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Can not believe with the talent England has available we are reduced to playing 4-5-1 are we so afraid of losing to Wales, we will play a formation England has never played (I Think) with a Brilliant Striker Rooney was never (I Think) played as a lone striker.
4-5-1 is about not losing and hoping you can nick they game one Nil, Chealski play this boring football, yes it wins them games, but com on give me 4-3 every day, I love our 4-3-3 formation and glad to see Man U have adopted it has wellsmileys/smiley17.gif3 strikers Brillant, like Brazil, so what that you score 3 goals we will score 4.
TV money is killing the Premiership, with teams so worried obout losing revenue, they will kill there football.
So Mr Erikson if you are so worried about England losing to Wales, because you do not know how to give 11 overpaid players a kick up the $$$$, after they rolled over against Denmark, I suggest you step down now.
peckhamwolf
01-09-2005, 23:21
4-5-1 is defensive to teams who play with a defensive style.
you could play 4-5-1 with 4 attacking midfield players, one holding, then effectively you have 5 forward players in advanced areas of the pitch. Is that defensive?
People read too much into formations. Let's see what style of play SGE adopts before judging whether this formation is boring or not.
What a rubbish thread!
4-5-1 is not a defensive formation, unless a team makes it a defensive formation! As Peckham said it depends on the style of play employed!
Man Utd's formation that you seem to adore so much is exactly the same as Chelsea's 'boring' formation! In attack it's 4-3-3, in defence it's 4-5-1! Much the same as it will be with England!
And I don't like the bloke, but give Sven some credit! We needed to change something, and he has identified this and is trying to find the right formula to take into the World Cup, I'd rather he made changes than just leave it the same!
well I hope you are right, but playing 5 in midfield is more about the other side not being able to play, playing 3 strikers is more about scoring.
Like I said I hope you are right, but all to often we see teams at Molineux play that formation to try and stop us.
I just think that this is a system designed to Stop Wales and to keep Beckham in the starting 11, because should we lose to Wales the press will want Eriksons Head
peckhamwolf
01-09-2005, 23:36
So would you say SWP and Joe Cole are going to be employed in specific roles and positions where they are required to stop Wales from playing? smileys/smiley9.gif
You can not believe that playing 1 striker instead of 2/3 is not more defensive, Joe Cole or SWP will never be expected to score 20 goals, because they are not strikers, yes they are attaching midfielders ans can score goals so will Lampard, Gerrard and Beckham, but this system is considered more defensive then 4-4-2.
You play to your strenghs, If England fall a goal behind, Wales could shut up shop, England is stronger then that, and I would never compare Man U formation with Chelsea 3 strikers to 1 they are very different.
Still I agree this is more to do with Beckham
peckhamwolf
01-09-2005, 23:58
CW you clearly don't understand this concept and I'm too tired to sit here explaining it- can someone else carry on please?
lostinbristol
02-09-2005, 00:04
You play to your strenghs
Of which one of ours is a wealth of quality midlfielders.
Can't see your problem with this formation to be honest, I'm excited by
the fact he's not just doing the usual 442, it's about time it was
tinkered with. I can see us playing some proper sexy football
with this formation...fingers crossed
The only downside imo, is that if we don't have a great game, the
formation will more than likely be dismissed and straight back to the
442 without question because it's England.
I understand very well, there can be nothing more Simple then the fact playing with 1 striker is more defensive, but the proof is to watch England go 4-4-2 if Wales take the Lead, watch how other Premiership teams who play 4-5-1Switch to 4-4-2 when they go behind, but like you am tired and like you I do not pick the teams or players and like you I have the choice to watch or not,
Goodnight friendsmileys/smiley12.gif
Taffywolf
02-09-2005, 06:28
Bit early to start worrying.. smileys/smiley4.gif
smileys/smiley2.gif
Paris Wolf
02-09-2005, 06:59
Nice one, Taffywolf!
I'd heard it was going to be 3-5-2 myself:
.........................................Gordon... .......... .................................
......................Weir..............Dailly.... .......... Webster....................
McNamara.......................................... .......... ..............Alexander
.........................................Ferguson. .......... .................................
...............Fletcher........................... .......... .........Quashie...............
..........................McFadden................ .......... .Miller.........................
With wee Faddy hopefully doing all the running for Kenny.
rugbywolf
02-09-2005, 07:16
i will tell you when i get back from the match how
boring england were smileys/smiley17.gif
though to be honest this match isnt as important for
us as the russian play off match as it is merely a
meaningless local derby .For us its about rebuilding
for the next euros.
still want to win though smileys/smiley2.gif
will be flying my welsh wolves flag as usual
IMO there are two possible reasons for this formation:
1/ With Chelsea players becoming the backbone of the side, we're playing the same system they play week in week out.
2/ It's the only way he can keep Beckham in the team.
Can't for the life of me see why Defoe isn't starting.
Sven out
paddingtonwolf
02-09-2005, 07:52
can't for the life of me see why Beckham is starting
What is wrong with trying:
..............................Robinson
....Carragher/Campbell/Whoever......Ferdinand.......Terry
SWP............................................... .......... .........................Cole
.....................................Parker
.......................Lampard.................... ....Gerrar d
......................Rooney
.............................................Owen/Defoe
Silly me, in picking in form/decent players I appear to have dropped Beckham. Oh well, lets have a 4-5-1.Edited by: LIQ IV
hampshire wolf
02-09-2005, 08:56
John Terry is injured....
And owen is out, I am not talking about this game in particular, just in general.
westlyNTR
02-09-2005, 08:58
What is wrong with trying:
..............................Robinson
$
....Carragher/Campbell/Whoever......Ferdinand.......
Terry
$
SWP............................................... ..........
.........................Cole
.....................................Parker
$
.......................Lampard.................... ....Gerrar d
$
......................Rooney
.............................................Owen/Defoe
Silly me, in picking in form/decent players I appear
to have dropped Beckham.$ Oh well, lets have a
4-5-1.
Lescott for Ferdinand and Naylor for Terry and you
may have a half decent team there.
hampshire wolf
02-09-2005, 09:03
I did realise that but thought i'd bung it in anyway....
Following the Wolves formation i'd go.....
******************ROBINSON*****************
YOUNG*******FERDINAND****CARRAGHER****A.COLE
***********BECKHAM*****GERRARD************
******************LAMPARD*****************
***SWP*****************************J.COLE
******************ROONEY******************
hampshire wolf
02-09-2005, 09:05
Actually....That will be the team won't it????
The only difference then in my team is the way the midfield 3 play.
Why dont you stickOwen on the wing so we can moan at him for not scoring smileys/smiley2.gif
hampshire wolf
02-09-2005, 09:11
Why dont you stickOwen on the wing so we can moan at him for not scoring smileys/smiley2.gif
I'm glad you said WE.....smileys/smiley1.gif
Moan about Owen for not scoring? Its already been done.
Stick him right wing in Hampshires formation and we can moan even more, its a win-win.
hampshire wolf
02-09-2005, 09:22
With Owen available on wednesday will they change the formation again???? If they don't would Rooney play wide?
With Owen available on wednesday will they change the formation again???? If they don't would Rooney play wide?
Without doubt. Sven don't leave his favourites out when they are available for selection.
hampshire wolf
02-09-2005, 09:28
Apart from Beckham i don't think there is anybody else playing that shouldn't be is there?????
I actually think Beckham will do o.k in the 3 man midfield....
I personally wouldn't drop Beckham but am referring to past selections.
The man is a joke.
Bankswolf II
02-09-2005, 09:45
A negative formation for a negative manager, I personally fail to understand how we are going to be able to get any goals with any Rooney up front who lets be honest will probably be marked as the one real dangerman.
Given the team that will be playing tomorrow i'll be very surprised if the game shows anything more exciting than a dull 0-0 draw against a team who really we should be at least sticking 2 strikers against given the defenders they have arent exactly world class
As a spectator from outside I believe that the problem with England is the attitude towardsthe game.Ericksson has done nothing to deal with it. If you aren't strong mentally there's no tactic that can save you in the pitch.
You can put many offensive players and play counterattack (Brazil does it) or you can put a 4-5-1 with players pressing up front and create many chances. Anyway I think playing one man up front (Rooney or John Doe)is to give a huge advantage. At least he dropped Calamity James.
Black Suit
03-09-2005, 12:56
4-5-1 does not mean a flat 5 across the middle, there would be too many players getting in each others way!
So it depends how the midfield is structured, with wingers, or two pushing on, or even three pushing on.
You cannot say it is going to be defensive at all YET.
derbyrameater
03-09-2005, 14:07
well nuts to England, no tv coverage they have taken the slimeballs money and fuq the fans not even any highlights, and the same will happen with cricket and I hate that man..smileys/smiley7.gifsmileys/smiley7.gif
Well I said I would wait to be proved wrong on the 4-5-1 formation, after I was told I was talking rubbish.
Still waiting
What a rubbish thread!
4-5-1 is not a defensive formation, unless a team makes it a defensive formation! As Peckham said it depends on the style of play employed!
Man Utd's formation that you seem to adore so much is exactly the same as Chelsea's 'boring' formation! In attack it's 4-3-3, in defence it's 4-5-1! Much the same as it will be with England!
And I don't like the bloke, but give Sven some credit! We needed to change something, and he has identified this and is trying to find the right formula to take into the World Cup, I'd rather he made changes than just leave it the same!
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what a $$$$$$
BlahBlah
08-09-2005, 05:34
The point should really be....4-5-1 is something you employ away from
home when the opposition is going to attack you. You flood the
midfield to break up the other team's possession, and ONLY if they're
good opposition. Your ONE striker HAS to be good at holding the ball
up, to allow his team mates to join the attack. That rules out
OWEN and DEFOE immediately.
However, when the opposition is determined to keep 9 men behind the
ball at all times, it's a totally redundant formation, defensive and
unambitious. It's also a LAZY formation. Your team might enjoy
greater possession, but you're reduced to working out long range
shooting opportunities, because there's virtually no chance of your ONE
striker beating NINE defenders. The 9 defenders only have to keep
their discipline, hold their shape, get a toe to the ball and wallop it
upfield. Clubs have been doing that to Wolves all season.
That's why Wales and N.I played that way FFS. They both played
their tactics as the AWAY team, waiting for England to use their far
far superior players to attack them from all angles. Which we didn't
$$$$in' well do.
The real disgrace is that SGE has proved himself to be so inflexible
and stubborn it's embarrassing. The tactician has lost all credibilty,
forgotten the plot in traditionally horrific Graham Taylor style.
Wulfhere
08-09-2005, 07:51
To play this kind of system you need a player up front who can hold the
ball up. Owen is the last person in the world who I would play as
a lone striker in this type of formation. I have to agree with thoses
who say that is appears to be a way of playing all his favoured
players and that is not a good reason.
In my view we have a real problem at the moment in trying to fit Rooney
into the side, he does not appear to have a position and we will have
to design the team around him. I thought that ending up with Gerrard
out on the left was a shocking waste of his ability. SGE has got to
start making some tough choices and realise the the best 11 players do
not result in the best team.
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westlyNTR
08-09-2005, 07:54
Owen is the last person in the
world who I would play as
a lone striker in this type of formation.
Neil Emblem??
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