View Full Version : If only Mccarthy didnt play defensively
This team could cause a lot of damage IMO when all players available and fit.. similar to our attack minded side in Jones's era..
Hennesey
Foley--- Ward-- Craddock- Gray( New LB?)
Kights-- Holding midfielder ( George?)-- Jarvis
----- Keogh-------------
--Eastwood--- SEB--
Keogh would suit the side better IMO as an attacking midfielder ( in the way that colin cameron did) and add the bit of creativity and willingness to support the front men.
Play with an attacking mentality would bring the best out of Eastwood and Kights
Ward and Craddock in by default at the moment as they are the best defensive pairing we have had this season.
Anyone else think along the same lines?
ProudWolf
10-01-2008, 23:08
Keogh's not a central midfielder.
PeteWolf
10-01-2008, 23:12
It looks good going forward, but I think it would invite a lot of pressure onto the defence, particularly on counter attacks if Kightly has been pushing forwards.
Still think we need a minimum of 1 new central defender, and we shouldn't be scared to spend big on them (thinking of bids £2m upwards for the right player).
Keogh's not a central midfielder.
Nor is he a centre forward..He creates more than he scores which is why sharp got all his goals at scunny.. most were created by Keogh..
Has the ability to play "in the hole" in the correct system.
What we have lacked this season is a creative spark from midfield, none of our other midfielders ( obviously cant comment on the new lad from Luton) create anything and Mccarthy refuses to play Davies or Gleeson in that role so why not give keogh an opportunity in that position..
ice cream head
10-01-2008, 23:18
so why not give keogh an opportunity in that position..
Because, with the formation you are advacating, we would be murdered down the wings..
ProudWolf
10-01-2008, 23:22
Nor is he a centre forward..He creates more than he scores which is why sharp got all his goals at scunny.. most were created by Keogh..
Has the ability to play "in the hole" in the correct system.
What we have lacked this season is a creative spark from midfield, none of our other midfielders ( obviously cant comment on the new lad from Luton) create anything and Mccarthy refuses to play Davies or Gleeson in that role so why not give keogh an opportunity in that position..
He's not a striker? Hmm, I must've imagined all those excellent performances he's put in for us, leading the line and stretching defences. I wonder if Billy Sharp would've scored all those goals if Keogh was playing centre midfield? Doubt it.
There's also a difference between playing centre mid in a 4-4-2 and playing in the hole. That's a 4-3-1-2 where you require three central midfield players protecting a luxury player and two mobile strikers. Lets turn Kightly into a defensive midfielder shall we?
I'd say tactics aren't your strong point.
Welsh Y'am Y'am
10-01-2008, 23:23
the main flaw here is seyi as the holding midfielder
also, having someone play in the hole behind the strikers means sacrificing a winger cos else we'd get murdered defensively. When kightly and jarvis were both unfit, playing keogh behind a front 2 would have been ideal, narrowing the play and havin gibson, henry and olo in midfield.... but mick doesn't understand using other formations and tactics n that.
Because, with the formation you are advacating, we would be murdered down the wings..
Not neccasirily.. Kights and Jarvis both get involved far more defensively than any other wide men we have had in the side this season..
Remember that the best football we have seen from a Wolves side in the last 20 years IMO has come from playing an attacking formation and 2 wingers..
At present most teams arent too fussed about us as an attacking force apart from trying to mark Kightly out of a game
ProudWolf
10-01-2008, 23:35
Playing a striker who doesn't score many goals in midfield doesn't mean you become an attacking team. Even more so in a 4-4-2. You need proper midfield players especially in the central places. Colin Cameron was a midfielder by trade who got forward and was a threat going forward. Keogh is a striker. Totally different.
You're advocating we either tuck Kighlty and Jarvis in and spoil their attacking qualities or we play with one central midfielder. No team would do that, even less so with our crop of centre-backs!
PeteWolf
10-01-2008, 23:55
How about going old school?
........................Hennessey................. .......
..............Craddock.......D. Ward..................
....Foley...............Henry.............Gray.... .....
.................................................. ............
.................................................. ............
..Kightly....Keogh.....SEB...Eastwood....Jarvis..
It would suit McCarthy's long ball style and the relative lack of skill we have in the middle.
Bang it up to Keogh, Kightly or Javis and that team would have goals in it (probably at both ends unfortunately!).
ice cream head
10-01-2008, 23:55
Remember that the best football we have seen from a Wolves side in the last 20 years IMO has come from playing an attacking formation and 2 wingers..
I think we're on the same page when it comes to wingers. I love seeing a good flying wide man more than anyone, from Dennison to Frogatt and Kennedy to Kightly we've had some very good players in those positions over the past 10 years at Wolves.
However when we have seen some very good football at Molineux over the past couple of decades, it's been achieved playing a 4-4-2 formation - 2 attacking wingers with at least one hard midfielder, be it Downing, Ince or Rae supplemented with a central midfielder who likes to get himself into the box and score a few goals. What you're advocating is playing Keogh in a more forward position than your normal box to box midfielder which would leave the team badly lacking in the centre of the park. This would force Kightly and Jarvis into more central positions which would leave the flanks wide open for the opposition to attack.
Like I said, I agree with you about having 2 attacking wide men on the pitch but for this to be successful we really need to play at least 1 snotter in the centre of the park. I don't think Olofinjana is that man to be honest, as much as I like him as a footballer, and the only player that we have who comes close is Henry - who i'm not fully convinced about either as he offers next to nothing going forward. Perhaps Edwards can fill this gap but from what I've read I'm not so sure..
Hopefully we'll sign Ledley and be able to play both him and Kightly on the wings with 2 of Gibson, Edwards, Olo or Henry in the middle and it will work out well... I would like to see us buy another Ince but I don't think it will happen, unfortunately... We'll have to hope at least 1 of the 4 step up to the plate and start flying into tackles and dominating the centre of the park, giving the wide men more license to attack the flanks..
MK Panther
11-01-2008, 00:08
How about going old school?
........................Hennessey................. .......
..............Craddock.......D. Ward..................
....Foley...............Henry.............Gray.... .....
.................................................. ............
.................................................. ............
..Kightly....Keogh.....SEB...Eastwood....Jarvis..
It would suit McCarthy's long ball style and the relative lack of skill we have in the middle.
Bang it up to Keogh, Kightly or Javis and that team would have goals in it (probably at both ends unfortunately!).
What about
........................Hennessey................. .......
..............New Player....New Player..................
....New Player.......New Player........Gray.........
..Kightly....Keogh.....SEB...Eastwood....Jarvis..
Adrian_Monk
11-01-2008, 00:24
it always amuses me when people mention keith downing as this legendary midfield makelele that we never replaced when he left. Granted he was a fans favourite for his psychotic demeanour and aggressive nature, but he only ever played when nigel vaughan or mick gooding were out injured after we got promoted to the old division three. Even the likes of phil robinson, phil chard and rob kelly would keep him out the side. I admit i liked him as a player and he was a good servant to us over the years, but the way some talk on here you'd think he was as good as mike bailey.
morosewolf
11-01-2008, 00:35
it always amuses me when people mention keith downing as this legendary midfield makelele that we never replaced when he left. Granted he was a fans favourite for his psychotic demeanour and aggressive nature, but he only ever played when nigel vaughan or mick gooding were out injured after we got promoted to the old division three. Even the likes of phil robinson, phil chard and rob kelly would keep him out the side. The way some talk on here you'd think he was as good as mike bailey.
... so out of interest why did Downing play more than both of those 2 in our first season in (old Div 2) and Gooding eventually go to Reading beacuse of lack of first team games?
ice cream head
11-01-2008, 00:42
he only ever played when nigel vaughan or mick gooding were out injured after we got promoted to the old division three. Even the likes of phil robinson, phil chard and rob kelly would keep him out the side.
He played over 200 games in a 6 year period at the club and was a regular when we were first promoted to this division, long after Robinson, Vaughan, Chard and Kelly had left. I will dig out some old programmes tomorrow to make sure i'm not talking out of my $$$$, although i'm fairly certain i'm not.
I will dig out some old programmes tomorrow to make sure i'm not talking out of my $$$$, although i'm fairly certain i'm not.
Any excuse to spend Saturday morning reading through your old programmes.
He played over 200 games in a 6 year period at the club and was a regular when we were first promoted to this division, long after Robinson, Vaughan, Chard and Kelly had left. I will dig out some old programmes tomorrow to make sure i'm not talking out of my $$$$, although i'm fairly certain i'm not.
You're right in this, he played a lot when we first came back up again.
Del Woppio
11-01-2008, 08:57
Keogh. Is. A. Forward.
ice cream head
12-01-2008, 00:27
Any excuse to spend Saturday morning reading through your old programmes.
Those were the days my friend..
And yes, Downing was a regular during Wolves' first seasons back in this hell hole of a division..
Think it's more about MM telling his attack minded players to, er, attack, rather than work hard and track back. Personally I don't care how lazy a forward is, if he knocks it in the net I'm happy. MM's spoilt with Kightly (who I think works far too hard), he runs everywhere. Were he to be a bit more intelligent with how he spends his energy he'd be absolutely frightning. Don't think your formation would work though Powelly! Can't have Keogh there, forget round pegs square holes, it's more star shaped pegs, hexagonal holes!
Adrian_Monk
12-01-2008, 00:40
my memory isn't quite what it used to be although i do recall him celebrating with bully against derby, think he may have even scored that day as well, adding to bulls hat trick if i remember rightly. Still think that he's become ten times the player since he stopped playing though.
Welsh Y'am Y'am
12-01-2008, 00:46
Wasn't downing still at the wolves when we beat the blues 4-0 at home - Darren Roberts scoring a hatrick on his debut, getting subbed off at half time and winning man of the match from Central sports.... Downing scored the 4th goal sliding in with his knees at the far post?
