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Can i be the first to welcome you to the Wolves and while i am it how big is your wallet? After years of failed investment in playing staff we finally got the refreshing break of young grown Wolves and bargain basement signings and it started to work. We get the big money signings early season and the promise of more this January and the wheels begin to fall off the waggon. You will not back McCarthy by giving him more money to waste. You are just recycling the same failed plan by building more expectation.
Save your money. Pay Hennessey and Kightly what they are worth to the club. Advise McCarthy to get rid off the rubbish like Olofinjana and Bothroyd and please let us go back to basics again. Jones, Gleeson, Gobern, Davies and one or two more. If you spend stupid money in January, which trust me will end in more failure and then claw it back by selling Hennessey and Kightly you are on a hiding to nothing. You will receive the same wrath that SJH did. Please dont become Golden Tit Mark Two.
Merry X-Mas SJH !
Oldgold Wolfcub
26-12-2007, 17:52
Is this you talking from your padded cell Mick?
Taffywolf
26-12-2007, 17:53
Can i be the first to welcome you to the Wolves and while i am it how big is your wallet? After years of failed investment in playing staff we finally got the refreshing break of young grown Wolves and bargain basement signings and it started to work. We get the big money signings early season and the promise of more this January and the wheels begin to fall off the waggon. You will not back McCarthy by giving him more money to waste. You are just recycling the same failed plan by building more expectation.
Save your money. Pay Hennessey and Kightly what they are worth to the club. Advise McCarthy to get rid off the rubbish like Olofinjana and Bothroyd and please let us go back to basics again. Jones, Gleeson, Gobern, Davies and one or two more. If you spend stupid money in January, which trust me will end in more failure and then claw it back by selling Hennessey and Kightly you are on a hiding to nothing. You will receive the same wrath that SJH did. Please dont become Golden Tit Mark Two.
Merry X-Mas SJH !
If money is spend wisely by the right peson it can only help the club. The reason it hasn't worked this season so far is because Mick signed the wrong players.. Like I said at the time..
If money is spend wisely by the right peson it can only help the club. The reason it hasn't worked this season so far is because Mick signed the wrong players.. Like I said at the time..
So every time we go through a crisis we blame the manager, get a new one and give him millions to spend. Where have you been the last twenty years? The hope and new vision of last season has been totally obliterated by money yet again. It beggars belief they were prepared to pay £2.5M on Ledley. Drop the $$$$in lot of them and put the kids in again.
jakewwfc
26-12-2007, 18:07
30 million is not enough to make us into a decent premiership team , we are rubbish in a p1s# poor league, the only consilation i have is they all try to tell me sandwell are a good side and they are not, how do i know this ?...simple because they could'nt beat us
Metro Wolf 2007
26-12-2007, 18:07
Papper I agree, and the problem is that MM will not do it.
He appears to have said Daniel Jones would not be an "instant choice" upon his return. Why the hell not ?
If you restrict your choices to favoured Irish mostly ex Sunderland favourites then of course there is no competition for places and consequently loss of hope for the youngsters.
This is not a new problem with McCarthy. Is he big enough to shake it up or will he plod on and the axe will surely fall ??
By the way this is exactly what did for Dave Jones. Remember his square pegs in round holes and his favourites ?
Taffywolf
26-12-2007, 18:10
So every time we go through a crisis we blame the manager, get a new one and give him millions to spend. Where have you been the last twenty years? The hope and new vision of last season has been totally obliterated by money yet again. It beggars belief they were prepared to pay £2.5M on Ledley. Drop the $$$$in lot of them and put the kids in again.
So if it's not McCarthy's fault for the dross that has been served up this season, Who's is it???? We didn't really splash the cash in the summer he added a few to the squad to strengthen and replace outgoing players. The problem is he brought in the wrong players and didn't strengthen the right positions.. It is now his team and he must take responsibilty, You must take the critism along with the praise.. Oh and I have been a regular for the last 20 years... Have you??
Papper I agree, and the problem is that MM will not do it.
He appears to have said Daniel Jones would not be an "instant choice" upon his return. Why the hell not ?
If you restrict your choices to favoured Irish mostly ex Sunderland favourites then of course there is no competition for places and consequently loss of hope for the youngsters.
This is not a new problem with McCarthy. Is he big enough to shake it up or will he plod on and the axe will surely fall ??
We are about to find out. Reading between the lines Mick has been put under pressure by Morgan, given a few quid and told in no uncertain terms to deliver. We overachieved last season but top six was a reasonable target this, continuing the general theme. Instead he's given money and told top two minimum. The long term plan has flown completely out of the window, our top player gets crocked, the playing staff are unsettled by news of big money signings and we are back to square one.
Oldgold Wolfcub
26-12-2007, 18:16
We are about to find out. Reading between the lines Mick has been put under pressure by Morgan, given a few quid and told in no uncertain terms to deliver. We overachieved last season but top six was a reasonable target this, continuing the general theme. Instead he's given money and told top two minimum. The long term plan has flown completely out of the window, our top player gets crocked, the playing staff are unsettled by news of big money signings and we are back to square one.
That assumes McCarthy has the ability which he has not. We are also devoid of at least two coaches to bring out the best in our players.
Metro Wolf 2007
26-12-2007, 18:17
It was obvious to many last season that the future of this club was with Little, Jones, Davies and one or two other youngsters - perhaps Gleeson being one of them. WH had not broken through then but of course now fits the same category.
Where are they now ? What did they do wrong ?
That assumes McCarthy has the ability which he has not. We are also devoid of at least two coaches to bring out the best in our players.
So what is the difference in McCarthy this season to last?
I agree with you that Connor needs a P45 and should have gone years ago. Taff Evans needs replacing and that should be the first task. Thankfully Olofinjana is off and let's pray Nigeria reach the final.
Metro Wolf 2007
26-12-2007, 18:25
So what is the difference in McCarthy this season to last?
I agree with you that Connor needs a P45 and should have gone years ago. Taff Evans needs replacing and that should be the first task. Thankfully Olofinjana is off and let's pray Nigeria reach the final.
Didn't we miss the boat on appointing an excellent Assistant Manager in Chris Evans ??:rolleyes:
How are Bolton doing now ? Not in the bottom 3 I see ?
put the kids in and we will go down as the style of football will not do us any good. perhaps if the playing style went back to what we were doing end of last season then perhaps we could survive. in the same way as the calls for the managers head happens everytime result turn bad so does this ludicrous suggestion of playing "the kids"
Oldgold Wolfcub
26-12-2007, 18:30
I think most of us would agree that last season MM overachieved. He obviously has the ability to get some players motivated and working to a certain level. But he is lacking in ideas and I believe has ended up demotivating and confusing the players. He also I think has upset some players and this usually has a poor knock on effect on others.
His unfair choice of team selection has limited his ability to bring on back up players. I know many on here knock certain players but really without experience how can Mulgrew, Gleeson, Lee Collins, Little, etc how can begin to compete for players.
Didn't we miss the boat on appointing an excellent Assistant Manager in Chris Evans ??:rolleyes:
How are Bolton doing now ? Not in the bottom 3 I see ?
I said when Megson was appointed at Bolton he'd do a great job and he has done thus far and will continue to do so. Wolves are not Bolton and neither is Evans the messiah comparitive with other clubs youth set up. I think Mick would know who he can work alongside and him only so who are we to speculate, but it's a position that needs badly addressing.
Taffywolf
26-12-2007, 18:32
It was obvious to many last season that the future of this club was with Little, Jones, Davies and one or two other youngsters - perhaps Gleeson being one of them. WH had not broken through then but of course now fits the same category.
Where are they now ? What did they do wrong ?
Jones didn't play many only 8 times, He was given a go but deemed not good enough by MM he then brought McIndoe to the club. Davies hasn't started a game at the club under Mick, Mostly down to his injuries but has been available and at best only made the bench, Little played the most last season appearing 19 times in the league but was also left out in favour of both Henry and N Collins. Now Foley has been bought Littles chances are will be fewer..
MK Panther
26-12-2007, 18:40
Its pretty poor when he gets Gray in at left back, who has seen better days. He still perseveres with Breen, no matter how well you play he will go back into defence. He has no top-class midfield players, a poor captain in Henry and an attack shorn of confidence. There is a lot to put right. Stve Morgan must be thinking what the hell is going on here? He must put his stamp on the club otherwise he can kiss his investment goodbye. Moxey has to go and so does MM and his back-room staff and get some fresh faces who really want to be winners into the Molineux culture.
Taffywolf
26-12-2007, 18:43
Its pretty poor when he gets Gray in at left back, who has seen better days. He still perseveres with Breen, no matter how well you play he will go back into defence. He has no top-class midfield players, a poor captain in Henry and an attack shorn of confidence. There is a lot to put right. Stve Morgan must be thinking what the hell is going on here? He must put his stamp on the club otherwise he can kiss his investment goodbye. Moxey has to go and so does MM and his back-room staff and get some fresh faces who really want to be winners into the Molineux culture.
Good point MKP, Morgan needs to stamp his mark on the club, He has given MM a chance since he came to the club now he needs to bring in a manager that he wants to work alongside..
So every time we go through a crisis we blame the manager
Depends who you mean by 'we'. On Molineux Mix a sizable minority used to blame Sir Jack Hayward rather than the manager. They've got their wish and we've got a new owner, yet Morgan's first season is looking like it might be as bad as any under Sir Jack.
Of course its too early to blame the owner. I wonder how long it will be before Morgan does start getting some abuse on here though, a year? Two years?
Depends who you mean by 'we'. On Molineux Mix a sizable minority used to blame Sir Jack Hayward rather than the manager. They've got their wish and we've got a new owner, yet Morgan's first season is looking like it might be as bad as any under Sir Jack.
Of course its too early to blame the owner. I wonder how long it will be before Morgan does start getting some abuse on here though, a year? Two years?
You're right. I dont need all this rubbish, there is far more better things to do than watch the dross served up down the Molineux and the same old mistakes being made. I cant be bothered to take any more of it so the Wolves can can go and do an almighty one for all i care. I'm hanging up my scarf, the whole thing is just too depressing and it has been continually since i first got the bug. I've served my time and now i'm bailing out and will rejoin the pack when we are consolidated in the Premiership. Actions speak louder than words.
Adrian_Monk
26-12-2007, 19:44
Of course its too early to blame the owner. I wonder how long it will be before Morgan does start getting some abuse on here though, a year? Two years?
It depends how long it takes for him to pass control to a couple of fools who know less than zero about football and also happen to be your sons. Oh and then blame everyone, including each of the managers they hand picked, except for his inept family for their failings.
I wonder whether Morgan will insist that everything at the club is British thanks to a strange niveau of vanity usually reserved for big brother contestants, wasting hundreds of thousands of pounds in the process, before again blaming everyone but the perpetrator- the old fool himself.
And when we finally make it to the premiership, I wonder if Morgan will lie to the supporters telling them we were going to have a real go at staying in the premiership and then give the manager a budget to sign players that equates to less than Jose Mourinhos annual salary.
If Morgan is a liar and a completely clueless football club owner like the old fool then most likely we will be calling for his head, and deservedly so.
Gratters
26-12-2007, 19:48
So every time we go through a crisis we blame the manager, get a new one and give him millions to spend. Where have you been the last twenty years? The hope and new vision of last season has been totally obliterated by money yet again. It beggars belief they were prepared to pay £2.5M on Ledley. Drop the $$$$in lot of them and put the kids in again.
Why not blame the manager ? Name one industry or job where when things go wrong the manager DOESN'T get blamed. Break down the word and you get 'manage' - hes not 'managing' and therefore to blame. Possibly harsh I grant you but ultimately the buck stops at him.
Still an appeal NOT to spend money is a tad bizarre and clearly shot over the top of my feeble brain - there are numerous managers who with a fat wallet would get us where we want to go AND stay there its just not MM.
I want them to spend tens of millions if they can because I want to watch football in the Prem - its not my money I don't give a $$$$ if its wasted and we have to start again. It cracks me up the way people value players on here as though its their money at risk and have absolutely no idea of a players valuation to begin with anyway.
Morgan has a toy and now has to back it or $$$$ off and get a train set !
Poole Wolf
26-12-2007, 20:43
People keep saying Mick overachieved last year. I think Billy Davies over achieved just that little bit more.
Dewsburywolf
26-12-2007, 20:57
Good point Poole Wolf, er what happened to Billy Davies then?
Timberwolf
26-12-2007, 21:10
Advise McCarthy to get rid off the rubbish like Olofinjana and Bothroyd and please let us go back to basics again. Jones, Gleeson, Gobern, Davies and one or two more.
Do you really think that Jones, Gleeson, Gobern, Davies are the answer to our prayers...?
You deluded muppet. They are all $$$$!
Dewsburywolf
26-12-2007, 21:14
Maybe Papper but can you honestly say S.Ward, N.Collins and D.Ward are any better?
to be fair,the burgers are still only one pound outside the ground.
sorry ,its all to depressing
Oldgold Wolfcub
26-12-2007, 21:36
Of course its too early to blame the owner. I wonder how long it will be before Morgan does start getting some abuse on here though, a year? Two years?
That depends on Captain Morgan. So far we have heard nothing about the two directors who joined last year so together with Morgan if we dont see any positive steps taken to run this club with success in mind then we can only assume it is more of the same.
19th Holer
26-12-2007, 21:45
Do you really think that Jones, Gleeson, Gobern, Davies are the answer to our prayers...?
You deluded muppet. They are all $$$$!
A bit unfair !
Three out of four couldn't possibly be worse than what I've seen this season.
Davies and Gobern, if fit, could walk into this team at the moment.
jaspa888
26-12-2007, 22:58
Do you really think that Jones, Gleeson, Gobern, Davies are the answer to our prayers...?
You deluded muppet. They are all $$$$!
What a $$$$$ you are.
They may not be the next Ronaldo, but we wont know until they are given a chance. Surely better giving them a chance rather continually persisting with the same old honest but crap MM 'faves'
That depends on Captain Morgan. So far we have heard nothing about the two directors who joined last year so together with Morgan if we dont see any positive steps taken to run this club with success in mind then we can only assume it is more of the same.
That's one of the things that worried me at the time, one of the new directors is Rupert Hayward. The Hayward (Sopranos) clan just cannot let go of the reins.
Oldgold Wolfcub
26-12-2007, 23:28
That's one of the things that worried me at the time, one of the new directors is Rupert Hayward. The Hayward (Sopranos) clan just cannot let go of the reins.
That's it cheer us up before we go to bed.;)
Oldgold Wolfcub
26-12-2007, 23:30
What a $$$$$ you are.
They may not be the next Ronaldo, but we wont know until they are given a chance. Surely better giving them a chance rather continually persisting with the same old honest but crap MM 'faves'
Its not just about giving them a chance. Its about having good coaching and making them feel they can do a job if they get the chance.
HIGHLANDER
27-12-2007, 01:45
Depends who you mean by 'we'. On Molineux Mix a sizable minority used to blame Sir Jack Hayward rather than the manager. They've got their wish and we've got a new owner, yet Morgan's first season is looking like it might be as bad as any under Sir Jack.
Of course its too early to blame the owner. I wonder how long it will be before Morgan does start getting some abuse on here though, a year? Two years?
Ffs, SJH got a load of $$$$ off just one or two on here (myself included) because we were the only people savvy enough to realise that after 17 years of failure things weren't working out.
It's early days with Morgan at the moment and I certainly wont be calling for his head for many a year. I think it's more likely that any calls for Morgan to step down will come from one of the many SJH loyalists such as yourself that frequent this board.
Adrian_Monk
27-12-2007, 01:53
Hayward got off lightly in my opinion due to peoples perception of him being a cuddly old fella with his heart in the right place. He was a clueless moron that acted with a negligence that could have had much graver consequences for our club.
HIGHLANDER
27-12-2007, 02:31
Hayward got off lightly in my opinion due to peoples perception of him being a cuddly old fella with his heart in the right place. He was a clueless moron that acted with a negligence that could have had much graver consequences for our club.
That's one of the better assessments of Sir Jacks time at Wolves that I have read on this board.
sir jack did a lot of good for this club, yes he made mistakes but we are in better shape to progress due to him. He could have done better but he is far from a clueless moron. You dont have the success in buisness he has had if your stupid. I think his problem with wolves he didnt take enough of a hands on approach. Both his sons had no idea.
Black Suit
27-12-2007, 03:00
I am a big fan of SJH, however, the business was a family business handed to him by his father already in an enviable position.
A little like Gordon Brown and the bloody economy.
Adrian_Monk
27-12-2007, 03:09
he succeeded in business thanks to his dad who put him in a position where he couldn't fail. We are in a better position in spite of jack hayward not because of him. Read my post on the previous page for my reasons why. The best thing he did for the club was relinquishing reign and he even managed to balls that up.
Your being a bit harsh on sir jack. A lot of the good work in Freeport was down to him. You dont stay as successful as he has been if you an idiot surviving of daddys money. He did a lot for wolves, not many people would have the love for this club to write of millions of pounds worth of investment for just 10 pounds. He could have sold us off to anyone, but he found (hopefully ) the right man to take us forward. We could have ended up with mandric!! Give the man a break, yes he made mistakes but we are in a better state than when he took over.
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