starting to mirror some of Dave Jones' traits when
the pressure was on, he is sticking with players who are clearly having
a nightmare time. Next he has started to consider games in groups,
rather than just wanting to win our next game every time.
When interviewed on Radio WM yesterday, he said that it was a good
point as Wolves had to absorb tremendous pressure. He didn't say that
he was disappointed, as we should have won the game by half time. If he
can clearly see that we can't play our normal game and that we are
under the cosh, why not add some bite to mid-field?
"The pitch was too small and their players were too big, blah, blah,
blah". If we keep making excuses for under-performing players, then
they will continue to under-perform.
i wonder what he said behind closed doors ?
drsmileys/smiley16.gif
Edited by: dr cool
to affect all Wolves' managers at some point in their stay with us, I
fully expect him some time soon to say that we will, "Keep plugging
away".
Hoddle is already starting to mirror some of Dave Jones' traits when
the pressure was on, he is sticking with players who are clearly having
a nightmare time. Next he has started to consider games in groups,
rather than just wanting to win our next game every time.
When interviewed on Radio WM yesterday, he said that it was a good
point as Wolves had to absorb tremendous pressure. He didn't say that
he was disappointed, as we should have won the game by half time. If he
can clearly see that we can't play our normal game and that we are
under the cosh, why not add some bite to mid-field?
"The pitch was too small and their players were too big, blah, blah,
blah". If we keep making excuses for under-performing players, then
they will continue to under-perform.
i wonder what he said behind closed doors ?
drsmileys/smiley16.gif
Edited by: dr cool
G-Wulf
12-09-2005, 16:10
Wolves clearly rode their luck in the second half, but matters were exacerbated by GH's decision not to replace Seol, who once again was totally ineffective.
Hang on a minute....I thought Seol was supposed to be the prodigal son, the great white hope, the saviour of all mankind etc, etc? smileys/smiley3.gif
Hang on a minute....I thought Seol was supposed to be the prodigal son, the great white hope, the saviour of all mankind etc, etc? smileys/smiley3.gif
whitemouse75
12-09-2005, 16:16
no thats vio ganea
Jack Bauer
12-09-2005, 17:55
No, it's Leroy Lita.
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