Kenny-11
13-11-2007, 12:05
Cardiff call a Press Conference for 2pm today. Expected to announce that Dave Jones has been sacked
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Jackfoxy
13-11-2007, 12:10
Not surprising. If I was DJ I'd be relieved. Their financial problems are going to catch them up very soon.
Florida Wolfey
13-11-2007, 12:14
Not surprising at all. He's repeated exactly the same mistakes he made at Wolves.
glasgowwolf
13-11-2007, 12:16
I feel sorry for him.
Did well here for 2 seasons, could have done better in th eprem but so could the players.
Did well here for 2 seasons, could have done better in th eprem but so could the players.
Oxford_Wolf
13-11-2007, 12:25
As is normally the case Hoddle and Lee the exceptions, Wolves always get rid of their managers too soon. Good luck to Dave Jones, the only manager to take Wolves to the Premireship.
Moira Stewart
13-11-2007, 12:31
He seems to make a bright start wherever he goes which lasts a couple of seasons and then the malaise sets in.
Bend It Like Dennison
13-11-2007, 12:32
As is normally the case Hoddle and Lee the exceptions, Wolves always get rid of their managers too soon. Good luck to Dave Jones, the only manager to take Wolves to the Premireship.
Cat enters a gathering of pigeons...
Cat enters a gathering of pigeons...
Adrian_Monk
13-11-2007, 12:37
cardiff are right to give the clueless inept one the boot, just as we were. Relegation loomed for us and unless they get someone in now they run the risk of the same predicament.
Nashie
13-11-2007, 12:42
I feel sorry for him because I do like Dave Jones and I like the positive attacking way he tries to get his teams to play. But instead of learning from his short term thinking at Wolves, he's gone out this season and bought in 'oven-ready' players as he would say. He's spent a lot of money on wages for the likes of Sinclair, Fowler and Hasselbaink and has nothing to show for it. He should have built a young side with players like Jerome and Chopra.
I wish him all the best and I hope he uses his time out of the game to reflect on the mistakes he made here and now at Cardiff.
I wish him all the best and I hope he uses his time out of the game to reflect on the mistakes he made here and now at Cardiff.
Woburn Wolf
13-11-2007, 12:43
He seems to make a bright start wherever he goes which lasts a couple of seasons and then the malaise sets in.
Not that unlike our current manager
Not that unlike our current manager
Del Woppio
13-11-2007, 12:49
Why not just have a sig? It'll save you from typing the same negative bile time after time...
OCD Wolf
13-11-2007, 12:53
Good luck to him, but I can't see him popping up anywhere soon. He is a 'mid 90's' manager, where a few quid spent on mercenaries could get you some success.
The game has changed, clubs need to be built up over many years, in order to achieve anything persistent and sustainable. Can Jones do this? I think not - he'll always take the 'buy big names, get lucky' approach.
I'm sure Cardiff would love to get the money back he has wasted to build up a football club, rather than line the pockets of last pay-day mercenaries (sound familiar??)
Jones is an anachronism, the likes of him and his short-termism, are now all but extinct in the modern game.
The game has changed, clubs need to be built up over many years, in order to achieve anything persistent and sustainable. Can Jones do this? I think not - he'll always take the 'buy big names, get lucky' approach.
I'm sure Cardiff would love to get the money back he has wasted to build up a football club, rather than line the pockets of last pay-day mercenaries (sound familiar??)
Jones is an anachronism, the likes of him and his short-termism, are now all but extinct in the modern game.
Mutchy
13-11-2007, 12:58
Not that unlike our current manager
Have you ever liked anyone in a managerial or exec role at the club?
Have you ever liked anyone in a managerial or exec role at the club?
Simmowolf
13-11-2007, 12:58
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44235000/jpg/_44235498_jones07_gett_203.jpg
Cardiff Wolf
13-11-2007, 13:16
Not that unlike our current manager
Well actually totally the opposite to our current manager who is trying to build a squad for the long term as compared to Jones' short term overpaid overhyped buys.
Well actually totally the opposite to our current manager who is trying to build a squad for the long term as compared to Jones' short term overpaid overhyped buys.
MK Panther
13-11-2007, 13:18
I like Dave a honest to goodness dinosaur who would have been a successful manager in the 1940's. It was a dreadful mistake repeated by Johnson? at Bristol city to start appearing on the TV before the job was done. Anyone had thought he had won the premiership not gone 10 points clear or whatever at the time. Cannot see him staying at Cardiff.
Paul76
13-11-2007, 13:21
Jones couldn't help it at Cardiff they've sold all there young talent and replaced it with old tired legs.
He bought Cardiff a long way very quickly but then saw his best players sold.
Still if you were to put MM in his position he would have signed better players than Fowler, Hasslebank and Sinclair.
All good players in there day but they're all filthy rich and I can't imagine they've much hunger to playing the likes of QPR and Colchester.
He bought Cardiff a long way very quickly but then saw his best players sold.
Still if you were to put MM in his position he would have signed better players than Fowler, Hasslebank and Sinclair.
All good players in there day but they're all filthy rich and I can't imagine they've much hunger to playing the likes of QPR and Colchester.
Mr Wolf
13-11-2007, 13:36
There's not alot of good managers availiable at the moment though. So thats now Leicester, Burnley and now Cardiff all looking for the right man.
Paul76
13-11-2007, 13:38
There's not alot of good managers availiable at the moment though. So thats now Leicester, Burnley and now Cardiff all looking for the right man.
Stupid time to sack the manger in my opinion.
Stupid time to sack the manger in my opinion.
Super Hans
13-11-2007, 13:55
I thought it was a terrible mistake to sack Dave Jones, and for 18 months I was right. But I wouldn't want to swap the way the club was run then to the way the club is run now under Super Mick.
And for those saying Jones only wants to build short term teams, I can remember him offering Sir Jack to options when he joined, a five year plan based on youth or a two-year plan based on Blake, Kennedy, Ince & Irwin, Sir Jack chose the latter, and all in all Jones provided. We were up within two and a half-seasons, but that was our downfall and not entirely Jones' fault!
And for those saying Jones only wants to build short term teams, I can remember him offering Sir Jack to options when he joined, a five year plan based on youth or a two-year plan based on Blake, Kennedy, Ince & Irwin, Sir Jack chose the latter, and all in all Jones provided. We were up within two and a half-seasons, but that was our downfall and not entirely Jones' fault!
QB Wolf
13-11-2007, 13:57
I was always a staunch advocate of Jones at Wolves and I still think anyone who knocks his tenure here is on the whole an idiot.
Having said that I think the game has changed over the last 5 years, Alan Hansen famously said you'll never win anything with kids, for me the pendulum has swung and you'll win nothing with an old team, obviously you need a balance but pace is such a key thing now, and one of the things top managers do is have a regular influx of quick youthful players. Jones doesn't seem to be able to do this, it was his downfall here and will be at Cardiff!
Having said that I think the game has changed over the last 5 years, Alan Hansen famously said you'll never win anything with kids, for me the pendulum has swung and you'll win nothing with an old team, obviously you need a balance but pace is such a key thing now, and one of the things top managers do is have a regular influx of quick youthful players. Jones doesn't seem to be able to do this, it was his downfall here and will be at Cardiff!
Woburn Wolf
13-11-2007, 14:43
Have you ever liked anyone in a managerial or exec role at the club?
Bill McGarry, John Barnwell
Bill McGarry, John Barnwell
Woburn Wolf
13-11-2007, 14:45
Well actually totally the opposite to our current manager who is trying to build a squad for the long term as compared to Jones' short term overpaid overhyped buys.
I was referring to a post that said after a bright start things deteriorate not talking about their approach to building a team.
I was referring to a post that said after a bright start things deteriorate not talking about their approach to building a team.
Flying Fish
13-11-2007, 14:52
Foolish move to sack DJ, he is a couple of narrow defeats away from midtable. They will have to start all over again just like we did. What a waste.
Del Woppio
13-11-2007, 14:54
I was referring to a post that said after a bright start things deteriorate not talking about their approach to building a team.
Deteriorate? We're a place higher, closer points wise to second place, and with a goal difference turnaround of +6, than we were after 16 games last season.
Deteriorate? We're a place higher, closer points wise to second place, and with a goal difference turnaround of +6, than we were after 16 games last season.
Nashie
13-11-2007, 14:55
Jones couldn't help it at Cardiff they've sold all there young talent and replaced it with old tired legs.
But those were his players that he bought in, and the wages they would be on will have swallowed up a lot of the cash they had from selling Chopra. Its not as if he hasn't had funds available to strengthen. He spent the money on old old players. Hasselbaink was rubbish last season and Fowler has only been any good for 1 club!
But those were his players that he bought in, and the wages they would be on will have swallowed up a lot of the cash they had from selling Chopra. Its not as if he hasn't had funds available to strengthen. He spent the money on old old players. Hasselbaink was rubbish last season and Fowler has only been any good for 1 club!
Nashie
13-11-2007, 14:56
Deteriorate? We're a place higher, closer points wise to second place, and with a goal difference turnaround of +6, than we were after 16 games last season.
The key problem with your post is that you are using logic and facts.
:P
The key problem with your post is that you are using logic and facts.
:P
Kenny-11
13-11-2007, 14:59
Expected to announce that Dave Jones has been sacked
Seems that may have been wrong
Seems that may have been wrong
John
13-11-2007, 15:03
Deteriorate? We're a place higher, closer points wise to second place, and with a goal difference turnaround of +6, than we were after 16 games last season.
Excellent return on £4m.
Excellent return on £4m.
Kenny-11
13-11-2007, 15:03
http://www.cardiffcityfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10335~1167133,00.html
thaibri2
13-11-2007, 15:04
I noticed that 2 ex Wolves players Steffan Iversen and Isaac Oko?, who he thought were not good enough for Wolves in the prem are still playing in the Champions league, for Rosenburg and Bremmen, I could never understand why these 2 were not permant players at the Mol, especially when we played Iversen we played our best football, and to replace him with Cort and play him was beyond me. I dont think he is too bad a manager, but I dont think he is all that good either.
Del Woppio
13-11-2007, 15:06
Excellent return on £4m.
If you're going to question the value for money of expenditure, at least wait until either the end of the season or the end of the contract, as that is what we have paid for - not the impact after the first 16 games. You don't buy a 5lb turkey, cook it for 20 minutes, and then decide it's not value for money, do you? You wait and see what the result is when it's finished, and then evaluate.
If you're going to question the value for money of expenditure, at least wait until either the end of the season or the end of the contract, as that is what we have paid for - not the impact after the first 16 games. You don't buy a 5lb turkey, cook it for 20 minutes, and then decide it's not value for money, do you? You wait and see what the result is when it's finished, and then evaluate.
cooper_J
13-11-2007, 15:07
No point sacking him, they'd have struggled to find a decent replacement.
Probably a good decision.
Probably a good decision.
OCD Wolf
13-11-2007, 15:10
They probably can't afford to sack him...
Nashie
13-11-2007, 15:12
I hope he can turn it around.
John
13-11-2007, 15:12
- not the impact after the first 16 games.
Are you saying the expenditure has not produced an immediate impact?
Should we have stayed with last seasons team as progress has remained at the same level?
Are you saying the expenditure has not produced an immediate impact?
Should we have stayed with last seasons team as progress has remained at the same level?
Jamboon
13-11-2007, 15:13
If what I have heard is true, they might not have to sack him.
Wolvesthrunthru
13-11-2007, 15:14
If what I have heard is true
Which was?
Which was?
Del Woppio
13-11-2007, 15:19
Are you saying the expenditure has not produced an immediate impact?
Yes I am, but neither did Drogba, Henry, Bergkamp, Wright-Phillips, etc etc. Players need time to adapt and gel, no matter what the level.
Should we have stayed with last seasons team as progress has remained at the same level?
No. As I've said what's important is where we are in May, not November. The additions to the squad *should* put us in a better position next May than last, ergo, investment worthwile. It's impossible to say with any certainty whether or not the signings will prove to be good value or not.
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Yes I am, but neither did Drogba, Henry, Bergkamp, Wright-Phillips, etc etc. Players need time to adapt and gel, no matter what the level.
Should we have stayed with last seasons team as progress has remained at the same level?
No. As I've said what's important is where we are in May, not November. The additions to the squad *should* put us in a better position next May than last, ergo, investment worthwile. It's impossible to say with any certainty whether or not the signings will prove to be good value or not.
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Cardiff Wolf
13-11-2007, 15:26
I was referring to a post that said after a bright start things deteriorate not talking about their approach to building a team.
Lots of change and an early improvement against all odds followed by a period of change and consolidation at a fairly high position would describe Mick's tenure so far a little more accurately, I am at a loss to see how the use of the word deteriorate can apply!
This will hopefully be followed by further improvement as the latest changes in players starts to come together over the next year or 2. Only time will tell on this one.
Lots of change and an early improvement against all odds followed by a period of change and consolidation at a fairly high position would describe Mick's tenure so far a little more accurately, I am at a loss to see how the use of the word deteriorate can apply!
This will hopefully be followed by further improvement as the latest changes in players starts to come together over the next year or 2. Only time will tell on this one.
Dr Wolfenstein
13-11-2007, 15:27
It was a dreadful mistake repeated by Johnson? at Bristol city to start appearing on the TV before the job was done.
A bit like this thread really.
A bit like this thread really.
Mr Wolf
13-11-2007, 15:30
I love the turkey reference Del.
We had a good start last season but we then dipped around this time I think. Where as this season we have had an average start by all accounts but should continue to progress nicely with the next 8 games coming up. But it's not how you start John it's how you finish.
We had a good start last season but we then dipped around this time I think. Where as this season we have had an average start by all accounts but should continue to progress nicely with the next 8 games coming up. But it's not how you start John it's how you finish.
Del Woppio
13-11-2007, 15:32
I love the turkey reference Del.
We had a good start last season but we then dipped around this time I think. Where as this season we have had an average start by all accounts but should continue to progress nicely with the next 8 games coming up. But it's not how you start John it's how you finish.
Regretably, in Johns case, these two events are rarely seperated by more than 37 seconds.
We had a good start last season but we then dipped around this time I think. Where as this season we have had an average start by all accounts but should continue to progress nicely with the next 8 games coming up. But it's not how you start John it's how you finish.
Regretably, in Johns case, these two events are rarely seperated by more than 37 seconds.
Dr Wolfenstein
13-11-2007, 16:08
Regretably, in Johns case, these two events are rarely seperated by more than 37 seconds.
So little time, but too much information...
So little time, but too much information...
IrchyWolf
13-11-2007, 16:17
Come on Jamboon, you can't just leave us hanging there. Do you reckon it's Peter R. rather than DJ that's going or what's the story?
John
13-11-2007, 16:25
But it's not how you start John it's how you finish.
Exactly.
Yet Del and others think it's ok to use our start to show everything is rosy.
You can't have it both ways.
Exactly.
Yet Del and others think it's ok to use our start to show everything is rosy.
You can't have it both ways.
Jamboon
13-11-2007, 16:26
Why pay to get rid of a manager if someone will pay you to take him off your hands. I've heard he is now being linked with Wigan
Del Woppio
13-11-2007, 16:27
Exactly.
Yet Del and others think it's ok to use our start to show everything is rosy.
You can't have it both ways.
Remove my name from that statement, Rambo.
I have used our start to show that we have not 'deteriorated', no more, no less.
Yet Del and others think it's ok to use our start to show everything is rosy.
You can't have it both ways.
Remove my name from that statement, Rambo.
I have used our start to show that we have not 'deteriorated', no more, no less.
long ball man
13-11-2007, 16:28
Strange character, Dave Jones. On one hand dismissive of Wolves' tradition and on the other in terms of playing style probably came as close to anybody in the 'Hayward era' to playing what i call a traditional Wolves game of fast attacking play with wingers. i still maintain that 2001/02, for all its calamitious conclusion saw the most entertaining football played by Wolves in my thirty years of supporting them. So given that and our hiring of Mcghee, Lee and Hoddle I am not sure how anyone can call him 'the inept one'.
Nonetheless his track record shows he has rather a short-term view on building a team and I don't really think his talents of putting out a simple 442 with experienced players and giving them belief (square pegs in square holes really)are what you need if you are trying to build a team from the Championship to stay in the Prem. Funnily enough I think he would actually do better in the lower half of the Prem where short-term fixes are often called for by panicky boards. Wigan anyone?
Nonetheless his track record shows he has rather a short-term view on building a team and I don't really think his talents of putting out a simple 442 with experienced players and giving them belief (square pegs in square holes really)are what you need if you are trying to build a team from the Championship to stay in the Prem. Funnily enough I think he would actually do better in the lower half of the Prem where short-term fixes are often called for by panicky boards. Wigan anyone?
John
13-11-2007, 16:36
Remove my name from that statement, Rambo.
I have used our start to show that we have not 'deteriorated', no more, no less.
If, you play with the skill on Ronaldiniho making my trip worthwhile you're on.
Otherwise it stays and you can be smeared. (You know people never look back).
I have used our start to show that we have not 'deteriorated', no more, no less.
If, you play with the skill on Ronaldiniho making my trip worthwhile you're on.
Otherwise it stays and you can be smeared. (You know people never look back).
HIGHLANDER
13-11-2007, 16:55
Well actually totally the opposite to our current manager who is trying to build a squad for the long term as compared to Jones' short term overpaid overhyped buys.
What, like buying players that he admits don't fit in to the style of play that he has introduced?
What, like buying players that he admits don't fit in to the style of play that he has introduced?
Cardiff Wolf
13-11-2007, 17:18
What, like buying players that he admits don't fit in to the style of play that he has introduced?
No, like buying players who have the potential and ability to be coached and developed into that style even though its new to them, but it does take time.
No, like buying players who have the potential and ability to be coached and developed into that style even though its new to them, but it does take time.
HIGHLANDER
13-11-2007, 17:52
No, like buying players who have the potential and ability to be coached and developed into that style even though its new to them, but it does take time.' Time' my friend is a thing that McCarthy and other Championship managers don't have. Ask Paul Simpson.
Paul76
13-11-2007, 18:13
' Time' my friend is a thing that McCarthy and other Championship managers don't have. Ask Paul Simpson.
Ask Morgan:cool:
Ask Morgan:cool:
Cardiff Wolf
13-11-2007, 19:01
Ask Morgan:cool:
Morgan so far has publicly backed Jez and MM's policy of 'young and hungry' players being developed as part of a long term strategy.
This should surely give MM the time to bring that policy to fruition?
Knee jerk reaction sackings after 3 months of the season don't often bring instant success. Mates of mine in S.Wales are calling for DJ's sacking but can't name me a realistic replacement who would have an instant impact, the situation is probably similar in Preston.
Morgan so far has publicly backed Jez and MM's policy of 'young and hungry' players being developed as part of a long term strategy.
This should surely give MM the time to bring that policy to fruition?
Knee jerk reaction sackings after 3 months of the season don't often bring instant success. Mates of mine in S.Wales are calling for DJ's sacking but can't name me a realistic replacement who would have an instant impact, the situation is probably similar in Preston.
wolvesinwales
13-11-2007, 20:18
DJs' over the hill, over paid strikeforce who have not started as often as expected have scored 10 between them. I know its early in the season but compared to our young and hungry strikers their free transfers with wages sponsored by local business has not been too bad.
Dr Wolfenstein
14-11-2007, 00:51
DJs' over the hill, over paid strikeforce who have not started as often as expected have scored 10 between them.
A bit irrelevant if the underpaid defence is letting even more in at the other end.
A bit irrelevant if the underpaid defence is letting even more in at the other end.
Japan Wulf
14-11-2007, 03:01
DJ always reckoned that he would have turned things round at Wolves. If my memory serves me correct he said something like, "My CV says I would have done".
I've no idea if he would - or could - have done but he has been saying the same kind of thing at Cardiff so I'll be interested to see how it pans out.
Personally I wish the bloke no ill. Despite his shortcomings he did get us to the PL and if the season had been a bit longer we might even have stayed there.
I've no idea if he would - or could - have done but he has been saying the same kind of thing at Cardiff so I'll be interested to see how it pans out.
Personally I wish the bloke no ill. Despite his shortcomings he did get us to the PL and if the season had been a bit longer we might even have stayed there.
Essex Wolf
14-11-2007, 11:58
DJ had taken Wolves as far as he could so sacking him was the right decision IMV but just too late in being done.
Don't know why some feel sorry for the bloke. Wolves gave him a way back into football and he has been in work ever since.
Don't know why some feel sorry for the bloke. Wolves gave him a way back into football and he has been in work ever since.
Kenny-11
14-11-2007, 12:35
DJ had taken Wolves as far as he could so sacking him was the right decision IMV but just too late in being done.
Don't know why some feel sorry for the bloke. Wolves gave him a way back into football and he has been in work ever since.
Pass me a chair..................I agree with Essex
Don't know why some feel sorry for the bloke. Wolves gave him a way back into football and he has been in work ever since.
Pass me a chair..................I agree with Essex
Essex Wolf
14-11-2007, 12:44
Pass me a chair..................I agree with Essex
I know how you are feeling Kenny.;)
I know how you are feeling Kenny.;)
kidder_wolf_II
14-11-2007, 20:41
DJ has 2 games to save his job. If results dont improve against Ipswich (Home) and Leicester City (Away) then a change will be made.
Papper
14-11-2007, 20:53
Don't know why some feel sorry for the bloke. Wolves gave him a way back into football and he has been in work ever since.
He was a successful manager prior to Wolves and believe it or not he got us promoted (only one who did) so lets be honest he did Wolves a favour not vica versa.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blackcountry/sport/2003/05/play-offs/final.shtml
He was a successful manager prior to Wolves and believe it or not he got us promoted (only one who did) so lets be honest he did Wolves a favour not vica versa.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blackcountry/sport/2003/05/play-offs/final.shtml
Japan Wulf
15-11-2007, 06:22
DJ has 2 games to save his job. If results dont improve against Ipswich (Home) and Leicester City (Away) then a change will be made.
If that's true I can't see much point in it; they might as well sack him now and be done with it. You either support the manager or you don't.
If that's true I can't see much point in it; they might as well sack him now and be done with it. You either support the manager or you don't.
kidder_wolf_II
15-11-2007, 18:13
If that's true I can't see much point in it; they might as well sack him now and be done with it. You either support the manager or you don't.
Yes its true Peter Ridsdale made that statement in a fans forum meeting.
Yes its true Peter Ridsdale made that statement in a fans forum meeting.
Essex Wolf
15-11-2007, 18:55
He was a successful manager prior to Wolves and believe it or not he got us promoted (only one who did) so lets be honest he did Wolves a favour not vica versa.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blackcountry/sport/2003/05/play-offs/final.shtml
Did he?
Having spent millions he took the club right back to where they were when he took over but had spent millions in doing so.
When Wolves employed him it was his first job back in football for a while so I'd say Wolves gave him a way back into the game.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blackcountry/sport/2003/05/play-offs/final.shtml
Did he?
Having spent millions he took the club right back to where they were when he took over but had spent millions in doing so.
When Wolves employed him it was his first job back in football for a while so I'd say Wolves gave him a way back into the game.
basher
16-11-2007, 12:59
Top man.
Deserved better.
Deserved better.
Aylesbury Wolf
16-11-2007, 13:47
I shouldn't think DJ will be too worry if Ridsdale sacks him. If there is one man who doesn't know how to run a club it is Ridsdale. DJ will get a nice pay off and walk into another Championship job - there are/will be enough vacancies over the coming weeks as the panic button gets pressed up and down the country.
Good luck DJ - I enjoyed our brief stay in the Premiership. He did his best but wasn't backed by the board. End of story.
Good luck DJ - I enjoyed our brief stay in the Premiership. He did his best but wasn't backed by the board. End of story.
fboro65
16-11-2007, 16:14
http://www.cardiffcityfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10335~1167133,00.html
at least Ridsdale didn't mention the Comfidence word
Good
at least Ridsdale didn't mention the Comfidence word
Good
Mugwump
17-11-2007, 05:08
i still dont agree he wasnt backed by the board. He wasnt backed enough by the board while we were in the prem, but his signings were not that good, and he never really played some of them.
John
17-11-2007, 07:29
i still dont agree he wasnt backed by the board.
He wasnt backed enough by the board while we were in the prem, but his signings were not that good, and he never really played some of them.
Do you like contradicting yourself?
He wasnt backed enough by the board while we were in the prem, but his signings were not that good, and he never really played some of them.
Do you like contradicting yourself?
Mugwump
17-11-2007, 07:54
I said " i still dont agree he wasnt backed by the board "--- this means i feel think he was backed by the board. i also said "He wasnt backed enough by the board" which means he didnt get as much backing as maybe he should.
Comprende? (that means understand in spanish ;) )
Comprende? (that means understand in spanish ;) )
Essex Wolf
17-11-2007, 12:05
Top man.
Deserved better.
He deserved to be sacked far sooner.
Deserved better.
He deserved to be sacked far sooner.
Atlas 1951
17-11-2007, 12:23
Comprende? (that means understand in spanish ;) )
Be aware that you are using the polite/respectful form to John here. :D
Be aware that you are using the polite/respectful form to John here. :D
Oldgold Wolfcub
17-11-2007, 14:20
i still dont agree he wasnt backed by the board.
Are you trying to prove that two negatives dont always make a positive?;)
Are you trying to prove that two negatives dont always make a positive?;)
Mugwump
17-11-2007, 23:47
i dont know what i`m trying to prove now :confused: I am always polite though :D
leedswolf
18-11-2007, 00:53
Comprende? (that means understand in spanish ;) )
¿Comprendes :rolleyes:
¿Comprendes :rolleyes:
Mugwump
18-11-2007, 04:58
:confused:
leedswolf
18-11-2007, 08:45
:confused:
¿Comprendes = Do you understand?
¿Comprendes = Do you understand?
Mugwump
18-11-2007, 09:00
i didnt think it had an s on the end ;)
leedswolf
18-11-2007, 09:09
¿usted ahora entiende?
Atlas 1951
18-11-2007, 17:21
The pally/familiar form has an "s" on the end, the polite form (usted, as leedswolf points out) doesn't.
SL2
18-11-2007, 23:37
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44235000/jpg/_44235498_jones07_gett_203.jpg
awesome
awesome
Atlas 1951
19-11-2007, 16:16
I thought only Rowan Atkinson was capable of a gurney like that!
Essex Wolf
19-11-2007, 16:29
Did he say awesome or awful?
GoldenHorseshoe
19-11-2007, 16:38
You don't have to remind us leeds, that you have a tendancy to incline to the pedantic, (same applies to that Oldgold Wolfcub geezer);)
Oldgold Wolfcub
20-11-2007, 00:11
You don't have to remind us leeds, that you have a tendancy to incline to the pedantic, (same applies to that Oldgold Wolfcub geezer);)
Non comrende nada manuana por favor.:D
Non comrende nada manuana por favor.:D
Powelly
20-11-2007, 00:46
i still dont agree he wasnt backed by the board. He wasnt backed enough by the board while we were in the prem, but his signings were not that good, and he never really played some of them.
If were referring to his signings in the premiership season then that would be down to the fact that most of them wouldnt have been anywhere near the top of the wanted list had Jones been backed by the board financially upon promotion like he was promised..
the only signing who would possibly have been on the list was Camara
If were referring to his signings in the premiership season then that would be down to the fact that most of them wouldnt have been anywhere near the top of the wanted list had Jones been backed by the board financially upon promotion like he was promised..
the only signing who would possibly have been on the list was Camara
Florida Wolfey
20-11-2007, 01:52
If were referring to his signings in the premiership season then that would be down to the fact that most of them wouldnt have been anywhere near the top of the wanted list had Jones been backed by the board financially upon promotion like he was promised..
the only signing who would possibly have been on the list was Camara
So you think that's an excuse for spunking 4 million up the wall then do you? The bloke was out of his depth. He was responsible for the position we found ourselves in at the start of last season. He's a very average manager who constantly repeats the mistakes he's made elsewhere.
I'm utterly sick and tired of people making out Jones was a good manager because he got us promoted. It cost 24 friggin' million.
And..we'll not even mention the biggest embarassment ever....losing an 11 point lead to ...of all teams... the Baggies.
Jones bought badly. Jones ignored our defensive problems. Jones then led us to the lower depths of Div 1 / Championship.
We're well rid of him. And so will Cardiff be in the next month.
the only signing who would possibly have been on the list was Camara
So you think that's an excuse for spunking 4 million up the wall then do you? The bloke was out of his depth. He was responsible for the position we found ourselves in at the start of last season. He's a very average manager who constantly repeats the mistakes he's made elsewhere.
I'm utterly sick and tired of people making out Jones was a good manager because he got us promoted. It cost 24 friggin' million.
And..we'll not even mention the biggest embarassment ever....losing an 11 point lead to ...of all teams... the Baggies.
Jones bought badly. Jones ignored our defensive problems. Jones then led us to the lower depths of Div 1 / Championship.
We're well rid of him. And so will Cardiff be in the next month.
Atlas 1951
20-11-2007, 02:10
If were referring to his signings in the premiership season then that would be down to the fact that most of them wouldnt have been anywhere near the top of the wanted list had Jones been backed by the board financially upon promotion like he was promised..
the only signing who would possibly have been on the list was Camara
On reflection it was a strange decision by the board to buy their way into the Premiership and not bargain on spending anything when they got there. However, I'm sure if Jones' side had taken full advantage of the massive lead they had the previous season, funds would have been more readily available.
I do blame the players primarily for that fiasco, but isn't the manager supposed to be the guy that instills belief, and keeps morale high? The team went into freefall, and he was incapable of doing anything about it.
the only signing who would possibly have been on the list was Camara
On reflection it was a strange decision by the board to buy their way into the Premiership and not bargain on spending anything when they got there. However, I'm sure if Jones' side had taken full advantage of the massive lead they had the previous season, funds would have been more readily available.
I do blame the players primarily for that fiasco, but isn't the manager supposed to be the guy that instills belief, and keeps morale high? The team went into freefall, and he was incapable of doing anything about it.
Powelly
20-11-2007, 02:18
So you think that's an excuse for spunking 4 million up the wall then do you? The bloke was out of his depth. He was responsible for the position we found ourselves in at the start of last season. He's a very average manager who constantly repeats the mistakes he's made elsewhere.
I'm utterly sick and tired of people making out Jones was a good manager because he got us promoted. It cost 24 friggin' million.
And..we'll not even mention the biggest embarassment ever....losing an 11 point lead to ...of all teams... the Baggies.
Jones bought badly. Jones ignored our defensive problems. Jones then led us to the lower depths of Div 1 / Championship.
We're well rid of him. And so will Cardiff be in the next month.
How is he responsible for where we were last August when Hoddle had been at the relm for over 18 months?? More than enough time to sort out contract issues and move players on..
Yes jones spent £20m to get us up ( as many other clubs in this league have done) but the club made that money back over the course of the premiership season...
Its well known that teams who go up via the play offs have least preparation.. Jones had even less when the board said he had far less money than he was promised and therefore his player shortlist/targets of first choice players to imporve went us up the swanny and had to start again... hence why most of the signings didnt work out/ make an impact..
Regardless of your individual opinion of him as a manager, ANY manager in the country would suffer if they were told they had X number of pounds to spend and draw up their shortlist to fit in with that budget and then as soon as it comes to spending any of it they get told sorry u cant have even half of the budget..
I'm utterly sick and tired of people making out Jones was a good manager because he got us promoted. It cost 24 friggin' million.
And..we'll not even mention the biggest embarassment ever....losing an 11 point lead to ...of all teams... the Baggies.
Jones bought badly. Jones ignored our defensive problems. Jones then led us to the lower depths of Div 1 / Championship.
We're well rid of him. And so will Cardiff be in the next month.
How is he responsible for where we were last August when Hoddle had been at the relm for over 18 months?? More than enough time to sort out contract issues and move players on..
Yes jones spent £20m to get us up ( as many other clubs in this league have done) but the club made that money back over the course of the premiership season...
Its well known that teams who go up via the play offs have least preparation.. Jones had even less when the board said he had far less money than he was promised and therefore his player shortlist/targets of first choice players to imporve went us up the swanny and had to start again... hence why most of the signings didnt work out/ make an impact..
Regardless of your individual opinion of him as a manager, ANY manager in the country would suffer if they were told they had X number of pounds to spend and draw up their shortlist to fit in with that budget and then as soon as it comes to spending any of it they get told sorry u cant have even half of the budget..
Bend It Like Dennison
20-11-2007, 08:08
How is he responsible for where we were last August when Hoddle had been at the relm for over 18 months?
Exactly.
Everyone's got their own personal vendetta's on here, some with Moxey, some with McCarthy, some with Gray Breen... its all personal choice I suppose.
Just dont understand those who have one against Dave Jones, the only manager to deliver Premiership football to Molineux.
I think Florida secretly liked Hoddle which says it all really.
Exactly.
Everyone's got their own personal vendetta's on here, some with Moxey, some with McCarthy, some with Gray Breen... its all personal choice I suppose.
Just dont understand those who have one against Dave Jones, the only manager to deliver Premiership football to Molineux.
I think Florida secretly liked Hoddle which says it all really.
Florida Wolfey
20-11-2007, 08:56
I think Florida secretly liked Hoddle which says it all really.
There's no secret to it. Hoddle did well in his first season. He got the team playing a different way but the usual problem of not putting the ball in the net caused a loss of confidence and the rest is history.
As for the problems we faced, I was actually talking about when MM came in. Hoddle didn't cause that apart from one reckless Board sanctioned move for Frankowski. Hoddle has been accused of a lot of things on here, some of it undoubtly deserved but a lot of people fail to realise the hand he was dealt with the utter garbage that Jones left behind.
No matter how you dress it up, Jones signed 8 or 9 players that weren't good enough for Div1 let alone the Premiership. Hoddle had to clear that mess up. Some people also forget that the guy did the honourable thing in resigning instead of hanging on for a pay off when the sack came. I'm not claiming Hoddle was a genius or anything like that but the vitriol placed in his direction is over the top.
As for vendetta's... I don't have one against Jones by any means but I do believe that people need to understand that the situation MM inherited was largely because of the money Jones wasted on hopeless players and high wage bills.
Yes, Jones got us promoted. Big deal. He also got us relegated and he spent a fortune doing it. Today we have just about stopped paying the penalty of that now that we have a new owner. Personally I wish Jones well. I think he's a decent guy but his failings as a manager are again being exposed at Cardiff.
There's no secret to it. Hoddle did well in his first season. He got the team playing a different way but the usual problem of not putting the ball in the net caused a loss of confidence and the rest is history.
As for the problems we faced, I was actually talking about when MM came in. Hoddle didn't cause that apart from one reckless Board sanctioned move for Frankowski. Hoddle has been accused of a lot of things on here, some of it undoubtly deserved but a lot of people fail to realise the hand he was dealt with the utter garbage that Jones left behind.
No matter how you dress it up, Jones signed 8 or 9 players that weren't good enough for Div1 let alone the Premiership. Hoddle had to clear that mess up. Some people also forget that the guy did the honourable thing in resigning instead of hanging on for a pay off when the sack came. I'm not claiming Hoddle was a genius or anything like that but the vitriol placed in his direction is over the top.
As for vendetta's... I don't have one against Jones by any means but I do believe that people need to understand that the situation MM inherited was largely because of the money Jones wasted on hopeless players and high wage bills.
Yes, Jones got us promoted. Big deal. He also got us relegated and he spent a fortune doing it. Today we have just about stopped paying the penalty of that now that we have a new owner. Personally I wish Jones well. I think he's a decent guy but his failings as a manager are again being exposed at Cardiff.
Mutchy
20-11-2007, 09:21
As for vendetta's... I don't have one against Jones by any means but I do believe that people need to understand that the situation MM inherited was largely because of the money Jones wasted on hopeless players and high wage bills.
Accepting that statement, just for the sake of argument... doesn't that gloss over whatever Glenn was doing while he was at Wolves?
You say that the situation MM inherited was down to DJ, but at least he set about rectifying the problems he faced. I don't think it could be claimed that Hoddle put in the similar groundwork that would have been necessary during his time too?
Accepting that statement, just for the sake of argument... doesn't that gloss over whatever Glenn was doing while he was at Wolves?
You say that the situation MM inherited was down to DJ, but at least he set about rectifying the problems he faced. I don't think it could be claimed that Hoddle put in the similar groundwork that would have been necessary during his time too?
fenella
20-11-2007, 09:22
No matter how you dress it up, Jones signed 8 or 9 players that weren't good enough for Div1 let alone the Premiership.
Can you name six?
Can you name six?
Florida Wolfey
20-11-2007, 09:38
Can you name six?
Isaac Okoronkwo
Silas
Oleg Luzhny
Steffen Iversen
Ioan Ganea
Carl Cort
Paul Jones
Rob Edwards
Joachim Bjorklund
At least 9...off the top of my head.
Isaac Okoronkwo
Silas
Oleg Luzhny
Steffen Iversen
Ioan Ganea
Carl Cort
Paul Jones
Rob Edwards
Joachim Bjorklund
At least 9...off the top of my head.
Florida Wolfey
20-11-2007, 09:44
Accepting that statement, just for the sake of argument... doesn't that gloss over whatever Glenn was doing while he was at Wolves?
You say that the situation MM inherited was down to DJ, but at least he set about rectifying the problems he faced. I don't think it could be claimed that Hoddle put in the similar groundwork that would have been necessary during his time too?
I agree with you that it does to some extent but I think the same can be said of Jones when people come out with the "he got us to the Prem." line.
I think Hoddle did the best he could with what he had. He inherited players on existing contracts and it took a while to off load them because of the money they were on and the fact they simply weren't good enough to attract other clubs other than through the loan market.
Hoddle in his first season had us playing some good football. We just didn't convert some of the dozens of chances per game. I distinctly remember the Watford away game when we murdered them...at least 20 chances and we couldnt score. Watford won that game 3-0 in the end...from the only 3 shots they had.
Hoddle's Wolves by the end was sterile and when he left he exposed the Board's thinking. That above all else woke SJH up and we finally embarked on a slowly does it approach rather than the quick fix.
There's also another point to consider, we couldn't afford both Lescott and Hoddle. Lescott was sold and Hoddle then did the decent thing even if the timing was a little off. He should have gone 6-8 weeks earlier.
You say that the situation MM inherited was down to DJ, but at least he set about rectifying the problems he faced. I don't think it could be claimed that Hoddle put in the similar groundwork that would have been necessary during his time too?
I agree with you that it does to some extent but I think the same can be said of Jones when people come out with the "he got us to the Prem." line.
I think Hoddle did the best he could with what he had. He inherited players on existing contracts and it took a while to off load them because of the money they were on and the fact they simply weren't good enough to attract other clubs other than through the loan market.
Hoddle in his first season had us playing some good football. We just didn't convert some of the dozens of chances per game. I distinctly remember the Watford away game when we murdered them...at least 20 chances and we couldnt score. Watford won that game 3-0 in the end...from the only 3 shots they had.
Hoddle's Wolves by the end was sterile and when he left he exposed the Board's thinking. That above all else woke SJH up and we finally embarked on a slowly does it approach rather than the quick fix.
There's also another point to consider, we couldn't afford both Lescott and Hoddle. Lescott was sold and Hoddle then did the decent thing even if the timing was a little off. He should have gone 6-8 weeks earlier.
Essex Wolf
20-11-2007, 10:09
I think by now all Wolves fans know and accept Jones was the first Wolves manager to get them into the Prem but he did so at a massive cost and only then via the PO's.
Having got Wolves there he was out of his depth and some of his signings were terrible.
I'll never forget when Jones was signing players left, right and centre he said they were for the future yet when the future came most were found wanting.
He'd reached his past it date at Wolves and just maybe had he been shown the exit door sooner things may have been different?
Having got Wolves there he was out of his depth and some of his signings were terrible.
I'll never forget when Jones was signing players left, right and centre he said they were for the future yet when the future came most were found wanting.
He'd reached his past it date at Wolves and just maybe had he been shown the exit door sooner things may have been different?
Bend It Like Dennison
20-11-2007, 10:30
Isaac Okoronkwo
Silas
Oleg Luzhny
Steffen Iversen
Ioan Ganea
Carl Cort
Paul Jones
Rob Edwards
Joachim Bjorklund
At least 9...off the top of my head.
Okoronkwo & Iversen are currently playing in the Champions League, so to me that really makes a mockery of your 'not even good enough for Div 1' argument.
Carl Cort?? The same Carl Cort who was our top scorer in Hoddle's 'wonderful' first season??
Ganea was quality. Gave 100%, knew where the goal was too.
Rob Edwards was part of the defensive combination which McCarthy accidently stumbled upon which propelled us into the play offs last season. A good squad player signed for peanuts.
We'll never know about Silas.
I'll give you Luzhny & Bjorkland. Paul Jones was his mate & all managers are allowed to sign at least one of his mates.
So by my calculations that's 2 duff signings. In almost 4 years. Both of whom were free.
When Jones left after the Gillingham game, which for the record, I felt he needed to, things werent as catastrophic as you make out. The season was still in its infancy & there was still the nucleus of a decent side there. Lescott, Ince, Olofinyana, Miller, a fit Carl Cort, Kennedy... if the board had appointed the right man, a motivator, then who knows??
But they didnt. They appointed Hoddle. And Wolves effectively went into a 12 month coma.
The thread-bare, confidence devoid squad that reported for pre-season training in 2006 was all Hoddle's work, not Jones's.
Silas
Oleg Luzhny
Steffen Iversen
Ioan Ganea
Carl Cort
Paul Jones
Rob Edwards
Joachim Bjorklund
At least 9...off the top of my head.
Okoronkwo & Iversen are currently playing in the Champions League, so to me that really makes a mockery of your 'not even good enough for Div 1' argument.
Carl Cort?? The same Carl Cort who was our top scorer in Hoddle's 'wonderful' first season??
Ganea was quality. Gave 100%, knew where the goal was too.
Rob Edwards was part of the defensive combination which McCarthy accidently stumbled upon which propelled us into the play offs last season. A good squad player signed for peanuts.
We'll never know about Silas.
I'll give you Luzhny & Bjorkland. Paul Jones was his mate & all managers are allowed to sign at least one of his mates.
So by my calculations that's 2 duff signings. In almost 4 years. Both of whom were free.
When Jones left after the Gillingham game, which for the record, I felt he needed to, things werent as catastrophic as you make out. The season was still in its infancy & there was still the nucleus of a decent side there. Lescott, Ince, Olofinyana, Miller, a fit Carl Cort, Kennedy... if the board had appointed the right man, a motivator, then who knows??
But they didnt. They appointed Hoddle. And Wolves effectively went into a 12 month coma.
The thread-bare, confidence devoid squad that reported for pre-season training in 2006 was all Hoddle's work, not Jones's.
fenella
20-11-2007, 10:33
Florida Wolfey, you really think those 9 players were not good enough to in the Championship?
Steffen Iversen recently scored twice in the Champions league. I'd say he was too good for the Championship, never mind not good enough.
Ioan Ganea had injury problems, but I think he would have done well in the Championship.
Carl Cort scored 16 goals in his first season in the Championship. How good do you need to be?
Rob Edwards has always looked decent enough at this level for a young player learning his trade.
Joachim Bjorklund was injured, so I don't know, but I suspect he would have been ok at this level.
Edit: Oops, BILD beat me to it.
Steffen Iversen recently scored twice in the Champions league. I'd say he was too good for the Championship, never mind not good enough.
Ioan Ganea had injury problems, but I think he would have done well in the Championship.
Carl Cort scored 16 goals in his first season in the Championship. How good do you need to be?
Rob Edwards has always looked decent enough at this level for a young player learning his trade.
Joachim Bjorklund was injured, so I don't know, but I suspect he would have been ok at this level.
Edit: Oops, BILD beat me to it.
John
20-11-2007, 10:34
I'll give you Luzhny.
The same Luzhny who had been MOM in the FA cup final just before we signed him?
I think it's fair to say every team in the bottom 1/3rd of the prem would have signed him when we did, and no-one would have expected him to suddenly drop off so badly.
The same Luzhny who had been MOM in the FA cup final just before we signed him?
I think it's fair to say every team in the bottom 1/3rd of the prem would have signed him when we did, and no-one would have expected him to suddenly drop off so badly.
Bend It Like Dennison
20-11-2007, 10:37
Hoddle in his first season had us playing some good football. We just didn't convert some of the dozens of chances per game. I distinctly remember the Watford away game when we murdered them...at least 20 chances and we couldnt score. Watford won that game 3-0 in the end...from the only 3 shots they had.
Oh the happy Hoddle days eh?! :rolleyes: We 'murdered' them but lost 3-0!! Not like those miserable times under Jones when we'd go away from home, murder teams in 20 minutes scoring 3 or 4 goals at a time AND end up winning!!
Oh the happy Hoddle days eh?! :rolleyes: We 'murdered' them but lost 3-0!! Not like those miserable times under Jones when we'd go away from home, murder teams in 20 minutes scoring 3 or 4 goals at a time AND end up winning!!
Mugwump
20-11-2007, 10:59
okoronkwo,silas,iversen and luzhny were not used that much when we were in the prem, and when iversen did start to play well jones dropped him.
Oldgold Wolfcub
20-11-2007, 11:11
I think it was a Cardiff fan who summed up Jones' signings as 'oven ready'. He signed players often good enough to do the job but he himself was not able to get more out of them. The players he bought in before we were promoted as we saw were good enough to sometimes cream the opposition but only by being successful at plan A, he did not have plans b, c , etc.. I always felt we won promotion in spite of Jones not because of him.
The argument was put by Florida that he did not buy good enough players for the premiership. Then the argument against Florida was that these same players have proved themselves elsewhere. Hey has the penny not dropped...........maybe it was the manager who could not get the best out of them.
As for the debate of the Board not backing Jones I do have some sympathy for this. Jack Hayward had promised more money but I think must have lost faith in Jones and did not trust him to use it wisely and therefore could get us into serious financial trouble.
Maybe though if Jones had not been sacked and we had been relegated it would have exposed the Jones myth although some would still have put the blame elsewhere. I questioned Jones appointment from day one as many Saints fans had expressed their views on his weaknesses and unfortunately they were proved right.
Still Jones has gone from us as has Hoddle so let them both rest in peace.
The argument was put by Florida that he did not buy good enough players for the premiership. Then the argument against Florida was that these same players have proved themselves elsewhere. Hey has the penny not dropped...........maybe it was the manager who could not get the best out of them.
As for the debate of the Board not backing Jones I do have some sympathy for this. Jack Hayward had promised more money but I think must have lost faith in Jones and did not trust him to use it wisely and therefore could get us into serious financial trouble.
Maybe though if Jones had not been sacked and we had been relegated it would have exposed the Jones myth although some would still have put the blame elsewhere. I questioned Jones appointment from day one as many Saints fans had expressed their views on his weaknesses and unfortunately they were proved right.
Still Jones has gone from us as has Hoddle so let them both rest in peace.
John
20-11-2007, 11:15
exposed the Jones myth.
Yes, I must have imagined watching Wolves in the premiership.
Yes, I must have imagined watching Wolves in the premiership.
Florida Wolfey
20-11-2007, 11:22
Oh the happy Hoddle days eh?! :rolleyes: We 'murdered' them but lost 3-0!! Not like those miserable times under Jones when we'd go away from home, murder teams in 20 minutes scoring 3 or 4 goals at a time AND end up winning!!
Says he choosing to forget games like Gillingham away :rolleyes:
Says he choosing to forget games like Gillingham away :rolleyes:
Bedford Wolf
20-11-2007, 11:29
[quote=Bend It Like Dennison;483403]Okoronkwo & Iversen are currently playing in the Champions League....
Who's Okka playing for now? I'm not being funny, I'm just curious.
Who's Okka playing for now? I'm not being funny, I'm just curious.
Oldgold Wolfcub
20-11-2007, 11:36
Yes, I must have imagined watching Wolves in the premiership.
Yep John purely your imagination. You probably also imagined them struggling at the bottom and then failing to make an impression on their return to the championship. Imagination is a wonderful thing.
Next time you imagine these things could you please have a happier ending.:)
Yep John purely your imagination. You probably also imagined them struggling at the bottom and then failing to make an impression on their return to the championship. Imagination is a wonderful thing.
Next time you imagine these things could you please have a happier ending.:)
Florida Wolfey
20-11-2007, 11:37
okoronkwo,silas,iversen and luzhny were not used that much when we were in the prem, and when iversen did start to play well jones dropped him.
Precisely...but that said, another factor in this is the signings he made previously in Kennedy, Newton, Cameron, Blake, Rae, Miller, Cooper, Roussel and Butler....all players that left for next to nothing but cost around 14 million. Not many clubs in our division could afford to write off that kind of money and although some will argue we got our money back because of our promotion, they are forgetting the wages and bonuses that were paid that took that outlay well in excess of that.
If you then add in Craddock and Olo at another 3.5M + big wages, it's easy to see how we got into the mess we did. Of course, not all of the blame is down to DJ by any means. The Board have to take an equal share of the blame. I suppose they had one eye on what if this goes wrong and decided enough was enough given the fact that DJ had signed these guys and hardly used them.
Should they have given him money? Easy to say with retrospect but at the time we were fighting hard and with a little more luck we may have even survived. The key time for me in that season was around January and the two signings he made in Cort and Jones really didn't help our cause. If he'd have signed a good quality defender to compete with Lescott, Butler and Craddock we may have stood a better chance. This was the critical time though and that is when Jones should have been given more resource....not in August when he was given just as much funding as other teams we considered competitors. It was January when we were still in with a chance of surviving and that's when we needed 2 or 3 quality additions rather than a goalkeeper past his sell by date who was no better than what we had and an injury prone striker who had yet to prove himself at the top level.
Precisely...but that said, another factor in this is the signings he made previously in Kennedy, Newton, Cameron, Blake, Rae, Miller, Cooper, Roussel and Butler....all players that left for next to nothing but cost around 14 million. Not many clubs in our division could afford to write off that kind of money and although some will argue we got our money back because of our promotion, they are forgetting the wages and bonuses that were paid that took that outlay well in excess of that.
If you then add in Craddock and Olo at another 3.5M + big wages, it's easy to see how we got into the mess we did. Of course, not all of the blame is down to DJ by any means. The Board have to take an equal share of the blame. I suppose they had one eye on what if this goes wrong and decided enough was enough given the fact that DJ had signed these guys and hardly used them.
Should they have given him money? Easy to say with retrospect but at the time we were fighting hard and with a little more luck we may have even survived. The key time for me in that season was around January and the two signings he made in Cort and Jones really didn't help our cause. If he'd have signed a good quality defender to compete with Lescott, Butler and Craddock we may have stood a better chance. This was the critical time though and that is when Jones should have been given more resource....not in August when he was given just as much funding as other teams we considered competitors. It was January when we were still in with a chance of surviving and that's when we needed 2 or 3 quality additions rather than a goalkeeper past his sell by date who was no better than what we had and an injury prone striker who had yet to prove himself at the top level.
Munich_Wolf
20-11-2007, 12:23
I can't understand how anyone could even begin to defend Hoddle.
Another season of him and we'd have had attendances of 16K borderline suicidals. I feel like smacking him in his fat trap everytime I read or hear his name. He did his best to destroy this club and isn't fit to clean DJ's training boots.
I'm glad Jones went when he did, but he took us up and with some proper backing might have kept us up.
Another season of him and we'd have had attendances of 16K borderline suicidals. I feel like smacking him in his fat trap everytime I read or hear his name. He did his best to destroy this club and isn't fit to clean DJ's training boots.
I'm glad Jones went when he did, but he took us up and with some proper backing might have kept us up.
Templeton Peck
20-11-2007, 12:35
Most of DJs signings were shockers regardless of how they've done elsewhere its how they did for Wolves that counts.
Okoronkwo - signed him then didn't like him and then played when it was too late
Silas - shocking player but again not given a chance
Bjorklund
Craddock - awful for ages but has improved since Jones left
Luzhny - to be fair this looked a decent signing at the time
Jones
Gudjonnson
Roussel
Halle
Cooper
Ingimarrson - a centre back in centre mid where he did OK and got dropped
Olafinjana - overall a dissapointment given what we thought we were getting at the time. Again though has improved after Jones departure
IMHO Jones definitely wasn't backed enough when we got to the Prem and SJH admitted this but in defence of the board DJ made more poor signings than good some of whom seemed to play better without him. They had already provided him with 20 odd million quid too.
Okoronkwo - signed him then didn't like him and then played when it was too late
Silas - shocking player but again not given a chance
Bjorklund
Craddock - awful for ages but has improved since Jones left
Luzhny - to be fair this looked a decent signing at the time
Jones
Gudjonnson
Roussel
Halle
Cooper
Ingimarrson - a centre back in centre mid where he did OK and got dropped
Olafinjana - overall a dissapointment given what we thought we were getting at the time. Again though has improved after Jones departure
IMHO Jones definitely wasn't backed enough when we got to the Prem and SJH admitted this but in defence of the board DJ made more poor signings than good some of whom seemed to play better without him. They had already provided him with 20 odd million quid too.
Bend It Like Dennison
20-11-2007, 12:53
Says he choosing to forget games like Gillingham away :rolleyes:
Hmmm... funny that. Seeing as I specifically mention that game in post 99.
For every dour performance under Jones I could give you 5 under Hoddle. And he wasnt even here half as long.
Hmmm... funny that. Seeing as I specifically mention that game in post 99.
For every dour performance under Jones I could give you 5 under Hoddle. And he wasnt even here half as long.
long ball man
20-11-2007, 13:12
Glenn Hoddle is Bhatti-era aside, the person who whilst employed at WWFC has done most to damage it. Jones and all Hayward-era managers had their faults; my particular enmity being reserved for Mr McGhee but every single one of them always tried their best and gave the impression of being proud to manage the Wolves.
Hoddle's failure to even try to integrate into Wolverhampton and its community culminating in his shameful non-appearance at the Peter Broadbent dinner ensured that he built up no goodwill whatsoever at this club. So, when the time came for everyone to judge him purely on football nobody was sorry when he left...oh and by the way the football he served up was unquestionnably the most turgid since the successive relegations 1984-86.
Wolves ceased to be Wolves when he was here. I hate him with a passion and how any Wolves fan can talk about him in the same breath as Jones and other decent men we have had here it just makes me shudder.
Never again!
Hoddle's failure to even try to integrate into Wolverhampton and its community culminating in his shameful non-appearance at the Peter Broadbent dinner ensured that he built up no goodwill whatsoever at this club. So, when the time came for everyone to judge him purely on football nobody was sorry when he left...oh and by the way the football he served up was unquestionnably the most turgid since the successive relegations 1984-86.
Wolves ceased to be Wolves when he was here. I hate him with a passion and how any Wolves fan can talk about him in the same breath as Jones and other decent men we have had here it just makes me shudder.
Never again!
GoldenHorseshoe
20-11-2007, 13:16
I can't understand how anyone could even begin to defend Hoddle.
Another season of him and we'd have had attendances of 16K borderline suicidals. I feel like smacking him in his fat trap everytime I read or hear his name. He did his best to destroy this club and isn't fit to clean DJ's training boots.
I'm glad Jones went when he did, but he took us up and with some proper backing might have kept us up.
Dead right on the first line, I couldn't stand Jones, especially after he dropped the tripod in goal for his golfing buddy, BUT DJ is streets ahead of Hoddle in tactics, management skills, and don't even talk about ethics.:mad:
Another season of him and we'd have had attendances of 16K borderline suicidals. I feel like smacking him in his fat trap everytime I read or hear his name. He did his best to destroy this club and isn't fit to clean DJ's training boots.
I'm glad Jones went when he did, but he took us up and with some proper backing might have kept us up.
Dead right on the first line, I couldn't stand Jones, especially after he dropped the tripod in goal for his golfing buddy, BUT DJ is streets ahead of Hoddle in tactics, management skills, and don't even talk about ethics.:mad:
Bedford Wolf
20-11-2007, 13:20
Glenn Hoddle is Bhatti-era aside, the person who whilst employed at WWFC has done most to damage it. Jones and all Hayward-era managers had their faults; my particular enmity being reserved for Mr McGhee but every single one of them always tried their best and gave the impression of being proud to manage the Wolves.
Hoddle's failure to even try to integrate into Wolverhampton and its community culminating in his shameful non-appearance at the Peter Broadbent dinner ensured that he built up no goodwill whatsoever at this club. So, when the time came for everyone to judge him purely on football nobody was sorry when he left...oh and by the way the football he served up was unquestionnably the most turgid since the successive relegations 1984-86.
Wolves ceased to be Wolves when he was here. I hate him with a passion and how any Wolves fan can talk about him in the same breath as Jones and other decent men we have had here it just makes me shudder.
Never again!
C'mon LBM, speak your mind. We're all friends here.
Hoddle's failure to even try to integrate into Wolverhampton and its community culminating in his shameful non-appearance at the Peter Broadbent dinner ensured that he built up no goodwill whatsoever at this club. So, when the time came for everyone to judge him purely on football nobody was sorry when he left...oh and by the way the football he served up was unquestionnably the most turgid since the successive relegations 1984-86.
Wolves ceased to be Wolves when he was here. I hate him with a passion and how any Wolves fan can talk about him in the same breath as Jones and other decent men we have had here it just makes me shudder.
Never again!
C'mon LBM, speak your mind. We're all friends here.
Bend It Like Dennison
20-11-2007, 13:58
Glenn Hoddle is Bhatti-era aside, the person who whilst employed at WWFC has done most to damage it. Jones and all Hayward-era managers had their faults; my particular enmity being reserved for Mr McGhee but every single one of them always tried their best and gave the impression of being proud to manage the Wolves.
Hoddle's failure to even try to integrate into Wolverhampton and its community culminating in his shameful non-appearance at the Peter Broadbent dinner ensured that he built up no goodwill whatsoever at this club. So, when the time came for everyone to judge him purely on football nobody was sorry when he left...oh and by the way the football he served up was unquestionnably the most turgid since the successive relegations 1984-86.
Wolves ceased to be Wolves when he was here. I hate him with a passion and how any Wolves fan can talk about him in the same breath as Jones and other decent men we have had here it just makes me shudder.
Never again!
Absolutely spot on. Sums up the Hoddle era perfectly.
Hoddle's failure to even try to integrate into Wolverhampton and its community culminating in his shameful non-appearance at the Peter Broadbent dinner ensured that he built up no goodwill whatsoever at this club. So, when the time came for everyone to judge him purely on football nobody was sorry when he left...oh and by the way the football he served up was unquestionnably the most turgid since the successive relegations 1984-86.
Wolves ceased to be Wolves when he was here. I hate him with a passion and how any Wolves fan can talk about him in the same breath as Jones and other decent men we have had here it just makes me shudder.
Never again!
Absolutely spot on. Sums up the Hoddle era perfectly.
duanepipe
20-11-2007, 14:41
Glenn Hoddle turned me off football. I shan't forgive him for that.
Jones, gave me a day in Cardiff which is right up there in the 'best day's I've ever had' list.
I still wished we had pushed harder to get Redknapp. I think we could have got him if we'd have gone all out for it.
Saying that, I've no complaints about the current manager or the policy we now have. We just should have had this policy way earlier.
Jones, gave me a day in Cardiff which is right up there in the 'best day's I've ever had' list.
I still wished we had pushed harder to get Redknapp. I think we could have got him if we'd have gone all out for it.
Saying that, I've no complaints about the current manager or the policy we now have. We just should have had this policy way earlier.
Florida Wolfey
20-11-2007, 14:43
Absolutely spot on. Sums up the Hoddle era perfectly.
I don't think it does to be perfectly honest. I agree with the commnets re: getting involved with the club and the local area but I can't agree he was the guy who has done most damage or that all the football was turgid.
Again, I think people choose to remember the last 6-8 months of his time and not the first period where the team played pretty well. At the end of the 2005 season we looked a pretty good side and we were very hard to beat. The only loss in the league in 2005 till season end was away at Wigan although we also lost to Arsenal in the cup.
OK there were a lot of draws but we only failed to score in 7 games in 04/05 and we saw some convincing wins against Reading and West Ham in particular. Even in 05/06 we were doing OK until around February when the football really started to become boring. There was no pace and no passion and the fans were becoming disenchanted.
So, for me, the criticism of Hoddle is slightly unfounded. His record of 76 games, 27 wins, 15 losses and 34 draws is just as good if not better than our previous managers. His win % was 35.5% and his loss 19.7%. Jones record by comparison was a win of 40% and a loss of 32%.
I don't think it does to be perfectly honest. I agree with the commnets re: getting involved with the club and the local area but I can't agree he was the guy who has done most damage or that all the football was turgid.
Again, I think people choose to remember the last 6-8 months of his time and not the first period where the team played pretty well. At the end of the 2005 season we looked a pretty good side and we were very hard to beat. The only loss in the league in 2005 till season end was away at Wigan although we also lost to Arsenal in the cup.
OK there were a lot of draws but we only failed to score in 7 games in 04/05 and we saw some convincing wins against Reading and West Ham in particular. Even in 05/06 we were doing OK until around February when the football really started to become boring. There was no pace and no passion and the fans were becoming disenchanted.
So, for me, the criticism of Hoddle is slightly unfounded. His record of 76 games, 27 wins, 15 losses and 34 draws is just as good if not better than our previous managers. His win % was 35.5% and his loss 19.7%. Jones record by comparison was a win of 40% and a loss of 32%.
Del Woppio
20-11-2007, 14:45
We wouldn't have this policy with Redknapp in charge. We'd be buying Africans and Eastern Europeans by the dozen, and the stationary cupboard would be bereft of brown envelopes. He's a media whore, a $$$$, and in his last life was a pick pocket in Istanbul.
Florida Wolfey
20-11-2007, 14:45
Glenn Hoddle turned me off football. I shan't forgive him for that.
Jones, gave me a day in Cardiff which is right up there in the 'best day's I've ever had' list.
I still wished we had pushed harder to get Redknapp. I think we could have got him if we'd have gone all out for it.
Saying that, I've no complaints about the current manager or the policy we now have. We just should have had this policy way earlier.
So how are you feeling today? My guess is that Hoddle didn't turn you off football as you wouldn't be here.
Jones...Cardiff... can't argue with that but I still think Paul Ince deserves a lot of credit during our play off campaign as he got into the players heads and focussed them.
Policy...totally agree and I bet DJ probably wishes he did things differently as well.
Jones, gave me a day in Cardiff which is right up there in the 'best day's I've ever had' list.
I still wished we had pushed harder to get Redknapp. I think we could have got him if we'd have gone all out for it.
Saying that, I've no complaints about the current manager or the policy we now have. We just should have had this policy way earlier.
So how are you feeling today? My guess is that Hoddle didn't turn you off football as you wouldn't be here.
Jones...Cardiff... can't argue with that but I still think Paul Ince deserves a lot of credit during our play off campaign as he got into the players heads and focussed them.
Policy...totally agree and I bet DJ probably wishes he did things differently as well.
QB Wolf
20-11-2007, 14:52
In the 20 seasons I've been watching Wolves, Hoddle oversaw the worst and Jones oversaw the best. Turner had a couple of good seasons too.
If Hoddle hadn't have resigned I doubt I would be typing this today it was that bad!!
The best football we've played in that 20 years was under Jones, the most entertaining football was under Jones, yes he spent a lot of money but it was enjoyable. I can tell you this from my seat in the North Bank and various away ends, not from the other side of the atlantic!!!!
If Hoddle hadn't have resigned I doubt I would be typing this today it was that bad!!
The best football we've played in that 20 years was under Jones, the most entertaining football was under Jones, yes he spent a lot of money but it was enjoyable. I can tell you this from my seat in the North Bank and various away ends, not from the other side of the atlantic!!!!
duanepipe
20-11-2007, 14:55
I feel happier now about football in general but I'm honestly not exaggerating when I say how much Hoddle brought me down. I used to love watching games and then under Hoddle for a period I felt like there were better things to be doing. Not only that, it was the way he would try and explain himself in a 'I know more than you' manner which was to discredit the intelligence of anyone who's watched football for more than a week. I remember those 'It's not a must win game' statements he used to make and I'd think, he's not just saying that to take the pressure off the players, he really means it.
With Jones, in his latter days I was frustrated by his stubborn insistance on playing players out of position and he lost the plot tactically more than many Wolves managers I can remember. But to contrast that, I remember the season we went up I went to Forest away who were challenging in the play offs spots with us. We drew 2-2 but we totally dominated that game and it is the only time in my time watching Wolves when I was 99% certain we would be going up. We had a proper team that new how to win games. With Hoddle, I can't remember anything good. Only bad. Not even bad actually. Bland. That's worse.
Jones made some clangers. He was cautious where I don't think McCarthy is.
I watched a pre-season friendly at Mansfield when we had Derby's player of the year on trial with us. Mawene. He looked a cut above. Jones wanted to see him again before making a decision and the player moved on, siting our hesitance to move as his reason. We started that season with Bjorklund in defence. Unforgivable management. I seem to recall he did the exact same thing with the Latvian striker who looked decent and Kris Boyd who would have been perfect for us. As a trait, I didn't like that in him. He got lucky with Murray as he had to throw him in and he got super lucky with Kenny Miller - we were desperately trying to spunk our money on Akinbyi at the time, Miller came on loan and virtually forced his hand. In the end, Miller was a major factor in us getting promoted.
I don't think those are errors that the current set up seem prone to making.
With Jones, in his latter days I was frustrated by his stubborn insistance on playing players out of position and he lost the plot tactically more than many Wolves managers I can remember. But to contrast that, I remember the season we went up I went to Forest away who were challenging in the play offs spots with us. We drew 2-2 but we totally dominated that game and it is the only time in my time watching Wolves when I was 99% certain we would be going up. We had a proper team that new how to win games. With Hoddle, I can't remember anything good. Only bad. Not even bad actually. Bland. That's worse.
Jones made some clangers. He was cautious where I don't think McCarthy is.
I watched a pre-season friendly at Mansfield when we had Derby's player of the year on trial with us. Mawene. He looked a cut above. Jones wanted to see him again before making a decision and the player moved on, siting our hesitance to move as his reason. We started that season with Bjorklund in defence. Unforgivable management. I seem to recall he did the exact same thing with the Latvian striker who looked decent and Kris Boyd who would have been perfect for us. As a trait, I didn't like that in him. He got lucky with Murray as he had to throw him in and he got super lucky with Kenny Miller - we were desperately trying to spunk our money on Akinbyi at the time, Miller came on loan and virtually forced his hand. In the end, Miller was a major factor in us getting promoted.
I don't think those are errors that the current set up seem prone to making.
Kenny-11
20-11-2007, 15:13
So, for me, the criticism of Hoddle is slightly unfounded. His record of 76 games, 27 wins, 15 losses and 34 draws is just as good if not better than our previous managers. His win % was 35.5% and his loss 19.7%. Jones record by comparison was a win of 40% and a loss of 32%.
The very fact from the October of his full season I sat in the pub thinking it would be better to stay there rather than go and watch them play. The game v Crewe where people fell asleep, the game v Luton where people boo'd the extra 2 minutes added at the end of the first half. Dropping Mark Davies who had just had 4 superb games in favour of playing Ince, Anderton and Kennedy in the midfield against Man Utd. To fully appreciatte what Hoddle did to this club you had to be there. That is not a dig at all towards you just how it is. The stats do not show how awful we played in 90% of games, how we played over complicated football. Bombed out Ganea because he dioesn't fit into the way we played and got Frankowski who was the same sort of player as Ganea. Playing Cart Cort wide left, playing Kenny Miller right wing, right back, ring wing back, left wing back, central mid infact every $$$$in where except his position. A position where he scored 20 goals at this level twice.
Employing his brother to do nothing more than place cones on a pitch and then pick them and ensuring he got a new contract the day before he $$$$ed off. Thank god Moxey had decided to add a termination clause that meant they only got a small % of the wages the contract covered.
Hoddle whipped the fun from watching football, he drained every ounce of feeling from the club. he cared for no part of the club except the wage slip he got. We should have been grateful to have him in charge of us. His arrogant stance when interviewed and his awful denial of comments made by Moxey as the interviewer stood their with the programme in his hand.
He knew the score of the financial era at Wolves in April, he then got told again in may.......he then went on Holiday.........took his wages for May and June and then decided that with a little over a month to go until the season started with no new players in and 12 departed to leave. He screwed Wolves and got paid a fortune to do it.
The very fact from the October of his full season I sat in the pub thinking it would be better to stay there rather than go and watch them play. The game v Crewe where people fell asleep, the game v Luton where people boo'd the extra 2 minutes added at the end of the first half. Dropping Mark Davies who had just had 4 superb games in favour of playing Ince, Anderton and Kennedy in the midfield against Man Utd. To fully appreciatte what Hoddle did to this club you had to be there. That is not a dig at all towards you just how it is. The stats do not show how awful we played in 90% of games, how we played over complicated football. Bombed out Ganea because he dioesn't fit into the way we played and got Frankowski who was the same sort of player as Ganea. Playing Cart Cort wide left, playing Kenny Miller right wing, right back, ring wing back, left wing back, central mid infact every $$$$in where except his position. A position where he scored 20 goals at this level twice.
Employing his brother to do nothing more than place cones on a pitch and then pick them and ensuring he got a new contract the day before he $$$$ed off. Thank god Moxey had decided to add a termination clause that meant they only got a small % of the wages the contract covered.
Hoddle whipped the fun from watching football, he drained every ounce of feeling from the club. he cared for no part of the club except the wage slip he got. We should have been grateful to have him in charge of us. His arrogant stance when interviewed and his awful denial of comments made by Moxey as the interviewer stood their with the programme in his hand.
He knew the score of the financial era at Wolves in April, he then got told again in may.......he then went on Holiday.........took his wages for May and June and then decided that with a little over a month to go until the season started with no new players in and 12 departed to leave. He screwed Wolves and got paid a fortune to do it.
Space Wolf
20-11-2007, 15:41
The very fact from the October of his full season I sat in the pub thinking it would be better to stay there rather than go and watch them play. The game v Crewe where people fell asleep, the game v Luton where people boo'd the extra 2 minutes added at the end of the first half. Dropping Mark Davies who had just had 4 superb games in favour of playing Ince, Anderton and Kennedy in the midfield against Man Utd. To fully appreciatte what Hoddle did to this club you had to be there. That is not a dig at all towards you just how it is. The stats do not show how awful we played in 90% of games, how we played over complicated football. Bombed out Ganea because he dioesn't fit into the way we played and got Frankowski who was the same sort of player as Ganea. Playing Cart Cort wide left, playing Kenny Miller right wing, right back, ring wing back, left wing back, central mid infact every $$$$in where except his position. A position where he scored 20 goals at this level twice.
Employing his brother to do nothing more than place cones on a pitch and then pick them and ensuring he got a new contract the day before he $$$$ed off. Thank god Moxey had decided to add a termination clause that meant they only got a small % of the wages the contract covered.
Hoddle whipped the fun from watching football, he drained every ounce of feeling from the club. he cared for no part of the club except the wage slip he got. We should have been grateful to have him in charge of us. His arrogant stance when interviewed and his awful denial of comments made by Moxey as the interviewer stood their with the programme in his hand.
He knew the score of the financial era at Wolves in April, he then got told again in may.......he then went on Holiday.........took his wages for May and June and then decided that with a little over a month to go until the season started with no new players in and 12 departed to leave. He screwed Wolves and got paid a fortune to do it.
Sadly that's a bloody good summary of the Hoddle era.
Employing his brother to do nothing more than place cones on a pitch and then pick them and ensuring he got a new contract the day before he $$$$ed off. Thank god Moxey had decided to add a termination clause that meant they only got a small % of the wages the contract covered.
Hoddle whipped the fun from watching football, he drained every ounce of feeling from the club. he cared for no part of the club except the wage slip he got. We should have been grateful to have him in charge of us. His arrogant stance when interviewed and his awful denial of comments made by Moxey as the interviewer stood their with the programme in his hand.
He knew the score of the financial era at Wolves in April, he then got told again in may.......he then went on Holiday.........took his wages for May and June and then decided that with a little over a month to go until the season started with no new players in and 12 departed to leave. He screwed Wolves and got paid a fortune to do it.
Sadly that's a bloody good summary of the Hoddle era.
Langdale Wolf
20-11-2007, 15:43
The very fact from the October of his full season I sat in the pub thinking it would be better to stay there rather than go and watch them play. The game v Crewe where people fell asleep, the game v Luton where people boo'd the extra 2 minutes added at the end of the first half. Dropping Mark Davies who had just had 4 superb games in favour of playing Ince, Anderton and Kennedy in the midfield against Man Utd. To fully appreciatte what Hoddle did to this club you had to be there. That is not a dig at all towards you just how it is. The stats do not show how awful we played in 90% of games, how we played over complicated football. Bombed out Ganea because he dioesn't fit into the way we played and got Frankowski who was the same sort of player as Ganea. Playing Cart Cort wide left, playing Kenny Miller right wing, right back, ring wing back, left wing back, central mid infact every $$$$in where except his position. A position where he scored 20 goals at this level twice.
Employing his brother to do nothing more than place cones on a pitch and then pick them and ensuring he got a new contract the day before he $$$$ed off. Thank god Moxey had decided to add a termination clause that meant they only got a small % of the wages the contract covered.
Hoddle whipped the fun from watching football, he drained every ounce of feeling from the club. he cared for no part of the club except the wage slip he got. We should have been grateful to have him in charge of us. His arrogant stance when interviewed and his awful denial of comments made by Moxey as the interviewer stood their with the programme in his hand.
He knew the score of the financial era at Wolves in April, he then got told again in may.......he then went on Holiday.........took his wages for May and June and then decided that with a little over a month to go until the season started with no new players in and 12 departed to leave. He screwed Wolves and got paid a fortune to do it.
Not a huge fan of Glenn then, Kenny?!
Employing his brother to do nothing more than place cones on a pitch and then pick them and ensuring he got a new contract the day before he $$$$ed off. Thank god Moxey had decided to add a termination clause that meant they only got a small % of the wages the contract covered.
Hoddle whipped the fun from watching football, he drained every ounce of feeling from the club. he cared for no part of the club except the wage slip he got. We should have been grateful to have him in charge of us. His arrogant stance when interviewed and his awful denial of comments made by Moxey as the interviewer stood their with the programme in his hand.
He knew the score of the financial era at Wolves in April, he then got told again in may.......he then went on Holiday.........took his wages for May and June and then decided that with a little over a month to go until the season started with no new players in and 12 departed to leave. He screwed Wolves and got paid a fortune to do it.
Not a huge fan of Glenn then, Kenny?!
ice cream head
20-11-2007, 15:48
Jones...Cardiff... can't argue with that but I still think Paul Ince deserves a lot of credit during our play off campaign as he got into the players heads and focussed them.
True.
A great signing by Jones.
True.
A great signing by Jones.
Florida Wolfey
20-11-2007, 15:54
True.
A great signing by Jones.
LOL :)
A great signing by Jones.
LOL :)
Kenny-11
20-11-2007, 15:56
Not a huge fan of Glenn then, Kenny?!
Love the man
Love the man
Papper
20-11-2007, 16:23
I watched a pre-season friendly at Mansfield when we had Derby's player of the year on trial with us. Mawene. He looked a cut above. Jones wanted to see him again before making a decision and the player moved on, siting our hesitance to move as his reason. We started that season with Bjorklund in defence. Unforgivable management. I seem to recall he did the exact same thing with the Latvian striker who looked decent and Kris Boyd who would have been perfect for us. As a trait, I didn't like that in him. He got lucky with Murray as he had to throw him in and he got super lucky with Kenny Miller - we were desperately trying to spunk our money on Akinbyi at the time, Miller came on loan and virtually forced his hand. In the end, Miller was a major factor in us getting promoted.
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Mawene - Who?
The Latvian - Who?
Kris Boyd - Who?
Dave Jones was proved right. He always said he wouldn't buy a player who was no better than what he had got. Kennedy, Cameron, Blake, Newton, Ince, Irwin etc were good signings that got us promoted.
I'm sure Miller wasn't a second best but a defined target. Kenny was overpriced but one of our best strikers in post Bully/Mutch years. Carl Cort did good things for us when fit. Vio was Vio but a good player. Henri Camara would have been better served playing in the Championship with Wolves for a year. I think Jonesy bought two duffers in Seol and Olofinjana. The momentum had been lost when the finance wasn't three and Camara went on strike.
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Mawene - Who?
The Latvian - Who?
Kris Boyd - Who?
Dave Jones was proved right. He always said he wouldn't buy a player who was no better than what he had got. Kennedy, Cameron, Blake, Newton, Ince, Irwin etc were good signings that got us promoted.
I'm sure Miller wasn't a second best but a defined target. Kenny was overpriced but one of our best strikers in post Bully/Mutch years. Carl Cort did good things for us when fit. Vio was Vio but a good player. Henri Camara would have been better served playing in the Championship with Wolves for a year. I think Jonesy bought two duffers in Seol and Olofinjana. The momentum had been lost when the finance wasn't three and Camara went on strike.
Del Woppio
20-11-2007, 16:26
Jones bought two duffers? You really don't want to rethink that?
Munich_Wolf
20-11-2007, 16:27
I think most of us have come to exactly the same conclusion on Hoddle. He wasn't just another poor manager, he turned us all off football. I cancelled my WOW subscription because of him and had decided to spend Saturdays otherwise. It was only when MM came in and injected some life back into the place that I resubbed.
His stats against that are meaningless. Hope he comes back as a dung beetle
His stats against that are meaningless. Hope he comes back as a dung beetle
Papper
20-11-2007, 16:29
Jones bought two duffers? You really don't want to rethink that?
He spent quality money on two duffers. His other duffers were free's (Every manager buys free duffers).
Carry on ..
He spent quality money on two duffers. His other duffers were free's (Every manager buys free duffers).
Carry on ..
John
20-11-2007, 16:30
. To fully appreciatte what Hoddle did to this club you had to be there.
Oh $$$$, ain't that the truth.
Thousands of people who didn't renew thier season tickets because of Hoddle staying.
His legacy to the club will be long term and costly.
Glenn Hoddle-A cancer in football.
Oh $$$$, ain't that the truth.
Thousands of people who didn't renew thier season tickets because of Hoddle staying.
His legacy to the club will be long term and costly.
Glenn Hoddle-A cancer in football.
Del Woppio
20-11-2007, 16:36
He spent quality money on two duffers. His other duffers were free's (Every manager buys free duffers).
Carry on ..
Cort? Silas? Jones?
Carry on ..
Cort? Silas? Jones?
Papper
20-11-2007, 16:41
Cort? Silas? Jones?
Even amongst the Anti-Jones brigade it is recognised that he had a very miniscule premiership budget which led to gambles. Oakes was and always will be one of the most overpaid average players in our history. Jones cost nowt but had experience and was abused by the South Bank. Cort was good but Silas was a gamble. He made a similar gamble on Camara and they dont always come off. Jones team in the Premiership showed all the battling traits we get off Mick. He did all he could.
Even amongst the Anti-Jones brigade it is recognised that he had a very miniscule premiership budget which led to gambles. Oakes was and always will be one of the most overpaid average players in our history. Jones cost nowt but had experience and was abused by the South Bank. Cort was good but Silas was a gamble. He made a similar gamble on Camara and they dont always come off. Jones team in the Premiership showed all the battling traits we get off Mick. He did all he could.
Templeton Peck
20-11-2007, 16:43
Mawene - Who?
The Latvian - Who?
Kris Boyd - Who?
Dave Jones was proved right. He always said he wouldn't buy a player who was no better than what he had got. Kennedy, Cameron, Blake, Newton, Ince, Irwin etc were good signings that got us promoted.
I'm sure Miller wasn't a second best but a defined target. Kenny was overpriced but one of our best strikers in post Bully/Mutch years. Carl Cort did good things for us when fit. Vio was Vio but a good player. Henri Camara would have been better served playing in the Championship with Wolves for a year. I think Jonesy bought two duffers in Seol and Olofinjana. The momentum had been lost when the finance wasn't three and Camara went on strike.
Mawene went on to be Preston's player of the year in a position where we were weak.
Jones had already been given a shed load to get us up in the first place and then spent the most of any manager in the division the summer after we got relegated. McCarthy has signed Kightly, Foley, Henry and Keogh for less than 1.5M - its not all about finance and the manager has to take some responsibility but moaning about money was all we ever heard from Jones. Reading and WBA have both managed to stay up in recent years without throwing mega bucks at the team.
The Latvian - Who?
Kris Boyd - Who?
Dave Jones was proved right. He always said he wouldn't buy a player who was no better than what he had got. Kennedy, Cameron, Blake, Newton, Ince, Irwin etc were good signings that got us promoted.
I'm sure Miller wasn't a second best but a defined target. Kenny was overpriced but one of our best strikers in post Bully/Mutch years. Carl Cort did good things for us when fit. Vio was Vio but a good player. Henri Camara would have been better served playing in the Championship with Wolves for a year. I think Jonesy bought two duffers in Seol and Olofinjana. The momentum had been lost when the finance wasn't three and Camara went on strike.
Mawene went on to be Preston's player of the year in a position where we were weak.
Jones had already been given a shed load to get us up in the first place and then spent the most of any manager in the division the summer after we got relegated. McCarthy has signed Kightly, Foley, Henry and Keogh for less than 1.5M - its not all about finance and the manager has to take some responsibility but moaning about money was all we ever heard from Jones. Reading and WBA have both managed to stay up in recent years without throwing mega bucks at the team.
duanepipe
20-11-2007, 16:45
Mawene - Who?
"What a season it has proved for Youl Mawene after falling out of contract at Derby the Frenchman turned down a move to Leicester and headed for Deepdale to help bolster a much needed defence.
Having impressively played in all Northends games this season, a total of 49, Mawene has managed to put in solid performances scoring 2 goals and only picking up 5 yellow cards.
So at this years awards ceremory for the players it probably came as no surprise that the Frenchman would pick up a few awards, but to collect 4 from a possible 5 is pretty impressive in his first season.
Mawene went home with Fans Player of the Year, Players' Player of the Year, SMS Fans Vote.
Preston finished fourth in that year. We started the season with Bjorklund, lurched into Okoronkwo.
The Latvian - Who?
"Maris Verpakovskis was on trial at Wolves in 2003 and just 12 months after his rejection carries his country's expectations into Euro 2004.
Verpakovskis was the star of Latvia's surprise qualification with decisive goals against Sweden and Turkey. He then starred for Skonto in three championship-winning campaigns and is fast becoming Latvia's first football superstar.
Kris Boyd - Who?
"Kirs Boyd is the second fastest Rangers player ever to reach 50 goals for the club, behind Jim Forrest
Dave Jones was proved right. He always said he wouldn't buy a player who was no better than what he had got. Kennedy, Cameron, Blake, Newton
Of course he was. The three players I mention are obviously light years behind the giants of the game you highlight.
"What a season it has proved for Youl Mawene after falling out of contract at Derby the Frenchman turned down a move to Leicester and headed for Deepdale to help bolster a much needed defence.
Having impressively played in all Northends games this season, a total of 49, Mawene has managed to put in solid performances scoring 2 goals and only picking up 5 yellow cards.
So at this years awards ceremory for the players it probably came as no surprise that the Frenchman would pick up a few awards, but to collect 4 from a possible 5 is pretty impressive in his first season.
Mawene went home with Fans Player of the Year, Players' Player of the Year, SMS Fans Vote.
Preston finished fourth in that year. We started the season with Bjorklund, lurched into Okoronkwo.
The Latvian - Who?
"Maris Verpakovskis was on trial at Wolves in 2003 and just 12 months after his rejection carries his country's expectations into Euro 2004.
Verpakovskis was the star of Latvia's surprise qualification with decisive goals against Sweden and Turkey. He then starred for Skonto in three championship-winning campaigns and is fast becoming Latvia's first football superstar.
Kris Boyd - Who?
"Kirs Boyd is the second fastest Rangers player ever to reach 50 goals for the club, behind Jim Forrest
Dave Jones was proved right. He always said he wouldn't buy a player who was no better than what he had got. Kennedy, Cameron, Blake, Newton
Of course he was. The three players I mention are obviously light years behind the giants of the game you highlight.
Del Woppio
20-11-2007, 16:46
Jones cost £150k
Gamble or not, it's either a $$$$ signing or it isn't. Silas was a $$$$ signing.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-Dave Jones. He had his limitations, and didn't work within them - that was his big problem. All in all, his time at Wolves will be remembered fondly by me.
Gamble or not, it's either a $$$$ signing or it isn't. Silas was a $$$$ signing.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-Dave Jones. He had his limitations, and didn't work within them - that was his big problem. All in all, his time at Wolves will be remembered fondly by me.
Essex Wolf
20-11-2007, 16:52
Even amongst the Anti-Jones brigade it is recognised that he had a very miniscule premiership budget which led to gambles. Oakes was and always will be one of the most overpaid average players in our history. Jones cost nowt but had experience and was abused by the South Bank. Cort was good but Silas was a gamble. He made a similar gamble on Camara and they dont always come off. Jones team in the Premiership showed all the battling traits we get off Mick. He did all he could.
I agree he didn't have a lot to spend compared with some Prem clubs but he still had more than some. Problem is he wasted most of what he had.
I agree he didn't have a lot to spend compared with some Prem clubs but he still had more than some. Problem is he wasted most of what he had.
Papper
20-11-2007, 16:57
"What a season it has proved for Youl Mawene after falling out of contract at Derby the Frenchman turned down a move to Leicester and headed for Deepdale to help bolster a much needed defence.
Having impressively played in all Northends games this season, a total of 49, Mawene has managed to put in solid performances scoring 2 goals and only picking up 5 yellow cards. So at this years awards ceremory for the players it probably came as no surprise that the Frenchman would pick up a few awards, but to collect 4 from a possible 5 is pretty impressive in his first season.Mawene went home with Fans Player of the Year, Players' Player of the Year, SMS Fans Vote.Preston finished fourth in that year. We started the season with Bjorklund, lurched into Okoronkwo.
We were aiming higher than PNE . He was not better than what he we already had and this has since been proved.
"Maris Verpakovskis was on trial at Wolves in 2003 and just 12 months after his rejection carries his country's expectations into Euro 2004.
Verpakovskis was the star of Latvia's surprise qualification with decisive goals against Sweden and Turkey. He then starred for Skonto in three championship-winning campaigns and is fast becoming Latvia's first football superstar.
Where is he now? He was another that was no better than we had.
"Kirs Boyd is the second fastest Rangers player ever to reach 50 goals for the club, behind Jim Forrest
Average player that was no better than what we had (SPL is turge) and who's to say Jones was outpriced IN THE BIDDING? Thankfully ..
Having impressively played in all Northends games this season, a total of 49, Mawene has managed to put in solid performances scoring 2 goals and only picking up 5 yellow cards. So at this years awards ceremory for the players it probably came as no surprise that the Frenchman would pick up a few awards, but to collect 4 from a possible 5 is pretty impressive in his first season.Mawene went home with Fans Player of the Year, Players' Player of the Year, SMS Fans Vote.Preston finished fourth in that year. We started the season with Bjorklund, lurched into Okoronkwo.
We were aiming higher than PNE . He was not better than what he we already had and this has since been proved.
"Maris Verpakovskis was on trial at Wolves in 2003 and just 12 months after his rejection carries his country's expectations into Euro 2004.
Verpakovskis was the star of Latvia's surprise qualification with decisive goals against Sweden and Turkey. He then starred for Skonto in three championship-winning campaigns and is fast becoming Latvia's first football superstar.
Where is he now? He was another that was no better than we had.
"Kirs Boyd is the second fastest Rangers player ever to reach 50 goals for the club, behind Jim Forrest
Average player that was no better than what we had (SPL is turge) and who's to say Jones was outpriced IN THE BIDDING? Thankfully ..
Hibbitt was King
20-11-2007, 16:57
Great to see the new generation of Molineux Mixers duffing up the anti-Jones old guard :)
Sorry, Florida - I can only think you defend Hoddle at all because you didn't see first-hand the mind-numbing boring football served up.
Sorry, Florida - I can only think you defend Hoddle at all because you didn't see first-hand the mind-numbing boring football served up.
SaleWolf
20-11-2007, 17:07
The very fact from the October of his full season I sat in the pub thinking it would be better to stay there rather than go and watch them play. The game v Crewe where people fell asleep, the game v Luton where people boo'd the extra 2 minutes added at the end of the first half. Dropping Mark Davies who had just had 4 superb games in favour of playing Ince, Anderton and Kennedy in the midfield against Man Utd. To fully appreciatte what Hoddle did to this club you had to be there. That is not a dig at all towards you just how it is. The stats do not show how awful we played in 90% of games, how we played over complicated football. Bombed out Ganea because he dioesn't fit into the way we played and got Frankowski who was the same sort of player as Ganea. Playing Cart Cort wide left, playing Kenny Miller right wing, right back, ring wing back, left wing back, central mid infact every $$$$in where except his position. A position where he scored 20 goals at this level twice.
Employing his brother to do nothing more than place cones on a pitch and then pick them and ensuring he got a new contract the day before he $$$$ed off. Thank god Moxey had decided to add a termination clause that meant they only got a small % of the wages the contract covered.
Hoddle whipped the fun from watching football, he drained every ounce of feeling from the club. he cared for no part of the club except the wage slip he got. We should have been grateful to have him in charge of us. His arrogant stance when interviewed and his awful denial of comments made by Moxey as the interviewer stood their with the programme in his hand.
He knew the score of the financial era at Wolves in April, he then got told again in may.......he then went on Holiday.........took his wages for May and June and then decided that with a little over a month to go until the season started with no new players in and 12 departed to leave. He screwed Wolves and got paid a fortune to do it.
Absolutely spot on.
Jones had his faults but there is no comparison to Hoddle. He drained all the fun out of me watching my club. If he had not resigned, the team would have been playing in front of record low crowds mark my words.
Employing his brother to do nothing more than place cones on a pitch and then pick them and ensuring he got a new contract the day before he $$$$ed off. Thank god Moxey had decided to add a termination clause that meant they only got a small % of the wages the contract covered.
Hoddle whipped the fun from watching football, he drained every ounce of feeling from the club. he cared for no part of the club except the wage slip he got. We should have been grateful to have him in charge of us. His arrogant stance when interviewed and his awful denial of comments made by Moxey as the interviewer stood their with the programme in his hand.
He knew the score of the financial era at Wolves in April, he then got told again in may.......he then went on Holiday.........took his wages for May and June and then decided that with a little over a month to go until the season started with no new players in and 12 departed to leave. He screwed Wolves and got paid a fortune to do it.
Absolutely spot on.
Jones had his faults but there is no comparison to Hoddle. He drained all the fun out of me watching my club. If he had not resigned, the team would have been playing in front of record low crowds mark my words.
duanepipe
20-11-2007, 17:08
We were aiming higher than PNE . He was not better than what he we already had and this has since been proved.
Clearly. We were awash with quality centre backs when we kicked off the Premiership season.
Since been proved? How exactly.
Maris Verpakovskis was voted player of year for Dynamo Kiev in 2004.
As for Kris Boyd. Are you saying you don't think Boyd would get in our team now?
With regard to where are they now?
I'd say they're doing a tad better than Kennedy, Cameron, Blake, Newton who you sited as being superior.
Clearly. We were awash with quality centre backs when we kicked off the Premiership season.
Since been proved? How exactly.
Maris Verpakovskis was voted player of year for Dynamo Kiev in 2004.
As for Kris Boyd. Are you saying you don't think Boyd would get in our team now?
With regard to where are they now?
I'd say they're doing a tad better than Kennedy, Cameron, Blake, Newton who you sited as being superior.
Templeton Peck
20-11-2007, 17:11
Hoddle was an absolute cac head and everyone who says the football was terrible are correct. I remember being the only bloke in the pub with a grin on his face after England lost on penalties having just recieved one of the greatest text messages ever - 'Hoddle resigns!'.
Papper
20-11-2007, 17:15
Clearly. We were awash with quality centre backs when we kicked off the Premiership season.
Since been proved? How exactly.
Listen prikhead, Jones didn't have the cash to buy better than what he had.
Maris Verpakovskis was voted player of year for Dynamo Kiev in 2004.
Big deal. Kiev will always qualify - they dont have competition prikhead
As for Kris Boyd. Are you saying you don't think Boyd would get in our team now?
After an illuminating and industrious Scotland career? NO BETTER THAN WHAT WE ALREADY HAD PRIKHEAD
Since been proved? How exactly.
Listen prikhead, Jones didn't have the cash to buy better than what he had.
Maris Verpakovskis was voted player of year for Dynamo Kiev in 2004.
Big deal. Kiev will always qualify - they dont have competition prikhead
As for Kris Boyd. Are you saying you don't think Boyd would get in our team now?
After an illuminating and industrious Scotland career? NO BETTER THAN WHAT WE ALREADY HAD PRIKHEAD
Templeton Peck
20-11-2007, 17:25
Listen prikhead, Jones didn't have the cash to buy better than what he had.
Big deal. Kiev will always qualify - they dont have competition prikhead
After an illuminating and industrious Scotland career? NO BETTER THAN WHAT WE ALREADY HAD PRIKHEAD
Mawene was on a free and he spent 1.7m on Craddock.
Earlier someone (possibly not you) was using the fact that Oko and Iversen were now in the Champions League in support of Jones. Iversen playes for Rosenborg (will always qualify) and Oko plays for FC Moscow. In any case Jones didn't like either of them dropping one just as he hit form.
Big deal. Kiev will always qualify - they dont have competition prikhead
After an illuminating and industrious Scotland career? NO BETTER THAN WHAT WE ALREADY HAD PRIKHEAD
Mawene was on a free and he spent 1.7m on Craddock.
Earlier someone (possibly not you) was using the fact that Oko and Iversen were now in the Champions League in support of Jones. Iversen playes for Rosenborg (will always qualify) and Oko plays for FC Moscow. In any case Jones didn't like either of them dropping one just as he hit form.
duanepipe
20-11-2007, 17:28
Big deal. Kiev will always qualify - they dont have competition prikhead
What's qualifying got to do with anything you cretinous pillock. He was voted their player of the year. He was also Latvia's top scorer in a Euro qualifying campaign. International level not good enough for you either?
After an illuminating and industrious Scotland career? NO BETTER THAN WHAT WE ALREADY HAD PRIKHEAD
Kris Boyd not better than Hassan Kachloul. You really know your football don't you. Imbecile.
Didn't have the cash?
Mawene was on a free. That's free. PNE got him. For free.
The Latvian went for £1m.
Boyd could easily have been purchased by a prem side in our position.
Flap some more. You might take off.
What's qualifying got to do with anything you cretinous pillock. He was voted their player of the year. He was also Latvia's top scorer in a Euro qualifying campaign. International level not good enough for you either?
After an illuminating and industrious Scotland career? NO BETTER THAN WHAT WE ALREADY HAD PRIKHEAD
Kris Boyd not better than Hassan Kachloul. You really know your football don't you. Imbecile.
Didn't have the cash?
Mawene was on a free. That's free. PNE got him. For free.
The Latvian went for £1m.
Boyd could easily have been purchased by a prem side in our position.
Flap some more. You might take off.
Florida Wolfey
20-11-2007, 17:33
Great to see the new generation of Molineux Mixers duffing up the anti-Jones old guard :)
Sorry, Florida - I can only think you defend Hoddle at all because you didn't see first-hand the mind-numbing boring football served up.
You are, of course, right. I didn't see Wolves live more than half a dozen times under Hoddle and then a few more times on TV. I did endure 90% of games via Wolves World and I would totally agree that the football in the last 6 mths of his reign was mind numbing. That said, I do think that some folks forget the 2004/5 season when the football wasn't mind numbing. In fact I seem to remember a lot of fans enjoying it...partic. the 4-2 thrashing of Sheff Utd at the last game of that season which then gave a lot of people hope for the following season.
You're wrong re: Jones though. ;)
Sorry, Florida - I can only think you defend Hoddle at all because you didn't see first-hand the mind-numbing boring football served up.
You are, of course, right. I didn't see Wolves live more than half a dozen times under Hoddle and then a few more times on TV. I did endure 90% of games via Wolves World and I would totally agree that the football in the last 6 mths of his reign was mind numbing. That said, I do think that some folks forget the 2004/5 season when the football wasn't mind numbing. In fact I seem to remember a lot of fans enjoying it...partic. the 4-2 thrashing of Sheff Utd at the last game of that season which then gave a lot of people hope for the following season.
You're wrong re: Jones though. ;)
Papper
20-11-2007, 19:05
Mawene was on a free and he spent 1.7m on Craddock.
I belive he bought Craddock first and Mawene was no better and still isn't.
I belive he bought Craddock first and Mawene was no better and still isn't.
Papper
20-11-2007, 19:08
What's qualifying got to do with anything you cretinous pillock. He was voted their player of the year. He was also Latvia's top scorer in a Euro qualifying campaign. International level not good enough for you either?
And he's no better than we had you thick clown. If he was any good he wouldn't be playing for Kiev?
Kris Boyd not better than Hassan Kachloul. You really know your football don't you. Imbecile.
What the hell has a free transfer of Kachloul got to do with a provenly average player like Boyd?
Didn't have the cash?
Mawene was on a free. That's free. PNE got him. For free.
The Latvian went for £1m.
And for the umpteenth time THEY ARE NO BETTER THAN WHAT WE ALREADY HAD
Boyd could easily have been purchased by a prem side in our position.
So why wasn't he you moron?
And he's no better than we had you thick clown. If he was any good he wouldn't be playing for Kiev?
Kris Boyd not better than Hassan Kachloul. You really know your football don't you. Imbecile.
What the hell has a free transfer of Kachloul got to do with a provenly average player like Boyd?
Didn't have the cash?
Mawene was on a free. That's free. PNE got him. For free.
The Latvian went for £1m.
And for the umpteenth time THEY ARE NO BETTER THAN WHAT WE ALREADY HAD
Boyd could easily have been purchased by a prem side in our position.
So why wasn't he you moron?
duanepipe
20-11-2007, 19:53
In your opinion they are not better than we had already.
Your opinion has been proven wrong. We got relegated with that team so you have no justifcation for saying the players we didn't sign were no better than the ones we had. If we had stayed up, you might have an argument.
You reckon the Wolves team of 2004 was as good as the Dinamo Kiev team of the same age?
So why wasn't he you moron?Because Jones opted not to sign him.
I belive he bought Craddock first and Mawene was no better and still isn't.Difference being one cost £1.7m and was a disaster in the prem. The other won every single player award at his club finishing 4th in the division below - and WAS FREE. Calculon. Can you add up?
"I was training with Wolves and they were very keen to sign me there, but as soon as I came up here I had a chat with the manager, with the chairman and the people here and I felt that there is a strong desire here. It was an easy choice for me to join"
Translation: Jones wanted to have another look, Preston moved in.
Your opinion has been proven wrong. We got relegated with that team so you have no justifcation for saying the players we didn't sign were no better than the ones we had. If we had stayed up, you might have an argument.
You reckon the Wolves team of 2004 was as good as the Dinamo Kiev team of the same age?
So why wasn't he you moron?Because Jones opted not to sign him.
I belive he bought Craddock first and Mawene was no better and still isn't.Difference being one cost £1.7m and was a disaster in the prem. The other won every single player award at his club finishing 4th in the division below - and WAS FREE. Calculon. Can you add up?
"I was training with Wolves and they were very keen to sign me there, but as soon as I came up here I had a chat with the manager, with the chairman and the people here and I felt that there is a strong desire here. It was an easy choice for me to join"
Translation: Jones wanted to have another look, Preston moved in.
Cosmo Kramer
20-11-2007, 20:38
Mawene - Who?
I think Jonesy bought two duffers in Seol and Olofinjana.
WTF ?
I think Jonesy bought two duffers in Seol and Olofinjana.
WTF ?
Atlas 1951
21-11-2007, 00:41
I don't think it's far fetched to imagine that with Murray and Lescott playing even half a season each we might have picked of seven more points. That would have saved us.
For how long, though, is another matter. This is the problem with rentakit football. A couple of players injured and you're stuffed; a couple of players leave and you're stuffed. Jones' bench was full of disregarded players who were off their game and feeling isolated; half of the team was close to retirement. I know it has been done (Pompey, for example), but every season with a set-up like that is a step into the unknown. It's not difficult to imagine us being in the position we are now but with SJH still in charge because after debts incurred he couldn't afford to just give the club away.
For how long, though, is another matter. This is the problem with rentakit football. A couple of players injured and you're stuffed; a couple of players leave and you're stuffed. Jones' bench was full of disregarded players who were off their game and feeling isolated; half of the team was close to retirement. I know it has been done (Pompey, for example), but every season with a set-up like that is a step into the unknown. It's not difficult to imagine us being in the position we are now but with SJH still in charge because after debts incurred he couldn't afford to just give the club away.
Black Suit
21-11-2007, 00:56
Says he choosing to forget games like Gillingham away :rolleyes:
Big opinion, but because of circumstances cannot attend. Leave it FW. Hoddle did not get us playing good football, that must include goals, oooooooooooops.
Jones lost sod all, and did entertain us on the way, heartbreak and an enormous high. He earned the money back that he spent so cut the crap. The Board have accepted the blame for not investing enough after the Cardiff dream, so let us leave that too.
Big opinion, but because of circumstances cannot attend. Leave it FW. Hoddle did not get us playing good football, that must include goals, oooooooooooops.
Jones lost sod all, and did entertain us on the way, heartbreak and an enormous high. He earned the money back that he spent so cut the crap. The Board have accepted the blame for not investing enough after the Cardiff dream, so let us leave that too.
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