Bevan
26-12-2007, 17:39
Should Morgan show Mick the door?
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wolfyjoe
26-12-2007, 17:56
Not sure, but i will have made my mind up if we lose to Sheffield United, as i've got tickets for it!
Bevan
26-12-2007, 17:57
I think we need 4 points from the next 2 games or it's curtains.
Harlow Wolf
26-12-2007, 18:00
Undecided, but I wouldn't be too upset if he was.
Bevan
26-12-2007, 18:09
If you choose undecided, what would it take for you to make your mind up either way? Would another loss on Saturday be enough for him to go?
Harlow Wolf
26-12-2007, 18:31
I'm only undecided because of what he did last year to be honest - a sort of loyalty vote. I really don't think he's going to turn it round as we have been consistently bad all season and he just seems to have run out of ideas.
I think a defeat or draw at Norwich and a poor result against Sheffield will be the end as it would see us in the bottom half of the table.
More than anything else apathy seems to be back and when fans start to stay away the Board will act.
I think a defeat or draw at Norwich and a poor result against Sheffield will be the end as it would see us in the bottom half of the table.
More than anything else apathy seems to be back and when fans start to stay away the Board will act.
MK Panther
26-12-2007, 18:42
I'm only undecided because of what he did last year to be honest - a sort of loyalty vote. I really don't think he's going to turn it round as we have been consistently bad all season and he just seems to have run out of ideas.
I think a defeat or draw at Norwich and a poor result against Sheffield will be the end as it would see us in the bottom half of the table.
More than anything else apathy seems to be back and when fans start to stay away the Board will act.
Give him four seasons or a drop into the Conference, whichever comes first.
I think a defeat or draw at Norwich and a poor result against Sheffield will be the end as it would see us in the bottom half of the table.
More than anything else apathy seems to be back and when fans start to stay away the Board will act.
Give him four seasons or a drop into the Conference, whichever comes first.
As High as a Kightly
26-12-2007, 20:01
Give him four seasons or a drop into the Conference, whichever comes first.
If we start having to play the likes of Chasetown week-in week-out, then maybe Mick should go!
If we start having to play the likes of Chasetown week-in week-out, then maybe Mick should go!
PeteWolf
26-12-2007, 20:11
I've put undecided. He deserves a chance to turn it round for what he did last year, but I've been losing ever more faith in him with every game played for several months now.
I'd perhaps be more tempted to say no if there was anything to suggest that this is a blip. Sadly, Plan A of lump it to Kightly can't be used, and Plan B of lump it to anyone is coming up short. Plan C which he put into effect at Sunderland when they were relegated was to blame everyone but himself. There's been signs that he's toying with that one already.
I'd perhaps be more tempted to say no if there was anything to suggest that this is a blip. Sadly, Plan A of lump it to Kightly can't be used, and Plan B of lump it to anyone is coming up short. Plan C which he put into effect at Sunderland when they were relegated was to blame everyone but himself. There's been signs that he's toying with that one already.
wanderer24
26-12-2007, 20:19
If you choose undecided, what would it take for you to make your mind up either way? Would another loss on Saturday be enough for him to go?
If we lost the next two with no fight or ideas then i would get rid because it feels likes he's lost the players.
If we lost the next two with no fight or ideas then i would get rid because it feels likes he's lost the players.
Anglian Wolf
26-12-2007, 20:23
The thing about switching managers in midstream that bothers me is the thought of the turmoil we will have to go through in finding a new new manager and settling him in with the squad. I know there are examples of this working well but there are far more examples of things going backwards before moving forward again.
If we switch manager now I am convinced we will resigning ourselves to merely preparing for next year. We have nothing to lose in giving Mick the rest of this season to turn it around.
There is no denying he has the experience and he has done it before. He showed us last year that he can do it. A lot rest on the January transfer window and in getting Kites back. If he buys wisely and gets out talisman back firing then there is still every chance of making the play-offs. From there anything is possible.
Just my view of things.
If we switch manager now I am convinced we will resigning ourselves to merely preparing for next year. We have nothing to lose in giving Mick the rest of this season to turn it around.
There is no denying he has the experience and he has done it before. He showed us last year that he can do it. A lot rest on the January transfer window and in getting Kites back. If he buys wisely and gets out talisman back firing then there is still every chance of making the play-offs. From there anything is possible.
Just my view of things.
northnorfolkwolf
26-12-2007, 20:23
Norwich then Sheff Utd will seal his fate. New manager to hit the Jan sales!
saturday boy
26-12-2007, 20:30
I remember thinking that there was no way Dave Jones could turn arouind our season the year we got promoted. The first half of the season was dismal - the players seemed bereft of confidence, only one win in December and Wolves were hanging outside the playoff spots looking at mid table rather than any higher aspirations.
I feel quite dissolusioned by the team at the moment but would be happy to give MM the opportunity to change things in January and be judged at the season's end.
Managers get sacked too early too often.
I feel quite dissolusioned by the team at the moment but would be happy to give MM the opportunity to change things in January and be judged at the season's end.
Managers get sacked too early too often.
wallace
26-12-2007, 20:56
certainly not, sackings galore from teams all round the country and what difference does it make?. an initial up turn of results then back to mediocracy usually. as previously mentioned, weve been doing this without much success for 20 years. mick should get at least another 18 months to build the team.
Paul76
26-12-2007, 20:57
I think he should be given the opportunity to pursue his targets in January.
Timberwolf
26-12-2007, 21:05
I've voted yes but if i was the chairman, I would be nibbling on my fingers wondering if I'd made the right decision.
However, if we wait to see how we do on Saturday and over the New Year, that would clarify things a little more for me.
No wins and he would be out on his Barnsley arse!
However, if we wait to see how we do on Saturday and over the New Year, that would clarify things a little more for me.
No wins and he would be out on his Barnsley arse!
jaspa888
26-12-2007, 23:06
I'm only undecided because of what he did last year to be honest - a sort of loyalty vote. I really don't think he's going to turn it round as we have been consistently bad all season and he just seems to have run out of ideas.
Summed up my own view excellently.
I am increasingly nervous about MM spending a sizeable chunk of SJH's £30m legacy on some crappy panic buys in January though.
A similar feeling to Glenda wasting the last of the parachute dosh on the missing piece of the jigsaw...
Summed up my own view excellently.
I am increasingly nervous about MM spending a sizeable chunk of SJH's £30m legacy on some crappy panic buys in January though.
A similar feeling to Glenda wasting the last of the parachute dosh on the missing piece of the jigsaw...
N1GHTFALL
26-12-2007, 23:38
59 fans can's can't be wrong.
ACT NOW :eek:
ACT NOW :eek:
Adrian_Monk
26-12-2007, 23:49
59 fans can's can't be wrong.
Most of whom either haven't been to a game or struggle to construct a sentence.
Most of whom either haven't been to a game or struggle to construct a sentence.
No. 7 George Bowen
26-12-2007, 23:50
No. He deserves until the end of the season unless he loses the dressing room. Although that can be rectified but dropping and selling several of them which should be done regardless.
Mick does actually have a good record in the transfer market so lets see what he does in January. Ledley indicates he still knows what he is doing.
Mick does actually have a good record in the transfer market so lets see what he does in January. Ledley indicates he still knows what he is doing.
Devonwolf
26-12-2007, 23:52
No
Oldgold Wolfcub
26-12-2007, 23:54
I wonder what the response would have been if the poll had said "Would you be upset if MM was sacked?"
Oldgold Wolfcub
26-12-2007, 23:57
No. He deserves until the end of the season unless he loses the dressing room. Although that can be rectified but dropping and selling several of them which should be done regardless.
Mick does actually have a good record in the transfer market so lets see what he does in January. Ledley indicates he still knows what he is doing.
How do you know he has not lost the dressing room? How do you know that even if he managed to sign Ledley he might not go the same way as Eastwood and co?
Mick does actually have a good record in the transfer market so lets see what he does in January. Ledley indicates he still knows what he is doing.
How do you know he has not lost the dressing room? How do you know that even if he managed to sign Ledley he might not go the same way as Eastwood and co?
No. 7 George Bowen
26-12-2007, 23:59
How do you know he has not lost the dressing room? How do you know that even if he managed to sign Ledley he might not go the same way as Eastwood and co?
I don't. I don't know for certain if gold will breach a $1000 this year as I am not God but I'll be investing your pension money on my belief it will.
No wait, from your posts I extrapolate you are either too stupid or too young to have a pension. Mea Culpa.
I don't. I don't know for certain if gold will breach a $1000 this year as I am not God but I'll be investing your pension money on my belief it will.
No wait, from your posts I extrapolate you are either too stupid or too young to have a pension. Mea Culpa.
Wolv3nsam
27-12-2007, 00:30
I think we need 4 points from the next 2 games or it's curtains.
4 points from Norwich and Sheffield United who are both on very good runs of form, can't see it personally.
4 points from Norwich and Sheffield United who are both on very good runs of form, can't see it personally.
Oldgold Wolfcub
27-12-2007, 00:39
I don't. I don't know for certain if gold will breach a $1000 this year as I am not God but I'll be investing your pension money on my belief it will.
No wait, from your posts I extrapolate you are either too stupid or too young to have a pension. Mea Culpa.
Pity you are not God otherwise we could have put you down for Adrian's new football team. I suppose I will have to make do with your extrapolations as I am both too young and too old and certainly too stupid to have a pension. Why would I want to live in a Spanish dwelling?
No wait, from your posts I extrapolate you are either too stupid or too young to have a pension. Mea Culpa.
Pity you are not God otherwise we could have put you down for Adrian's new football team. I suppose I will have to make do with your extrapolations as I am both too young and too old and certainly too stupid to have a pension. Why would I want to live in a Spanish dwelling?
Mugwump
27-12-2007, 00:41
Time for mick to go. He has lost it.. 2 points from our last 15 is comical. He said at the start of the season he was aiming for top two, so even by the standards he set he is failing badly.
HIGHLANDER
27-12-2007, 00:43
He shouldn't be given any more transfer money as he's had enough, and just told to get on with the job with what he's got. Then if/when it's more or less certain that we wont be making the play-offs, sack him!!
Wolv3nsam
27-12-2007, 00:45
I have to ask, what has happened to the players? They've just deteriorated and lost all confidence.. what has gone on?
Oldgold Wolfcub
27-12-2007, 00:56
I have to ask, what has happened to the players? They've just deteriorated and lost all confidence.. what has gone on?
A question Captain Morgan should have on his mind. For whatever reason when this happens its down to the manager.
A question Captain Morgan should have on his mind. For whatever reason when this happens its down to the manager.
Powelly
27-12-2007, 01:15
Yes..
Far too many people on here have given him extra leighway ( and perhaps to an extent deserved) based on last season..Full credit it to him for last year but that hard work has been undone and forgotten by perfomances this year.
However, we've been very poor since day 1 this year.. the only time we have played well was against norwich ( who were the worst side in at least 10 years at this level when we played them) and against albion ( the only time Mick has got his selection and tactics right in 26 games this season).
Also doesnt know his best 11 and we are a far worse side than we were last year even with him spending £4.5m
If only Dave Jones had been given that leighway in the season after relegation instead of being booted in early part of November.....
Far too many people on here have given him extra leighway ( and perhaps to an extent deserved) based on last season..Full credit it to him for last year but that hard work has been undone and forgotten by perfomances this year.
However, we've been very poor since day 1 this year.. the only time we have played well was against norwich ( who were the worst side in at least 10 years at this level when we played them) and against albion ( the only time Mick has got his selection and tactics right in 26 games this season).
Also doesnt know his best 11 and we are a far worse side than we were last year even with him spending £4.5m
If only Dave Jones had been given that leighway in the season after relegation instead of being booted in early part of November.....
Oldgold Wolfcub
27-12-2007, 01:19
If only Dave Jones had been given that leighway in the season after relegation instead of being booted in early part of November.....
And you were doing so well up to this point.
And you were doing so well up to this point.
Powelly
27-12-2007, 01:27
And you were doing so well up to this point.
Why?
Jones deserved the chance to carry on to the end of the season far more than Mccarthy does IMO..
The best football wolves have played in my time as a fan ( since 1986 when i was 6) was during the Jones era.. his sides often started the season poorly and had he got more backing by the board than he did then we would have had a far better chance of premiership survival than we did have instead of him being sold down the river.. ultimately we lost our place by a bad first 6 games and last minute goals at anfield, man city and against Bolton.. another 6 games to that season and we would have stayed up.
Under Mccarthy other than Blues H, Leicester A and Play first leg at Molineux we havent been anywhere near as entertaining or effective performance wise...
Under Jones we had the ability to kill sides off in 5-10 minute spells just like any team who has ever got promoted in this division has.
Why?
Jones deserved the chance to carry on to the end of the season far more than Mccarthy does IMO..
The best football wolves have played in my time as a fan ( since 1986 when i was 6) was during the Jones era.. his sides often started the season poorly and had he got more backing by the board than he did then we would have had a far better chance of premiership survival than we did have instead of him being sold down the river.. ultimately we lost our place by a bad first 6 games and last minute goals at anfield, man city and against Bolton.. another 6 games to that season and we would have stayed up.
Under Mccarthy other than Blues H, Leicester A and Play first leg at Molineux we havent been anywhere near as entertaining or effective performance wise...
Under Jones we had the ability to kill sides off in 5-10 minute spells just like any team who has ever got promoted in this division has.
Japan Wulf
27-12-2007, 06:15
No. Let the season run it's course and judge him them.
Essex Wolf
27-12-2007, 10:18
Bye bye Mick.
Visage Wolf
27-12-2007, 10:25
Bye bye Mick.
The last time your were this vehement about sacking a manager we ended up getting promoted. When you eventually got your way we ended up with Hoddle.....so you'll forgive me if I suggest that your opinions regarding managers are, at best, $$$$$$$$.
To save you typing it, simply cut and paste the following:
"Mick McCarthy - an honorable and decent man. Im sorry I doubted you"
The last time your were this vehement about sacking a manager we ended up getting promoted. When you eventually got your way we ended up with Hoddle.....so you'll forgive me if I suggest that your opinions regarding managers are, at best, $$$$$$$$.
To save you typing it, simply cut and paste the following:
"Mick McCarthy - an honorable and decent man. Im sorry I doubted you"
Woburn Wolf
27-12-2007, 10:32
Most of whom either haven't been to a game or struggle to construct a sentence.
Thatz rite. itz ownlee the nukkal draggers that wont Mik owt.
Thatz rite. itz ownlee the nukkal draggers that wont Mik owt.
Essex Wolf
27-12-2007, 10:33
VW, you are like a dog with a bone, just won't let it go.
Check the threads VW and you will see that many, not just I, are sick and tired of McCarthy right now and many have voiced heir views but you wait until I post to pass comment.
I haven't started a thread about sacking him or about who should be the next Wolves manager.
Now run along and play like a good thing now.
Check the threads VW and you will see that many, not just I, are sick and tired of McCarthy right now and many have voiced heir views but you wait until I post to pass comment.
I haven't started a thread about sacking him or about who should be the next Wolves manager.
Now run along and play like a good thing now.
Carlos#5
27-12-2007, 10:57
I still can not see it being beneficial sacking a manager at this stage of the season. Should Mick go, say , after Sheff Utd, and Morgan has no-one in particular lined up, then it is quite possibly take 3-4 weeks to get the 'right' man appointed. Urgo we lose the opportunity of new players in Jan, and also the opportunity to shift some dead wood, while the new 'right' man spends the rest of the season getting to know his players.
Those fans that crave McCarthy out seem also to crave instant success, yet they don't realise the two most probably are not mutually compatible.
Our best chance of promotion this season is still with McCarthy at the helm, if he fails to make the playoffs, then yes, MM out, new man in, start again.
Those fans that crave McCarthy out seem also to crave instant success, yet they don't realise the two most probably are not mutually compatible.
Our best chance of promotion this season is still with McCarthy at the helm, if he fails to make the playoffs, then yes, MM out, new man in, start again.
Swinford Wolf
27-12-2007, 11:12
Undecided at the moment , but edging towards the Mick must go brigade ..
Stewarton Wolf
27-12-2007, 11:20
Yes..
Far too many people on here have given him extra leighway ( and perhaps to an extent deserved) based on last season..Full credit it to him for last year but that hard work has been undone and forgotten by perfomances this year.
However, we've been very poor since day 1 this year.. the only time we have played well was against norwich ( who were the worst side in at least 10 years at this level when we played them) and against albion ( the only time Mick has got his selection and tactics right in 26 games this season).
Also doesnt know his best 11 and we are a far worse side than we were last year even with him spending £4.5m
If only Dave Jones had been given that leighway in the season after relegation instead of being booted in early part of November.....
Our form has been shocking since we beat WBA last season 12 wins in 33 games, only 3 against teams from the top half of the table.
Far too many people on here have given him extra leighway ( and perhaps to an extent deserved) based on last season..Full credit it to him for last year but that hard work has been undone and forgotten by perfomances this year.
However, we've been very poor since day 1 this year.. the only time we have played well was against norwich ( who were the worst side in at least 10 years at this level when we played them) and against albion ( the only time Mick has got his selection and tactics right in 26 games this season).
Also doesnt know his best 11 and we are a far worse side than we were last year even with him spending £4.5m
If only Dave Jones had been given that leighway in the season after relegation instead of being booted in early part of November.....
Our form has been shocking since we beat WBA last season 12 wins in 33 games, only 3 against teams from the top half of the table.
Stewarton Wolf
27-12-2007, 11:21
I still can not see it being beneficial sacking a manager at this stage of the season. Should Mick go, say , after Sheff Utd, and Morgan has no-one in particular lined up, then it is quite possibly take 3-4 weeks to get the 'right' man appointed. Urgo we lose the opportunity of new players in Jan, and also the opportunity to shift some dead wood, while the new 'right' man spends the rest of the season getting to know his players.
Those fans that crave McCarthy out seem also to crave instant success, yet they don't realise the two most probably are not mutually compatible.
Our best chance of promotion this season is still with McCarthy at the helm, if he fails to make the playoffs, then yes, MM out, new man in, start again.
I think there have been problems for a while, I would not be surprised if other managers had not been sounded out already.
Those fans that crave McCarthy out seem also to crave instant success, yet they don't realise the two most probably are not mutually compatible.
Our best chance of promotion this season is still with McCarthy at the helm, if he fails to make the playoffs, then yes, MM out, new man in, start again.
I think there have been problems for a while, I would not be surprised if other managers had not been sounded out already.
digzeedean
27-12-2007, 11:35
Hey come on guys lets not hit the panic button just yet! Every team has a dip in form, besides I think we have to question the players commitment as well. When I watched the Leicester match I saw not a shadow of the passion we played with last year even when we were down 1-0 in the 1st half we looked like we had given up. It was one of those goals u couldn't really do much about except fight back, which until the 2nd half we did not. We are still in the mix, although we do need to pick up results now from here. Lets keep the faith we can do this but as much as we need new blood we also need fans that back their team through thick n thin.
Hatch End Wolf
27-12-2007, 11:39
Why are all the pro Mick faction so unpleasant. Just a query!
Paul76
27-12-2007, 11:43
Why are all the pro Mick faction so unpleasant. Just a query!
That's quite an amusing post.
That's quite an amusing post.
Wolv3nsam
27-12-2007, 11:47
If we were to win at Norwich we would have a completely different outlook on things as we'd be potentially in the play-offs. The players need to grow up and stop being so timid around the fans, none of them are prepared to take a gamble anymore and just stick to the easy option e.g. passing it to Kightly for him to build up the creative play.
MM needs to gather the team around and give each and every player a dressing down. "Olofinjana you need to be more consistant with your performances or you get dropped", "Darren Ward you need to stop hoofing the ball or you get dropped". Some players really need to take a good look at themselves in the mirror, they're not worthy of licking the boots of the players they were last season and some players are not even worthy of playing for this club. If they can't cope with the hype and over-expectation they should be playing for someone like Sheffield Wednesday not Wolverhampton Wanderers.
Our best hopes of promotion are the play-offs as I think the top two will stay as they are, so FFS Mick give your players a kick up the arse. You're not their mate, you're their manager, start acting like one.
MM needs to gather the team around and give each and every player a dressing down. "Olofinjana you need to be more consistant with your performances or you get dropped", "Darren Ward you need to stop hoofing the ball or you get dropped". Some players really need to take a good look at themselves in the mirror, they're not worthy of licking the boots of the players they were last season and some players are not even worthy of playing for this club. If they can't cope with the hype and over-expectation they should be playing for someone like Sheffield Wednesday not Wolverhampton Wanderers.
Our best hopes of promotion are the play-offs as I think the top two will stay as they are, so FFS Mick give your players a kick up the arse. You're not their mate, you're their manager, start acting like one.
Stewarton Wolf
27-12-2007, 11:53
Comments from E&S
A crestfallen McCarthy admitted Wolves’ performance had been “lacklustre” as they were beaten in every department by their opponents.
But he believes he has the players to get them back to winning ways – if they are prepared to “grind it out and work harder”.
“Of course the defeat puts more pressure on us. It puts more pressure on all of us,” he said.
“It was the last performance I needed after those other four performances. It was very, very poor.”
A crestfallen McCarthy admitted Wolves’ performance had been “lacklustre” as they were beaten in every department by their opponents.
But he believes he has the players to get them back to winning ways – if they are prepared to “grind it out and work harder”.
“Of course the defeat puts more pressure on us. It puts more pressure on all of us,” he said.
“It was the last performance I needed after those other four performances. It was very, very poor.”
Exile Wolf
27-12-2007, 11:57
If Mick goes at least it will give the Express and Star the chance to run the poll entitled Bully for Wolves Job Yes or No!
Wolv3nsam
27-12-2007, 11:57
Comments from E&S
A crestfallen McCarthy admitted Wolves’ performance had been “lacklustre” as they were beaten in every department by their opponents.
But he believes he has the players to get them back to winning ways – if they are prepared to “grind it out and work harder”.
“Of course the defeat puts more pressure on us. It puts more pressure on all of us,” he said.
“It was the last performance I needed after those other four performances. It was very, very poor.”
They're not working hard at all right now though, they're just caving in to the pressure.
If you ask me Henry isn't an ideal third captain even if he did support Wolves from birth. I don't see him communicating with anybody on the pitch or giving them a $$$$$$$ing if something goes wrong like Breen and Craddock do.
So hopefully, once Breen and Craddock are back we'll have a bit more leadership on the field and no more hoof balls.
A crestfallen McCarthy admitted Wolves’ performance had been “lacklustre” as they were beaten in every department by their opponents.
But he believes he has the players to get them back to winning ways – if they are prepared to “grind it out and work harder”.
“Of course the defeat puts more pressure on us. It puts more pressure on all of us,” he said.
“It was the last performance I needed after those other four performances. It was very, very poor.”
They're not working hard at all right now though, they're just caving in to the pressure.
If you ask me Henry isn't an ideal third captain even if he did support Wolves from birth. I don't see him communicating with anybody on the pitch or giving them a $$$$$$$ing if something goes wrong like Breen and Craddock do.
So hopefully, once Breen and Craddock are back we'll have a bit more leadership on the field and no more hoof balls.
Stewarton Wolf
27-12-2007, 12:01
They're not working hard at all right now though, they're just caving in to the pressure.
If you ask me Henry isn't an ideal third captain even if he did support Wolves from birth. I don't see him communicating with anybody on the pitch or giving them a $$$$$$$ing if something goes wrong like Breen and Craddock do.
So hopefully, once Breen and Craddock are back we'll have a bit more leadership on the field and no more hoof balls.
If Breens return is our only hope then we really are screwed.
If you ask me Henry isn't an ideal third captain even if he did support Wolves from birth. I don't see him communicating with anybody on the pitch or giving them a $$$$$$$ing if something goes wrong like Breen and Craddock do.
So hopefully, once Breen and Craddock are back we'll have a bit more leadership on the field and no more hoof balls.
If Breens return is our only hope then we really are screwed.
Wolv3nsam
27-12-2007, 12:05
If Breens return is our only hope then we really are screwed.
I like him for his leadership, not so much his skill. At least he's prepared to give the players a dressing down if they do something wrong on the pitch. Which as I mentioned is more than what can be said for Karl Henry.
On the pitch there has been no communication whatsoever during our bad spell of form, especially the defence.
I like him for his leadership, not so much his skill. At least he's prepared to give the players a dressing down if they do something wrong on the pitch. Which as I mentioned is more than what can be said for Karl Henry.
On the pitch there has been no communication whatsoever during our bad spell of form, especially the defence.
Cardiff Wolf
27-12-2007, 12:33
Why are all the pro Mick faction so unpleasant. Just a query!
Mick to stay until the end of the season and must be supported with the cash to buy quality players in the window to give us a chance of making the play offs again. (BTW I'm quite pleasant!!)
Mick to stay until the end of the season and must be supported with the cash to buy quality players in the window to give us a chance of making the play offs again. (BTW I'm quite pleasant!!)
Timberwolf
27-12-2007, 13:16
Most of whom either haven't been to a game or struggle to construct a sentence.
Really...??? :rolleyes:
Really...??? :rolleyes:
Timberwolf
27-12-2007, 13:23
Mick to stay until the end of the season and must be supported with the cash to buy quality players in the window to give us a chance of making the play offs again. (BTW I'm quite pleasant!!)
Why would you let a manger risk your clubs 1,2 or maybe £3million when he may not even be here in another 5 months, should he continue to get it wrong.
Let him prove his worth by getting the most out of players he has. If he cant do that, then dont give him more players to under motivate/train/utilize.
Why would you let a manger risk your clubs 1,2 or maybe £3million when he may not even be here in another 5 months, should he continue to get it wrong.
Let him prove his worth by getting the most out of players he has. If he cant do that, then dont give him more players to under motivate/train/utilize.
Akaman
27-12-2007, 13:36
I'd say no, as, if we're honest, this is the first real slump in one and a half seasons under MM so he should be given an opportunity to turn it around.
However, it obviously can't go on like this, and if it does continue, then over the next few weeks we may find out what kind of chairman we've got. I hope that if MM does go, he goes before the end of the season so the new manager has time to get to know what he's got before overhauling the side.
However, it obviously can't go on like this, and if it does continue, then over the next few weeks we may find out what kind of chairman we've got. I hope that if MM does go, he goes before the end of the season so the new manager has time to get to know what he's got before overhauling the side.
Ginger Chimp
27-12-2007, 13:37
Our form has been shocking since we beat WBA last season 12 wins in 33 games, only 3 against teams from the top half of the table.
... and, if you include the two CC games and the PO games, we've scored 45 goals and conceded 48.
P 37 W 13 D 10 L 14 F 45 A 48 (theoretical points would be 49pts)
1.32 points per game. (in today's table that would put us in 12th or 13th spot with 32 points).
Proof, if proof were needed, that we are a mid-table side.
... and, if you include the two CC games and the PO games, we've scored 45 goals and conceded 48.
P 37 W 13 D 10 L 14 F 45 A 48 (theoretical points would be 49pts)
1.32 points per game. (in today's table that would put us in 12th or 13th spot with 32 points).
Proof, if proof were needed, that we are a mid-table side.
Adrian_Monk
27-12-2007, 13:42
Why would you let a manger risk your clubs 1,2 or maybe £3million when he may not even be here in another 5 months, should he continue to get it wrong.
Let him prove his worth by getting the most out of players he has. If he cant do that, then dont give him more players to under motivate/train/utilize.
Because last time he was given time and funds to add to the squad (Sir Jack spoilt pre-season by dragging out the takeover, leaving Mick with very little time to bring in the players he wanted) his signings catalysed our season. He did the same with Sunderland.
Let him prove his worth by getting the most out of players he has. If he cant do that, then dont give him more players to under motivate/train/utilize.
Because last time he was given time and funds to add to the squad (Sir Jack spoilt pre-season by dragging out the takeover, leaving Mick with very little time to bring in the players he wanted) his signings catalysed our season. He did the same with Sunderland.
Japan Wulf
27-12-2007, 13:50
I'd say no, as, if we're honest, this is the first real slump in one and a half seasons under MM so he should be given an opportunity to turn it around.
Three wins from the last eleven and only six goals to show for it. It is most assuredly a slump which Mick can't allow to continue if he wan't to keep his job. It appears to me that he didn't buy as wisely as he may have in the close season but I agree about him having the chance to reverse the situation. It's up to him to take the chance but I expect him to be shown the door on the day if and when we fail to make the play offs.
Three wins from the last eleven and only six goals to show for it. It is most assuredly a slump which Mick can't allow to continue if he wan't to keep his job. It appears to me that he didn't buy as wisely as he may have in the close season but I agree about him having the chance to reverse the situation. It's up to him to take the chance but I expect him to be shown the door on the day if and when we fail to make the play offs.
Woburn Wolf
27-12-2007, 14:13
Three wins from the last eleven and only six goals to show for it. It is most assuredly a slump which Mick can't allow to continue if he wan't to keep his job. It appears to me that he didn't buy as wisely as he may have in the close season but I agree about him having the chance to reverse the situation. It's up to him to take the chance but I expect him to be shown the door on the day if and when we fail to make the play offs.
Or maybe when we hit the bottom three which won't take long if our current form persists too much longer.
Or maybe when we hit the bottom three which won't take long if our current form persists too much longer.
Boss Hogg
27-12-2007, 15:14
Like Dave Jones he has now "lost" the players, and when that goes you might as well get rid as it never gets any better - see also Allardyce at Newcastle.
Carlos#5
27-12-2007, 15:45
Like Dave Jones he has now "lost" the players, and when that goes you might as well get rid as it never gets any better - see also Allardyce at Newcastle.
Agreed, right now every person in that dressing room to a man needs to be 100% determined that they will individually and collectively turn this round, otherwise player or manager, they might as well go.
Except, please tell me, all these references that McCarthy has 'lost' the dressing, is there any evidence, I can not find any, are we speculating again?
Agreed, right now every person in that dressing room to a man needs to be 100% determined that they will individually and collectively turn this round, otherwise player or manager, they might as well go.
Except, please tell me, all these references that McCarthy has 'lost' the dressing, is there any evidence, I can not find any, are we speculating again?
Stewarton Wolf
27-12-2007, 23:02
I noticed the Wolf had a similar poll which had a massive 24 votes....
Purple Ronnie
28-12-2007, 01:49
loyal supporter been to every game he has lost the plot playing people out of position needs to go NOW but i still will be there at norwich MCCARTHY OUT
Japan Wulf
28-12-2007, 15:33
Except, please tell me, all these references that McCarthy has 'lost' the dressing, is there any evidence...?
I was wondering the same thing.
I was wondering the same thing.
SaleWolf
28-12-2007, 15:42
Mccarthy doesn't deserve anything from the board supporters or anyone at the club.
He''s taken us backwards this year and giving him more money to waste in January is suicidal.
Anyone who thinks he should have another chance in the transfer market is bonkers. Look at the dross he has brought in so far.
Get rid now. Even if he did perform a miracle and get us up, we'd have to sack him then anyway due to him clearly not being abled to cut it at the highest level.
There is no argument for keeping him. Last season is gone, forget it.
He''s taken us backwards this year and giving him more money to waste in January is suicidal.
Anyone who thinks he should have another chance in the transfer market is bonkers. Look at the dross he has brought in so far.
Get rid now. Even if he did perform a miracle and get us up, we'd have to sack him then anyway due to him clearly not being abled to cut it at the highest level.
There is no argument for keeping him. Last season is gone, forget it.
Paul76
28-12-2007, 15:45
Mccarthy doesn't deserve anything from the board supporters or anyone at the club.
He''s taken us backwards this year and giving him more money to waste in January is suicidal.
Anyone who thinks he should have another chance in the transfer market is bonkers. Look at the dross he has brought in so far.
Get rid now. Even if he did perform a miracle and get us up, we'd have to sack him then anyway due to him clearly not being abled to cut it at the highest level.
There is no argument for keeping him. Last season is gone, forget it.
What about the fact we have nobody lined up to replace him with.
That's a pretty big argument for keeping MM in my opinion.
He''s taken us backwards this year and giving him more money to waste in January is suicidal.
Anyone who thinks he should have another chance in the transfer market is bonkers. Look at the dross he has brought in so far.
Get rid now. Even if he did perform a miracle and get us up, we'd have to sack him then anyway due to him clearly not being abled to cut it at the highest level.
There is no argument for keeping him. Last season is gone, forget it.
What about the fact we have nobody lined up to replace him with.
That's a pretty big argument for keeping MM in my opinion.
Wolv3nsam
28-12-2007, 15:48
Mccarthy doesn't deserve anything from the board supporters or anyone at the club.
He''s taken us backwards this year and giving him more money to waste in January is suicidal.
Anyone who thinks he should have another chance in the transfer market is bonkers. Look at the dross he has brought in so far.
Get rid now. Even if he did perform a miracle and get us up, we'd have to sack him then anyway due to him clearly not being abled to cut it at the highest level.
There is no argument for keeping him. Last season is gone, forget it.
Surely if we give him no money then improvements can't be made to the squad and therefore we'll just continue seeing this carp?
Not giving him money would be suicidal.
He''s taken us backwards this year and giving him more money to waste in January is suicidal.
Anyone who thinks he should have another chance in the transfer market is bonkers. Look at the dross he has brought in so far.
Get rid now. Even if he did perform a miracle and get us up, we'd have to sack him then anyway due to him clearly not being abled to cut it at the highest level.
There is no argument for keeping him. Last season is gone, forget it.
Surely if we give him no money then improvements can't be made to the squad and therefore we'll just continue seeing this carp?
Not giving him money would be suicidal.
SaleWolf
28-12-2007, 15:50
Surely if we give him no money then improvements can't be made to the squad and therefore we'll just continue seeing this carp?
Not giving him money would be suicidal.
You have to remember this is Mccarthy's crap though.
He bought the players, organises the team and the makes his selections. Mccarthy could and should have signed the right players in the summer but didn't.
Why should he get a chance in January??? He's had his chance and blown it.
Not giving him money would be suicidal.
You have to remember this is Mccarthy's crap though.
He bought the players, organises the team and the makes his selections. Mccarthy could and should have signed the right players in the summer but didn't.
Why should he get a chance in January??? He's had his chance and blown it.
Wolv3nsam
28-12-2007, 15:54
You have to remember this is Mccarthy's crap though.
He bought the players, organises the team and the makes his selections. Mccarthy could and should have signed the right players in the summer but didn't.
Why should he get a chance in January??? He's had his chance and blown it.
I can see where you're coming from, but if we improve the squad there is a possibility that we could still make the play-offs. I think the players are as much to blame as McCarthy to be honest, I think they're still living on last season's success.. not that I'm trying to shift the blame completely.
He bought the players, organises the team and the makes his selections. Mccarthy could and should have signed the right players in the summer but didn't.
Why should he get a chance in January??? He's had his chance and blown it.
I can see where you're coming from, but if we improve the squad there is a possibility that we could still make the play-offs. I think the players are as much to blame as McCarthy to be honest, I think they're still living on last season's success.. not that I'm trying to shift the blame completely.
Lupo Italiano
28-12-2007, 15:56
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Lupo Italiano
28-12-2007, 15:57
Why should he get a chance in January??? He's had his chance and blown it.
In that case then, we either write off the remainder of this season watching Mick fruitlessly trying to turn the situation around with a squad regarded by most as not being good enough or we get rid of Mick and bring someone else in...
Someone else who is going to spend the majority of the transfer window assessing the squad he has inherited and seeing where and how it needs to be improved whilst missing out on credible targets meaning he will then enter February with a similar squad to the one he inherited and only the loan market to make any improvements.
As much as my faith in MM has wained of late, sacking him at this stage would be a huge gamble and by no means a wise one.
In that case then, we either write off the remainder of this season watching Mick fruitlessly trying to turn the situation around with a squad regarded by most as not being good enough or we get rid of Mick and bring someone else in...
Someone else who is going to spend the majority of the transfer window assessing the squad he has inherited and seeing where and how it needs to be improved whilst missing out on credible targets meaning he will then enter February with a similar squad to the one he inherited and only the loan market to make any improvements.
As much as my faith in MM has wained of late, sacking him at this stage would be a huge gamble and by no means a wise one.
SaleWolf
28-12-2007, 16:01
I can see where you're coming from, but if we improve the squad there is a possibility that we could still make the play-offs. I think the players are as much to blame as McCarthy to be honest, I think they're still living on last season's success.. not that I'm trying to shift the blame completely.
I'll have to disagree with you there. I don't think the players are to blame.
Apart from Bothroyd, i haven't criticised one player this season for lack of effort. I don't actually think the players are living off last year, i just think the manager has completely changed his game.
Why oh why has he reverted to such teadious long ball hoof tactics that have blighted our season? Even if Mccarthy signs a target man up front, the elusive big pacey centre half, a decent left back and a creative midfielder i have lost all faith in him organising that side into a promotion winning force.
Even when he reverted to a more attacking line up at Hull, we were actually worse than we have been all season. I just don't see it changing no matter who he signs and therefore would not trust him with a penny.
I'll have to disagree with you there. I don't think the players are to blame.
Apart from Bothroyd, i haven't criticised one player this season for lack of effort. I don't actually think the players are living off last year, i just think the manager has completely changed his game.
Why oh why has he reverted to such teadious long ball hoof tactics that have blighted our season? Even if Mccarthy signs a target man up front, the elusive big pacey centre half, a decent left back and a creative midfielder i have lost all faith in him organising that side into a promotion winning force.
Even when he reverted to a more attacking line up at Hull, we were actually worse than we have been all season. I just don't see it changing no matter who he signs and therefore would not trust him with a penny.
Stewarton Wolf
28-12-2007, 16:02
You have to remember this is Mccarthy's crap though.
He bought the players, organises the team and the makes his selections. Mccarthy could and should have signed the right players in the summer but didn't.
Why should he get a chance in January??? He's had his chance and blown it.
Spot on, crying out for a left back and a central defender with pace, we get a last minute free transfer in Gray who is no better than Clapham, turns down the opportunity to loan the Chelsea centre half, to waste money on a centre half who really is no better than Keith Lowe, buys 2 strikers, one with an injury record as long as the M6, the other who he destroys all confidence and changes the way he plays to stop him scoring. sells a perfectly good left winger, to replace him with someone who clearly he doesn't rate.
Lets give him more money....
Lets give him more time.......
The only reason he is still in a job is because its xmas, and it would cause more damage to sack him now than early in the new year. My money is on the fact that the decision has been made and MM is little more than a caretaker until after Sheff Utd. The new manager will probably already be sounding out targets, and back room staff.
He bought the players, organises the team and the makes his selections. Mccarthy could and should have signed the right players in the summer but didn't.
Why should he get a chance in January??? He's had his chance and blown it.
Spot on, crying out for a left back and a central defender with pace, we get a last minute free transfer in Gray who is no better than Clapham, turns down the opportunity to loan the Chelsea centre half, to waste money on a centre half who really is no better than Keith Lowe, buys 2 strikers, one with an injury record as long as the M6, the other who he destroys all confidence and changes the way he plays to stop him scoring. sells a perfectly good left winger, to replace him with someone who clearly he doesn't rate.
Lets give him more money....
Lets give him more time.......
The only reason he is still in a job is because its xmas, and it would cause more damage to sack him now than early in the new year. My money is on the fact that the decision has been made and MM is little more than a caretaker until after Sheff Utd. The new manager will probably already be sounding out targets, and back room staff.
SaleWolf
28-12-2007, 16:05
In that case then, we either write off the remainder of this season watching Mick fruitlessly trying to turn the situation around with a squad regarded by most as not being good enough or we get rid of Mick and bring someone else in...
The above is the prime reason why Mccarthy should go.
How has he taken us from Play-off semi-finalists and then summer promotion favourites to mid-table mediocrity when he has spent over £4m?
If you take an orgnisation backwards so spectacularly in a 6 month period whilst spending a pretty decent sum of money, you deserve the bullet imo.
The above is the prime reason why Mccarthy should go.
How has he taken us from Play-off semi-finalists and then summer promotion favourites to mid-table mediocrity when he has spent over £4m?
If you take an orgnisation backwards so spectacularly in a 6 month period whilst spending a pretty decent sum of money, you deserve the bullet imo.
Lupo Italiano
28-12-2007, 16:43
The only reason he is still in a job is because its xmas, and it would cause more damage to sack him now than early in the new year. My money is on the fact that the decision has been made and MM is little more than a caretaker until after Sheff Utd. The new manager will probably already be sounding out targets, and back room staff.
If this is the case though, is it not a little bizarre that they gave him a payrise less than 3 weeks ago rather than let him take the Korea job and get a dollop of compensation from the Korean FA?
If this is the case though, is it not a little bizarre that they gave him a payrise less than 3 weeks ago rather than let him take the Korea job and get a dollop of compensation from the Korean FA?
Stewarton Wolf
28-12-2007, 17:05
If this is the case though, is it not a little bizarre that they gave him a payrise less than 3 weeks ago rather than let him take the Korea job and get a dollop of compensation from the Korean FA?
Nobody has ever said his pay was under discussion.
Nobody has ever said his pay was under discussion.
Lupo Italiano
28-12-2007, 17:11
It is widely regarded (not sure if it has been categorically confirmed) that Mick secured a payrise after his talks with the club
Dougal McGuire
28-12-2007, 17:14
Not convinced atm, ****** off with the way things are going but I think he should be given time to turn things around.
I voted no, not now but get rid at the end of the season if it doesn't improve.
I voted no, not now but get rid at the end of the season if it doesn't improve.
Woburn Wolf
28-12-2007, 17:38
If this is the case though, is it not a little bizarre that they gave him a payrise less than 3 weeks ago rather than let him take the Korea job and get a dollop of compensation from the Korean FA?
Morgan's first big mistake.
Morgan's first big mistake.
Lupo Italiano
28-12-2007, 17:41
A strange one though if it takes only 3 weeks for him to change his opinion from Mick being worth more money to Mick being worthy of sacking?
Dougal McGuire
28-12-2007, 17:49
It is widely regarded (not sure if it has been categorically confirmed) that Mick secured a payrise after his talks with the club
Can't find quote ( maybe someone can ) but rather than the possibility of it being confirmed, I thought the whole pay rise thing had actually been denied.
( Not that I'd unquestionably believe it if it had )
Can't find quote ( maybe someone can ) but rather than the possibility of it being confirmed, I thought the whole pay rise thing had actually been denied.
( Not that I'd unquestionably believe it if it had )
Lupo Italiano
28-12-2007, 18:18
Perhaps it was just assumptions and hearsay then.
Like the one about Big Mick losing the dressing room!
Like the one about Big Mick losing the dressing room!
Paul76
28-12-2007, 18:35
Perhaps it was just assumptions and hearsay then.
Like the one about Big Mick losing the dressing room!
Whatever was discussed and agreed that day at Morgans mansion has been kept confidential.
So I'd agree it's all hearsay.
Like the one about Big Mick losing the dressing room!
Whatever was discussed and agreed that day at Morgans mansion has been kept confidential.
So I'd agree it's all hearsay.
Pig
28-12-2007, 19:28
Try to persuade Chris Coleman to join us.
Paul76
28-12-2007, 19:31
Try to persuade Chris Coleman to join us.
He'd be my first choice as well. He's a good man manager plus he's pretty good in the transfer market.
He'd be my first choice as well. He's a good man manager plus he's pretty good in the transfer market.
The Weasel
28-12-2007, 19:33
Really glad to see that a few days after the hull result we have pretty much got 60:40 against sacking MM, even on this board which to me feels more negative than the typical match going fanbase. Maybe, just maybe sense will prevail, this is not the point in the season to make a change. This is the point in the season to rally round and give these kids our full support. I really hope Mick can turn things around. If he doesn't and we fail to make the play-offs then and only then we should assess the future. We've been pretty awful most of this season for one reason or another but we're still amongst the chasing pack, it can still be done.
Mick, my January wish list for you.....
Please ship out: Collins, Ward D, Ward S, Potter, Mulgrew (and Rosa/Clapham whoever else you've already decided doesn't form part of our future plans).
Please buy or loan a young CB to play alongside Craddock (or Breen I suppose) a LB to keep Gray warming the bench, a LM likewise for Jarvis a defensive CM or play Gibson there, and a target man if we plan to hoof balls long.
Please give Mark Davies a run as an attacking CM (or RM til Kightly's fit), give Foley a rest and play Henry at RB, and choose a strike partnership (Keogh and either Eastwood or Bothroyd) and stick with it.
Most important of all PLEASE tell the players to play the ball on the grass to feet or into space, tell them they need to show for one another, we need movement off the ball, tell them to close down the opposition just like they did last season (and like loads of teams have done to us this year) and fine them for every aimless hoof!
Thanks for listening, its been emotional.
Mick, my January wish list for you.....
Please ship out: Collins, Ward D, Ward S, Potter, Mulgrew (and Rosa/Clapham whoever else you've already decided doesn't form part of our future plans).
Please buy or loan a young CB to play alongside Craddock (or Breen I suppose) a LB to keep Gray warming the bench, a LM likewise for Jarvis a defensive CM or play Gibson there, and a target man if we plan to hoof balls long.
Please give Mark Davies a run as an attacking CM (or RM til Kightly's fit), give Foley a rest and play Henry at RB, and choose a strike partnership (Keogh and either Eastwood or Bothroyd) and stick with it.
Most important of all PLEASE tell the players to play the ball on the grass to feet or into space, tell them they need to show for one another, we need movement off the ball, tell them to close down the opposition just like they did last season (and like loads of teams have done to us this year) and fine them for every aimless hoof!
Thanks for listening, its been emotional.
Hatch End Wolf
28-12-2007, 19:42
Unfortunately weasel, he isn't listening and if he is, he's not going to take any notice.
It will be more of the same until the team miraculously start winning or drop down the table to the point where Morgan has had enough. Either way Mick's strategy will continue to be high tempo, hard running and hope for the best!
It will be more of the same until the team miraculously start winning or drop down the table to the point where Morgan has had enough. Either way Mick's strategy will continue to be high tempo, hard running and hope for the best!
Oldgold Wolfcub
28-12-2007, 19:47
Really glad to see that a few days after the hull result we have pretty much got 60:40 against sacking MM, even on this board which to me feels more negative than the typical match going fanbase. .
Where do you get that from when only 34% on this site have said no to his being sacked?
Where do you get that from when only 34% on this site have said no to his being sacked?
JR's Boots
28-12-2007, 19:48
I've voted undecided but if Morgan has Ince lined up and therefore no time was lost in the January transfer window then I would vote yes
Hatch End Wolf
28-12-2007, 19:51
Sorry but "undecided" can't be counted as in favour of Mick....and I'm one of the number.
Paul76
28-12-2007, 19:54
I voted "no" simply because I see nobody to replace him with.
I still think MM can turn round this dreadful run of results but from my perspective I can't see how he can do it without Kightly.
I still think MM can turn round this dreadful run of results but from my perspective I can't see how he can do it without Kightly.
The Weasel
28-12-2007, 19:55
Sorry to confuse, that wasn't the main gist of my post, although I was pointing out that it was a good thing that almost 60% had chosen an option that wasn't "yes sack MM now", that's all. I recognise that undecided can go either way but the point I was making was that even at this low point in the season those people voted against the option to sack now.
Ogerp
28-12-2007, 19:59
Sorry to confuse, that wasn't the main gist of my post, although I was pointing out that it was a good thing that almost 60% had chosen an option that wasn't "yes sack MM now", that's all. I recognise that undecided can go either way but the point I was making was that even at this low point in the season those people voted against the option to sack now.
By the same token over 65% have chosen an option that was not don't sack Mick ;)
By the same token over 65% have chosen an option that was not don't sack Mick ;)
Hatch End Wolf
28-12-2007, 20:04
You've got me beat there Ogerp! Now I'm really confussed.
The Weasel
28-12-2007, 20:08
By the same token over 65% have chosen an option that was not don't sack Mick ;)
Can't disagree with that, but a couple of days ago there was over 60% in the sack now camp so given that people adding to the poll are choosing one of the other options it would indicate that on reflection views are less hardline than might have been expected IMO.
Can't disagree with that, but a couple of days ago there was over 60% in the sack now camp so given that people adding to the poll are choosing one of the other options it would indicate that on reflection views are less hardline than might have been expected IMO.
Phys Ed Wolf
28-12-2007, 20:08
MM should not get the sack. Wrong time of the season. Board would get a roasting for complete ineptness. It would take the length of time the window was open to get a manager in, and therefore, we wouldn't be able to improve the squad.
The majority of the squad MM has now, played well last season. Although he had money to spend, he decided to stay loyal to his rag tag and bob tail collection of second/third chancers. They've let him down. The thing about being 'young and hungry' (in particularly the young bit) is that that when things are going wrong confidence goes quickly and you struggle to find the mental strength to right the wrongs.
I know we have problems around the squad, but if I was MM I'd be looking for an experienced centre mid and forward. Leaders to motivate on the pitch that encourage the team to keep doing the simple things. Anyway, I digress.
To sack now would be folly, and I do believe MM will turn it round, but I accept that performances have not been good enough. I believe that in this transfer window, we will see quite a few comings and goings.
The majority of the squad MM has now, played well last season. Although he had money to spend, he decided to stay loyal to his rag tag and bob tail collection of second/third chancers. They've let him down. The thing about being 'young and hungry' (in particularly the young bit) is that that when things are going wrong confidence goes quickly and you struggle to find the mental strength to right the wrongs.
I know we have problems around the squad, but if I was MM I'd be looking for an experienced centre mid and forward. Leaders to motivate on the pitch that encourage the team to keep doing the simple things. Anyway, I digress.
To sack now would be folly, and I do believe MM will turn it round, but I accept that performances have not been good enough. I believe that in this transfer window, we will see quite a few comings and goings.
The Weasel
28-12-2007, 20:36
MM should not get the sack. Wrong time of the season. Board would get a roasting for complete ineptness. It would take the length of time the window was open to get a manager in, and therefore, we wouldn't be able to improve the squad.
The majority of the squad MM has now, played well last season. Although he had money to spend, he decided to stay loyal to his rag tag and bob tail collection of second/third chancers. They've let him down. The thing about being 'young and hungry' (in particularly the young bit) is that that when things are going wrong confidence goes quickly and you struggle to find the mental strength to right the wrongs.
I know we have problems around the squad, but if I was MM I'd be looking for an experienced centre mid and forward. Leaders to motivate on the pitch that encourage the team to keep doing the simple things. Anyway, I digress.
To sack now would be folly, and I do believe MM will turn it round, but I accept that performances have not been good enough. I believe that in this transfer window, we will see quite a few comings and goings.
Yup, totally agree, that's pretty much what I was trying to say...
The majority of the squad MM has now, played well last season. Although he had money to spend, he decided to stay loyal to his rag tag and bob tail collection of second/third chancers. They've let him down. The thing about being 'young and hungry' (in particularly the young bit) is that that when things are going wrong confidence goes quickly and you struggle to find the mental strength to right the wrongs.
I know we have problems around the squad, but if I was MM I'd be looking for an experienced centre mid and forward. Leaders to motivate on the pitch that encourage the team to keep doing the simple things. Anyway, I digress.
To sack now would be folly, and I do believe MM will turn it round, but I accept that performances have not been good enough. I believe that in this transfer window, we will see quite a few comings and goings.
Yup, totally agree, that's pretty much what I was trying to say...
Bevan
28-12-2007, 21:50
I think Kightly will be the catalyst for results to turn around, but he's a week or so away from returning. In the meantime we have to hope Breen and/or Craddock can shore up the defence and at the very least stop us from losing.
Regardless of the time of season though, I think if we lose the next 2 games it would surely be a case of enough is enough!
Regardless of the time of season though, I think if we lose the next 2 games it would surely be a case of enough is enough!
Paul76
28-12-2007, 22:49
I think Kightly will be the catalyst for results to turn around, but he's a week or so away from returning. In the meantime we have to hope Breen and/or Craddock can shore up the defence and at the very least stop us from losing.
Regardless of the time of season though, I think if we lose the next 2 games it would surely be a case of enough is enough!
I think we could see Kightly back much sooner than we think.
Regardless of the time of season though, I think if we lose the next 2 games it would surely be a case of enough is enough!
I think we could see Kightly back much sooner than we think.
Ogerp
28-12-2007, 23:00
I think we could see Kightly back much sooner than we think.
Let's hope it's with us and not gone in Jan to someone else.
Remember this young and hungry comes at a price.... a selling club?
Let's hope it's with us and not gone in Jan to someone else.
Remember this young and hungry comes at a price.... a selling club?
Womble19
28-12-2007, 23:10
I don't think Mick should be sacked, especially in January...so we spend the whole month looking for a new manager while clubs around us snap up the new buys and were left with 'building for next season' and looking mediocre for the rest of the season.
Lets get behind the boys to the close and have another look come the summer.
Lets get behind the boys to the close and have another look come the summer.
