fielden05
13-11-2007, 19:04
I am reliably informed
Set to become Gary Megson's number 2 at Bolton
Personally, I'm gutted!
Set to become Gary Megson's number 2 at Bolton
Personally, I'm gutted!
View Full Version : Chris Evans Resigns!
Papper
13-11-2007, 19:08
Radio 2 will never be the same again :(
Cardiff Wolf
13-11-2007, 19:11
Clearly a great opportunity for Chris, he's done a brilliant job for us over the years, I don't quite want Bolton to get relegated so much anymore.
Papper
13-11-2007, 19:19
Seriously, the latest crop of youngsters, who reached the youth cup semi have fell somewhat short of the standard and have disappeared. We haven't yet 'bred' four or five youngsters who have had a promotion winning impact so we could argue that the academy has been totally fruitless in it's part remit of attaining the joint goal of sustained Premiership football. I cant actually see it's a major loss to Wolverhampton Wanderers.
Kightly £50 Grays?
Kightly £50 Grays?
Del Woppio
13-11-2007, 19:19
Absoluley gutted if this is true. Big chance for him though.
Deutsch Wolf
13-11-2007, 19:23
Same source?
http://www.molineuxmix.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?t=8978&highlight=allardyce
http://www.molineuxmix.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?t=8978&highlight=allardyce
fielden05
13-11-2007, 19:25
nope, have updated them since then. This will be true though, and if not, well i dunno.lol.
shrewsbury_wolf
13-11-2007, 19:26
things must have changed dramatically, he said in the summer whatever came along in the future he was commited to wolves for life.
Del Woppio
13-11-2007, 19:27
nope, have updated them since then. This will be true though, and if not, well i dunno.lol.
If it's not, you should be thrown off the parliament, and $$$$ed by Michael Oakes, you attention seeking little $$$$. $$$$ing 'lol'ing $$$$.
If it's not, you should be thrown off the parliament, and $$$$ed by Michael Oakes, you attention seeking little $$$$. $$$$ing 'lol'ing $$$$.
Wolv3nsam
13-11-2007, 19:31
I can't see this being true personally but if it is I'll be gutted.
fielden05
13-11-2007, 19:33
If it's not, you should be thrown off the parliament, and $$$$ed by Michael Oakes, you attention seeking little $$$$. $$$$ing 'lol'ing $$$$.
we'll see, but in the meen time, shut up!
we'll see, but in the meen time, shut up!
Deutsch Wolf
13-11-2007, 19:34
No previous links between Megson and Evans.
He's taken (or tried to take) Frank Burrows as assistant everywhere he's been since West Brom.
He's taken (or tried to take) Frank Burrows as assistant everywhere he's been since West Brom.
Mutchy
13-11-2007, 19:36
Chris Evans has - or did have - managerial ambitions. I suspect he would eventually regret it if he didn't try to move in that direction. However I have no idea whether there is any truth in Fielden's claims.
fielden05
13-11-2007, 19:36
They did their coaching bades together two years ago!
Wolv3nsam
13-11-2007, 19:37
Where did you hear this, Fielden?
Bilston_Wolf
13-11-2007, 19:41
They did their coaching bades together two years ago!
That is true actually.
That is true actually.
fielden05
13-11-2007, 19:41
As i have been told at Uni, a good journo never reveals his sources ;)
fielden05
13-11-2007, 19:42
thanks Bilston :D
Papper
13-11-2007, 19:43
As i have been told at Uni, a good journo never reveals his sources ;)
Or assumes he is going to be Megson's No.2 :rolleyes:
Or assumes he is going to be Megson's No.2 :rolleyes:
Wolv3nsam
13-11-2007, 19:47
As i have been told at Uni, a good journo never reveals his sources ;)
Bit of a rubbish excuse.
Bit of a rubbish excuse.
Bilston_Wolf
13-11-2007, 19:47
Although i've also read a story earlier saying that Burrows will be Megson's number 2 as soon as Wigan appoint a new manager.
IrchyWolf
13-11-2007, 20:07
As i have been told at Uni, a good journo never reveals his sources ;)
Unless his name is Alan Rusbridger, of course :D
Unless his name is Alan Rusbridger, of course :D
wolvesinwales
13-11-2007, 20:24
Cant see this as who would want to work for the whingeing chimp.
Deutsch Wolf
13-11-2007, 22:31
Although i've also read a story earlier saying that Burrows will be Megson's number 2 as soon as Wigan appoint a new manager.
Burrows is at Leicester at the moment. Frank Barlow is at Wigan, he was also at Forest with Megson.
Burrows is at Leicester at the moment. Frank Barlow is at Wigan, he was also at Forest with Megson.
cooper_J
13-11-2007, 22:50
As i have been told at Uni, a good journo never reveals his sources ;)
Not exactly David Kelly though is it?
Not exactly David Kelly though is it?
thekentwolf
13-11-2007, 22:55
As long as 'Sally Traffic' stay's I am happy.
Devonwolf
13-11-2007, 23:26
I don't quite want Bolton to get relegated so much anymore.
I do
I do
Bilston_Wolf
13-11-2007, 23:51
Burrows is at Leicester at the moment. Frank Barlow is at Wigan, he was also at Forest with Megson.
Thats who i meant.
Thats who i meant.
Dr Wolfenstein
14-11-2007, 00:40
Not exactly David Kelly though is it?
No, he's still at Derby
No, he's still at Derby
Kenny-11
14-11-2007, 11:55
http://www.expressandstar.com/2007/11/14/academy-chief-quits-wolves/
Hibbitt was King
14-11-2007, 11:55
I do
Why? So that they can punch more of our players and not get sent off? ;)
Why? So that they can punch more of our players and not get sent off? ;)
Essex Wolf
14-11-2007, 12:08
Shame he is going but can't blame the man for wanting to step up.
Powelly
14-11-2007, 12:11
Bit of a blow to the youth academy that he is leaving.. has played a vital role for the club over the years.Without him we probably wouldnt have signed Lescott, Keane, Murray etc when they were kids.
Its vital for the future that the right appointment is made as his successor, someone who shares a similar vision
Its vital for the future that the right appointment is made as his successor, someone who shares a similar vision
Essex Wolf
14-11-2007, 12:14
Bit of a blow to the youth academy that he is leaving.. has played a vital role for the club over the years.Without him we probably wouldnt have signed Lescott, Keane, Murray etc when they were kids.
Its vital for the future that the right appointment is made as his successor, someone who shares a similar vision
Too true and just maybe the replacement will be even better?
Its vital for the future that the right appointment is made as his successor, someone who shares a similar vision
Too true and just maybe the replacement will be even better?
The Bear
14-11-2007, 12:17
Just had this confirmed via club text unfortunately.
bod101
14-11-2007, 12:18
I find this disappointing to say the least.
Powelly
14-11-2007, 12:22
Anyone know If kyle Bennett or any of the other 16/17 year olds are signed up already??
If not dont be surprised to see our best prospects head up the m6 to Bolton's academy... especially given Evans' closed door policy on scouts that was in the press over the summer, shows how highly he rates the next crop.
If not dont be surprised to see our best prospects head up the m6 to Bolton's academy... especially given Evans' closed door policy on scouts that was in the press over the summer, shows how highly he rates the next crop.
Big Mack
14-11-2007, 12:25
That's the major worry for me too Powelly. He's spoken so highly of them that to lose any would be a real kick in the teeth.
Essex Wolf
14-11-2007, 12:25
It is disappointing bod but these things happen all the time in football and Evans has shown great loyalty so I wish him all the best even though it is Notlob.
Just hope the club find a replacement who may not only be able to carry on his work but maybe even improve upon it.
Just hope the club find a replacement who may not only be able to carry on his work but maybe even improve upon it.
Jamboon
14-11-2007, 12:26
Im not too concerned. There is a good network of scouts and coaches within the academy that have more influence on the upbringing of our players on a day to day basis than Evans does.
He has left us in a decent situation and the set-up that he has put in place should survive without him.
Best of luck to him
He has left us in a decent situation and the set-up that he has put in place should survive without him.
Best of luck to him
The Bear
14-11-2007, 12:27
Who's going to get the job now. Appoint from inside or get someone in?
Wulfhere
14-11-2007, 12:30
I think Mike Smith the ex Wales manager is part of the academy set up and would possibly be favourite to step up.
Jamboon
14-11-2007, 12:30
Graham Taylor
Woburn Wolf
14-11-2007, 12:32
I think Evans has done a good job and is a sad loss but we have to accept that these things happen in football.
Powelly
14-11-2007, 12:34
Who's going to get the job now. Appoint from inside or get someone in?
Difficult to judge i guess as Succesful youth acadmey coaches arent usually well known to the masses.
The appointment is just as important( if not more important) as if we had to appoint a new manager. There isnt a more important role than head of youth football IMO at any club. The production line of the likes of Crewe and Ipswich proves that.
Vital that Morgan and Moxey get this right for the long term future both on and off the pitch.. If we get it right again then we will save a fortune in transfer fees and worst case develop players who can be sold on if they dont cut it in our first team.
Difficult to judge i guess as Succesful youth acadmey coaches arent usually well known to the masses.
The appointment is just as important( if not more important) as if we had to appoint a new manager. There isnt a more important role than head of youth football IMO at any club. The production line of the likes of Crewe and Ipswich proves that.
Vital that Morgan and Moxey get this right for the long term future both on and off the pitch.. If we get it right again then we will save a fortune in transfer fees and worst case develop players who can be sold on if they dont cut it in our first team.
long ball man
14-11-2007, 12:45
Well what a bombshell!
This bloke bled gold and black and was totally committed to the club...or so it seemed. I find it strange that he should leave at a time when the first team manager is often quoted as wanting to 'build a young and hungry team', especially having served under other managers who have not had such a policy (e.g Dave Jones)
As a Wolves 'traditionalist' I really think the core of the team should be based on players we produce through the ranks so I really hope this doesn't signal the end of an era and a move to quick fixes. That having been said I have had a nagging thought for a while now about the progress of Gleeson, Davies, Little in particular, namely if they are good enough why has MM signed people like Gibson and Foley? Has CE fallen out with Mick?
The fact he is going to Bolton is also intriguing. Unlike most on here (and though i wouldn't cross the road to watch any of his teams) I think Megson is a really effective manager. He has next to no track record at WBA or other clubs of bringing in lots of youth players so presumably Bolton's hierarchy want to call time on the 'lets sign bags of foreigners' ethos.
This bloke bled gold and black and was totally committed to the club...or so it seemed. I find it strange that he should leave at a time when the first team manager is often quoted as wanting to 'build a young and hungry team', especially having served under other managers who have not had such a policy (e.g Dave Jones)
As a Wolves 'traditionalist' I really think the core of the team should be based on players we produce through the ranks so I really hope this doesn't signal the end of an era and a move to quick fixes. That having been said I have had a nagging thought for a while now about the progress of Gleeson, Davies, Little in particular, namely if they are good enough why has MM signed people like Gibson and Foley? Has CE fallen out with Mick?
The fact he is going to Bolton is also intriguing. Unlike most on here (and though i wouldn't cross the road to watch any of his teams) I think Megson is a really effective manager. He has next to no track record at WBA or other clubs of bringing in lots of youth players so presumably Bolton's hierarchy want to call time on the 'lets sign bags of foreigners' ethos.
Bend It Like Dennison
14-11-2007, 12:58
3 decent players in how many years?? Its hardly as if we were churning them out.
We'll be OK dont worry.
Good luck Chris.
We'll be OK dont worry.
Good luck Chris.
envillewolf
14-11-2007, 13:00
Sad day for the club and the youth set up. Chris Evans has served Wolves with honour.
Wolves thro. n thro. .....
Some great kids have come through the system - Keano and Lescott etc -and been looked after well in the process.
He's always supported first team managers and pushed hard for a top youth set. He always appeared to say the right things whenever I read his comments in the programme or elsewhere.
Jez and co need to follow this on through and appoint another setting the same example ....
Good luck Chris - not sure about Bolton and Meggie though!!
Wolves thro. n thro. .....
Some great kids have come through the system - Keano and Lescott etc -and been looked after well in the process.
He's always supported first team managers and pushed hard for a top youth set. He always appeared to say the right things whenever I read his comments in the programme or elsewhere.
Jez and co need to follow this on through and appoint another setting the same example ....
Good luck Chris - not sure about Bolton and Meggie though!!
ancient mariner
14-11-2007, 13:05
BILD wrote:
3 decent players in how many years?? Its hardly as if we were churning them out.
I think that is a bit small-minded, to be honest. Lescott, Keane and Murray are as good as any young players to have emerged over the last 10 years in English football. For one club, and a non-Premiership club at that, to have produced such high-standard players is a great compliment for the individual responsible. While there has been a bit of a drought more recently, we have Hennessey, Little, Gobern and Davies, who also look capable of making it at the top level, IMO. Evans' rhetoric has grated at times, but his record is nothing short of excellent.
3 decent players in how many years?? Its hardly as if we were churning them out.
I think that is a bit small-minded, to be honest. Lescott, Keane and Murray are as good as any young players to have emerged over the last 10 years in English football. For one club, and a non-Premiership club at that, to have produced such high-standard players is a great compliment for the individual responsible. While there has been a bit of a drought more recently, we have Hennessey, Little, Gobern and Davies, who also look capable of making it at the top level, IMO. Evans' rhetoric has grated at times, but his record is nothing short of excellent.
Moira Stewart
14-11-2007, 13:07
Will be a loss, and there are supposed to be many more to come on the production line including Fundangel Moke.
Bilston_Wolf
14-11-2007, 13:12
3 decent players in how many years?? Its hardly as if we were churning them out.
We'll be OK dont worry.
Good luck Chris.
What a pathetic statement, just out of interest BILD, which 3 are you on about?
We'll be OK dont worry.
Good luck Chris.
What a pathetic statement, just out of interest BILD, which 3 are you on about?
glasgowwolf
14-11-2007, 13:22
OK wat crap
Yes Chris was the manager yes he was an integral part of the academy.
HE WAS NOT THE REASON WE SIGNED LESCOTT, KEANE, MURRAY, HENNESEY......
The academy staff are the reason we signed these players.
The scouts found them
The coaches / Senior scouts decide who we keep.
The only time Chris Evans gets involved is deciding who we keep at age 16, and move to Full time.
We will be fine.
Yes Chris was the manager yes he was an integral part of the academy.
HE WAS NOT THE REASON WE SIGNED LESCOTT, KEANE, MURRAY, HENNESEY......
The academy staff are the reason we signed these players.
The scouts found them
The coaches / Senior scouts decide who we keep.
The only time Chris Evans gets involved is deciding who we keep at age 16, and move to Full time.
We will be fine.
Waggy's Boots
14-11-2007, 13:25
Good luck to the bloke - excellent servant for the club and you can't fault him for wanting to take a step up.
Lets hope we can find a good replacement quickly.
Lets hope we can find a good replacement quickly.
Kenny-11
14-11-2007, 13:29
HE WAS NOT THE REASON WE SIGNED LESCOTT, KEANE, MURRAY, HENNESEY......
The only time Chris Evans gets involved is deciding who we keep at age 16, and move to Full time.
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So he was the reason we signed them.........if he didn't like them we would have released them at 16
oh and he signed Hennessey. He was at Man City and then when they only offered him a 1 yr deal Wolves came in and dropped him in our academy
The only time Chris Evans gets involved is deciding who we keep at age 16, and move to Full time.
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So he was the reason we signed them.........if he didn't like them we would have released them at 16
oh and he signed Hennessey. He was at Man City and then when they only offered him a 1 yr deal Wolves came in and dropped him in our academy
brummywolf
14-11-2007, 13:36
Never realised he'd been at the club so long, from the sound of his comments, it sounds like he's leaving with a heavy heart. Good luck to him.
Bend It Like Dennison
14-11-2007, 13:47
What a pathetic statement, just out of interest BILD, which 3 are you on about?
Well seeing as you asked so nicely...
Keane, Lescott & Murray. (Soon to be Hennessey)
If you like I'll throw in Smith & Robinson & thats being very generous.
Please furnish me with all these other names I seem to have forgotten??
Well seeing as you asked so nicely...
Keane, Lescott & Murray. (Soon to be Hennessey)
If you like I'll throw in Smith & Robinson & thats being very generous.
Please furnish me with all these other names I seem to have forgotten??
Powelly
14-11-2007, 14:05
Well seeing as you asked so nicely...
Keane, Lescott & Murray. (Soon to be Hennessey)
If you like I'll throw in Smith & Robinson & thats being very generous.
Please furnish me with all these other names I seem to have forgotten??
Naylor for a start...
Clyde
Andrews
Proudlock
all decent players who things went wrong for through one reason or another when reaching first team level.
along with the current crop who are coming through..Davies, Gleeson, Gobern, Jones etc.. all comfortable at championship level.. the crop of youngsters who were probably signed in our academy at 8/9 in the first few years of Evans' tenure.
Proper youth development takes a decade to achieve..People bang on about Wenger only buying foreigners at Arsenal.. take a look at their team in the last round of the carling cup, all 16/17 year olds and most of them english.. he will have bought those kids into the academy system when he joined the club.. they now have the best production line in the world.
Anyone who thinks Chris Evans hasnt had a MASSIVE part in Wolves recent history is very naive, he will be a big loss to the club and equally difficult to replace. To have over 50 academy youngsters represent their countries in the last 10 years or so speaks volumes
Keane, Lescott & Murray. (Soon to be Hennessey)
If you like I'll throw in Smith & Robinson & thats being very generous.
Please furnish me with all these other names I seem to have forgotten??
Naylor for a start...
Clyde
Andrews
Proudlock
all decent players who things went wrong for through one reason or another when reaching first team level.
along with the current crop who are coming through..Davies, Gleeson, Gobern, Jones etc.. all comfortable at championship level.. the crop of youngsters who were probably signed in our academy at 8/9 in the first few years of Evans' tenure.
Proper youth development takes a decade to achieve..People bang on about Wenger only buying foreigners at Arsenal.. take a look at their team in the last round of the carling cup, all 16/17 year olds and most of them english.. he will have bought those kids into the academy system when he joined the club.. they now have the best production line in the world.
Anyone who thinks Chris Evans hasnt had a MASSIVE part in Wolves recent history is very naive, he will be a big loss to the club and equally difficult to replace. To have over 50 academy youngsters represent their countries in the last 10 years or so speaks volumes
haden-wolf
14-11-2007, 14:07
not sure if we missed a trick here anybody else wonder if he was overlooked in favour of connor when 'taff' took light duties?
Makes me think he might have fancied the job?
Still good luck to the fella - hope we are trying to tap up the guy at Ipswitch as we type
Makes me think he might have fancied the job?
Still good luck to the fella - hope we are trying to tap up the guy at Ipswitch as we type
stretzi wolf
14-11-2007, 14:23
OK wat crap
Yes Chris was the manager yes he was an integral part of the academy.
HE WAS NOT THE REASON WE SIGNED LESCOTT, KEANE, MURRAY, HENNESEY......
The academy staff are the reason we signed these players.
The scouts found them
The coaches / Senior scouts decide who we keep.
The only time Chris Evans gets involved is deciding who we keep at age 16, and move to Full time.
We will be fine.
Sorry but that statement is crap - Have you not heard the story of how Chris went round to Mr and Mrs Keane's house to convince them that Robbie should come to wolves as a youngster? How Robbie lived off potatoes and baked beans? I have from the man himself!!! I guess what I am trying to say is that your statement does Chris and all the work he has put in over the years a great disservice! If you had ever spent 5 minutes chatting to the bloke you would realise that.
Yes Chris was the manager yes he was an integral part of the academy.
HE WAS NOT THE REASON WE SIGNED LESCOTT, KEANE, MURRAY, HENNESEY......
The academy staff are the reason we signed these players.
The scouts found them
The coaches / Senior scouts decide who we keep.
The only time Chris Evans gets involved is deciding who we keep at age 16, and move to Full time.
We will be fine.
Sorry but that statement is crap - Have you not heard the story of how Chris went round to Mr and Mrs Keane's house to convince them that Robbie should come to wolves as a youngster? How Robbie lived off potatoes and baked beans? I have from the man himself!!! I guess what I am trying to say is that your statement does Chris and all the work he has put in over the years a great disservice! If you had ever spent 5 minutes chatting to the bloke you would realise that.
goldeneyed
14-11-2007, 14:56
A great servant to the club and we should wish him well. A pity he couldn't be accommodated somewhere else in our management structure as his immense experience with youth players is invaluable. Hope the club goes for someone really top notch to replace him. Having lost a reportedly brilliant fitness coach to Reading also hope this is not going to become a trend.
Phys Ed Wolf
14-11-2007, 15:12
Murray
Little, Lescott, Lowe, Naylor
Gobern, Davies, Robinson, Jones
Proudlock, Keane
subs
Hennessey,
L. Collins,
Gleeson,
O'Connor,
Clarke
Not a great team, but would probably survive at Championship level, unfortunately (but not surprisingly!) would struggle to stay fit.
Other squad members would include Tudor, Andrews, Clyde (though retired), Melligan, Bennett. All playing at a decent level.
Though I'm sure Chris Evans wasn't the be all and end all of the Youth System or Academy (what's in a name?), he was the 'leader' and if anybody on here works in a system that needs a leader, you'll know how important a good one is. Having a good Head master has made all the difference at the school I work at, I'm sure it can't be much different in any walk of life, so with that in mind it is important to bring in a good replacement, but at the same time, try and keep the rest of the working team together too.
Good Luck, bytheway!
Little, Lescott, Lowe, Naylor
Gobern, Davies, Robinson, Jones
Proudlock, Keane
subs
Hennessey,
L. Collins,
Gleeson,
O'Connor,
Clarke
Not a great team, but would probably survive at Championship level, unfortunately (but not surprisingly!) would struggle to stay fit.
Other squad members would include Tudor, Andrews, Clyde (though retired), Melligan, Bennett. All playing at a decent level.
Though I'm sure Chris Evans wasn't the be all and end all of the Youth System or Academy (what's in a name?), he was the 'leader' and if anybody on here works in a system that needs a leader, you'll know how important a good one is. Having a good Head master has made all the difference at the school I work at, I'm sure it can't be much different in any walk of life, so with that in mind it is important to bring in a good replacement, but at the same time, try and keep the rest of the working team together too.
Good Luck, bytheway!
QB Wolf
14-11-2007, 15:15
All the best CE, great servant, great loss but 17 years is a long time and no wonder you fancy a new challenge.
Just hope there is nothing more sinister to it!!
Just hope there is nothing more sinister to it!!
Bend It Like Dennison
14-11-2007, 15:24
I apologise, I forgot Naylor.
Those people throwing in the likes of Proudlock & Andrews, come on!!
Those people throwing in the likes of Proudlock & Andrews, come on!!
Wolv3nsam
14-11-2007, 15:30
Fair play Fielden you were right.
Shame to see such a loyal servant of Wolverhampton Wanderers Football Club leave, and a good servant who has produced some players of such a high quality.
The crop of first years are supposed to be our best for 10 years, let's hope they don't get hijacked.
Shame to see such a loyal servant of Wolverhampton Wanderers Football Club leave, and a good servant who has produced some players of such a high quality.
The crop of first years are supposed to be our best for 10 years, let's hope they don't get hijacked.
Wolv3nsam
14-11-2007, 15:42
Isn't Lee Collins supposed to be quite good as well?
He went on loan to Hereford today.
He went on loan to Hereford today.
Essex Wolf
14-11-2007, 15:43
Isn't Lee Collins supposed to be quite good as well?
He went on loan to Hereford today.
From what I gather yes as are others, Bennett at Crewe.
He went on loan to Hereford today.
From what I gather yes as are others, Bennett at Crewe.
Wolv3nsam
14-11-2007, 15:45
From what I gather yes as are others, Bennett at Crewe.
Both of the Bennett brothers are tipped for big things. Hemmings is good as well judging by his academy profile, Hemmings and Kyle Bennett are in the reserve squad this evening.
Both of the Bennett brothers are tipped for big things. Hemmings is good as well judging by his academy profile, Hemmings and Kyle Bennett are in the reserve squad this evening.
Wolv3nsam
14-11-2007, 15:50
Wolv3nsam, sounds promising.
My thoughts exactly, although I haven't seen these players perform first hand I've heard nothing but rave reviews and good things. It'd be a shame to lose them under whatever circumstance.
My thoughts exactly, although I haven't seen these players perform first hand I've heard nothing but rave reviews and good things. It'd be a shame to lose them under whatever circumstance.
Wolv3nsam
14-11-2007, 15:53
First the fitness coach and now the academy manager - who's next to go, Bobby Mimms?
glasgowwolf
14-11-2007, 15:59
So he was the reason we signed them.........if he didn't like them we would have released them at 16
oh and he signed Hennessey. He was at Man City and then when they only offered him a 1 yr deal Wolves came in and dropped him in our academy
No kenny
Chris sits with the 1st team Manager, with John Perkins, Tony Lacey, and Bob Bennet.
They then discuss all players, those they will offer YTS forms to, and those they will release.
Wayne Hennesey would have been seen and identified by the scouts, no doubt Chris would have seen him as well.
But by saying Chris is the reson we have had success, reduces the value to the academy of all the other equally important members of staff.
oh and he signed Hennessey. He was at Man City and then when they only offered him a 1 yr deal Wolves came in and dropped him in our academy
No kenny
Chris sits with the 1st team Manager, with John Perkins, Tony Lacey, and Bob Bennet.
They then discuss all players, those they will offer YTS forms to, and those they will release.
Wayne Hennesey would have been seen and identified by the scouts, no doubt Chris would have seen him as well.
But by saying Chris is the reson we have had success, reduces the value to the academy of all the other equally important members of staff.
danhlibertine
14-11-2007, 16:04
3 decent players in how many years?? Its hardly as if we were churning them out.
We'll be OK dont worry.
Good luck Chris.
What about the ones who didn't quite work out in our first team that we made money from selling on?
What about the likes of Jason Roberts who it didn't work out for at Wolves but has gone on to play in the Premiership. What about Jermaine Easter and Ryan Green with whom it didn't work out for in our first team but have been capped several times each at international level? Does that not count as success just because they didn't measure up to Keano or Lescott?
We'll be OK dont worry.
Good luck Chris.
What about the ones who didn't quite work out in our first team that we made money from selling on?
What about the likes of Jason Roberts who it didn't work out for at Wolves but has gone on to play in the Premiership. What about Jermaine Easter and Ryan Green with whom it didn't work out for in our first team but have been capped several times each at international level? Does that not count as success just because they didn't measure up to Keano or Lescott?
glasgowwolf
14-11-2007, 16:06
Sorry but that statement is crap - Have you not heard the story of how Chris went round to Mr and Mrs Keane's house to convince them that Robbie should come to wolves as a youngster? How Robbie lived off potatoes and baked beans? I have from the man himself!!! I guess what I am trying to say is that your statement does Chris and all the work he has put in over the years a great disservice! If you had ever spent 5 minutes chatting to the bloke you would realise that.
I have many many times spoken to Chris.
Chris is a member of a team.
Keane was spotted playing in Ireland by our then Irish Scout.
He was bought over to England with a host of other players as is normal.
They then play in games spend a few days with each club (prior to leaving school).
Then the Players who are wanted / Identified as being good enough, are spoken to by scouts / Academy staff.
Yes Chris will speak to players and parents, so will Bob, and Tony.
IT IS A TEAM THING.
I have many many times spoken to Chris.
Chris is a member of a team.
Keane was spotted playing in Ireland by our then Irish Scout.
He was bought over to England with a host of other players as is normal.
They then play in games spend a few days with each club (prior to leaving school).
Then the Players who are wanted / Identified as being good enough, are spoken to by scouts / Academy staff.
Yes Chris will speak to players and parents, so will Bob, and Tony.
IT IS A TEAM THING.
fielden05
14-11-2007, 16:08
Seems my source wasn't that bad after all! :D
Might get some more from him!
Might get some more from him!
Powelly
14-11-2007, 16:09
Mark Jones.
Went to school with him and played in the same team... New Invention Junior school
Went to school with him and played in the same team... New Invention Junior school
glasgowwolf
14-11-2007, 16:14
Went to school with him and played in the same team... New Invention Junior school
Powelly, I went to New Invention Junior, lived on the Broadway estate, went to Pool Hayes....
I was in the first class to move from the Old Infant school into the New junior school, that was buils on half of the School playing fields.
left New Invention about 1975.....
Powelly, I went to New Invention Junior, lived on the Broadway estate, went to Pool Hayes....
I was in the first class to move from the Old Infant school into the New junior school, that was buils on half of the School playing fields.
left New Invention about 1975.....
Waggy's Boots
14-11-2007, 16:15
take a look at his statement on the club website - gold and black through his veins - http://www.wolves.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/0,,10307~1167802,00.html
he is one of us - stop knocking him!!
he is one of us - stop knocking him!!
danhlibertine
14-11-2007, 16:17
A bit unfair to put all the blame on Evans for him not making the grade.. remember it was Mcghee and Lee in charge at the time when he was making the breakthrough, and also broke through at the same time as Keane which didnt help his cause.
Exactly...We haven't exactly had a lot of managers putting a lot of faith in the youngsters in recent years, namely Mr D.Jones. Who knows what might have come of some of them.
I seem to recall Graham Taylor was the one manager that supposedly put in a lot of work behind the scenes with the youth system, with Rob Kelly working in the background.
But as for Evans, nobody can deny him a share of the credit. If the first team is successful then the manager gets most of the credit, not the scouts and the other coaches.
Exactly...We haven't exactly had a lot of managers putting a lot of faith in the youngsters in recent years, namely Mr D.Jones. Who knows what might have come of some of them.
I seem to recall Graham Taylor was the one manager that supposedly put in a lot of work behind the scenes with the youth system, with Rob Kelly working in the background.
But as for Evans, nobody can deny him a share of the credit. If the first team is successful then the manager gets most of the credit, not the scouts and the other coaches.
glasgowwolf
14-11-2007, 16:18
take a look at his statement on the club website - gold and black through his veins - http://www.wolves.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/0,,10307~1167802,00.html
he is one of us - stop knocking him!!
I am not knocking him, I am just saying he is part of a team. And to say it is all him, takes away the achievements of all the other academy staff
he is one of us - stop knocking him!!
I am not knocking him, I am just saying he is part of a team. And to say it is all him, takes away the achievements of all the other academy staff
Bend It Like Dennison
14-11-2007, 17:25
What about the ones who didn't quite work out in our first team that we made money from selling on?
What about the likes of Jason Roberts who it didn't work out for at Wolves but has gone on to play in the Premiership. What about Jermaine Easter and Ryan Green with whom it didn't work out for in our first team but have been capped several times each at international level? Does that not count as success just because they didn't measure up to Keano or Lescott?
For the record, we signed Jason Roberts from Hastings IIRC.
As for the others & this is no disrespect to them or Chris, I couldnt give a flying **** if they're doing a job for someone else. If they didnt play anymore than 20 first team games for us then in my eyes, they failed.
Like Glasgow says, there are a 101 people working behind the scenes in the youth set up, to give Chris all the credit for Keane, Lescott & Murray is simply ridiculous.
What about the likes of Jason Roberts who it didn't work out for at Wolves but has gone on to play in the Premiership. What about Jermaine Easter and Ryan Green with whom it didn't work out for in our first team but have been capped several times each at international level? Does that not count as success just because they didn't measure up to Keano or Lescott?
For the record, we signed Jason Roberts from Hastings IIRC.
As for the others & this is no disrespect to them or Chris, I couldnt give a flying **** if they're doing a job for someone else. If they didnt play anymore than 20 first team games for us then in my eyes, they failed.
Like Glasgow says, there are a 101 people working behind the scenes in the youth set up, to give Chris all the credit for Keane, Lescott & Murray is simply ridiculous.
Papper
14-11-2007, 18:39
Vital that Morgan and Moxey get this right for the long term future both on and off the pitch..
Wasn't this the idea when Taylor recognised the importance of the academy all those years ago. Since then we have had one promotion and a handful of players capable of premiership football. Do the Villa get them all?
If somebody did their homework and compared us to other similar teams i would say it hasn't actually been the success we would have hoped for, netherless i would also like to wish Chris Evans all the best, obviously a man with passion for the game, especially Wolves.
Wasn't this the idea when Taylor recognised the importance of the academy all those years ago. Since then we have had one promotion and a handful of players capable of premiership football. Do the Villa get them all?
If somebody did their homework and compared us to other similar teams i would say it hasn't actually been the success we would have hoped for, netherless i would also like to wish Chris Evans all the best, obviously a man with passion for the game, especially Wolves.
Boss Hogg
14-11-2007, 18:48
Sad to see him go, he's been a beacon of consistency for the last nearly 20 years. I fear he's making a big mistake moving into the more cut throat world of senior management, but I wish him luck.
For his replacement I would go for someone like Rob Kelly or Peter Taylor (maybe too late now), or maybe go for a figurehead with Wolves links - such as Graham Taylor or Kenny Hibbitt.
Steve McClaren should be available next week as well.;)
For his replacement I would go for someone like Rob Kelly or Peter Taylor (maybe too late now), or maybe go for a figurehead with Wolves links - such as Graham Taylor or Kenny Hibbitt.
Steve McClaren should be available next week as well.;)
wallace
14-11-2007, 19:53
sorry to see him go but wish him well at bolton. he will find it different in a high profile job with what is often a short term prospect. he has always come across as a level headed character and he will need to be to deal with the pressures when dealing with international players. also does his football beliefs fit in with the ginger one, lump it, kick everything and spoil with 8 defenders at all times as a minimum.
Salop Wolf
14-11-2007, 20:04
Actually Chris Evans WAS the reason we signed Robbie Keane. He went to his parents house in Ireland and suitably impressed Keane's parents with his promise to take Robbie under his wing. A job which he did extremely well by all accounts (Keane lived with him to start with) and probably why Keane has such an affection with the club.
Anyway, it is a big loss to the club as Evans was doing a fantastic job. It is a sad day, it must be something to do with the takeover because as shrewsburywolf said, he seemed likely to stay 'forever'. He never seemed to speak of his desire to work with senior players before.
The worry now is that the group of lads he has described as the best we've ever had find their way up to Bolton.
Anyway, it is a big loss to the club as Evans was doing a fantastic job. It is a sad day, it must be something to do with the takeover because as shrewsburywolf said, he seemed likely to stay 'forever'. He never seemed to speak of his desire to work with senior players before.
The worry now is that the group of lads he has described as the best we've ever had find their way up to Bolton.
Papper
14-11-2007, 20:41
The worry now is that the group of lads he has described as the best we've ever had find their way up to Bolton.
Three decent players in however many years suggests they might have a long wait.
Three decent players in however many years suggests they might have a long wait.
Mutchy
14-11-2007, 20:51
Anyway, it is a big loss to the club as Evans was doing a fantastic job. It is a sad day, it must be something to do with the takeover because as shrewsburywolf said, he seemed likely to stay 'forever'. He never seemed to speak of his desire to work with senior players before.
Perhaps not publically, but he definitely had managerial ambitions.
Perhaps not publically, but he definitely had managerial ambitions.
wolvesinwales
14-11-2007, 21:22
I apologise, I forgot Naylor.
Those people throwing in the likes of Proudlock & Andrews, come on!!
Someone mentioned players like Ryan Green who moved onto better things, he was showing his fake tan off at Hereford the last i heard of him.
Those people throwing in the likes of Proudlock & Andrews, come on!!
Someone mentioned players like Ryan Green who moved onto better things, he was showing his fake tan off at Hereford the last i heard of him.
Florida Wolfey
14-11-2007, 23:26
Bit dumbstruck by this but I suppose all good things come to an end eventually. Good luck to Chris in his new job...probably won't last too long with Megson in charge there.... let's hope his successor lives up to the task that Chris filled so well. You never know, he maybe back again one day...with even more experience.... sometimes its good to have a new challenge.
Thanks for the work you have done Chris. We respect what you have done for the club and what you achieved in making our academy one of the best in the country.
Thanks for the work you have done Chris. We respect what you have done for the club and what you achieved in making our academy one of the best in the country.
Oldgold Wolfcub
14-11-2007, 23:52
None of us really know how good Chris Evans was but for sure there must be one of two scenarios as to his role. Either he was that good that he kept finding talented youngsters but our coaching staff and management were not good enough to take them on to the next level or his achievements in the Academy were overated. Now if it was the first then Morgan should have been aware of his talents and ambition to move into working with senior players. The ideal time came when Ian Evans left his post as assistant to promote Chris Evans to that role. If the club did not rate Chris Evans over Terry Connor then that says it all.
However if we look at Chris Turner then he was supposed to have done a good job with youngsters but looks as if he has disappeared from the managerial merry go round without much success.
However if we look at Chris Turner then he was supposed to have done a good job with youngsters but looks as if he has disappeared from the managerial merry go round without much success.
stretzi wolf
15-11-2007, 09:48
I have many many times spoken to Chris.
Chris is a member of a team.
Keane was spotted playing in Ireland by our then Irish Scout.
He was bought over to England with a host of other players as is normal.
They then play in games spend a few days with each club (prior to leaving school).
Then the Players who are wanted / Identified as being good enough, are spoken to by scouts / Academy staff.
Yes Chris will speak to players and parents, so will Bob, and Tony.
IT IS A TEAM THING.
Thanks for the education but I was just trying to point out that saying 'The only time Chris Evans gets involved is deciding who we keep at age 16, and move to Full time.' was rubbish.
Chris is a member of a team.
Keane was spotted playing in Ireland by our then Irish Scout.
He was bought over to England with a host of other players as is normal.
They then play in games spend a few days with each club (prior to leaving school).
Then the Players who are wanted / Identified as being good enough, are spoken to by scouts / Academy staff.
Yes Chris will speak to players and parents, so will Bob, and Tony.
IT IS A TEAM THING.
Thanks for the education but I was just trying to point out that saying 'The only time Chris Evans gets involved is deciding who we keep at age 16, and move to Full time.' was rubbish.
EddieClamp-tops
15-11-2007, 10:12
Someone mentioned players like Ryan Green who moved onto better things, he was showing his fake tan off at Hereford the last i heard of him.
Turned down a new contract in the summer and went somewhere like Bristol I believe - not sure which one though, although it must be Rovers or we would have seen/heard of him this season in the Championship with City.
Turned down a new contract in the summer and went somewhere like Bristol I believe - not sure which one though, although it must be Rovers or we would have seen/heard of him this season in the Championship with City.
Dr Wolfenstein
15-11-2007, 12:03
I'm sorry but just quoting the same 3 or 4 successful names from the last 10 years does nothing to convince me that the Academy is anything more than an unecessary drain on our resources, with very little guarantee of producing futures stars & for a Championship club such as ourselves is just a pretentious status symbol harking back to past glories & ignoring current realities.
If we unearth exceptional or potentially great players we no longer have the clout to keep them long-term, so we're just spending money nurturing them for someone else's benefit.
By the way MM scouts the lowers leagues & former old players of his, by the way he loans out such as Gleeson & Jones longterm sink-or-swim fashion without clearly including them in his future plans, then I think he has similar reservations about the efficacy of the set-up & is just juggling the names he has on the books to try & keep them as happy as he can, before they are forced to look elsewhere permanently.
If we unearth exceptional or potentially great players we no longer have the clout to keep them long-term, so we're just spending money nurturing them for someone else's benefit.
By the way MM scouts the lowers leagues & former old players of his, by the way he loans out such as Gleeson & Jones longterm sink-or-swim fashion without clearly including them in his future plans, then I think he has similar reservations about the efficacy of the set-up & is just juggling the names he has on the books to try & keep them as happy as he can, before they are forced to look elsewhere permanently.
loopy lupine
15-11-2007, 12:32
I'm sorry but just quoting the same 3 or 4 successful names from the last 10 years does nothing to convince me that the Academy is anything more than an unecessary drain on our resources,
I know there's a cost involved (wages, training resources etc.) in sourcing these players, but 2 out of the chosen 4 have brought in £11m in transfer fee's alone (should've been more had John Richards built in a sell on fee for Keane!).
I'm sure I read somewhere that the acadamy costs around £1m a year to run, therefore If you apply a straight costs against transfer fee (yes, I know it's not that simple) then the acadamy pays for itself and therefore is not a drain.
I know there's a cost involved (wages, training resources etc.) in sourcing these players, but 2 out of the chosen 4 have brought in £11m in transfer fee's alone (should've been more had John Richards built in a sell on fee for Keane!).
I'm sure I read somewhere that the acadamy costs around £1m a year to run, therefore If you apply a straight costs against transfer fee (yes, I know it's not that simple) then the acadamy pays for itself and therefore is not a drain.
Hibbitt was King
15-11-2007, 12:35
Three decent players in however many years suggests they might have a long wait.
Plus Carl Robinson at least if you consider he played in the Sunderland and Portsmouth teams that won this division.
Plus Carl Robinson at least if you consider he played in the Sunderland and Portsmouth teams that won this division.
Papper
15-11-2007, 17:23
Plus Carl Robinson at least if you consider he played in the Sunderland and Portsmouth teams that won this division.
And that was his level. We've never had a home grown spine of a team capable of surviving in the Premiership. An Academy is essential in selling the Wolves brand and IMO cheap to operate if you are going to get a 'decent' player every five years or so, but please let's not hail it as something that has actually contributed to the ultimate goal of Premiership football. The scouting system is far more important and an ability to spot other academy cast off's (Kightly) therefore players in their early twenties.
And that was his level. We've never had a home grown spine of a team capable of surviving in the Premiership. An Academy is essential in selling the Wolves brand and IMO cheap to operate if you are going to get a 'decent' player every five years or so, but please let's not hail it as something that has actually contributed to the ultimate goal of Premiership football. The scouting system is far more important and an ability to spot other academy cast off's (Kightly) therefore players in their early twenties.
saturday boy
16-11-2007, 00:50
Under Chris our academy has produced three players that have played in the Premiership, importantly only one of them in a Wolves shirt, and lets face it he didn't exactly shine.
How did you come to the conclusion that our academy is one of the best in the country? Can you back it up with statistics regarding other clubs academies?
It has been reported that Chris Evans was at Wolves for 17 years. Matt Murray, Lescott and Lee Naylor all played in the Premiership. Gavin Mahon played for Watford in the Premiership. Robbie Keane has played there. That's 5. Carl Robinson has played in the Premiership. 6.
How did you come to the conclusion that our academy is one of the best in the country? Can you back it up with statistics regarding other clubs academies?
It has been reported that Chris Evans was at Wolves for 17 years. Matt Murray, Lescott and Lee Naylor all played in the Premiership. Gavin Mahon played for Watford in the Premiership. Robbie Keane has played there. That's 5. Carl Robinson has played in the Premiership. 6.
Mutchy
16-11-2007, 08:15
If you're looking at the effectiveness of the academy, you also have to include homegrown players who have moved on for a fee, not just those who have played in the Premier League.
Bend It Like Dennison
16-11-2007, 08:29
If you're looking at the effectiveness of the academy, you also have to include homegrown players who have moved on for a fee, not just those who have played in the Premier League.
And those would be who??
Leon Clarke?? Jermaine Easter?? Keith Andrews?? Chris Westwood?? Combined fee of what?? £73?? ;)
And those would be who??
Leon Clarke?? Jermaine Easter?? Keith Andrews?? Chris Westwood?? Combined fee of what?? £73?? ;)
Chiswick_Wolf
16-11-2007, 08:58
The problem is the "now, now, now...more, more, more" mentality in football nowadays. If you are a comfortably mid table side in an league and don't harbour any real ambitions to get promoted, and are unlikely to get relegated - I think you are more likely to a gamble on blooding younger players. When there is too much pressure on to succeed managers are more inclined to go with older, more experienced players.
Mugwump
16-11-2007, 09:39
You forgot mark clyde, he played in the prem, so did jamie smith.
Bend It Like Dennison
16-11-2007, 09:53
Poor Mark Clyde.
Him, Okoronko, Butler & Naylor were quality in our last few Prem games.
Him, Okoronko, Butler & Naylor were quality in our last few Prem games.
John
16-11-2007, 11:23
Surely the only measure of success of the academy system is how many players get signed full time compared to how many children are taken in at that age group and compare that to all other academies.
Surely Proudlock is as much a success story for the academy as Lescott?
Once they have become pro's it's out of the academies hands whether they make the best of the opportunities offered to them.
Surely Proudlock is as much a success story for the academy as Lescott?
Once they have become pro's it's out of the academies hands whether they make the best of the opportunities offered to them.
Aylesbury Wolf
16-11-2007, 11:39
Sorry folks but I think many of you are completely missing the point.
On countless occasions we have in the past, and indeed have now, youngsters that have come through the academy showing a lot of potential and I believe have been developed by the academy who should take the credit.
Then they join the senior players at the club and this is where the system has failed.
The jump is an enormous one and I suspect that many of those players who showed early promise have simply drifted because they have not had the necessary quality coaching/leadership required to help them make that next step up from youth player/first season pro. to established pro.
The exceptions to the above are obviously Lescott, Murray and Keane but be fair, we have had a fair few players who when they first appeared on the scene, many though would have a bright future with the club.
Mark Davies has got to be a perfect example amongst others.....
On countless occasions we have in the past, and indeed have now, youngsters that have come through the academy showing a lot of potential and I believe have been developed by the academy who should take the credit.
Then they join the senior players at the club and this is where the system has failed.
The jump is an enormous one and I suspect that many of those players who showed early promise have simply drifted because they have not had the necessary quality coaching/leadership required to help them make that next step up from youth player/first season pro. to established pro.
The exceptions to the above are obviously Lescott, Murray and Keane but be fair, we have had a fair few players who when they first appeared on the scene, many though would have a bright future with the club.
Mark Davies has got to be a perfect example amongst others.....
Papper
16-11-2007, 12:19
The jump is an enormous one and I suspect that many of those players who showed early promise have simply drifted because they have not had the necessary quality coaching/leadership required to help them make that next step up from youth player/first season pro. to established pro.
Many players who show early promise get taken over by players that show late promise as they mature. You could tell within a handful of games that Robbie Keane, Murray and Lescott were Premiership standard, same with Hennessey, although i thought Lescott was awful his last season with us. I'm not sure you can point the finger at the senior level for not taking them further, if a player isn't good enough or there are better players they move on and 'if they've got it' prove it elsewhere. Good players dont suddenly become bad, maybe sixteen is far too early to make judgement.
Many players who show early promise get taken over by players that show late promise as they mature. You could tell within a handful of games that Robbie Keane, Murray and Lescott were Premiership standard, same with Hennessey, although i thought Lescott was awful his last season with us. I'm not sure you can point the finger at the senior level for not taking them further, if a player isn't good enough or there are better players they move on and 'if they've got it' prove it elsewhere. Good players dont suddenly become bad, maybe sixteen is far too early to make judgement.
Florida Wolfey
16-11-2007, 12:26
Under Chris our academy has produced three players that have played in the Premiership, importantly only one of them in a Wolves shirt, and lets face it he didn't exactly shine.
How did you come to the conclusion that our academy is one of the best in the country? Can you back it up with statistics regarding other clubs academies?
Just off the top of my head I know Southamptons academy has been far more successful than ours. Then there's West Ham, and the list goes on.
You can't simply base it on how many players play in the Premiership to judge whether the academy is successful. You have to look at things from a wider perspective IMO. If you look at the official web site you will see that around 30 youngsters have played in the first team over the years and whilst some have gone onto great success others haven't. It's football and there is a nutrition rate.
The academy has produced revenue for the club in the form of high and low profile players who have moved on commanding transfer fees.
The academy has produced many international players at varying levels. Some of these players, eg., Keane, Lescott, Robinson, have gone on to gain full international honours.
Above all of this however, is the fact that our academy is an important feature that attracts youngsters to the club and that in itself is self serving. Just finding one or two players every 2-3 years saves the club paying out in transfer fees and attracting youngsters is vital to the club in terms of how it serves the community. And you really can't put a price on that.
Further evidence that the academy is highly rated is how clubs like MUFC try to poach our kids. This says something about the quality of the youngsters and the education given to them.
So, as usual, we find the same people looking for the negatives about our club rather than the positive. How typical.
How did you come to the conclusion that our academy is one of the best in the country? Can you back it up with statistics regarding other clubs academies?
Just off the top of my head I know Southamptons academy has been far more successful than ours. Then there's West Ham, and the list goes on.
You can't simply base it on how many players play in the Premiership to judge whether the academy is successful. You have to look at things from a wider perspective IMO. If you look at the official web site you will see that around 30 youngsters have played in the first team over the years and whilst some have gone onto great success others haven't. It's football and there is a nutrition rate.
The academy has produced revenue for the club in the form of high and low profile players who have moved on commanding transfer fees.
The academy has produced many international players at varying levels. Some of these players, eg., Keane, Lescott, Robinson, have gone on to gain full international honours.
Above all of this however, is the fact that our academy is an important feature that attracts youngsters to the club and that in itself is self serving. Just finding one or two players every 2-3 years saves the club paying out in transfer fees and attracting youngsters is vital to the club in terms of how it serves the community. And you really can't put a price on that.
Further evidence that the academy is highly rated is how clubs like MUFC try to poach our kids. This says something about the quality of the youngsters and the education given to them.
So, as usual, we find the same people looking for the negatives about our club rather than the positive. How typical.
Florida Wolfey
16-11-2007, 12:37
Sorry folks but I think many of you are completely missing the point.
On countless occasions we have in the past, and indeed have now, youngsters that have come through the academy showing a lot of potential and I believe have been developed by the academy who should take the credit.
Then they join the senior players at the club and this is where the system has failed.
The jump is an enormous one and I suspect that many of those players who showed early promise have simply drifted because they have not had the necessary quality coaching/leadership required to help them make that next step up from youth player/first season pro. to established pro.
The exceptions to the above are obviously Lescott, Murray and Keane but be fair, we have had a fair few players who when they first appeared on the scene, many though would have a bright future with the club.
Mark Davies has got to be a perfect example amongst others.....
Aylesbury,
There are many reasons some youngsters don't make it but I think it's a little unfair to blame this completely on the coaching / leadership at a higher level. Unfortunately football is a cut throat business and managers will pick players based on performances delivered rather than potential.
Sometimes the player can graduate from the academy and look like the star of tomorrow but then he goes backwards. This can be for several reasons but mostly I think it comes down to two; they simply don't have the heart to do what is necessary to become better or they have a problem mentally.
The example of Davies is an interesting one. Here is a lad with a lot of talent, who is recognised nationally as being a good player and who has won acclaim at the lower international levels. He has stagnated in his development and you have to ask why? Does the guy genuinely want to play at the highest level? To me the answer is no. He should be rattling MM's cage, proving to him he's worthy of a place above any other and really getting down to the business of learning his trade at a higher level.
The club can only do so much and then it comes down to the player. It is normal in football to see promising talents evaporate into obscurity as they really don't have the maturity to deal with what is happening to them when they start to show some promise. It's a shame but that's the way football is ... the only thing I'd question is how much time is spent developing them on an intellectual level.
On countless occasions we have in the past, and indeed have now, youngsters that have come through the academy showing a lot of potential and I believe have been developed by the academy who should take the credit.
Then they join the senior players at the club and this is where the system has failed.
The jump is an enormous one and I suspect that many of those players who showed early promise have simply drifted because they have not had the necessary quality coaching/leadership required to help them make that next step up from youth player/first season pro. to established pro.
The exceptions to the above are obviously Lescott, Murray and Keane but be fair, we have had a fair few players who when they first appeared on the scene, many though would have a bright future with the club.
Mark Davies has got to be a perfect example amongst others.....
Aylesbury,
There are many reasons some youngsters don't make it but I think it's a little unfair to blame this completely on the coaching / leadership at a higher level. Unfortunately football is a cut throat business and managers will pick players based on performances delivered rather than potential.
Sometimes the player can graduate from the academy and look like the star of tomorrow but then he goes backwards. This can be for several reasons but mostly I think it comes down to two; they simply don't have the heart to do what is necessary to become better or they have a problem mentally.
The example of Davies is an interesting one. Here is a lad with a lot of talent, who is recognised nationally as being a good player and who has won acclaim at the lower international levels. He has stagnated in his development and you have to ask why? Does the guy genuinely want to play at the highest level? To me the answer is no. He should be rattling MM's cage, proving to him he's worthy of a place above any other and really getting down to the business of learning his trade at a higher level.
The club can only do so much and then it comes down to the player. It is normal in football to see promising talents evaporate into obscurity as they really don't have the maturity to deal with what is happening to them when they start to show some promise. It's a shame but that's the way football is ... the only thing I'd question is how much time is spent developing them on an intellectual level.
Aylesbury Wolf
16-11-2007, 13:42
Florida - I don't blame it entirely on the senior coaching staff, my point was that the Academy has done well for Wolves and that they are not entirely responsible for producing only a handful of Premiership stars.
Florida Wolfey
16-11-2007, 15:06
Florida - I don't blame it entirely on the senior coaching staff, my point was that the Academy has done well for Wolves and that they are not entirely responsible for producing only a handful of Premiership stars.
Yes, I know I was just adding to the discussion by way of addressing problems the actual player faces.
Yes, I know I was just adding to the discussion by way of addressing problems the actual player faces.
Oldgold Wolfcub
16-11-2007, 15:56
Further evidence that the academy is highly rated is how clubs like MUFC try to poach our kids. This says something about the quality of the youngsters and the education given to them.
Nardiello and Taylor put a nice twist to this argument.
Nardiello and Taylor put a nice twist to this argument.
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