peckhamwolf
01-09-2005, 20:04
Since the Moxey must go demonstrations last year, has Jez changed your mind about justifying his salary, and why, or do you still feel he is a useless waste of space and money?
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Guests
01-09-2005, 20:14
Since you ask - no. And he is visually distasteful. Longer answer to follow...
Florida Wolfey
01-09-2005, 20:23
My opinion of Jez is really no different to last year. He is a CEO doing a good job for our club. He's in a position where he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't....the nature of football no doubt....or is it the nature of the British public?
The club has a healthy balance sheet, is able to spend money on players ifit chooses, has a good squad for the division it's in, is currently looking a good bet for the play offs and has one of the best managers / coaches in the country. Further, the academy is churning out the talent and this will improve further still with the addition of the training ground.
All that remains is for the supporters to remain patient and not have unrealistic expectations. It takes time to build a football club and I think SJH and the Board have finally worked out where they were going wrong.
The club has a healthy balance sheet, is able to spend money on players ifit chooses, has a good squad for the division it's in, is currently looking a good bet for the play offs and has one of the best managers / coaches in the country. Further, the academy is churning out the talent and this will improve further still with the addition of the training ground.
All that remains is for the supporters to remain patient and not have unrealistic expectations. It takes time to build a football club and I think SJH and the Board have finally worked out where they were going wrong.
wolf of sedgley
01-09-2005, 20:25
TBF i'd except 500k a year even if i had to have everyone hating me.
EasternWolf
01-09-2005, 21:27
TBF i'd except 500k a year even if i had to have everyone hating me.
hmmm ...then you could get a spell checker ...
hmmm ...then you could get a spell checker ...
Bankswolf II
01-09-2005, 21:29
I dont think anyone in football fully justify their salary consdiering how much they get paid and how little they really do.
EasternWolf
01-09-2005, 21:29
Florida Wolfey ...I agree .. good man doing a good job. It is not his fault that drunken morons decided to blame him for matters outside of his job description. I'd give him more.
dartfordwolf
01-09-2005, 21:58
I think he's doing a good job, for all of the bad decisions he has made
there are probably a 100 more that he has made behind the scenes that
have benefited the club.
there are probably a 100 more that he has made behind the scenes that
have benefited the club.
Serge_Romano
01-09-2005, 22:06
We're doing well in the league, have plenty of money and are allowed to
spend this money on players should the need arise. He's doing a
fine job.
spend this money on players should the need arise. He's doing a
fine job.
Rhoswolf
01-09-2005, 22:22
Who says we have lots of money, a healthy balance sheet etc? We have reported a loss in 3 of the last 4 years.
QB quoted
2001/2 2002/3 2003/04 2004/05
<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><?:NAMESPACE PREFIX = O /><?:NAMESPACE PREFIX = O /><O:P></O:P>
Profit /Loss 000s 4,476 9,212 5,179 179
Furthermore,I seem to recall when interviewed earlier in the year JM stating they are planning for a loss again this season. Have I missed something, other than the rat's transfer fee?
QB quoted
2001/2 2002/3 2003/04 2004/05
<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><?:NAMESPACE PREFIX = O /><?:NAMESPACE PREFIX = O /><O:P></O:P>
Profit /Loss 000s 4,476 9,212 5,179 179
Furthermore,I seem to recall when interviewed earlier in the year JM stating they are planning for a loss again this season. Have I missed something, other than the rat's transfer fee?
Covwolf
01-09-2005, 23:25
Has an Employer does any employee every justify there wages.
Guests
01-09-2005, 23:40
Has an Employer does any employee every justify there wages.
The above sentence does not make any sense in any context. I doubt your business credentials CW.
The above sentence does not make any sense in any context. I doubt your business credentials CW.
Covwolf
01-09-2005, 23:49
Has an Employer does any employee every justify there wages.
The above sentence does not make any sense in any context. I doubt your business credentials CW.
WhatI mean do you justify your wages, to you yes, to others ?, since most on her do not earn £500,000 per year I doubt if anybody feels earning that amount is justified, but clearly the Wolves board do.
I on the other hand overpay my staffsmileys/smiley36.gif, but then I am such a nice guysmileys/smiley1.gif
The above sentence does not make any sense in any context. I doubt your business credentials CW.
WhatI mean do you justify your wages, to you yes, to others ?, since most on her do not earn £500,000 per year I doubt if anybody feels earning that amount is justified, but clearly the Wolves board do.
I on the other hand overpay my staffsmileys/smiley36.gif, but then I am such a nice guysmileys/smiley1.gif
Guests
02-09-2005, 00:01
Nobody is worth that amount of money.
Reluctantly, I have to admit that Jez does seem to be doing a good job.
However, I do think there are areas for improvement.
Jezseems to bean extremely arrogant and patronising person. He appears to be utterly devoid of empathy. Some of his comments about the fans - both in relation to booing, and also in how lucky they are to pay £500 for an ST - are beyond the pale.
His commercial ruthlessness is inappropriate. Mascots should be FREE. Wolves World to should be free to STH. I should not have to register to view the wolves web site on the off chance I'll tell them when my motor insurance is due.
I agree that Wolves is a business, but part of it's product is a club. I pay £500 pa to join that club, and yet I feel completely and utterly isolated from it. I actually feel more part of the MM club - -which perhaps explains the reason why it is so popular?
Employing that utterly detestable moron who does the half time entertainment and keeps nearly saying the F-word, is an insult to 22,000 intelligences. The fact that that bloke is still in a job reduces my faith in the human race.
In short plan A looks on track, but a couple of injuries, a mid-table finish - and we'll be lucky to sell 13,000 ST next season. I do hope there is a plan B.
Reluctantly, I have to admit that Jez does seem to be doing a good job.
However, I do think there are areas for improvement.
Jezseems to bean extremely arrogant and patronising person. He appears to be utterly devoid of empathy. Some of his comments about the fans - both in relation to booing, and also in how lucky they are to pay £500 for an ST - are beyond the pale.
His commercial ruthlessness is inappropriate. Mascots should be FREE. Wolves World to should be free to STH. I should not have to register to view the wolves web site on the off chance I'll tell them when my motor insurance is due.
I agree that Wolves is a business, but part of it's product is a club. I pay £500 pa to join that club, and yet I feel completely and utterly isolated from it. I actually feel more part of the MM club - -which perhaps explains the reason why it is so popular?
Employing that utterly detestable moron who does the half time entertainment and keeps nearly saying the F-word, is an insult to 22,000 intelligences. The fact that that bloke is still in a job reduces my faith in the human race.
In short plan A looks on track, but a couple of injuries, a mid-table finish - and we'll be lucky to sell 13,000 ST next season. I do hope there is a plan B.
Guests
02-09-2005, 00:04
Has an Employer does any employee every justify there wages.
The above sentence does not make any sense in any context. I doubt your business credentials CW.
WhatI mean do you justify your wages, to you yes, to others ?, since most on her do not earn £500,000 per year I doubt if anybody feels earning that amount is justified, but clearly the Wolves board do.
I on the other hand overpay my staffsmileys/smiley36.gif, but then I am such a nice guysmileys/smiley1.gif
Why don't you dictate your postsfor one of them to type in for you?
The above sentence does not make any sense in any context. I doubt your business credentials CW.
WhatI mean do you justify your wages, to you yes, to others ?, since most on her do not earn £500,000 per year I doubt if anybody feels earning that amount is justified, but clearly the Wolves board do.
I on the other hand overpay my staffsmileys/smiley36.gif, but then I am such a nice guysmileys/smiley1.gif
Why don't you dictate your postsfor one of them to type in for you?
Argwolf
02-09-2005, 00:10
Forsomeone behind a desk managing some stuff... Is way too much money, wheter he does his job well or not.
RAY STUBBS
02-09-2005, 00:17
WHAT MONEY HE GOT FROM CAMARA WAS GREAT BUSINESS.
Guests
02-09-2005, 00:20
WHAT MONEY HE GOT FROM CAMARA WAS GREAT BUSINESS.
Actually signing him at all was a mistake. The money we got from him in no way compensates for the damage caused to Wolves reputation.
Actually signing him at all was a mistake. The money we got from him in no way compensates for the damage caused to Wolves reputation.
peckhamwolf
02-09-2005, 00:23
WHAT MONEY HE GOT FROM CAMARA WAS GREAT BUSINESS.
Actually signing him at all was a mistake.$ The money we got from him in no way compensates for the damage caused to Wolves reputation.
No-one outside of Wolverhampton actually knows or cares about the whole fiasco, apart from Wilie Mackay and Mohammed, Titi and Aboubacar Camara or whatever his family back swotting flies in Dakar wandering where their next pair of shoes or meal is going to come from are calledEdited by: peckhamwolf
Actually signing him at all was a mistake.$ The money we got from him in no way compensates for the damage caused to Wolves reputation.
No-one outside of Wolverhampton actually knows or cares about the whole fiasco, apart from Wilie Mackay and Mohammed, Titi and Aboubacar Camara or whatever his family back swotting flies in Dakar wandering where their next pair of shoes or meal is going to come from are calledEdited by: peckhamwolf
Black Suit
02-09-2005, 00:24
NO.
RAY STUBBS
02-09-2005, 00:25
WHAT MONEY HE GOT FROM CAMARA WAS GREAT BUSINESS.
Actually signing him at all was a mistake. The money we got
from him in no way compensates for the damage caused to Wolves
reputation.
THAT POST MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE THIS
A FOOLISH VERSION OF SKELETOR
http://koalicija.blog.hr/slike/00566.jpg
Actually signing him at all was a mistake. The money we got
from him in no way compensates for the damage caused to Wolves
reputation.
THAT POST MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE THIS
A FOOLISH VERSION OF SKELETOR
http://koalicija.blog.hr/slike/00566.jpg
Covwolf
02-09-2005, 00:26
Has an Employer does any employee every justify there wages.
The above sentence does not make any sense in any context. I doubt your business credentials CW.
WhatI mean do you justify your wages, to you yes, to others ?, since most on her do not earn £500,000 per year I doubt if anybody feels earning that amount is justified, but clearly the Wolves board do.
I on the other hand overpay my staffsmileys/smiley36.gif, but then I am such a nice guysmileys/smiley1.gif
Why don't you dictate your postsfor one of them to type in for you?
Still smarting I see
The above sentence does not make any sense in any context. I doubt your business credentials CW.
WhatI mean do you justify your wages, to you yes, to others ?, since most on her do not earn £500,000 per year I doubt if anybody feels earning that amount is justified, but clearly the Wolves board do.
I on the other hand overpay my staffsmileys/smiley36.gif, but then I am such a nice guysmileys/smiley1.gif
Why don't you dictate your postsfor one of them to type in for you?
Still smarting I see
Guests
02-09-2005, 00:27
WHAT MONEY HE GOT FROM CAMARA WAS GREAT BUSINESS.
Actually signing him at all was a mistake. The money we got from him in no way compensates for the damage caused to Wolves reputation.
THAT POST MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE THIS
A FOOLISH VERSION OF SKELETOR
http://koalicija.blog.hr/slike/00566.jpg
THAT's YOUR MUM THAT IS...
Actually signing him at all was a mistake. The money we got from him in no way compensates for the damage caused to Wolves reputation.
THAT POST MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE THIS
A FOOLISH VERSION OF SKELETOR
http://koalicija.blog.hr/slike/00566.jpg
THAT's YOUR MUM THAT IS...
Black Suit
02-09-2005, 00:30
I refer you all to my previous answer.........................
As CEO of this club we adore, he has overseen some woeful business strategies, transactions and policies. I hope DJ is interviewed soon, so that he can blow the lid off Moxey's 'holier than thou' stance.
DJ and his team created a wish list of players they wanted to sign, for 'he of the pie' to go and negotiate terms. So essentially, it JM himself that overspent as DJ was never allowed to negotiate fees and salaries. I would also like to know a little more about who was on the wish list versus who we actually signed, as the wrong mix from that wish list could be disastrous - like missing a key ingredient from a recipe.
BTW, I certainly do not lay all the blame at JM's door here, but after 26/5 as the summer went on, I bet DJ was almost grateful just to see any new faces at all with the injuries he had to cope with at Molineux.
There has been public recognition about the lack of support two years ago, moreso from SJH and Rick (one R5 Live interview in particular). Without the budget to spend at that time, DJ had to look at the bargain 'Bosmans' until the paying public got restless and suddenly we managed to panic buy another overpriced 'star'.
Then of course he oversaw the exodus of players who were frustrated at the contract negotiations being left to the close season. Negotiations could have taken which division we were going to be in, into consideration. Instead we lost some players very cheaply indeed, with the false economy of 'cutting our cloth' when we had to pay transfer fees for their replacements!
The way he has endeared himself to the supporters is stunning. I realise that there are supporters across the whole <?:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><ST1:COUNTRY-REGIoN w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE w:st="on">UK</ST1:PLACE></ST1:COUNTRY-REGIoN> that criticise their board, but as CEO he runs the ship, if he doesn't he is not CEO. He will point to sound decisions that have raised money for the club, like the premium rate ticket hotlines, the sponsorships, the kit (quality and brand, let alone a shocking design, peeling logos etc).
Le Coq Sportif is a brand that enjoyed it's peak many moons ago, it is permanently on the '<ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><ST1:CITY w:st="on">Sale</ST1:CITY></ST1:PLACE>' racks at JJB. <?:namespace prefix = v ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" /></V:IMAGE></V:SHAPE>One of the more popular brands; Nike, Adidas, moreso than Umbro, would probably have lead to more replica sales albeit on a lower margin
As CEO of this club we adore, he has overseen some woeful business strategies, transactions and policies. I hope DJ is interviewed soon, so that he can blow the lid off Moxey's 'holier than thou' stance.
DJ and his team created a wish list of players they wanted to sign, for 'he of the pie' to go and negotiate terms. So essentially, it JM himself that overspent as DJ was never allowed to negotiate fees and salaries. I would also like to know a little more about who was on the wish list versus who we actually signed, as the wrong mix from that wish list could be disastrous - like missing a key ingredient from a recipe.
BTW, I certainly do not lay all the blame at JM's door here, but after 26/5 as the summer went on, I bet DJ was almost grateful just to see any new faces at all with the injuries he had to cope with at Molineux.
There has been public recognition about the lack of support two years ago, moreso from SJH and Rick (one R5 Live interview in particular). Without the budget to spend at that time, DJ had to look at the bargain 'Bosmans' until the paying public got restless and suddenly we managed to panic buy another overpriced 'star'.
Then of course he oversaw the exodus of players who were frustrated at the contract negotiations being left to the close season. Negotiations could have taken which division we were going to be in, into consideration. Instead we lost some players very cheaply indeed, with the false economy of 'cutting our cloth' when we had to pay transfer fees for their replacements!
The way he has endeared himself to the supporters is stunning. I realise that there are supporters across the whole <?:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><ST1:COUNTRY-REGIoN w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE w:st="on">UK</ST1:PLACE></ST1:COUNTRY-REGIoN> that criticise their board, but as CEO he runs the ship, if he doesn't he is not CEO. He will point to sound decisions that have raised money for the club, like the premium rate ticket hotlines, the sponsorships, the kit (quality and brand, let alone a shocking design, peeling logos etc).
Le Coq Sportif is a brand that enjoyed it's peak many moons ago, it is permanently on the '<ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><ST1:CITY w:st="on">Sale</ST1:CITY></ST1:PLACE>' racks at JJB. <?:namespace prefix = v ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" /></V:IMAGE></V:SHAPE>One of the more popular brands; Nike, Adidas, moreso than Umbro, would probably have lead to more replica sales albeit on a lower margin
Vic the Greek
02-09-2005, 00:31
WHAT MONEY HE GOT FROM CAMARA WAS GREAT BUSINESS.
Actually signing him at all was a mistake. The money we got from him in no way compensates for the damage caused to Wolves reputation.
No way was signing Camara a mistake - We made a big profit on him when we sold him - He proved he was worth the money when he played for us - there was no way anyone could predict his antics after our relegation - what wolves reputation was damaged -
Mistakes are when you sign Rob Taylor smileys/smiley5.gif
Actually signing him at all was a mistake. The money we got from him in no way compensates for the damage caused to Wolves reputation.
No way was signing Camara a mistake - We made a big profit on him when we sold him - He proved he was worth the money when he played for us - there was no way anyone could predict his antics after our relegation - what wolves reputation was damaged -
Mistakes are when you sign Rob Taylor smileys/smiley5.gif
Guests
02-09-2005, 00:36
Mistakes are when DJ wants Julius Aghawala and Jez signs Isaac Okoronkwo by mistake. And DJ refuses to play him. Allegedly.
Vic the Greek
02-09-2005, 00:51
Jez justifies his salary as much as almost any current footballer - and probably more than most.
Whether any of the people in this business of football actually justify the money they are being paid is a completely separate argument smileys/smiley5.gif
Whether any of the people in this business of football actually justify the money they are being paid is a completely separate argument smileys/smiley5.gif
IMAB
02-09-2005, 01:09
there was no way anyone could predict his antics after our relegation
Strictly speaking, as he had done the exact same thing at his previous club,Sedan, (which is how we ended up signing him), then ,yes it could.
Strictly speaking, as he had done the exact same thing at his previous club,Sedan, (which is how we ended up signing him), then ,yes it could.
Snowy
02-09-2005, 08:02
Jez isn't on £500K a year, this is a figure from our promotion year when he received huge bonuses.
EasternWolf
02-09-2005, 08:43
In any case £500K really isn't that much after tax and having lots of money creates massive responsibilities.
Tomasz
02-09-2005, 08:45
His main remit, I understand, is to make this club into a profitable
business. He's failed, therefore not justifying his salary...
business. He's failed, therefore not justifying his salary...
LIQ IV
02-09-2005, 09:11
Jez isn't on £500K a year, this is a figure from our promotion year when he received huge bonuses.
Why am I not surprised it took until page 2 for someone to correct the opening post? Does Jez justify his salary? About as much as any of our players, managers and coaches do.
A less dull question would be, do our scouts justify theirs?
Why am I not surprised it took until page 2 for someone to correct the opening post? Does Jez justify his salary? About as much as any of our players, managers and coaches do.
A less dull question would be, do our scouts justify theirs?
Balti Pie
02-09-2005, 09:13
If the figure quoted earlier are correct, I believe we have made a £5M profit over the last 2 years??? I really believe the financial sitution would have been a lot worse without JM.
Also as someone has mentioned, he is not on 500k a year. This was the figure he received in our promotion season.
Also as someone has mentioned, he is not on 500k a year. This was the figure he received in our promotion season.
hampshire wolf
02-09-2005, 09:46
[QUOTE=LIQ IV}
A less dull question would be, do our scouts justify theirs?[/QUOTE]
Serious question..... Do we actually have a scout on the payroll???
A less dull question would be, do our scouts justify theirs?[/QUOTE]
Serious question..... Do we actually have a scout on the payroll???
hampshire wolf
02-09-2005, 09:50
I might master the quote thingy one day.....smileys/smiley5.gif
LIQ IV
02-09-2005, 09:50
In answer to your question.....good question!
basher
02-09-2005, 10:02
So another thread who's title bears no relation to the current position!
Captainwolf
02-09-2005, 10:17
It takes time to build a football club and I think
SJH and the Board have finally worked out where they were going wrong.
Not before time.
How long has SJH owned the club? How long has Jez been CEO?
SJH and the Board have finally worked out where they were going wrong.
Not before time.
How long has SJH owned the club? How long has Jez been CEO?
Captainwolf
02-09-2005, 10:23
In any case £500K really isn't that much after tax
and having lots of money creates massive responsibilities.
Just give me the chance. I think I could cope with the responsibilities. I
might be able to afford a financial adviser and - maybe - even a solicitor.
smileys/smiley2.gif
and having lots of money creates massive responsibilities.
Just give me the chance. I think I could cope with the responsibilities. I
might be able to afford a financial adviser and - maybe - even a solicitor.
smileys/smiley2.gif
PumpkinEater
02-09-2005, 10:49
The simple fact is that a club/business the size of Wolves needs someone at the helm with relevant experience, business accumen and broad shoulders, used to dealing with other people of the same ilk. Unfortunately, £500k is the going rate it seems. The salary is a product of the environment/market sector within which Moxey works.
The question is, does any CEO deserve that kind of wedge?
The question is, does any CEO deserve that kind of wedge?
basher
02-09-2005, 10:51
He does not earn £500k a year!!!
Essex Wolf
02-09-2005, 10:55
Moxey just does the job the powers that be tell him to and for me he does a good at it.He gets a lot of flak for working to a remit that is set for him by others.
The money he has made and saved on the Camara deal alone justifies his income as far as I'm concerned and I bet in a working week he puts in a lot more hours than all 1st team players at the club some of whom are on far more income.
The money he has made and saved on the Camara deal alone justifies his income as far as I'm concerned and I bet in a working week he puts in a lot more hours than all 1st team players at the club some of whom are on far more income.
Captainwolf
02-09-2005, 11:32
[QUOTE=PumpkinEater]
The simple fact is that a club/business the
size of Wolves needs someone at the helm with relevant experience,
business accumen and broad shoulders, used to dealing with other
people of the same ilk. Unfortunately, £500k is the going rate it seems.
The salary is a product of the environment/market sector within which
Moxey works.
$
The question is, does any CEO deserve that kind of wedge? [/
QUOTE]
I would suggest 10% of the quoted £500,000 as a basic (plus usual
benefits) might be more appropriate and then bonuses based upon both
the overall financial and sporting position of the club. If the total figure
then approached £500,000, so be it.
Far too many top 'earners' receive over inflated salaries IMHO. When the
business goes 'tits up' they invariably walk off to another similar position
to accumulate even more.
The simple fact is that a club/business the
size of Wolves needs someone at the helm with relevant experience,
business accumen and broad shoulders, used to dealing with other
people of the same ilk. Unfortunately, £500k is the going rate it seems.
The salary is a product of the environment/market sector within which
Moxey works.
$
The question is, does any CEO deserve that kind of wedge? [/
QUOTE]
I would suggest 10% of the quoted £500,000 as a basic (plus usual
benefits) might be more appropriate and then bonuses based upon both
the overall financial and sporting position of the club. If the total figure
then approached £500,000, so be it.
Far too many top 'earners' receive over inflated salaries IMHO. When the
business goes 'tits up' they invariably walk off to another similar position
to accumulate even more.
Molineuxmessiah
02-09-2005, 11:33
I think Moxey is doing an ok job. I just hope that if we do go up this season, he actually rewards the loyal fans who have stuck by the club this season, rather than the johnny come latelys who can't be bothered to turn up for the less attractive fixtures at the Mol.
Season ticket prices to be frozen for all current holders but increased to £500 or more for those without.
Season ticket prices to be frozen for all current holders but increased to £500 or more for those without.
