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Wolv3nsam
13-10-2007, 10:45
Does anybody know which channel the Cyprus vs Wales game is on? I've looked on Sky Sports 1, 2, ITV2 and Eurosport. It's not one of those games you can watch on Sky via clicking the red button is it? If so then I don't think I'll be able to watch it as we have Virgin Media.
The Outsider
13-10-2007, 11:17
Hi. It's on S4C, channel 134 on Sky Digital, not sure about cable. With Welsh commentary, i believe...
The Bear
13-10-2007, 11:23
http://www.livesportontv.com/sportindex.php?id=1
S4C - Whatever that is? I haven't even noticed a webstream for it either.
Wonder Boyo
13-10-2007, 11:35
S4C is the Welsh equivalent of Channel 4. I think that is the only channel the Wales game is being shown on today. A good website for finding which channels football is on is...
http://www.livesportontv.com/sportindex.php?id=1
Swinford Wolf
13-10-2007, 11:54
Is it on the Comedy Channel ?
Wolv3nsam
13-10-2007, 11:58
Ahh that's poop, I wanted to see how Freddy would get on ;) Oh well, cheers guys. I'll have to see if I can find a livestream or something.
Thanks for that link, I'll bookmark it!
You might be able to tune into S4C manually, even outside of Wales.
http://www.wildsat.com/astra.htm
cooper_J
13-10-2007, 17:58
I tell you what Eastwood is getting a right panning on BBC Cymru for his lack of work rate.
"Plays at his own pace" & "No workrate off the ball".
Withdrawn for Earnshaw after 60mins. Watched bits of the game-Wales were shocking. Eastwood looked well off the pace and unfit.
So whats up with the Kid? Overrated or his attitude?
Keogh starting on the right for the Irish.
So, barring a massive improvement on Wednesday against San Marino, surely it has to be Keogh and Bothroyd against Charlton..?
Definitely going for Jay and Keogh. Looks like Eastwood is a massive flop. Hope I'm wrong but how many games does he need to step up and show us what he can do. Can't blame his fitness.
He has ability (as proved earlier in the season for club and country) but his attitude is the problem and he's moping around the pitch to little effect at the moment. I'm surprised it's carried over to international level. I would have expected him to raise his game for Wales and show Mick what he's been missing, but instead it seems he can't even get enthused about a Euro championship qualifier.
Yes I expected him to bust his gut while playing for Wales to prove MM wrong and because of Tosh sticking up for him . He's obviously not mentally strong. MM must have seen something in him to part with 1.5 million and Eastwood isn't doing himself any justice whatsoever. In my view Eastwood has dropped to the bottom of the pecking order at Wolves.
Evolution Wolf
13-10-2007, 19:07
when your off the pace its usally down to the fact that ur not playing regularly. from what i saw of the game he wa playing very deep. dont know what the comentators where saying because i dont speek welsh. strange game too watch, didn't understand commentary, almost empty stadium which meant no atmosphereand gernerally poor game.
What's the resolution then? Do we get rid and cut our losses? Or gamble and hope he turns it round but could equally get even worse and we lose the majority of our investment?
Wolv3nsam
13-10-2007, 19:15
What's the resolution then? Do we get rid and cut our losses? Or gamble and hope he turns it round but could equally get even worse and we lose the majority of our investment?
I think it's too early to say we're going to sell him, perhaps his confidence has just taken quite a knock?
Well as it stands it's to early to think about selling him. He is a new player and sometimes it takes players a while to bed in. Maybe he's finding the step up difficult. If MM was to sell in the January Window he wouldn't get no where near the figure he payed and I would be surprised if any team in the Championship would come in for him. I think patience is the key with Eastwood. While Fred's playing like this he's warming the bench as MM as already stated that he's impressed with Jays attitude.
leedswolf
13-10-2007, 19:20
Cyprus 3 Wales 1
:D:D:D:D
Evolution Wolf
13-10-2007, 19:28
i want him to succeed here because he has got exceptional potential but unlocking it is the problem, i think we should give him the second half againt Charlton alongside bothroyd and see if playing with him makes a difference.
i want him to succeed here because he has got exceptional potential but unlocking it is the problem, i think we should give him the second half againt Charlton alongside bothroyd and see if playing with him makes a difference.
I want him to succeed at Wolves too. The only chance of Eastwood getting 45 minutes against Charlton is if were 3 nil up at Half time and that won't happen. I reckon he might get 15 minutes if he's lucky.
Wolv3nsam
13-10-2007, 19:41
Are there actually any quotes from MM saying how impressed he is with Jay's attitude?
I remember reading a couple IN the Express&Star just recently and Jay does look a happy man.
we love jez moxey
13-10-2007, 20:44
i think he's homesick. I know this might sound a bit silly considoring he's a gypsy, but coming up here has become a complete change of life for him. Its probably knocked his confidence with mick preaching the fact that elliot and keogh are our best partnership, and his constant digs in press conferences. In pre season i was drooling at the thought of jay and freddy terrifying defences, but i don't think mick will give it a try because of his cast iron stubbornness
Wolv3nsam
13-10-2007, 20:52
i think he's homesick. I know this might sound a bit silly considoring he's a gypsy, but coming up here has become a complete change of life for him. Its probably knocked his confidence with mick preaching the fact that elliot and keogh are our best partnership, and his constant digs in press conferences. In pre season i was drooling at the thought of jay and freddy terrifying defences, but i don't think mick will give it a try because of his cast iron stubbornness
I can understand the thought that Freddy may be home-sick, it takes all players a while to settle into their new club and some take to it more than others. Foley has settled in well where as Elliot and Freddy are struggling.
derbyrameater
13-10-2007, 22:00
I`ve never met a traveller who was short on confidence..and who would buy him?
Evolution Wolf
13-10-2007, 22:12
i still think Jay and Freddy are the future of wolves with keogh playin behind the 2 cant see Elliot in the long term
Freddy will come good. In a months time it might be a complete turnaround.
OldWolvesfart
13-10-2007, 22:42
Watched about 30 minutes, he was palying deep, to instructions I assume.
Thought his first touch and control when played to his feet was very good, isn't that his game ball to feet?
People may laugh but we may well have to sign another striker in January if the likes of Eastwood and Bothroyd don't raise their game.
I think MM knew that anyway he did try to sign a target man more than once. We need a big bustling target man to give us a different dimension.
berrysafro2
14-10-2007, 00:58
Sign another striker in Jan?
Do you think anyone will be willing to come to the club simply to sit on the bench,only given a few minutes at the end of a game,and to then be publicly slagged off by MM?
Those who are questioning the ability and attitude of Eastwood are the ficklest of the fickle. Usual Suspects. Played in two very $$$$ teams ie the one last night and the one against Hull and becomes the scapegoat both times. Hero to zero in a space of four/five weeks - sums up the mentality of some who follow football.
Evolution Wolf
14-10-2007, 07:02
Watched about 30 minutes, he was palying deep, to instructions I assume.
Thought his first touch and control when played to his feet was very good, isn't that his game ball to feet?
yes exactly the point iv made many times before
westonwolves
14-10-2007, 11:03
Sign another striker in Jan?
Do you think anyone will be willing to come to the club simply to sit on the bench,only given a few minutes at the end of a game,and to then be publicly slagged off by MM?
Yes, I think many a striker would join Wolves and play for a Manager who is respected and admired by 99% of Wolves fans and generally throughout football.
Even the 1% who doubted Mick have gone very quiet in the last 7 days probably because after watching Eastwood's inept performance against Coventry, they realise that Mick was completely justified.
westonwolves
14-10-2007, 11:08
Those who are questioning the ability and attitude of Eastwood are the ficklest of the fickle. Usual Suspects. Played in two very $$$$ teams ie the one last night and the one against Hull and becomes the scapegoat both times. Hero to zero in a space of four/five weeks - sums up the mentality of some who follow football.
Sorry the fickle ones are those that made Eastwood a hero in the first place as ammunition to attack Mick!
In my opinion, these are the 'fans' who have heaped the most pressure on Eastwood and have probably contributed to his poor performances.
I would support an Wolves player who gives 100% but to make a player a 'hero' after half a dozen games including some lacklustre performances is daft!
Swinford Wolf
14-10-2007, 11:18
People may laugh but we may well have to sign another striker in January if the likes of Eastwood and Bothroyd don't raise their game.
We may well need to sign a new striker in January , but how the hell are Eastwood & Bothroyd supposed to raise their games whilst sitting on their backsides on the bench ? :confused:
westonwolves
14-10-2007, 12:04
We may well need to sign a new striker in January , but how the hell are Eastwood & Bothroyd supposed to raise their games whilst sitting on their backsides on the bench ? :confused:
sorry but Eastwood was not sitting on the bench in the 2nd half against Coventry! although he may as well as have been for the contribution he made!
Sorry the fickle ones are those that made Eastwood a hero in the first place as ammunition to attack Mick!
In my opinion, these are the 'fans' who have heaped the most pressure on Eastwood and have probably contributed to his poor performances.
I would support an Wolves player who gives 100% but to make a player a 'hero' after half a dozen games including some lacklustre performances is daft!
You give up on people too easily. A common trait amongst the fickle element. It takes longer to become a hero than it does to become a zero. I like Eastwood, particularly because he is exciting to watch and scores goals (stating the obvious i know). Taylor tried to turn SGB into a target man but it didn't work.
Mick and his players have done the job since the Hull game, without Eastwood and one or two others but i am not writing anybody off just yet and am not looking to scapegoat, especially a quality player like Eastwood.
SaleWolf
14-10-2007, 13:33
Eastwood will come good imo. I think his confidence has taken a bit of a knock of late and he just needs a few consecutive games in the side to sort himself out.
The problem being i don't think he'll get those consecutive games that he needs because Mccarthy will most likely start Bothroyd with Keogh next week.
Eastwood will come good imo. I think his confidence has taken a bit of a knock of late and he just needs a few consecutive games in the side to sort himself out.
The problem being i don't think he'll get those consecutive games that he needs because Mccarthy will most likely start Bothroyd with Keogh next week.
If Eastwood does not fit into Mick's ethic of what constitutes a member of his team then he is best sold. If i was Eastwood i would feel i have NOTHING to prove and i would be severely $$$$ed off at the moment. Why did he sign him in the first place - was it because we needed a big signing to sell season tickets and initial targets had gone and the Wolves panicked. It's a crazy situation very much tempered by the results of the last four games.
GoldenHorseshoe
14-10-2007, 13:52
Yes, I think many a striker would join Wolves and play for a Manager who is respected and admired by 99% of Wolves fans and generally throughout football.
Even the 1% who doubted Mick have gone very quiet in the last 7 days probably because after watching Eastwood's inept performance against Coventry, they realise that Mick was completely justified.
That's a very optimistic percentage there (99% that is). He needs to pick his performance up and keep his trap shut to reach this level.
westonwolves
14-10-2007, 14:48
That's a very optimistic percentage there (99% that is). He needs to pick his performance up and keep his trap shut to reach this level.
I am talking about 99% of all Wolves fans, not those who write on here!
Most fans understand what you get with MM which is a passionate and tough talking Yorkshire man who does sometimes put his foot in it.
westonwolves
14-10-2007, 14:56
You give up on people too easily. A common trait amongst the fickle element. It takes longer to become a hero than it does to become a zero.
This was exactly the point that I was trying make Papper with regard to some of those who were writing MM off after 9 games.
I have not given up on Eastwood but like you, I wouldn't yet describe him as a 'hero'. Far from it in fact
For me McCarthy deserves the status of 'hero' far more because of the way he turned the club around after Hoddle. That doesn't mean he is fire proof and can't be criticised but for fans to be turn against him in favour of a player like Eastwood (or even Bothroyd for that matter)was ridiculous and far more FICKLE!
Most fans understand what you get with MM which is a passionate and tough talking Yorkshire man who does sometimes put his foot in it.
He hasn't put his foot in it though. You have to give the bloke credit since what he promised actually happened. His relationship with the supporters has never really been questioned as shown by the moronic poles that were placed on here. That doesn't mean to say we shouldn't have some empathy with Eastwood and Ward D. The team come first.
For me McCarthy deserves the status of 'hero' far more because of the way he turned the club around after Hoddle. That doesn't mean he is fire proof and can't be criticised but for fans to be turn against him in favour of a player like Eastwood (or even Bothroyd for that matter)was ridiculous and far more FICKLE!
McCarthy has done NOTHING yet. Last season he was as swept along on a tidal wave of apathy as the rest of us. So far this season i have seen no real improvement. He brought in two quality strikers but we still dont look like scoring. McCarthy wont paper over cracks this season but unless this recent upturn is consistent he will fast become a zero. I'm on the fence.
westonwolves
14-10-2007, 15:05
He hasn't put his foot in it though. You have to give the bloke credit since what he promised actually happened. His relationship with the supporters has never really been questioned as shown by the moronic poles that were placed on here. That doesn't mean to say we shouldn't have some empathy with Eastwood and Ward D. The team come first.
Papper, the more I read your posts the more I tend think we're singing from the same hymn sheet. As I said earlier, the fans who used Eastwood to get at MM, did him no favours at all and just heaped pressure on Freddie.
As you stated it is team game and McCarthy consistently showed he can get the most out of the team which is why he is so popular.
What would be your forward lineup on Saturday?
What would be your forward lineup on Saturday?
If all fit i would pick Elliott and Keogh but i would be very interested to see Jarvis and Kightly supplying for Bothroyd and Eastwood. Olofinjana and Henry are playing well. I dont actually want to see Andy Keogh dropped i just to see him put the odd one in the net.
it would seem the only time a manager is any good is when hes winning every game with fast flowing, high scoring football. give mick and the players time, there not world beaters and have never tried to say they are, just a honest bunch of triers. mick doesnt deal in players who stand around to be admired, but hardworkers who compliment any talent they have with graft. i like to see skill but a player as to show his commitment, ryan giggs being a perfect example, thats why hes still in fergies team when other players with a profile just as high have been moved on. i would love to see freddie and jay show there skills with a higher workrate. jay as shown he can achieve this, but still as a problem with consistency. after the second half at coventry and his brief showing at leicester i was disappointed by freddie in not showing more determination and hope after a period of settling in he can rectify this part of his game. weve seen with previous managers that signing skilled players doesnt always make a good team. lets go down micks way where no individual is greater than the team, it may work.
westonwolves
14-10-2007, 15:56
it would seem the only time a manager is any good is when hes winning every game with fast flowing, high scoring football. give mick and the players time, there not world beaters and have never tried to say they are, just a honest bunch of triers. mick doesnt deal in players who stand around to be admired, but hardworkers who compliment any talent they have with graft. i like to see skill but a player as to show his commitment, ryan giggs being a perfect example, thats why hes still in fergies team when other players with a profile just as high have been moved on. i would love to see freddie and jay show there skills with a higher workrate. jay as shown he can achieve this, but still as a problem with consistency. after the second half at coventry and his brief showing at leicester i was disappointed by freddie in not showing more determination and hope after a period of settling in he can rectify this part of his game. weve seen with previous managers that signing skilled players doesnt always make a good team. lets go down micks way where no individual is greater than the team, it may work.
Wallace, I 100% agree with what you say here! Having said that I honestly think that Ive seen more exciting and better quality football with MM compared to under Hoddle & Jones.
Black Suit
14-10-2007, 16:04
Well as it stands it's to early to think about selling him. He is a new player and sometimes it takes players a while to bed in. Maybe he's finding the step up difficult. If MM was to sell in the January Window he wouldn't get no where near the figure he payed and I would be surprised if any team in the Championship would come in for him. I think patience is the key with Eastwood. While Fred's playing like this he's warming the bench as MM as already stated that he's impressed with Jays attitude.
Step up, what bloody step up? He's scored more goals at this level that Keogh, Bothroyd and a few more put together.
Have a word....
Step up, what bloody step up? He's scored more goals at this level that Keogh, Bothroyd and a few more put together.
Have a word....
Your living in the past. Yes he's scored a few goals but apart from the goals his performances haven't been good enough I'm afraid. When playing away from home the whole team has to put in a shift and Eastwood style of play recently contributes absolutely nothing at all. The manager sees it, Tosh even saw it. Most of the fans see it. Why can't you see it? I like Fred and I want him to do well for Wolves but if he doesn't show more effort and commitment than he'll be gone.
westonwolves
14-10-2007, 17:31
Your living in the past. Yes he's scored a few goals but apart from the goals his performances haven't been good enough I'm afraid. When playing away from home the whole team has to put in a shift and Eastwood style of play recently contributes absolutely nothing at all. The manager sees it, Tosh even saw it. Most of the fans see it. Why can't you see it? I like Fred and I want him to do well for Wolves but if he doesn't show more effort and commitment than he'll be gone.
Absolutely right! To be precise he's scored three league goals which is one more than Elliot.
Big Big improvement needed from Eastwood in the next few games even if this involves appearances from the bench!
westonwolves
14-10-2007, 17:33
McCarthy has done NOTHING yet. Last season he was as swept along on a tidal wave of apathy as the rest of us. So far this season i have seen no real improvement. He brought in two quality strikers but we still dont look like scoring. McCarthy wont paper over cracks this season but unless this recent upturn is consistent he will fast become a zero. I'm on the fence.
Then again after reading this, I don't think we have very different opinions. To say McCarthy has done nothing just is not true because playoffs last season was one hell of an achievement!
Stewarton Wolf
14-10-2007, 18:37
Then again after reading this, I don't think we have very different opinions. To say McCarthy has done nothing just is not true because playoffs last season was one hell of an achievement!
What did we achieve, we failed to get promoted, unless surviving relegation was your target. Expectation was dumbed down by an owner who had lost interest last season.
Lupo Italiano
14-10-2007, 18:43
We hardly had a squad of promotion potential when Mick took over with just a couple of weeks to prepare his squad for the new season though.
We exceeded expecations last season.
In July 2006, most Wolves fans would have happily accepted reaching the play offs come the end of the season.
Stewarton Wolf
14-10-2007, 18:44
We hardly had a squad of promotion potential when Mick took over with just a couple of weeks to prepare his squad for the new season though.
We exceeded expecations last season.
In July 2006, most Wolves fans would have happily accepted reaching the play offs come the end of the season.
Agree we exceeded expectations YES - Achieved - NOTHING
Lupo Italiano
14-10-2007, 18:54
But don't you think it was an achievement in itself to build and prepare a squad from what he inherited and manage to get that group to a play off spot?
We have failed to even get in the play offs in the majority of seasons we have been in this league and that has been with much more expensively assembled squads than the one we had last season.
I don't believe Morgan would be the owner of this club if it wasn't for the achievements and the feel good factor of last year. MM made this club a very attractive proposition with a young squad who were willing to give there all to the cause and the fans that backed the players 100% even when they lost. I think this mentality of the players and the fans was a huge factor in Morgan investing In Wolves. He saw something he wanted to be part of.
But don't you think it was an achievement in itself to build and prepare a squad from what he inherited and manage to get that group to a play off spot?
The achievment was getting shot of the big earners and getting far lesser earners to play with twice the amount of passion and committment which by and large has continued this season. We were a very average team in an average league and relegation was never even a slight possibility and to be fair a Play Off spot was not some miraculous event - it was well within the grasp of three quarters of the sides in the league. For 3 out of 4 halves of the play Off Semi the Albion mullered us.
Yes Albion did muller us and it's not surprising with the team they had. When you compared Wolves with the Albion it does tell two things. MM massively over achieved but built a decent side within 6 months. Albion massively under achieved and only finished just above us. As it stands I would rather be in Wolves position than the Albion's.
Black Suit
15-10-2007, 00:40
Your living in the past. Yes he's scored a few goals but apart from the goals his performances haven't been good enough I'm afraid. When playing away from home the whole team has to put in a shift and Eastwood style of play recently contributes absolutely nothing at all. The manager sees it, Tosh even saw it. Most of the fans see it. Why can't you see it? I like Fred and I want him to do well for Wolves but if he doesn't show more effort and commitment than he'll be gone.
The past was just last season and the one before, last season he missed a chunk because injury!
I agree he looks lazy - he always has! Did you not notice that Sir? Surely we looked at his game before we spunked all that cash upon him. He scores in bundles with gaps between. Have a look.
Black Suit
15-10-2007, 00:42
I don't believe Morgan would be the owner of this club if it wasn't for the achievements and the feel good factor of last year. MM made this club a very attractive proposition with a young squad who were willing to give there all to the cause and the fans that backed the players 100% even when they lost. I think this mentality of the players and the fans was a huge factor in Morgan investing In Wolves. He saw something he wanted to be part of.
Paul, what do you think he feels today? (Morgan, that is).
Paul, what do you think he feels today? (Morgan, that is).
I don't have a clue what Morgan is up to or what he's thinking. He keeps his cards close to his chest. I hope Morgan is thinking I need to spend 20 million and redevelop the Molineux and get us in the Premiership. I suppose he's doing what most of us are doing just following the football and learning about MM and the club.
The past was just last season and the one before, last season he missed a chunk because injury!
I agree he looks lazy - he always has! Did you not notice that Sir? Surely we looked at his game before we spunked all that cash upon him. He scores in bundles with gaps between. Have a look.
I know MM rates Eastwood because he quoted so a number of times earlier in the season. For reason or another he's gone of the boil and I for one can't wait for him to prove his doubters wrong.
Black Suit
15-10-2007, 00:51
Yes Albion did muller us and it's not surprising with the team they had. When you compared Wolves with the Albion it does tell two things. MM massively over achieved but built a decent side within 6 months. Albion massively under achieved and only finished just above us. As it stands I would rather be in Wolves position than the Albion's.
Higher in the league and scoring goals v slightly below and scoring few
If you are thinking about the salary levels, they (the allergy) have addressed a big chunk of this but.... agreed we have cleared our decks.
It will be interesting, but it is difficult to see us overtake them at this stage. We have the talent but MM choses to pick those whom have the greater work ethic despite little result.
I'm happy to be wrong at all times Paul, but I'm not happy at the moment, just confused. Why have we bought so many ex-Sunderland and Irish nationals?
Black Suit
15-10-2007, 00:51
I know MM rates Eastwood because he quoted so a number of times earlier in the season. For reason or another he's gone of the boil and I for one can't wait to prove his doubters wrong.
He has to play for that to change Paul.
Black Suit
15-10-2007, 00:55
Look at this, debate and absolutely no abuse, I'm off to bed, all the best and have a good week. :)
Higher in the league and scoring goals v slightly below and scoring few
If you are thinking about the salary levels, they (the allergy) have addressed a big chunk of this but.... agreed we have cleared our decks.
It will be interesting, but it is difficult to see us overtake them at this stage. We have the talent but MM choses to pick those whom have the greater work ethic despite little result.
I'm happy to be wrong at all times Paul, but I'm not happy at the moment, just confused. Why have we bought so many ex-Sunderland and Irish nationals?
To be honest I know things aren't 100% but things are looking much better than they were 12 months ago. We have a decent team which isn't complete by any standards, but we have a good foundation their and if you add another 3 quality players than I think were looking very strong. Morgan is the key to everything here, in time he will invest and Wolves will rise again, I'm sure of this. Will it be under MM probably not but MM deserves his chance of a second season and he doesn't waste money. On the Irish subject, I don't mind the Irish, they're fighters with a never say die attitude and we need that attitude to get us out of this god dammed league.
GoldenHorseshoe
15-10-2007, 03:39
There's something happened with Mick and Eastwood that's not being reported, it was only a few weeks ago that Mick was praising Freddie for tracking back and making a good tackle in the defensive zone saying he was as impressed with that type of play as goal scoring.
Yes something has definitely gone on and Eastwood hasn't taken it very well. Maybe he's not used to being criticized. Still I expected him to play well against Cyprus but maybe he didn't have a chance as it was a overall poor performance.
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