Poole Wolf
16-09-2007, 18:44
Just a thought....
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5150
16-09-2007, 18:54
Andy Keogh to find the back of the net ?...a better thought
Wolv3nsam
16-09-2007, 19:01
Gary Breen dropped? Pure heaven.
Nashie
16-09-2007, 19:19
Bloody hell - what an overreaction! In any case - you are aware that even Jewell has had a bad time in the past - Sheffield Wednesday? Would you have wanted him after that debacle?
MCCarthy has a good track record and is doing a good job at Wolves. It doesn't mean I agree with everything he does, but to even whisper that we consider replacing him is ludicrous.
MCCarthy has a good track record and is doing a good job at Wolves. It doesn't mean I agree with everything he does, but to even whisper that we consider replacing him is ludicrous.
Papper
16-09-2007, 19:30
Gerry and Phil.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/content/images/2006/10/17/phil_thompson_mid2_200x150.jpg
http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/content/images/2006/10/17/phil_thompson_mid2_200x150.jpg
scottishwolf II
16-09-2007, 19:37
Gerry and Phil.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/content/images/2006/10/17/phil_thompson_mid2_200x150.jpg
Spent millions and millions getting Liverpool precisely nowhere further forward. Good choice.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/content/images/2006/10/17/phil_thompson_mid2_200x150.jpg
Spent millions and millions getting Liverpool precisely nowhere further forward. Good choice.
Stewarton Wolf
16-09-2007, 19:39
Spent millions and millions getting Liverpool precisely nowhere further forward. Good choice.
Like 5 Trophies in one season, I would jump for joy at that level of underachievement
Like 5 Trophies in one season, I would jump for joy at that level of underachievement
cannockwolves
16-09-2007, 19:42
I have been one of Micks biggest supporters, and he worked wonders last season with limited resources BUT he has had a $$$$ poor transfer window and has failed to address some obvious weaknesses. Left back, pace in defence, left winger when letting MacIndoe go, cover for Kightly, lack of depth in midfield or any real creativity.
Most of these issues could and should have been addressedif we have any ambition for a top two finish.
He is too loyal to his players that appears to be his problem. This is not an over reation to the result yesterday, the Morecambe result just demonstrated exactly what lack of depth we really have avilable. Its just criminal to think that Breen and Ward are defenders that will get you automatic, add in an aging leftback (or another centre half in Collins) and you start to understand that this make shift and make do attitude was fine when we had no choice, but with Morgan's backing it is criminal.
Most of these issues could and should have been addressedif we have any ambition for a top two finish.
He is too loyal to his players that appears to be his problem. This is not an over reation to the result yesterday, the Morecambe result just demonstrated exactly what lack of depth we really have avilable. Its just criminal to think that Breen and Ward are defenders that will get you automatic, add in an aging leftback (or another centre half in Collins) and you start to understand that this make shift and make do attitude was fine when we had no choice, but with Morgan's backing it is criminal.
Paul76
16-09-2007, 19:46
Paul ince...just a thought!!!
cooper_J
16-09-2007, 20:18
Spent millions and millions getting Liverpool precisely nowhere further forward. Good choice.
Sounds like they'd fit right in at Wolves circa 1992-2003.
MM is doing a good job, we'd be mad to change anything.
Sounds like they'd fit right in at Wolves circa 1992-2003.
MM is doing a good job, we'd be mad to change anything.
Papper
16-09-2007, 20:32
Spent millions and millions getting Liverpool precisely nowhere further forward. Good choice.
No not as managers. HT entertainment.
No not as managers. HT entertainment.
Wivey Wolf
16-09-2007, 20:38
I have been one of Micks biggest supporters, and he worked wonders last season with limited resources BUT he has had a $$$$ poor transfer window and has failed to address some obvious weaknesses. Left back, pace in defence, left winger when letting MacIndoe go, cover for Kightly, lack of depth in midfield or any real creativity.
Most of these issues could and should have been addressedif we have any ambition for a top two finish.
He is too loyal to his players that appears to be his problem. This is not an over reation to the result yesterday, the Morecambe result just demonstrated exactly what lack of depth we really have avilable. Its just criminal to think that Breen and Ward are defenders that will get you automatic, add in an aging leftback (or another centre half in Collins) and you start to understand that this make shift and make do attitude was fine when we had no choice, but with Morgan's backing it is criminal.
Jarvis, JARVIS, JARVIS, JARVIS, JARVIS
Thought you needed reminding
Most of these issues could and should have been addressedif we have any ambition for a top two finish.
He is too loyal to his players that appears to be his problem. This is not an over reation to the result yesterday, the Morecambe result just demonstrated exactly what lack of depth we really have avilable. Its just criminal to think that Breen and Ward are defenders that will get you automatic, add in an aging leftback (or another centre half in Collins) and you start to understand that this make shift and make do attitude was fine when we had no choice, but with Morgan's backing it is criminal.
Jarvis, JARVIS, JARVIS, JARVIS, JARVIS
Thought you needed reminding
wanderer24
16-09-2007, 20:54
WTF is going on?
Poole Wolf
16-09-2007, 20:57
It was just a thought, I mean, why not go the full scouse Owner & Manager. To be fair to myself MM was not my choice, I was one who favoured Paul Ince or Tony Mowbray before he ran out of petrol and ended up 20 miles short.
I thought MM did extraordinarily well last year but I am perplexed at his attitude to Bothroyd and his belief in Breen. Both scenarios are too much like previous managers such as Dave Jones and Graham Taylor who flattered to deceive and then started sticking with favourites, ignoring good players (Bully, Okoronkwo, Silas never got a chance) and playing people out of position (Sedgley, Ingemarrson, Miller, Cort and now Collins and Ward).
It may turn round but it has a worryingly familiar feel about it. Maybe Jarvis will come and restore the balance but I think a rotation system should involve different players starting not just coming on for twenty minutes like JB is at the moment. I would like to see him start with Eastwood at least once but it seems "Barn Door Banjo" is cemented in at number nine and though I appreciate effort as much as the next man I would like to se a bit more technical finesse and guile at times. There's also the Mark Davies issue which is at the back of my mind and MM could lose us a great talent if this continues.
I thought MM did extraordinarily well last year but I am perplexed at his attitude to Bothroyd and his belief in Breen. Both scenarios are too much like previous managers such as Dave Jones and Graham Taylor who flattered to deceive and then started sticking with favourites, ignoring good players (Bully, Okoronkwo, Silas never got a chance) and playing people out of position (Sedgley, Ingemarrson, Miller, Cort and now Collins and Ward).
It may turn round but it has a worryingly familiar feel about it. Maybe Jarvis will come and restore the balance but I think a rotation system should involve different players starting not just coming on for twenty minutes like JB is at the moment. I would like to see him start with Eastwood at least once but it seems "Barn Door Banjo" is cemented in at number nine and though I appreciate effort as much as the next man I would like to se a bit more technical finesse and guile at times. There's also the Mark Davies issue which is at the back of my mind and MM could lose us a great talent if this continues.
Muscat
16-09-2007, 20:57
Nice try, Wivey. Mick let McIndoe go and DID NOT REPLACE HIM. Jarvis did not sign, and, indeed, he probably doesn't even exist. Another lie perpetuated by the happy-clappers. :mad:
Nashie
16-09-2007, 21:08
Jarvis, JARVIS, JARVIS, JARVIS, JARVIS
Thought you needed reminding
Excellent - we have 1 left winger!.... Except he's injured and out for about a month. In the meantime we can play a striker there instead... Good work! Strength in depth - hmmmm
Thought you needed reminding
Excellent - we have 1 left winger!.... Except he's injured and out for about a month. In the meantime we can play a striker there instead... Good work! Strength in depth - hmmmm
Muscat
16-09-2007, 21:12
We had the same last season, no? Nobody was moaning about the left-wing situation then. Jarvis got injured, it's bad luck but it happens.
Nashie
16-09-2007, 21:32
We had the same last season, no? Nobody was moaning about the left-wing situation then. Jarvis got injured, it's bad luck but it happens.
There is a difference in expectation now - thats the way it is! This time last season, to string some wins together at all was an achievement as an expensive squad had all left on free transfers and replaced by unknowns and academy kids.
This season we have had money to spend to build on a promising season last year. When we signed Jarvis I thought that was positive news, then McIndoe left... That still didn't matter too much as we had Daniel Jones as cover. Then we loaned him out. If we are to mount a challenge you need to be able to cope with injuries. At the moment if Kightly suffered an injury, or Eastwood - you'd have to say we would struggle.
People are moaning because this season we expect to be challenging for promotion and to let McIndoe go with only Ward for cover was a very very poor decision.
We signed Darren Ward - seemed positive news. A centre back that can be paired with Craddock. Then we made Breen captain and let Jody go out on loan.
There have been some strange decisions over the last few months. I am still pro-McCarthy, but to deny that he has made some bad decisions of recent is silly.
There is a difference in expectation now - thats the way it is! This time last season, to string some wins together at all was an achievement as an expensive squad had all left on free transfers and replaced by unknowns and academy kids.
This season we have had money to spend to build on a promising season last year. When we signed Jarvis I thought that was positive news, then McIndoe left... That still didn't matter too much as we had Daniel Jones as cover. Then we loaned him out. If we are to mount a challenge you need to be able to cope with injuries. At the moment if Kightly suffered an injury, or Eastwood - you'd have to say we would struggle.
People are moaning because this season we expect to be challenging for promotion and to let McIndoe go with only Ward for cover was a very very poor decision.
We signed Darren Ward - seemed positive news. A centre back that can be paired with Craddock. Then we made Breen captain and let Jody go out on loan.
There have been some strange decisions over the last few months. I am still pro-McCarthy, but to deny that he has made some bad decisions of recent is silly.
saturday boy
16-09-2007, 22:25
Where are these poor decisions made by McCarthy - championship defenders aren't going to be without limitations, otherwsie they wouldn't be in the championship. Of defenders who have been signed in the championship only $$$$tu stands out as being one we perhaps could and should have been in for, maybe we were.
For all his detractors, Breen is probably par for the course in this division. Maybe not the best but some way short of being the worst. Darren Ward has always been fairly well respected and again, looks like a championship defender.
As for the left wing situation - S Ward has plaed most of his senior career there but I doubt he was seen as first choice when Jarvis was signed. How many left wingers should we have signed? Should we have kept McIndoe even though he has made it perfectly clear he wanted to leave?
Unfortunately, the expectations for this season have again caused a new strain of pant wetting, possilbly linked to the recent foot and mouth outbreaks but until tests have been completed noone can be sure.
For all his detractors, Breen is probably par for the course in this division. Maybe not the best but some way short of being the worst. Darren Ward has always been fairly well respected and again, looks like a championship defender.
As for the left wing situation - S Ward has plaed most of his senior career there but I doubt he was seen as first choice when Jarvis was signed. How many left wingers should we have signed? Should we have kept McIndoe even though he has made it perfectly clear he wanted to leave?
Unfortunately, the expectations for this season have again caused a new strain of pant wetting, possilbly linked to the recent foot and mouth outbreaks but until tests have been completed noone can be sure.
Akaman
16-09-2007, 23:27
Just a thought....
Keep it for a bit.
Jewell is no better than MM, and would need a shed load of cash to make his side into getting similar results to those which MM will get
Keep it for a bit.
Jewell is no better than MM, and would need a shed load of cash to make his side into getting similar results to those which MM will get
arthur williams
16-09-2007, 23:50
I used to read posts on th old M. Mix and think it couldnt get any worse. You just have to put your hands up sometimes and admit you were totally and utterly wrong.
ice cream head
17-09-2007, 01:05
unbelievable
Bend It Like Dennison
17-09-2007, 07:13
Whats unbelievable?? McCarthy got it wrong AGAIN on Saturday and the season is only a few games old.
There are concerns at the moment, there has to be. And while McCarthy continues to pick the wrong team they're more than justified IMO.
There are concerns at the moment, there has to be. And while McCarthy continues to pick the wrong team they're more than justified IMO.
Mugwump
17-09-2007, 07:42
i have to agree with BILD, mick has made a lot of mistakes so far this season,and i dont think his signings this season have been very good either. Eastwood is good and the jury is out on jarvis, but ward is rubbish, so is gray and elliot will probably spend more time with the physios than his team mates. I still think mick has earned the right to have time to develop this team after what he achieved last season.
NOKASPLACE
17-09-2007, 08:00
Echos of Birmingham City last season........
In which case I hope the comparisons continue.
Cannot believe the absolute imbeciles on here sometimes....
In which case I hope the comparisons continue.
Cannot believe the absolute imbeciles on here sometimes....
Mugwump
17-09-2007, 08:13
i dont see how some people having a different opinion to you makes them an imbecile. You may not agree with them but they have a right to their opinion as much as you do. You will only know at the end of the season if they were overreacting to a few bad performances or if you were the one who had it totally wrong.
Oldgold Wolfcub
17-09-2007, 09:10
i have to agree with BILD, mick has made a lot of mistakes so far this season,and i dont think his signings this season have been very good either. Eastwood is good and the jury is out on jarvis, but ward is rubbish, so is gray and elliot will probably spend more time with the physios than his team mates. I still think mick has earned the right to have time to develop this team after what he achieved last season.
Bit harsh about his signings. Eastwood should be a terrific signing. Foley looks a good signing. Jarvis has all the qualities to make him look like a good signing. It still is early days to see about some of the others. Elliot if signed on a play related basis must be a good addition. Gray is a gamble on a free. Ward is not very convincing so far.
Yes I would have liked to have seen a good left back and promising centre back but I think the problem is more how we coach our players. Little, Mulgrew, Gleason, etc must be given help and time to progress through the senior ranks and made to feel they can do a job and yes I agree that under the circumstances loaning Jones out at this time was maybe not the best move.
Bit harsh about his signings. Eastwood should be a terrific signing. Foley looks a good signing. Jarvis has all the qualities to make him look like a good signing. It still is early days to see about some of the others. Elliot if signed on a play related basis must be a good addition. Gray is a gamble on a free. Ward is not very convincing so far.
Yes I would have liked to have seen a good left back and promising centre back but I think the problem is more how we coach our players. Little, Mulgrew, Gleason, etc must be given help and time to progress through the senior ranks and made to feel they can do a job and yes I agree that under the circumstances loaning Jones out at this time was maybe not the best move.
Mugwump
17-09-2007, 09:20
i forgot about foley oldgold, he does seem a good player.i`m just not convinced he has bought in the right players tbh. Elliot wasnt a player we really needed. I would rather have had mick spend more money on the defence. Ultimatley whether mick is succesful or a failure depends on if the team he puts together wins games or not. i totally agree with you about our young players though. I dont feel little got much guidance when things went bad for him last season.
Templeton Peck
17-09-2007, 11:07
I have been one of Micks biggest supporters, and he worked wonders last season with limited resources BUT he has had a $$$$ poor transfer window and has failed to address some obvious weaknesses. Left back, pace in defence, left winger when letting MacIndoe go, cover for Kightly, lack of depth in midfield or any real creativity.
We can't dismiss Gray after 2 or 3 games - he was widely regarded as one of Leeds better players last season. Gobern is good cover for Kightly and in the middle we have Henry, Olafinjana, Potter, Gleeson and Davies to choose from which if you ask me is pretty good for championship level. The creativity in the side comes from Kightly and Keogh as last season and hopefully Jarvis can add to this. McIndoe wanted to go and last season most people on this board thought he was pants.
We can't dismiss Gray after 2 or 3 games - he was widely regarded as one of Leeds better players last season. Gobern is good cover for Kightly and in the middle we have Henry, Olafinjana, Potter, Gleeson and Davies to choose from which if you ask me is pretty good for championship level. The creativity in the side comes from Kightly and Keogh as last season and hopefully Jarvis can add to this. McIndoe wanted to go and last season most people on this board thought he was pants.
wanderer24
17-09-2007, 19:15
So this is what people meant when they talked about expectation levels in pre-season?
After a few games were supposed to be in full form with a Premiership squad and spanking everybody. Loan them out, don't loan them out. I've got concerns but im not banging on about them because it's far too early to be making judgements and wetting my pants.
Relax. Morgan will deal with it if you dreams come true and our season oes tits up. Until them, how about showing some patience?
After a few games were supposed to be in full form with a Premiership squad and spanking everybody. Loan them out, don't loan them out. I've got concerns but im not banging on about them because it's far too early to be making judgements and wetting my pants.
Relax. Morgan will deal with it if you dreams come true and our season oes tits up. Until them, how about showing some patience?
Wolv3nsam
17-09-2007, 20:09
It's like Birmingham City calling for Steve Bruce's head, now look at them.
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