Home grown talent.

[Reach For The Sky]

What's happened to the youth academy lately? It used to be like a production line, turning out young players ready for the first team. Has McCarthy recruited too many players from outside and sent our young hopefuls out on loan to lower league sides?

Here's Dave Jones' glorious play off winning squad with the home grown players highlighted.

Wolverhampton: Murray, Naylor, Lescott, Butler, Irwin, Newton, Cameron, Kennedy, Ince, Blake (Proudlock 88), Miller (Sturridge 75).
Subs Not Used: Oakes, Rae, Edworthy.

Contrast that with McCarthy's squad who were fighting to stay out of the relegation zone on Sunday and you have to wonder where all of the home grown boys have gone.

Wolverhampton: Hennessey, Darren Ward, Breen (Collins 33), Foley, Gray, Olofinjana, Kightly, Potter (Henry 68), Keogh, Stephen Ward, Eastwood (Bothroyd 87).
Subs Not Used: Stack, Bennett.

[Emperor Wolf]

I agree..somewhat.
There seems to be the last piece of the puzzle missing at the club..the last step for those great talent we seem to groome on a regular basis.
It is without a doubt the toughest step to take-but I still feel too many real talents is missing out.
Let´s see where Mark Davies and Stephen Gleeson finally ends up.
I hope it will be in the Wolves starting XI..but recent history seems to indicate a more...say Swindon end destination.

[Papper]

Contrast that with McCarthy's squad who were fighting to stay out of the relegation zone on Sunday and you have to wonder where all of the home grown boys have gone.



You stupid clown :D:D:D

[RoffeyWolf]

Wind-up alert

[we love jez moxey]

off the top of my head, i can think of a few in our first team squad. Hennessey, murray, ikeme, little, collins, gleeson, davies, gobern, daniel jones, o'connor and bennett, apologies if ive left any one out but that aint a bad list if you ask me!

[Reach For The Sky]

off the top of my head, i can think of a few in our first team squad. Hennessey, murray, ikeme, little, collins, gleeson, davies, gobern, daniel jones, o'connor and bennett, apologies if ive left any one out but that aint a bad list if you ask me!

Only one of that list made the side on Sunday. Of the others who were not injured or being farmed out to lower league sides, only one was deemed good enough to make the 16. Murray, Naylor and Lescott were the first names on the teamsheet of the promotion winning side.

[Hatch End Wolf]

What point are you making?..... The academy is rubbish? Big Mick is ignoring young star players who are fit and ready for Championship level football?

[Reach For The Sky]

What point are you making?..... The academy is rubbish? Big Mick is ignoring young star players who are fit and ready for Championship level football?

I was just asking what has happened to all of our talented young players lately, back in the day we used to have 3 or 4 home grown young players in the side every week and now we can only muster 1.

[Anglian Wolf]

You stupid boy RFTS :rolleyes:

[Hatch End Wolf]

He's a naughty boy, but he has raised a talking point! Personally I think very few teams, at our level, consistantly produce large numbers of players for their first teams. I'm happy with the situation at present.

[Essex Wolf]

This is a wind up, right??

[Reach For The Sky]

This is a wind up, right??

What makes you say that?

[Hatch End Wolf]

He thinks you're a stirrer?

[wanderer24]

What's happened to the youth academy lately? It used to be like a production line, turning out young players ready for the first team. Has McCarthy recruited too many players from outside and sent our young hopefuls out on loan to lower league sides?

Here's Dave Jones' glorious play off winning squad with the home grown players highlighted.

Wolverhampton: Murray, Naylor, Lescott, Butler, Irwin, Newton, Cameron, Kennedy, Ince, Blake (Proudlock 88), Miller (Sturridge 75).
Subs Not Used: Oakes, Rae, Edworthy.

Contrast that with McCarthy's squad who were fighting to stay out of the relegation zone on Sunday and you have to wonder where all of the home grown boys have gone.

Wolverhampton: Hennessey, Darren Ward, Breen (Collins 33), Foley, Gray, Olofinjana, Kightly, Potter (Henry 68), Keogh, Stephen Ward, Eastwood (Bothroyd 87).
Subs Not Used: Stack, Bennett.


Proudlock - talent?????? Can you see where your argument breaks down here?

[Woburn Wolf]

I agree..somewhat.
There seems to be the last piece of the puzzle missing at the club..the last step for those great talent we seem to groome on a regular basis.
It is without a doubt the toughest step to take-but I still feel too many real talents is missing out.
Let´s see where Mark Davies and Stephen Gleeson finally ends up.
I hope it will be in the Wolves starting XI..but recent history seems to indicate a more...say Swindon end destination.
Davies maybe because of his lifestyle but not Gleeson. He will be Prem - no doubt!

[Woburn Wolf]

Proudlock - talent?????? Can you see where your argument breaks down here?
Agree
. Proudlock was always a complete waste of space

[Essex Wolf]

What makes you say that?

You seem to have forgoten a few academy players who have played for the 1st team and named by we love jez moxey a few posts back.

[Reach For The Sky]

Proudlock - talent?????? Can you see where your argument breaks down here?

If Proudlock was good enough to make a handful of appearances in the team that won promotion and you rated him so poorly, what does that say about the current youngsters?

[Reach For The Sky]

You seem to have forgoten a few academy players who have played for the 1st team and named by we love jez moxey a few posts back.

Only 2 of them made the 16 for Sunday and only 1 made the side. We used to have homegrown players who were first choice for the first team.

[wanderer24]

If Proudlock was good enough to make a handful of appearances in the team that won promotion and you rated him so poorly, what does that say about the current youngsters?

It doesn't say anything. I rate each player individually regardless of era or team. Proudlock was pants and isn't worthy of non-league football, he makes Chris Cornes look ood.
I've stated many times which academy players i think have the ability and attitude to make it. Other than Naylor, Lescott, Murray and if you count Keane who all came through at different times there aren't any other players who were all that good.
Gleeson is quality
M Davies could be quality
Little will develop into quality
Hennessey is quality
Gobern, Riley, Lee Collins, Bennett(s), Hughes, could all be quality.
The youth team coach thinks the next lot with Kyle at the head of the queue is the best set of players he's had.
Im very happy with our youth development because that's exactly what it is, DEVELOPMENT.

[wanderer24]

Only 2 of them made the 16 for Sunday and only 1 made the side. We used to have homegrown players who were first choice for the first team.

One of them still would be if fit(Murray)
One of them wasn't all that great and never had any competition for his place(Naylor)
Lescott is just different class.
Two of them left just last summer, so you expect instant replacements? It took these three players years to cement their places in the side.

[Essex Wolf]

Only 2 of them made the 16 for Sunday and only 1 made the side. We used to have homegrown players who were first choice for the first team.

Agreed but that could well be because Murray, Gobern, Little, Davies and Ikeme are all unavilable through injury right now.

When fit Murray and Hennersey will be fighting it out for the No1 jersey whilst the other makes the bench and I can well see the likes of Little and Gobern making the bench.

[Reach For The Sky]

Im very happy with our youth development because that's exactly what it is, DEVELOPMENT.

That still doesn't answer the question. Naylor, Lescott and Murray were all first team regulars at the same time, how come there wasn't a single home grown outfield player on the pitch on Sunday?

[wanderer24]

I'll try again, because there not ready yet. The players ahead of them are further along the line in terms of development.

[we love jez moxey]

we have 3 very very good homegrown keepers. You can only play 1, plus the other 2 are injured. We have a big squad bolstered by a lot of youth graduates. Gobern will be at least on the bench when he's fit, gleeson won't be far off either, he is quality! There were reports of premier clubs watching little last year, he'll be back. There also reports of our current acadamy lads being the best yet. Ok we have made a few good signings and they are starting games above the acadamy lads, but they are young and their time will come. Any one who thinks the acadamy is faultering, is very sadly mistaken and conviniently overlooking the facts

[wolf of sedgley]

Contrast that with McCarthy's squad who were fighting to stay out of the relegation zone on Sunday



I think that is the stupidest thing I have ever read on molineux mix. I don't think even stewerton wolf would come out with something that bad.

[Hatch End Wolf]

When we get to the Premier League even less of our youths will make it as first team regulars. It won't be the fault of the academy and it's employees. It will just be that the standard will be higher and the chances of WWFC finding more than the occasional Premiership player will be remote.

Even with loads of money to spend, Manure and the other "top" clubs rarely produce home grown talent of the required standard. I think our club scouting / academy system is doing very well at the present time.

[Bumbamuffin]

I think that is the stupidest thing I have ever read on molineux mix. I don't think even stewerton wolf would come out with something that bad.

Praise indeed.:D

[we love jez moxey]

stewarton wouldn't have said that because he makes points which he backs up with an intelligent arguament. That was not an intelligent arguament.

[Hatch End Wolf]

Stewarton Wolf would blame Big Mick!!

[Bumbamuffin]

stewarton wouldn't have said that because he makes points which he backs up with an intelligent arguament. That was not an intelligent arguament.

:D

[Hatch End Wolf]

:d :d :d

[Hatch End Wolf]

:confused

[Hatch End Wolf]

Not getting ****ing smilies!

[Dewsburywolf]

Gleeson, O'Connor, Little, Hennessey, Daniel Jones, Ikeme,Martin Riley, Elliott Bennett have all featured this Summer in pre season/ League or League Cup games one way or another. Mark Davies isn't fully fit. I echo everyone else's view, what is your point.

[wolf of sedgley]

stewarton wouldn't have said that because he makes points which he backs up with an intelligent arguament.

:eek: Behave!

[kennyB]

I think his point is Jim, that we are under threat of relegation and it's about time we put some of our YOUTH team players in in order to avoid humiliation!!

[we love jez moxey]

sorry sedgley, got a bit carried away!! You know what i'm saying though mate, not even stewarton could be that braindead!

[IrchyWolf]

Still don't see the point of this.
Are you arguing that we should just bin the first team squad altogether and just field the Academy side?

[O.W.E.I]

I was just asking what has happened to all of our talented young players lately, back in the day we used to have 3 or 4 home grown young players in the side every week and now we can only muster 1.

Anyone who uses the phrase 'back in the day' should be sent out on loan to Deportivo $$$$a with a view to a permanent move.

[Bradders]

There are some people on this forum who are either clowns or expert fishermen. I'm just not quite sure who falls into which category at times!!

[EasternWolf]

Fighting to avoid relegation ?- after 1 game?

In any case, as someone else said, we now have a good squad with real talent in depth. This includes many Academy graduates. We no longer have a dozen or so decent players and some reserves. Anyone in the squad can do a really good job in the team. The latest, Bennett, certainly didnt let anyone down.

The important thing is, as a squad, we fielded 8 international players this week and another one who was pulled out through injury. Two of them were Academy graduates. We have 2 other Academy internationals who are injured - Davies and Little. Not bad at all for a Championship club.

[Reach For The Sky]

There are some people on this forum who are either clowns or expert fishermen. I'm just not quite sure who falls into which category at times!!

When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea.

[Mutchy]

:D Haven't you got any work to do? :rolleyes:

[John]

He has got a point.
In comparison to the homegrown players who have played under MM, the academy in the years of Lescott/Naylor did not perform aswell.
This is shown by the fact thier has been a gap in youth team players becoming established first teamers since Lescott came through.
It definately looks like the academy is working much better now and in 3 years time we should have first team players who were homegrown and that should continue.
Not sure why the barren patch, but perhaps that always happens.

[Reach For The Sky]

Contrast that with McCarthy's squad who were fighting to stay out of the relegation zone on Sunday

BTW the above statement is perfectly accurate. Also, where are the homegrown players who would be first choice in the team? We've had at least a couple of regulars for a while now, is there a bit of a gap in the production line.

[Reach For The Sky]

:D Haven't you got any work to do? :rolleyes:

No.:)

[O.W.E.I]

No.:)

Are you an MP?

[sillytuna]

Proudlock was very talented. How quickly people forget.

Lack of talent wasn't why he failed. Being a big headed $$$$ who didn't take his football seriously might have had something to do with it.

[IrchyWolf]

As was once debated at the very greatest length, Proudlock was a donkey.

.................................................. ..........(Runs away into NBC Bunker)

[O.W.E.I]

As was once debated at the very greatest length, Proudlock was a donkey.

.................................................. ..........(Runs away into NBC Bunker)

TV Channels have bunkers these days?

[BB Wolf]

You all seem to forget there was an outfield homegrown player who played for the majority of the match..........




















SUPER LEON CLARKE!!!

[Del Woppio]

The thread starter is either an idiot, or on a wind up. He ’happened’ to select the two extreme team-sheets. We will never have had more than 4 academy grads in any one of Jones’ squads. There were points last season whereby Mick selected 4/5 graduates in his squads as well. Injury and development are the reasons that the strategically selected Watford game contained no outfield graduates. Little, Murray, Gleeson and/or Davies would have made the squad were it not for injuries. It’s more valuable for Dan Jones (for example) to get regular first team football for 3 months elsewhere that it is for him to get 4-5 appearances for Wolves in the same time frame. We have more graduates capable of Championship football now than at any time during my support of Wolves.

[goldeneyed]

The thread starter is either an idiot, or on a wind up. He ’happened’ to select the two extreme team-sheets. We will never have had more than 4 academy grads in any one of Jones’ squads. There were points last season whereby Mick selected 4/5 graduates in his squads as well. Injury and development are the reasons that the strategically selected Watford game contained no outfield graduates. Little, Murray, Gleeson and/or Davies would have made the squad were it not for injuries. It’s more valuable for Dan Jones (for example) to get regular first team football for 3 months elsewhere that it is for him to get 4-5 appearances for Wolves in the same time frame. We have more graduates capable of Championship football now than at any time during my support of Wolves.

At last some sense. Totally agree. This is one of the most ridiculous threads we have had on here and that is saying something.

[Reach For The Sky]

the strategically selected Watford game contained no outfield graduates.

That was the Wednesday game's squad actually.:)

[Akaman]

What's happened to the youth academy lately? It used to be like a production line, turning out young players ready for the first team. Has McCarthy recruited too many players from outside and sent our young hopefuls out on loan to lower league sides?

Here's Dave Jones' glorious play off winning squad with the home grown players highlighted.

Wolverhampton: Murray, Naylor, Lescott, Butler, Irwin, Newton, Cameron, Kennedy, Ince, Blake (Proudlock 88), Miller (Sturridge 75).
Subs Not Used: Oakes, Rae, Edworthy.

Contrast that with McCarthy's squad who were fighting to stay out of the relegation zone on Sunday and you have to wonder where all of the home grown boys have gone.

Wolverhampton: Hennessey, Darren Ward, Breen (Collins 33), Foley, Gray, Olofinjana, Kightly, Potter (Henry 68), Keogh, Stephen Ward, Eastwood (Bothroyd 87).
Subs Not Used: Stack, Bennett.

I'd put money that MM has used many more home grown players than DJ did, without checking

[Sozzled Wolf]

There may not be many home grown players in the first team at the moment, but I'm sure this is just a temporary thing. They're going out on loan rather than being sold. And besides, at least MM had the courage to give many of them a chance last season. When faced with this 'dilemma' Hoddle just upped sticks and left like the big-chinned coward he is.