On Sky - Big Weekend - Patience Required

[WaltonOnTheHillWolf]

Just passing on what Kevin Blackwell said on sky's program tonight...

Am summarising but he said something along the lines of....

'Mick Is putting together a team of young talented but inexperienced players who need time to bed in...'

'Just hope he is given the time to get his team to gel together'

Like everyone else I am frustrated at the performances and results of late - but maybe we do need to take a step back and give Mick a chance...

[crocos]

Of course we need to give the situation a chance & some time, it's plain chuffing crazy thinking we can go down the "young & hungry" route (as the vast majority of us want/ed after years of throwing money at it cos wim'z a big club) and get instant success. If it were so easy, then why would anyone bother to spend decent money on players.

The attitude of some on here stinks and is downright embarrassing at times. I can't work out if it's simple ignorance or just being spoiled brats some of us.

[Stewarton Wolf]

Kevin Blackwell another loser manager making excuses for failure. MM said top two, so what the point of signing further players with limited experience when we have a squad full of them.

[Wolfman jack]

I largely agree but its important to understand that most of us feel we have gone backwards after an outstanding season last year, and a summer of investment. Raise the stakes and its further to fall. Lets hope Sylvian B.E. can ignite our season like Kites did last time, and all this bickering will be forgotten

[Paul76]

Wolves will go on to do great things in the next three years. These are exciting times for Wolves Imo. If it doesn't happen this year then I believe we'll kick ass next year.

[Stewarton Wolf]

Wolves will go on to do great things in the next three years. These are exciting times for Wolves Imo. If it doesn't happen this year then I believe we'll kick ass next year.
Wasn't that the view last season.

[AmericanWolf]

right, our players are only going to get better.

[kennyB]

You are making a serious misjudgement crocus, most of the fans are prepared to wait for success as long as they can see progress being made but all we've done since last season is go backwards and it is not mostly the player's fault but the way we are playing. Being ultra cautious in defence and simply whacking the ball up to the one or two strikers does not sensible or entertaining football make. Fans would be much happier to see us at least trying to play our way out of defence, through midfield and having strikers in the box being given more chances. If you have enjoyed the dross served up so far for most of this season then you are easily pleased. If we continue to play along the present lines then it doesn't matter who we sign we won't see much progress and that is what is frustrating the fans. Personally I and I'm sure every fan wants success for the club and I would never boo players like some but I can understand their feelings when they see us playing like a park team week after week.

[Stewarton Wolf]

right, our players are only going to get better.

And they didn't they went backwards...

[Paul76]

Wasn't that the view last season.

I didn't think automatic promotion was realistic this year but then that was just my hunch. I still think Wolves will go on to make the playoffs.

I think with the addition of a LB and a LW we're capable of an automatic slot.

[Taffywolf]

I didn't think automatic promotion was realistic this year but then that was just my hunch. I still think Wolves will go on to make the playoffs.

I think with the addition of a LB and a LW we're capable of an automatic slot.

You are right but Mick has been here about 18 months now so He should of addressed these problem positions by now. Instead we have a squad overbalanced with strikers.

[crocos]

Why oh why do some people associate the acceptance that these things take time with being happy with the way we're currently playing?

Would anyone on here dare say we're playing well at the moment? How can anyone even think we are?! It's deadly awful just now, NOBODY IS DISPUTING THAT!

Would anyone dare say they're enjoying the stuff we produce at the moment? They'd have to be bonkers to say / think that?! It's deadly awful just now, NOBODY IS DISPUTING THAT!

I don't doubt that anyone thinks we've gone forward of late, how could anyone think that - IT'S NOT THE POINT!

So - for the record - as no doubt one to be labelled as a "happy clapper" etc etc, blah-di-blah-di-blah, I'm not happy just now. Our football is dull, uninspired, turgid, blunt. No, I can't say I enjoy it.

But - I actually do believe that MM knows what he's doing; I actually do believe we are going to go places; I actually do believe we have the makings of an exciting, tough, young, up-for-it team; I just know these things don't happen overnight, and that these things have steps backwards as well as forwards. How can they possibly not do?!

We've finally got in place a regime & an approach that I've wanted for years, and it's an approach which when it comes good, WHICH IT WILL DO, will put us in a fantastic position to finally, after so many bleak years, get our bl**dy act together. And, ladies & gentlemen, THAT IS THE POINT!

So please. Some patience. Some faith. These will soon be exciting times for us.

[Paul76]

Excellent post Crocos.

[Oxford Wolf]

Something else Kevin Blackwell said tonight was that Jez and Mick had offered to delay the signing of Edwards to allow him to play in the Swansea and Liverpool games.

The administrators of the club would not allow it though in case he got injured and the deal fell through.

He said he was extremely appreciative to Jez, Mick and Wolves for the gesture.

[MK Panther]

Of course we need to give the situation a chance & some time, it's plain chuffing crazy thinking we can go down the "young & hungry" route (as the vast majority of us want/ed after years of throwing money at it cos wim'z a big club) and get instant success. If it were so easy, then why would anyone bother to spend decent money on players.

The attitude of some on here stinks and is downright embarrassing at times. I can't work out if it's simple ignorance or just being spoiled brats some of us.

I am a smelly, spoiled brat I want success after languishing in the lower leagues for far too long. let me have my promotion!

[306NOTOUT]

Couldn't agree more Crocos, but how much longer do we have to put up with the $$$$ playing people out of position?

I think people can put up with us playing pants aslong as they are trying to do things right and we can see development.

[djackl]

Crocus don't you get it? Young and hungry is only acceptable as long as we win every game!

[MK Panther]

Why oh why do some people associate the acceptance that these things take time with being happy with the way we're currently playing?

Would anyone on here dare say we're playing well at the moment? How can anyone even think we are?! It's deadly awful just now, NOBODY IS DISPUTING THAT!

Would anyone dare say they're enjoying the stuff we produce at the moment? They'd have to be bonkers to say / think that?! It's deadly awful just now, NOBODY IS DISPUTING THAT!

I don't doubt that anyone thinks we've gone forward of late, how could anyone think that - IT'S NOT THE POINT!

So - for the record - as no doubt one to be labelled as a "happy clapper" etc etc, blah-di-blah-di-blah, I'm not happy just now. Our football is dull, uninspired, turgid, blunt. No, I can't say I enjoy it.

But - I actually do believe that MM knows what he's doing; I actually do believe we are going to go places; I actually do believe we have the makings of an exciting, tough, young, up-for-it team; I just know these things don't happen overnight, and that these things have steps backwards as well as forwards. How can they possibly not do?!

We've finally got in place a regime & an approach that I've wanted for years, and it's an approach which when it comes good, WHICH IT WILL DO, will put us in a fantastic position to finally, after so many bleak years, get our bl**dy act together. And, ladies & gentlemen, THAT IS THE POINT!

So please. Some patience. Some faith. These will soon be exciting times for us.

Its dull and turgid, an approach you have always wanted and he knows what he is doing does not all go together. I am a bit smelly so I may not know what I am talking about.:)

[bod101]

Problem is with the young, hungry and patient route is how do you keep your best players these days? It may have been workable 5 or more years ago but not these days.

In my opinion two years is long enough to find out whether the management in place is going to be successful especially with decent funds available to buy players and I include starting with virtually no squad.

[Mr Wolf]

Anyone know how many points we had this time last year? If we really have gone backwards.

[wanderer24]

Wasn't that the view last season.

No, last season was 'oh my god i hope we don't get relegated and turns out the team showed a lot of promise and hunger'.

[Stewarton Wolf]

Anyone know how many points we had this time last year? If we really have gone backwards.
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[As High as a Kightly]

Jay Bothroyd was saying the Cambridge Utd game was the "most one-sided 2-1 game". Which game was he playing in? or did Mick say that to him, if so, which game was Mick watching?

[Dewsburywolf]

All the players in the squad are over 20 years old. Wayne Rooney and then James Milner broke the Youngest Goal scorer in the Premier League when they were 18. Young and Hungry? Am I missing something?

[jonesey85]

Why oh why do some people associate the acceptance that these things take time with being happy with the way we're currently playing?

Would anyone on here dare say we're playing well at the moment? How can anyone even think we are?! It's deadly awful just now, NOBODY IS DISPUTING THAT!

Would anyone dare say they're enjoying the stuff we produce at the moment? They'd have to be bonkers to say / think that?! It's deadly awful just now, NOBODY IS DISPUTING THAT!

I don't doubt that anyone thinks we've gone forward of late, how could anyone think that - IT'S NOT THE POINT!

So - for the record - as no doubt one to be labelled as a "happy clapper" etc etc, blah-di-blah-di-blah, I'm not happy just now. Our football is dull, uninspired, turgid, blunt. No, I can't say I enjoy it.

But - I actually do believe that MM knows what he's doing; I actually do believe we are going to go places; I actually do believe we have the makings of an exciting, tough, young, up-for-it team; I just know these things don't happen overnight, and that these things have steps backwards as well as forwards. How can they possibly not do?!

We've finally got in place a regime & an approach that I've wanted for years, and it's an approach which when it comes good, WHICH IT WILL DO, will put us in a fantastic position to finally, after so many bleak years, get our bl**dy act together. And, ladies & gentlemen, THAT IS THE POINT!

So please. Some patience. Some faith. These will soon be exciting times for us.

Post of the year. All 11 days of it!

[northnorfolkwolf]

People on here really p**s me off. We're always talking about building for next bloody season - what's wrong with this bloody season!!!! Christ, I'm 56 now, I'll be dead by the time this club gets promoted! I'm totally fed up with looking forward to Scunthorpe and Colchester, bring on United and Arsenal and make it quick!

[Stewarton Wolf]

All the players in the squad are over 20 years old. Wayne Rooney and then James Milner broke the Youngest Goal scorer in the Premier League when they were 18. Young and Hungry? Am I missing something?
Young and average at best...

[Wolv3nsam]

The club/manager made a mistake on saying that a top two spot was the target thus raising fan expectation, they should have come out and just said that this was still a young side prone to error that will try and improve on last year's position if possible.

But - I actually do believe that MM knows what he's doing; I actually do believe we are going to go places; I actually do believe we have the makings of an exciting, tough, young, up-for-it team; I just know these things don't happen overnight, and that these things have steps backwards as well as forwards. How can they possibly not do?!

We've finally got in place a regime & an approach that I've wanted for years, and it's an approach which when it comes good, WHICH IT WILL DO, will put us in a fantastic position to finally, after so many bleak years, get our bl**dy act together. And, ladies & gentlemen, THAT IS THE POINT!

So please. Some patience. Some faith. These will soon be exciting times for us.

Views I've shared for a while and it's the "Reading approach" that has been dubbed by some of us on here. Young players aren't a quick fix and it's going to take time.. let's put it this way, we look at WBA down the road who's leading scorer is 34, they have two other strikers who are only loanees and when they go back to their respective clubs will probably be given first team oppurtunities there. Now I don't know about you but I think we're far better equipped than they are even if their strikers are better for the time being, if they went up and Phillips retired and Bednar and Miller both got in the first teams at Hearts and Man City respectively, they'll be a bit in the $$$$ter won't they?

[goldeneyed]

Most people here agree wholeheartedly with the current policy of bringing in younger players with potential. It IS the right way to go so there are plenty of reasons for optimism including the recent two signings. HOWEVER MM has failed to find the right balance in the team despite having plenty of funds and time to play with. Now time is running out and he has to use his resources better and fill some of the obvious gaps with new signings.

It is not as if we are far off but we do need to sort out some long standing problem positions sooner rather than later. MM should have addressed these needs by now. Midfield and attack have been totally unconvincing and the defence without Hennessey and two defensive midfielders would have let in far more goals. The stats look good but our defensive players are in truth average at best.

Apart from seemingly being clueless on how to redress our goalscoring famine, a particular concern is the failure to start grooming or bringing in at least a couple of new talented young defenders to complement Foley (a good signing). We know Breen, Ward, Craddock, Edwards, Collins are not good enough or are too old for the Premiership. They will need to be shipped out if by some miracle we get promoted. The re-building of the defence is of vital importance and should be addressed now not in six months time.

Also we need a proper and talented playmaker and probably need to spend big to get one (unless Mark Davies can shine). Again a vital need. Cover for Kightly is crucial. A proper left winger crucial. Ship out the dead wood.

If we could just see that MM is aware of these needs and is doing something about creating a proper balance in the team, then the odd bad run would be much more bearable. But for virtually the whole of this season the team has been unbalanced, uncreative and often downright dour.
There is no hiding this and a couple of new signings cannot alter the fact that it has been a very disappointing season thus far.

We need another three good players in to fill the gaps this January otherwise we will struggle to get to top six never mind top two. So no complacency Messrs Morgan/Moxey/McCarthy there is still much work to do this January.

[HIGHLANDER]

Views I've shared for a while and it's the "Reading approach" that has been dubbed by some of us on here

"Let's do a Reading, it's easy"

The only problem with your idea is, we dont have Steve Coppell or a Kitson, Hunt, Lita, Sidwell, Harper, Doyle, Shorey, Murtey, Convey, Long e.t.c e.t.c....Instead, we have Ward, Collins, Elliot, Bothroyd e.t.c

[MK Panther]

People on here really p**s me off. We're always talking about building for next bloody season - what's wrong with this bloody season!!!! Christ, I'm 56 now, I'll be dead by the time this club gets promoted! I'm totally fed up with looking forward to Scunthorpe and Colchester, bring on United and Arsenal and make it quick!

I have have just got a quote to be cryogenically preserved and to be kept at an establishment near Gornal until Wolves are promoted again.

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[Akaman]

All the players in the squad are over 20 years old. Wayne Rooney and then James Milner broke the Youngest Goal scorer in the Premier League when they were 18. Young and Hungry? Am I missing something?

Think you'll find that they were 16. But if you class 20-22 as either old or experienced, you're wrong with the majority. Look at the number of games our players have played rather than how old they are. Gives a much better idea of how experienced a player is. I'm sure that at 22 Lescott had played something like 200 games for Wolves, I doubt that any of our younger players have played anything like that amount.

Wasn't that the view last season.

It was also the view of Arsenal's kids. They thought that they'd fly last year, it didn't happen because they were still learning. 2 years on though, they're absolutely flying. This squad of players will be very good, and they'll be easily good enough to win this division, whether it's this year, next year or the one after we can't be sure. But I agree with you on the point that MM said top two and we're nowhere near it. Personally I think it's down to the inconsistency of youth and inexperience, but they're only going to get consistent by playing more games.

Let's hope MM sorts out his best team in his own mind and then hopefully we'll be able to see just how far these players can go

[Davebull]

You cant spend almost £ 6 million on strikers in this league in 12 months and not be challenging for the top two.

If we dont improve into the very least a play off position then this alone will ( and probably rightfully ) cost MM his job.

I do however have some copletely irrtional renewed optimism all of a sudden though, irrespective of the signings. Lets hope its not dashed tomorrow.

[Stewarton Wolf]

This squad of players will be very good, and they'll be easily good enough to win this division, whether it's this year, next year or the one after we can't be sure.

If you are right and they are a good group of young players (I don't agree) do you honestly think we will be able to hold onto them for three seasons while they mature? And will they be prepared to wait?

There is nobody in the side Kightly and Hennessey included that would hold down a place in a decent premier side week in, week out. We can also use MM's Sunderland track record with young hungry, undiscovered talent, how many of his side that he signed play in the premiership regularly. How many have gone on to better things?

[Akaman]

If you are right and they are a good group of young players (I don't agree) do you honestly think we will be able to hold onto them for three seasons while they mature? And will they be prepared to wait?

There is nobody in the side Kightly and Hennessey included that would hold down a place in a decent premier side week in, week out. We can also use MM's Sunderland track record with young hungry, undiscovered talent, how many of his side that he signed play in the premiership regularly. How many have gone on to better things?


Didn't say we'd keep them! As a squad, they will be good enough if we were to keep them together but the only way to do that in my opinion is to get promoted or they'll all end up moving on to prem clubs. Some of the players we have now, such as Hennessey and Kightly are attracting Prem interest, and quite rightly.

But let's not forget they are all young and are only going to get better. I'm sure that the aforementioned 2, Foley, Potter, Eastwood (and now Ebanks Blake) will all go on to have careers with at least decent Premiership sides if not good ones. It's about us becoming that side with which they're going to have their career.

[Mugwump]

You gotta be kidding me stewarton, hennesey and kightly would get in most mid table premier league sides. We dont have a lot else but those two could hold down a place .

[Wolv3nsam]

"Let's do a Reading, it's easy"

The only problem with your idea is, we dont have Steve Coppell or a Kitson, Hunt, Lita, Sidwell, Harper, Doyle, Shorey, Murtey, Convey, Long e.t.c e.t.c....Instead, we have Ward, Collins, Elliot, Bothroyd e.t.c

I don't think I said it was easy, it's time consuming, painfully boring and full of error. Though at the end it all pays off.

Yes we don't have these players, but what's saying we can't bring in players who are up to that standard? Reading are doing well in the Premiership because their players bring out the best in eachother, their side is balanced and the first 11 rarely changes. So we still have a long way to go really. Though all of Readings buys were bargains (I imagine, considering how well they're doing now anyway) and were from lower league clubs, much like we're doing now really. I'm sure Reading had a lot of duds on the way like we're having too.

- Admittedly Steve Coppell is a better manager than Mick, so I'll give you that one.
- Shorey was from Leyton Orient
- Harper was an academy graduate
- Convey was from DC United
- Hunt was from Brentford
- Doyle was from Cork
- Kitson was from Cambridge
- Lita was from Bristol City
- Murty was from York
- Long is an academy graduate
- Sidwell was from Arsenal (though didn't get into the first team and had loan spells at Brentford, Brighton, etc.)

On paper, Sidwell perhaps the only exception, those players don't look as if they've got a chance of surviving in the Premier League, no? But they did and finished top half. I'm not saying we'll do the same, but we're following a similar blueprint of: buy youngsters from the lower leagues for basement prices who are only joining the club because they want to play for it and agree to our wage structure.

Think you'll find that they were 16. But if you class 20-22 as either old or experienced, you're wrong with the majority. Look at the number of games our players have played rather than how old they are. Gives a much better idea of how experienced a player is. I'm sure that at 22 Lescott had played something like 200 games for Wolves, I doubt that any of our younger players have played anything like that amount.


Little is a good example of a young player who I personally think will go far at this club/in his career if he gets more experience (which this loan move should bring) as he's still fairly raw and rash in his decision making. He's only 19 and has played about 39 games for us.

[Mugwump]

long came to reading from cork with doyle i think and harper was from arsenal.

[Wolv3nsam]

long came to reading from cork with doyle i think and harper was from arsenal.

Oh yes, excuse me then. Though I still doubt they cost mega bucks.

[Mugwump]

i doubt if they did, reading were never exactly known as being big spenders were they?

[Wolv3nsam]

Not usually, no. Now people might get me wrong and think I'm saying we will definitely doing a Reading, but I'm not. It's the only approach we have left. We proved that you can't go anywhere by throwing money at things, Roy Keane is proving that at Sunderland too. Spent about £40m in the summer and they're still flirting with relegation.

[nimrod]

I want the club to take a longer term view and bring through young talented players. The tsrating point is to sort out the backroom structure, Director of football, Coaching, Academy, Scouting ... Other than losing our Academy chief it seems we've got the same structure from DJ's days when we were buying so called "complete" players. If the club want to tell me they have a new policy, I'd like to see some joined up writing in it.

I wholeheartedly agree the players we've bought need time to settle in and it's crazy some things written on here about whether they'll play or not. At the same time you don't spend £2m in a transfer window on players that aren't expected to make an immediate differnce to the team. SEB and Freddy aren't cheap players - that's a £3m strikeforce.

[Japan Wulf]

"Let's do a Reading, it's easy"

The only problem with your idea is, we dont have Steve Coppell or a Kitson, Hunt, Lita, Sidwell, Harper, Doyle, Shorey, Murtey, Convey, Long e.t.c e.t.c....Instead, we have Ward, Collins, Elliot, Bothroyd e.t.c

Very true. But Reading didn't do it in a season and a half either.

[UNCLE REMUS]

I'll repeat my comment of yesterday, if you don't want to support the Wolves then go and take up thy calculator go forth and multiply.

Repeating another comment made several days ago, we have had twenty managers in 40 years and we are no further forward. I think Mick is at a pivotal stage now, but lets give him a chance, lets see what the season gives us. I think it took Reading for instance several seasons to get their act together. I do beleive Ferguson was just as derided in his early days at Manure.

Buckley(Pre-War) took several years to get things going before the war and he depended a lot on young players.

I think however that to achieve anything, he needs the leader on the pitch, we he hasn't got at present.

[Wolv3nsam]

It took Coppell about 3 seasons to get Reading up I think.

[John]

I'll repeat my comment of yesterday, if you don't want to support the Wolves then go and take up thy calculator go forth and multiply.
Who on here doesn't want to support Wolves? (Apart from the thread killer).
Why should you be the person who decides how people should support the team?

[Stewarton Wolf]

Repeating another comment made several days ago, we have had twenty managers in 40 years and we are no further forward. I think Mick is at a pivotal stage now, but lets give him a chance, lets see what the season gives us. I think it took Reading for instance several seasons to get their act together. I do beleive Ferguson was just as derided in his early days at Manure.


Ferguson had won a significant number of trophy's with Aberdeen.

Aberdeen 1978–1986

Domestic competition

Scottish League: (3) 1979-80, 1983-84, 1984-85
Runners-Up: (2) 1980-81, 1981-82
Scottish Cup: (4) 1981-82, 1982-83, 1983-84, 1985-86
Scottish League Cup: (1) 1985-86
Runners-Up: (2) 1978-79, 1979-80 European competition

European Cup Winners Cup: (1) 1982-83
UEFA Super Cup: (1) 1983-84While Mick has won

1 Football League Championship

Has hardly won a game as a manager in the Premier. Yes he's the next AF. You really are having a laugh.

While researching this post I found this little snippet, if the is one thing McCarthy is in a league of his own its excuses...

Musing on what separated the Black Cats from victory and defeat last night, McCarthy said: "They took their chances and we didn't - that's the difference at this level.
"City have Darius Vassell up front who is an England player and Andy Cole who has umpteen England caps under his belt and a stackload of Premiership goals to boot.
"Their second goal was scored by Trevor Sinclair who is another one who has regularly been in England squads so you have to appreciate you are up against quality players who can hurt you.
"Their chances fell to accomplished finishers and they punished us when the opportunities presented themselves.
"We didn't have that same touch of quality when it was required."

Elliot was in that team...

[leedswolf]

Stewarton, Ferguson's Aberdeen achievements meant absolutely nothing when the knives were out for him at Old Trafford. A Mark Robbins goal at Forest changed it all and the rest is history. To suggest that Uncle Remus is comparing McCarthy's managerial record with that of Ferguson is ridiculous. UR was merely indicating that some of the ManUre faithful were all for him being dismissed based on his apparent short comings at OT.

[Stewarton Wolf]

Stewarton, Ferguson's Aberdeen achievements meant absolutely nothing when the knives were out for him at Old Trafford. A Mark Robbins goal at Forest changed it all and the rest is history. To suggest that Uncle Remus is comparing McCarthy's managerial record with that of Ferguson is ridiculous. UR was merely indicating that some of the ManUre faithful were all for him being dismissed based on his apparent short comings at OT.

I agree that past success means nothing if you are failing to deliver, however he did use Ferguson as an example and as such his track record has to be referred to. What I'm saying is that MM is failing and there is little in his locker to suggest thing will get better.

MM should be sacked for his shortcomings a Wolves.

[glasgowwolf]

All the players in the squad are over 20 years old. Wayne Rooney and then James Milner broke the Youngest Goal scorer in the Premier League when they were 18. Young and Hungry? Am I missing something?

Yes your missing a lot.

Most players of that age cannot cope with the rigeurs of Premiership football.

There are some exceptions.....

Gerrard, Rooney, Norman Whiteside, to name a few. However they are exceptional talents who have gone on to be some of the best players in the world.

Each player is different for every Rooney, Gerrard, there are 40 or 50 players that cannot play at that level at that age.

Anyone who has been involved with Child development will tell you that there is a + 2 and - 2 difference in size, build for each age. That is why the majority of professional players tend to be born before xmas.

This means 1 player could look/be built like someone 4 years older than another player at the same age.

This team is extremely young and inexperienced in footballing terms.

Young players cannot maintain that level of performance week in week out, they have dips in Confidence they have dips in performance, they also have maturity issues, remember Boys / Men mature at a really slow pace compared to girls.

Footballers only peak for 2 or 3 years 26 - 29, most of ours despite the muppet like comments you hear from people that have never been involved with children and development in sport are still very, very young and inexperienced.

[duanepipe]

Something else Kevin Blackwell said tonight was that Jez and Mick had offered to delay the signing of Edwards to allow him to play in the Swansea and Liverpool games.

The administrators of the club would not allow it though in case he got injured and the deal fell through.

He said he was extremely appreciative to Jez, Mick and Wolves for the gesture.

Personally I'm amazed by that. We're not in a position to be making charitable gestures. If we see this lad as an important asset to our squad, where do we get off playing the nice guy in all this? What happens if the lad goes out and gets his leg broken in one of those two games?

I like Moxey and am in the happy clap camp regard the manager but this strikes me as a highly odd gesture to make given where we are.

[glasgowwolf]

Ferguson had won a significant number of trophy's with Aberdeen.

Aberdeen 1978–1986

Domestic competition

Scottish League: (3) 1979-80, 1983-84, 1984-85
Runners-Up: (2) 1980-81, 1981-82
Scottish Cup: (4) 1981-82, 1982-83, 1983-84, 1985-86
Scottish League Cup: (1) 1985-86
Runners-Up: (2) 1978-79, 1979-80 European competition

European Cup Winners Cup: (1) 1982-83
UEFA Super Cup: (1) 1983-84While Mick has won

1 Football League Championship

Has hardly won a game as a manager in the Premier. Yes he's the next AF. You really are having a laugh.

While researching this post I found this little snippet, if the is one thing McCarthy is in a league of his own its excuses...

Musing on what separated the Black Cats from victory and defeat last night, McCarthy said: "They took their chances and we didn't - that's the difference at this level.
"City have Darius Vassell up front who is an England player and Andy Cole who has umpteen England caps under his belt and a stackload of Premiership goals to boot.
"Their second goal was scored by Trevor Sinclair who is another one who has regularly been in England squads so you have to appreciate you are up against quality players who can hurt you.
"Their chances fell to accomplished finishers and they punished us when the opportunities presented themselves.
"We didn't have that same touch of quality when it was required."

Elliot was in that team...

Stewarton Why on earth do you not stay with Celtic.
I know why you continually deride McCarthy, you are like all Celtic fans think he was the manager that dared to stand up the the great Celt Keane and is therefore not worthy of doing anything in football again.......

What McCarthy said above is spot on. No one on here say's Elliott is anywhere near Cole, Vassel et al. But the main thing you are missing is at the time Elliott was a youngster starting out in a career Cole and Vassel were at the top of their's, infact Elliott is still a youngster starting out on a career, after a seriously long time out through injury.

IT WILL TAKE TIME......

Reading did not lose there players in the Championship, neither will we yet. We may lose Kightly if we are not promoted in 2 or 3 years. If we do we have to deal with that, I want to see young players preferably local to Wolverhampton, preferably English. We were at our best when the team was built on foundations that took years to lay.


We have sacked loads of managers in 20 years
Newcastle have sacked loads of managers in 20 years

The more successful teams have had the same manager for 5+ years, lets change things shall we, instead of sacking the manager the first time his team stutters, meaning we have another manager come in and start to rebuild only to get the sack when his team stutters.

WHY NOT LET THIS MANAGER COMPLETE HIS REBUILDING OF THE TEAM. LETS GIVE HIM TIME TO PUT FOUNDATIONS IN PLACE. LETS GIVE HIM TIME

[glasgowwolf]

Personally I'm amazed by that. We're not in a position to be making charitable gestures. If we see this lad as an important asset to our squad, where do we get off playing the nice guy in all this? What happens if the lad goes out and gets his leg broken in one of those two games?

I like Moxey and am in the happy clap camp regard the manager but this strikes me as a highly odd gesture to make given where we are.

I applaud the gesture......

We were in the position Luton were in....
For Luton to stand a chance of winning, and maybe guaranteeing survival they need there better players......
Also think of the player his chance to play at one of the greatest club stadiums in the world against one of the most famous clubs in the world, infront of 40,000 +.
That gesture was only small, but will stand Wolves in high regard with others in the game......

[John]

I don't think many people would have a problem with this seasons development and form dips if we were continuing to try and play our way through it.
The fact that our football has deteriorated, never mind the results, is of most concern to people.
This season has not seen a good 90 mins from the side, and right from the start we have not been performing, or attempting to perform in the manner which we found to be successful last year.
When we lost to Southampton we were still playing that game with style, which is why the support was there.
People do appreciatte a team will make mistakes and get things wrong, but even then we expect to see the team attempting the same style.
We have deteriorated on a football level and that isn't part of the teams developing.

[djackl]

"On a football level"? What does that even mean?

During a bad run of form, the team will always look as if it is going backwards. That is what a bad run of form is. Just look at how Man Utd were doing at the start of this season.

We've tried the 1 manager per 2 seasons method before and we're still at this level. All we need is the resilience to try another method. Clearly some fans lack that.

[duanepipe]

I applaud the gesture......

We were in the position Luton were in....
For Luton to stand a chance of winning, and maybe guaranteeing survival they need there better players......
Also think of the player his chance to play at one of the greatest club stadiums in the world against one of the most famous clubs in the world, infront of 40,000 +.
That gesture was only small, but will stand Wolves in high regard with others in the game......

I disagree. If this player is good enough to give Luton a chance of beating Liverpool then (I'm happy) he must be good enough to give us a chance of winning our next game. Luton are already in administration. The player has already been sold, a deal done. With this gesture we basically expose the player (who knows he's moving) to two games where he could pick up a serious injury in a battle which Luton have already lost. They aren't going to beat Liverpool at Anfield, the money from their cup run ends at Anfield and the money from that tie is already accounted for.

Letting them have the player is like trying to use a thimble to hold back a flood. Where as we actually could make some use of him. I think it was a foolhardy gesture with little or no logic to it. Just my opinion.

[John]

"On a football level"? What does that even mean?
Are you for real?
Compare the style of football the team employed last year, to that which we are employing now.
We are not attempting to play anywhere near the same style of football.
If we were still attempting to put the basics of last seasons style into place and it wasn't coming off because of a lack of confidence, most people I speak to would be prepared to accept that.
Our style and approach to the game is now totally different.

[Stewarton Wolf]

Stewarton Why on earth do you not stay with Celtic.
I know why you continually deride McCarthy, you are like all Celtic fans think he was the manager that dared to stand up the the great Celt Keane and is therefore not worthy of doing anything in football again.......

What McCarthy said above is spot on. No one on here say's Elliott is anywhere near Cole, Vassel et al. But the main thing you are missing is at the time Elliott was a youngster starting out in a career Cole and Vassel were at the top of their's, infact Elliott is still a youngster starting out on a career, after a seriously long time out through injury.

IT WILL TAKE TIME......

Reading did not lose there players in the Championship, neither will we yet. We may lose Kightly if we are not promoted in 2 or 3 years. If we do we have to deal with that, I want to see young players preferably local to Wolverhampton, preferably English. We were at our best when the team was built on foundations that took years to lay.


We have sacked loads of managers in 20 years
Newcastle have sacked loads of managers in 20 years

The more successful teams have had the same manager for 5+ years, lets change things shall we, instead of sacking the manager the first time his team stutters, meaning we have another manager come in and start to rebuild only to get the sack when his team stutters.

WHY NOT LET THIS MANAGER COMPLETE HIS REBUILDING OF THE TEAM. LETS GIVE HIM TIME TO PUT FOUNDATIONS IN PLACE. LETS GIVE HIM TIME
Its nothing about Roy Keane. Its the fact that McCarthy is not a very good manager and the football that I watch is shocking, and the player that he buys are limited.

and I would swap places with Newcastle over the past 20 years because they have been to cup finals and played in the Champions League/Europe - some failure that.

[Oldgold Wolfcub]

I don't think many people would have a problem with this seasons development and form dips if we were continuing to try and play our way through it.
The fact that our football has deteriorated, never mind the results, is of most concern to people.
This season has not seen a good 90 mins from the side, and right from the start we have not been performing, or attempting to perform in the manner which we found to be successful last year.
When we lost to Southampton we were still playing that game with style, which is why the support was there.
People do appreciatte a team will make mistakes and get things wrong, but even then we expect to see the team attempting the same style.
We have deteriorated on a football level and that isn't part of the teams developing.
Unfortunately many will not be recognising what you are saying including McCarthy. They see nothing wrong that is attributable to the manager and some nothing wrong at all. If you cant see a problem how can you sort it out.
It does not matter how many players MM brings in if he cant get the best out of them. Yes by all means give a manager time but only if he has the skill to be a good manager but if does not he is only going to take the club down further. Most of our managers we have kept for too long not too short once they have proved they cannot do it.

[purplepault69]

I applaud the gesture......

We were in the position Luton were in....
For Luton to stand a chance of winning, and maybe guaranteeing survival they need there better players......
Also think of the player his chance to play at one of the greatest club stadiums in the world against one of the most famous clubs in the world, infront of 40,000 +.
That gesture was only small, but will stand Wolves in high regard with others in the game......

I also applaud the gesture and think that had he played then it would help to give him the hunger to play at that level every week with WWFC.

[glasgowwolf]

Stewarton I don't believe you for 1 minute.

Whilst we all accept the football is awful to watch, how much of it is down to the atmosphere..... Players are simple creatures, and like artists very vulnerable. Some players will hide, hence defenders just choosing to Hoof the ball long.

It takes a big heart to be available and accept the ball when it seems like 20,000 people are barracking you for the slightest misplaced pass.

We as fans have to accept at some point at the moment we are a championship team not a premiership team. We are building for the future, we are laying foundations that wil hopefully see us a premiership club once more.
It is difficult to sit there and accept it when things go wrong.

It took Coppel a few years to get it right.
It tokk Allardice 8 years to get it right at Bolton
It took Hughes a few years to sort Blackburn in to a team

No matter where you start it takes time for someone to change it round.

McCarthy took over a club on it's knees, he has turned us to a Play off chasing club in a few months let him finish the job

[Stewarton Wolf]

Glasgow - I have held my views on McCarthy after watching his team from the early part of last season not this one. I don't really care if you believe me or not, but you are wrong over Keane for one simple reason I support Scotland not Ireland, and as such their falling out in Saipan has no impact on me at all. I will point out that McCarthy's poor man management has shone through his time at Wolves and has a track record as long as his arm.

We will not go up with McCarthy in charge and his last hope Kightly has just been ruled out for another 6 weeks.....

Sack him now and lets move on.

[Davebull]

Did it take Sam Allardice 8 yeas to get it right at Bolton ? I thought he got promoted i his first full season and stayed there ever since ? Seems to be getting it right rather quickly in my opinion.

[Kent_wolves_29]

We may not also go up because people like you keep wasting your time, money & breath on NOT supporting your your team in a manner that is beneficial to the cause.......

You are good for one thing, though Stewarton. You've provided me with some substance to a recent e-mail to Wolves with a few attachments (of your posts surrounding the team and MM). Hopefully they will read them and maybe put a few snippets of your bull on the dressing room wall. Come May, they'll hopefully provide a cheque for you somehow so that you can purchase a WBA shirt (thats assuming you don't own one already) and be told to stick your negativity into a team in Sandwell.

[John]

We may not also go up because people like you keep wasting your time, money & breath on NOT supporting your your team in a manner that is beneficial to the cause.....
Again another Wolves supporter who thinks that they have the right to decide how fellow supporters should follow the team.
Not everyone has to do it your way.
Accept it and move on.

[Kent_wolves_29]

Dear John

This is my opinion. Agree, disagree - I really don't care. I SUPPORT my team in the same way the majority do on here. Other people, seem to continually have an agenda to criticise far too much and forget the ethos of supporting your team.

[astraltrader]

Again another Wolves supporter who thinks that they have the right to decide how fellow supporters should follow the team.
Not everyone has to do it your way.
Accept it and move on.

Have to agree with that...

[Nashie]

Wasn't that the view last season.

Not from me. I thought that it would still take another 2 seasons before we had a balanced attacking side.

[HIGHLANDER]

I don't think I said it was easy, it's time consuming, painfully boring and full of error. Though at the end it all pays off.

Yes we don't have these players, but what's saying we can't bring in players who are up to that standard? Reading are doing well in the Premiership because their players bring out the best in eachother, their side is balanced and the first 11 rarely changes. So we still have a long way to go really. Though all of Readings buys were bargains (I imagine, considering how well they're doing now anyway) and were from lower league clubs, much like we're doing now really. I'm sure Reading had a lot of duds on the way like we're having too.

- Admittedly Steve Coppell is a better manager than Mick, so I'll give you that one.
- Shorey was from Leyton Orient
- Harper was an academy graduate
- Convey was from DC United
- Hunt was from Brentford
- Doyle was from Cork
- Kitson was from Cambridge
- Lita was from Bristol City
- Murty was from York
- Long is an academy graduate
- Sidwell was from Arsenal (though didn't get into the first team and had loan spells at Brentford, Brighton, etc.)

On paper, Sidwell perhaps the only exception, those players don't look as if they've got a chance of surviving in the Premier League, no? But they did and finished top half. I'm not saying we'll do the same, but we're following a similar blueprint of: buy youngsters from the lower leagues for basement prices who are only joining the club because they want to play for it and agree to our wage structure.



Little is a good example of a young player who I personally think will go far at this club/in his career if he gets more experience (which this loan move should bring) as he's still fairly raw and rash in his decision making. He's only 19 and has played about 39 games for us.

You are just a dreamer mate if you think we are going to "do a Reading"
We're a million miles away from it at the moment.

You have to remember Coppell hardly spent any money at all getting Reading promoted, whereas McCarthy has now spent £7m, a fortune in Championship terms, on new players this season. If we don't at least get in to the play-offs I hope he is sacked, just like any other manager would be.

[crocos]

7 million - "a fortune in Championship terms"?!

What planet are you on??!

A) 7 million is definitely NOT a fortune these days, even in The Championship

B) I suspect that other clubs pay significantly more in wages than we do. So for instance the Blades haven't spent that much on actually buying players recently - but I'll bet they're paying the likes of Speed, Beattie etc a pretty hefty salary instead. There was even talk the other day of them going back to Notlob for Stelios, a player I'd love to see with us. His wages would be something else I'd've thought!

[Harlow Wolf]

I applaud the gesture......

We were in the position Luton were in....
For Luton to stand a chance of winning, and maybe guaranteeing survival they need there better players......
Also think of the player his chance to play at one of the greatest club stadiums in the world against one of the most famous clubs in the world, infront of 40,000 +.
That gesture was only small, but will stand Wolves in high regard with others in the game......

I too think its a gesture that reflects well on us as a club. Much of football these days is greed orientated and its a rare example of someone looking outside their own narrow interests.

[HIGHLANDER]

It took Coppel a few years to get it right.
What do you mean by a "few years" ? It took Coppell 1year and 10 months to turn things around.

Joined Reading Oct 9 2003, team started producing Aug 2005, Promoted May 2006.


It tokk Allardice 8 years to get it right at Bolton 8 years are you sure?

You don't have a clue what you are taliking about on this one. Allardyce took over Bolton at the start of the 99/00 season, lost in the play-off in his first season, promoted by winning the play-off final the following season. Instant success.


It took Hughes a few years to sort Blackburn in to a team You what??

Hughes took over from Souness in 2004/05 and secured their premiership future after they looked like relegation certainties. The following season they qualified for Europe. Instant success.


Meanwhile back at Molineux.

[Oldgold Wolfcub]

7 million - "a fortune in Championship terms"?!

What planet are you on??!

A) 7 million is definitely NOT a fortune these days, even in The Championship

B) I suspect that other clubs pay significantly more in wages than we do. So for instance the Blades haven't spent that much on actually buying players recently - but I'll bet they're paying the likes of Speed, Beattie etc a pretty hefty salary instead. There was even talk the other day of them going back to Notlob for Stelios, a player I'd love to see with us. His wages would be something else I'd've thought!
Look at the clubs above us. There are plenty that have not spent anywhere near were we have or probably the wages. You accuse others of being on a different planet!!! No wonder you were labelled as crocos hit.

[wanderer24]

My patience is wearing very thin.

[wolvesman]

Wasn't that the view last season.

Thank God there were not many like Stewarton and Oldgold in 1939.
We lost the cup but won the war :D

[Oldgold Wolfcub]

Thank God there were not many like Stewarton in 1939.:D
Thank God that McCarthy was not our prime minister in 1939:eek: