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Has a man ever received so much adulation for producing so little?
Missing sitters still results in a resounding chant of Freddy, Freddy.
Someone did say it was because the gypos in the south bank could identify with him, which I thought was a bit harsh!!
The bloke hasn't scored since August and has had plenty of starts, I do hope he can turn things round and maybe as the cliche goes once he scoes one the floodgates will open!!
Gratters
03-12-2007, 15:02
You must want Keogh dead then !
Has a man ever received so much adulation for producing so little?
Good question. Kenny Miller? I believe after we signed him he went 21 games without scoring a single goal, but I recall him remaining fairly popular. That might be my dodgy memory mind. Of course, once he started scoring he couldn't stop, but boy, it took a long time to come.
And to be fair to Eastwood, he is still our leading scorer isn't he?
I think Keogh adds more to the team apart from goalscoring, when fit. Keogh hasn't been great lately though probably due to his niggling groin.
At times on Saturday Freddy did OK, at other times he was awful, just seemed disinterested to me.
I can't remember that about Kenny Miller I do remember him scoring over 40 golas in 2 seasons at this level though. Miller is a class above Eastwood I'm afraid!!
And to be fair to Eastwood, he is still our leading scorer isn't he?
Joint in league goals Bothroyd and Elliott have also got 3 but from fewer appearances.
Could Bothroyd and Elliott be our best partnership?
Atlas 1951
03-12-2007, 15:21
He's hit the woodwork three times in as many games, hasn't he?
Just as well he's got the fans on his side; he's a confidence player and we all saw what happened when he lost that confidence.
I agree it's admirable, I wish all players were afforded such support!!
I've only seen him once but is it correct in saying he gets caught offside to often.
I think he's decent, nothing special.
haden-wolf
03-12-2007, 16:03
IMHO its people trying to help Keogh and Eastwood, simple as that.
RichRalph
03-12-2007, 16:18
Frankowski = Elliot
Same player, same build, same energy, same style. Only difference is that Elliot has scored and Franky never played for Sunderland (yawn).
Freddy is a bit different. More close skill and shoots more. Less energy than Elliot.
Who is the best forward and what is the best combination is a debate that will rumble on until someone bags a load of goals. We have tried most combinations, all with pretty equal results (we have yet to partner Ward with 10 of the other 4 for more than a few minutes - maybe that will work, but I doubt it will happen barring an injury crisis.). Its not a bad situation to be in really and as long as the results keep rolling in, I'm happy.
Essex Wolf
03-12-2007, 16:21
Eastwood is still among the clubs leading scorers even if the total is poor. As such what do you think about Elliot, Bothroyd and Keogh then QB?
Munich_Wolf
03-12-2007, 16:24
Don't see much point in this thread other than an unnecessary dig at a player who's doing ok. I think he's popular because of his form at the start of the season, then being dropped for what was one bad game.
Only recently has he started getting another run of games. Why not let him have 10-15 games like the rest, even the most prolific strikers have a very bad streak of luck and I don't even think Freddy is at the stage where you can say he's having a bad run
Frankowski = Elliot
Same player, same build, same energy, same style. Only difference is that Elliot has scored and Franky never played for Sunderland (yawn).
And Elliott has some pace whereas Frankdudski was devoid of any.
RichRalph
03-12-2007, 16:26
And Elliott has some pace whereas Frankdudski was devoid of any.
Frank$$$$offski could pass better though. And the ball goes faster than any player!
wolves85nb
03-12-2007, 16:35
Don't see much point in this thread other than an unnecessary dig at a player who's doing ok. I think he's popular because of his form at the start of the season, then being dropped for what was one bad game.
Only recently has he started getting another run of games. Why not let him have 10-15 games like the rest, even the most prolific strikers have a very bad streak of luck and I don't even think Freddy is at the stage where you can say he's having a bad run
Wasn't MM right in saying that he's glad it was Eastwood who missed easy chances on Sat because anyone else would have got stick, yet Freddy gets his name chanted? I think so, if it was Elliot or Bothroyd they wouldn't have been allowed to forget it. Eastwood is a classy player but isn't quite there yet in terms of adapting his game for the team. If only other players were given as much time and recognition by the fans as he gets.
Essex Wolf
03-12-2007, 17:38
Wasn't MM right in saying that he's glad it was Eastwood who missed easy chances on Sat because anyone else would have got stick, yet Freddy gets his name chanted? I think so, if it was Elliot or Bothroyd they wouldn't have been allowed to forget it. Eastwood is a classy player but isn't quite there yet in terms of adapting his game for the team. If only other players were given as much time and recognition by the fans as he gets.
Eastwood might be getting the fans backing because many feel MM's treatment early days was out of order. Just a thought.
EasternWolf
03-12-2007, 17:55
Freddie was cast in the role of Roy of the Rovers from the outset, and good luck to him.. I like him and am confident he will score plenty soon enough. In the meantime we keep sneaking it and are third in the league.
I agree that the other players should get the same backing. Gus Poyet was talking about this sort of thing at the weekend. All players need the highly biased full-throated support of the fans at all times.
floyd streets feet
03-12-2007, 18:01
like said above ,sneaking 3 points is more important,i personally couldnt care less if he scores 6 in a game as long as we keep winning.The a***n went up with 1-0 wins and i can see us doing the same.
our inability to maintain the pressure on teams in the way that jones promotion team did in bursts and finish the chances made, make us end up in dog fights. ultimately its down to the quality of the players in the side which is not as good now as then, possibly because the present side is not as experienced. we certainly dont lack fight and never say die attitude, but is that enough to get us back up there? if we get 2 or 3 players of ability and maturity who blend in with the work rate of our present side i think it will be. eastwood, bothroyd and elliot have the ability to go on a scoring spree, what they need is a midfielder who can split the oppositition defence with one pass so they can hit their shot early. id like to see more of jarvis to see if he can be the player with that sort of ability, his dead ball accuracy looked good on saturday but as it was only for a short time its not enough to make a judgement.. davies and gleeson must get a chance as well at sometime as well as gobern if we can get him fit. the habit of winning 1-0 while playing badly is great and says a lot about team spirit. keep it up lads.
Phys Ed Wolf
03-12-2007, 18:07
Going to paraphrase Holloway from this weekend, 'When people pay their money to see a football match they're called supporters, not moaners, players need support'.
Agree in principle. If we can afford it Eastwood, we should afford it the other players.
With regards to previous forwards who struggled to begin with, but later 'blossomed', our old friend Camara, came good before it all went to his head.
As my missus says....4" makes such a difference !;)
Width of a post and this thread would not exist
Phys Ed Wolf
03-12-2007, 18:27
As my missus says....4" makes such a difference !;)
Width of a post and this thread would not exist
True enough.
Though I once worked with a very picky coach, who believed there was no such thing as luck in football, just bad technique, and so hitting the post wasn't unlucky, just poor shooting. You decide. Thought it was a bit harsh myself, but since spoke to many who agreed.
johnybig32
03-12-2007, 18:31
Another thread...another moan about a player...
Time to support...
We are 3rd and winning when not playing well, we have injuries yet have only lost 1 in about 10games...and we arent conceeding.
I doh carew if Eastwood never score again and we win 1 nil every week...
Toupee4Rae
03-12-2007, 18:31
Some people talk gash on here, Bothroyd is now a fans favourite since returning and looking like he actually gives a $$$$. Freddie on the other hand looks like the only player who will actually take a dig at goal.
Freddie is first choice striker by a mile. I would like to see him and Bothroyd together asap.
Keogh needs to go out on loan get his confidence back and score a few goals before being considered.
As for Elliot, I see nothing in him that convinces me he is worth even a place on the bench, he is a poacher at best and has been lucky to get back in.
Essex Wolf
03-12-2007, 18:32
The supporters of all clubs have their favourites who seem free from criticism and right now Freddy is that player.
Phys Ed Wolf
03-12-2007, 18:36
As for Elliot, I see nothing in him that convinces me he is worth even a place on the bench, he is a poacher at best and has been lucky to get back in.
I'll bow to your superior knowledge, as I've only been able to go once this season, but Elliott has scored just as many league goals as Bothroyd and Eastwood, more than Keough, and in less appearances. Lineker, Rush and Greaves didn't do too bad out of being poachers.
Evolution Wolf
03-12-2007, 18:37
I think he will be like Rooney last season scored a few then had a goal drout stretching across a few monthes played against Bolton got a Hat-trick and the flood gates opened and i belive he got about 20
As my missus says....4" makes such a difference !;)
Width of a post and this thread would not exist
your missus is easily pleased, bless you!:p
Toupee4Rae
03-12-2007, 18:41
I'll bow to your superior knowledge, as I've only been able to go once this season, but Elliott has scored just as many league goals as Bothroyd and Eastwood, more than Keough, and in less appearances. Lineker, Rush and Greaves didn't do too bad out of being poachers.I wouldnt disagree with that however, with the way we play at the moment ie creating nothing his goals will be few and far between. Bothroyd & Freddy will create chances for themselves, which at the moment is crucial considering our woeful lack of creativity.
Evolution Wolf
03-12-2007, 18:41
I think we should let him play how he like against Cambridge utd and use tactic which suit him that should get him going, but knowing our luck he will score 3 and get a long term injury.
Evolution Wolf
03-12-2007, 18:51
We do need an attacking creative midfielder because we are souly dependent on Kightly and play woefully when he isnt present although from the commentry it sounded like Jarvis was quite creative when he was on but those that where there will be able to correct me if i am wrong.
Munich_Wolf
03-12-2007, 18:57
if it was Elliot or Bothroyd they wouldn't have been allowed to forget it.
Based on what evidence? Likewise on what evidence were MM comments based? As far as I'm aware neither of these players have been booed, neither has Keogh. What is written on these pages is irrelevant on matchday at the Molineux. If you read these pages Mick you should spent your web time surfing porn ;)
Essex Wolf
03-12-2007, 19:01
We do need an attacking creative midfielder because we are souly dependent on Kightly and play woefully when he isnt present although from the commentry it sounded like Jarvis was quite creative when he was on but those that where there will be able to correct me if i am wrong.
I agree but what makes this whole issue so confusing is that MM has the very player to address the matter. Play Jarvis on the opposite wing and the side will not be reliant on Kightly to be the main outlet.
Dr Wolfenstein
03-12-2007, 19:03
We do need an attacking creative midfielder because we are souly dependent on Kightly and play woefully when he isnt present although from the commentry it sounded like Jarvis was quite creative when he was on but those that where there will be able to correct me if i am wrong.
I don't honestly recall Jarvis having much of a chance to run at people or use his pace. Preston generally defended pretty tightly, apart from when they backed off Henry, obviously fooled into a false sense of security that he would pass it sideways or back to Hennessy as our midfield had been doing throughout the game.
johnybig32
03-12-2007, 19:03
isnt that Gibson??
Dr Wolfenstein
03-12-2007, 19:07
Keogh needs to go out on loan get his confidence back and score a few goals before being considered.
Keogh looked more than confident enough to take on the entire Preston defence along the by-line, & looked to be unlucky not to get a penalty out of it.
Toupee4Rae
03-12-2007, 19:10
The only thing i really saw from Jarvis is the fact that he takes a decent corner, could be vital for us with Fanny or Collins running it to meet them!
He hasnt had much of a chance really to show what he can do although I am not sure about left wing as from what I have been told (by a gills fan) he is very right footed and wont cross with his left foot.
Essex Wolf
03-12-2007, 19:19
He hasnt had much of a chance really to show what he can do although I am not sure about left wing as from what I have been told (by a gills fan) he is very right footed and wont cross with his left foot.
So why did MM sign him seeing as he already has Kightly?
From my understanding he was signed to play left wing yet now he is fit is being ignored in place of a CF being forced to play as a winger.
Seeing as he is right footed though and as MM seems reluctant to drop Ward S then whilst Kightly is missing why not give Jarvis a try?
Once Kightly returns I'd like to see he and Jarvis on opposite wings which is what I thought was going to be the case until Jarvis got injured.
Dr Wolfenstein
03-12-2007, 19:22
The only thing i really saw from Jarvis is the fact that he takes a decent corner, could be vital for us with Fanny or Collins running it to meet them!
Seems to drop it in accurately, but I'm not sure there's enough pace on the ball to confuse or worry defenders. And we may as well take short corners if there's only short blokes up front to aim at.
Toupee4Rae
03-12-2007, 19:32
So why did MM sign him seeing as he already has Kightly?
From my understanding he was signed to play left wing yet now he is fit is being ignored in place of a CF being forced to play as a winger.
Seeing as he is right footed though and as MM seems reluctant to drop Ward S then whilst Kightly is missing why not give Jarvis a try?
Once Kightly returns I'd like to see he and Jarvis on opposite wings which is what I thought was going to be the case until Jarvis got injured.I share your frustration, I thought Jarvis would have had his chance by now, having said that we dont truly know how fit he is at the moment having suffered various niggling injuries.
I do however get the feeling that Ward will stay in the team regardless, which worries me.
Jarvis Henry Olo & Kightly is a midfield fit to challenge at the top of the table, will we see it? that remains to be answered.
Toupee4Rae
03-12-2007, 19:33
Seems to drop it in accurately, but I'm not sure there's enough pace on the ball to confuse or worry defenders. And we may as well take short corners if there's only short blokes up front to aim at.At the moment the fact that he can clear the first man is a huge step forward!!!
wanderer24
04-12-2007, 07:45
jibba jabba
Devil's Slide Wolf
04-12-2007, 08:29
I agree it's admirable, I wish all players were afforded such support!!
I think this is a paraphrase of MM's post match comments which only ring hollow because MM doesn't take into account that Freddy is still new and is perceived to have been slighted somewhat - we loves the underdog.
I think MM was kinda linking the fans criticizing Keogh for not scoring enough and he was suggesting that it was lucky that it wasnt any other player (aside from Freddy) in the last couple of games who'd hit the post otherwise th fans would've gotten on that players back.
I hate his post match comments coz he's either really nailed the Mol crowd pattern of behaviour really accurately or he's just being a $$$$. I think it's a bit of both, but what do I know?
Eastwood is still among the clubs leading scorers even if the total is poor. As such what do you think about Elliot, Bothroyd and Keogh then QB?
I think Bothroyd is the most talented forward at the club and appears to be working a lot harder this season, when fit he'd be the first choice forward by a mile for me. Keogh I think has underachieved this season I think because of his groin, on Saturday he showed flashes of last season. As for Elliott haven't seen enough yet, I think he needs a big bloke to play alongside him but he certainly seems like a poacher which is no bad thing.
Dewsburywolf
04-12-2007, 12:12
Has anyone taken into account yet that Niell Collins is only ONE League goal behind Eastwood in the Scoring stakes? Not just Eastwood who's misfiring, if indeed you can call it that.
The Bear
04-12-2007, 14:18
Eastwood needs to work on his game, as it's not great at the minute.
He struggles to hold up the ball, gives it away too often, and deosn't put enough effort in for my liking.
BUT - He is getting in good positions and is getting chances, one of which is bound to go in sooner rather than later.
For that reason you can't drop him. However I would drop Elliott and bring Keogh back in.
I think he needs to change his hooves.
http://www.cottamhorseshoes.com/
Sozzled Wolf
04-12-2007, 17:07
In terms of the adulation, after a couple of difficult years sifting through the bargain basements Eastwood was our first 'expensive' buy and was built up to be the messiah, if you like, a symbol of the time when we became able to compete in the transfer market again. Our recent low-point as a club gave us all a wake-up call and undoubtedly lowered the expectations, hence we're naturally more grateful for the opportunity to have someone of Eastwood's market value at our club... and therefore more willing to give him time to succeed.
The Bear made a good point about him getting into good positions too - watching him closely he doesn't need to bolt about all over the field to find space as he ghosts into positions excellently. This, combined with his almost single-minded determination to shoot on site, means he will hit a goal-scoring run of form before long, I'm sure.
Evolution Wolf
04-12-2007, 19:08
In terms of the adulation, after a couple of difficult years sifting through the bargain basements Eastwood was our first 'expensive' buy and was built up to be the messiah, if you like, a symbol of the time when we became able to compete in the transfer market again. Our recent low-point as a club gave us all a wake-up call and undoubtedly lowered the expectations, hence we're naturally more grateful for the opportunity to have someone of Eastwood's market value at our club... and therefore more willing to give him time to succeed.
The Bear made a good point about him getting into good positions too - watching him closely he doesn't need to bolt about all over the field to find space as he ghosts into positions excellently. This, combined with his almost single-minded determination to shoot on site, means he will hit a goal-scoring run of form before long, I'm sure.
quite agree and hes promised to repay the support of the fans so it may be sooner than later.
i think he will be like Rooney last season scored a few had a massive dry patch then played bolton and scored 3 then the flood gates opened he was back
Black Suit
04-12-2007, 19:26
quite agree and hes promised to repay the support of the fans so it may be sooner than later.
i think he will be like Rooney last season scored a few had a massive dry patch then played bolton and scored 3 then the flood gates opened he was back
And then get caught shagging a Granny.
Evolution Wolf
04-12-2007, 19:43
actually the granny shagging thing was a year or 2 before
i might just resort to purchasing some lucky heather if he doesnt score tonight
Frankowski = Elliot
Same player, same build, same energy, same style. Only difference is that Elliot has scored and Franky never played for Sunderland (yawn).
But Elliott only scores from one yard out, one yard to the left of the left side post
Atlas 1951
04-12-2007, 21:45
quite agree and hes promised to repay the support of the fans so it may be sooner than later.
i think he will be like Rooney last season scored a few had a massive dry patch then played bolton and scored 3 then the flood gates opened he was back
While Mick considers an out-of-form Keogh and a Ward that has played left wing all season his best striking options for an away game, Freddy's goal is going to be a while coming. Not that it won't necessarily be the next one we score, mind you...
johnybig32
04-12-2007, 22:02
When Eastwood came on it sounded like we looked very threatening, and at least he worked the goalkeeper!!!
I really think we are missing Kites and also Bothroyd for that bit of creativity!
