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What an absolute joke of a pundit, should have sticked to taking penalties.
Below are his views on tonight's performance:
By Chris Waddle
Former England international & BBC Radio 5live pundit
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Overall, Germany gave us a football lesson. Apart from the first 20 minutes, England were really outplayed.
Micah Richards did OK - especially at right-back - and Shaun Wright-Phillips did well when he came on at the end. He was the only spark for me.
England just lacked ideas. They were very poor.
Steven Gerrard would have made a difference because he can influence a game. Apart from that, what else can England change? Nothing.
England were too direct and it ended up being easy for Germany.
England have to be able to pass the ball better because if you don't look after the ball at this level, you just don't win games. But it just seems to be getting worse.
England's performance was not out of this world, but we were comfortably the better team, playing more incisive football, creating the better chances and generally trying to win the game.
In 90 mins I can only really think of a couple of half chances they had and if it wasn't for Robinson's ongoing crisis of confidence we would have won this game easily.
I can't believe people get paid for this twaddle...did he even watch the match?
SOUTHBANK_BULLY
22-08-2007, 23:58
What an absolute joke of a pundit, should have sticked to taking penalties.
Below are his views on tonight's performance:
By Chris Waddle
Former England international & BBC Radio 5live pundit
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Overall, Germany gave us a football lesson. Apart from the first 20 minutes, England were really outplayed.
Micah Richards did OK - especially at right-back - and Shaun Wright-Phillips did well when he came on at the end. He was the only spark for me.
England just lacked ideas. They were very poor.
Steven Gerrard would have made a difference because he can influence a game. Apart from that, what else can England change? Nothing.
England were too direct and it ended up being easy for Germany.
England have to be able to pass the ball better because if you don't look after the ball at this level, you just don't win games. But it just seems to be getting worse.
England's performance was not out of this world, but we were comfortably the better team, playing more incisive football, creating the better chances and generally trying to win the game.
In 90 mins I can only really think of a couple of half chances they had and if it wasn't for Robinson's ongoing crisis of confidence we would have won this game easily.
I can't believe people get paid for this twaddle...did he even watch the match?
sorry but i agree with waddle
sorry but i agree with waddle
I'm all for a healthy debate South Bank, so pres tell how they outplayed us (naturally scoreline apart;))?
SOUTHBANK_BULLY
23-08-2007, 00:04
sky + it so just watching the match now , england looked ok for 20 mins got 10 mins left of the match to go , england looked clueless and germany had complete control of the game
england looked lack luster
another pointless england friendly imo
sky + it so just watching the match now , england looked ok for 20 mins got 10 mins left of the match to go , england looked clueless and germany had complete control of the game
england looked lack luster
another pointless england friendly imo
Agree that we looked at our best in the first 20 mins, with Richards attacking down the right and Cole putting them on the back foot.
I still struggle to see how they were in complete control when Lampard missed a one-on-one, Owen had a point blank header saved and missed an open goal, one was cleared off the line, Dyer missed a virtually open net from six yards, and Owen missed another one-on-one.
They scored from a howler from Robinson and an opportunistic strike, apart from that can't really remember a gilt edged chance. Put the boot on the other foot and if we had won in the same manner, we would all be saying that we got out of jail and the performance was $$$$e!
Having seen the replay, it wasn't 'that' much of a howler from Robinson. His initial position was what let him down, but the reason he didnt hold the ball was because he was heading straight for the back of the net and didn't want to carry it with him.
We really should be asking what the defence was up to.
Having seen the replay, it wasn't 'that' much of a howler from Robinson. His initial position was what let him down, but the reason he didnt hold the ball was because he was heading straight for the back of the net and didn't want to carry it with him.
We really should be asking what the defence was up to.
Can sort of see your point, but you would expect an international goalkeeper to have tipped it around the post not back into play. His mistake count is creeping up too much for me
Ettingshall Wolf
23-08-2007, 08:12
we were comfortably the better team, playing more incisive football, creating the better chances and generally trying to win the game.
I have to disagree with everything you have said here. No way were we comfortably the better team. Germany weren't great but neither were we. We probably had about the same amount of chances, maybe only a shot or two more than they. And I am pretty sure they were trying to win the game, they did score a couple of goals afterall!
In 90 mins I can only really think of a couple of half chances they had and if it wasn't for Robinson's ongoing crisis of confidence we would have won this game easily
chances dont count for squat, goals do. Are you blaming Robinson for both goals? Surely if it wasnt for 'Robinson's ongoing crisis' it would have been a draw rather than an easy win for England??
I'm not saying Germany were great, but neither were we. Waddle is right that only a couple of England players shone. For me it was Richards and Joe Cole, and Lambard for brief spells. Apart from the first 20 minutes and then occasional 5 minute spells, England looks very ordinary and to be honest didnt deserve to win it. A draw would have been a fair result
England. Talented players who can move with the ball at thier feet and pass accurately.
Why do they all resort to long ball hoofing when the pressure is on?
Englands players often let themselves down
Hereford Wolf
23-08-2007, 08:33
England played very well until the German goal - and after that they were very poor against a very second rate, second string German side.
We are not a good team at the moment and I am having grave qualifying doubts....
dazmanwolf
23-08-2007, 08:54
Owen could have had 2 or 3 if he was a bit sharper - bodes well for the future tho - liked the Owen/Smith partnership - some good interlocking play from those two!
RoffeyWolf
23-08-2007, 08:58
It was basically like watching Wolves v Watford all over again.
jbarnettuk1984
23-08-2007, 09:25
i agree with Waddle also. Sorry Jack.
paddingtonwolf
23-08-2007, 09:31
Outclassed by a Germany team with as many injuries as England had.
Ineptly managed with players out of position all over the place. Amazingly the substitutions actually made this worse. Keeping a patently unfit Beckham on and keeping Defoe on the bench. SWP in great form so I know let's play him on the wrong wing. Alan Smith isn't good enough. Owen isn't fit enough. Crouch is suspended for the next game so let's leave Defoe to fester on the bench.
England haven't got a cat in hell's chance of qualifying for Euro 2008.
McLaren has actually made me long for the days of Sven, and that takes some level of incompetence to carry off.
Goldwolf
23-08-2007, 09:33
Having seen the replay, it wasn't 'that' much of a howler from Robinson. His initial position was what let him down, but the reason he didnt hold the ball was because he was heading straight for the back of the net and didn't want to carry it with him.
We really should be asking what the defence was up to.
Why should the defence be dealing with a ball crossed to within 1 yard from the goal-line?
As has been said, the standard approach to dealing with a cross that has gone behind you is to one hand it over the bar. Heaven knows what Robinson thought he was doing.
paddingtonwolf
23-08-2007, 09:35
It was an absolute howler of the worst kind.
Sorry, as a keeper, if I cocked up like that, I would be hanging my head in shame.
And I'm crap.
I have to disagree with everything you have said here. No way were we comfortably the better team. Germany weren't great but neither were we. We probably had about the same amount of chances, maybe only a shot or two more than they. And I am pretty sure they were trying to win the game, they did score a couple of goals afterall!
chances dont count for squat, goals do. Are you blaming Robinson for both goals? Surely if it wasnt for 'Robinson's ongoing crisis' it would have been a draw rather than an easy win for England??
I'm not saying Germany were great, but neither were we. Waddle is right that only a couple of England players shone. For me it was Richards and Joe Cole, and Lambard for brief spells. Apart from the first 20 minutes and then occasional 5 minute spells, England looks very ordinary and to be honest didnt deserve to win it. A draw would have been a fair result
Not for both goals, but the first goal took the wind out of our sails and we never really recovered. I'm not saying we were great, but I still can't see how they outclassed us - that was the point I was trying to make. Apart from the two goals (I appreciate the irony here), all they had was a few pot shots from outside the box.
We created six or seven 'golden' opportunities and if it wasn't for the quality of finishing and a bit of bad luck, we would have been out of sight by 60 mins. I'd settle for those chances every week for Wolves, as long as most of them didn't fall to Keogh
fullmoon
23-08-2007, 10:53
It was an absolute howler of the worst kind.
Sorry, as a keeper, if I cocked up like that, I would be hanging my head in shame.
And I'm crap.
and don't throw your gloves in the stand:D
Langdale Wolf
23-08-2007, 11:27
What annoyed me was the total lack of any sort of passion from England. It was England v Germany FFS, but the game festered away like it does with every other dull friendly.
I thought we were clueless and useless. I dread to think what might have happened if we'd been up against Klose, Podolski, Frings, Ballack, Schweinsteiger etc.
I too am mightily worried about our qualifying hopes.
Munich_Wolf
23-08-2007, 11:40
Not helped by the "fans". Outsung throughout by 8000 Germans :(
Don't agree with Waddle that we were outclassed, we missed 2-3 sitters. But in all honesty we were poor and I struggle to see us qualifying.
Gordon Brown must have been smiling inside at the final whistle although he managed a brave and suitably glum look for the camaras :-/
I'm English but have no pride in the England team any more. If it's down to Wolves reserves or England winning I'll take Wolves reserves every time. Sven and McClown combined for the last 6 years or so have made England a laughing stock. Personally hope that we don't qualify for Europe and that McClown and the suits at the F.A. disappear.
Munich_Wolf
23-08-2007, 12:28
I'm English but have no pride in the England team any more. If it's down to Wolves reserves or England winning I'll take Wolves reserves every time. Sven and McClown combined for the last 6 years or so have made England a laughing stock. Personally hope that we don't qualify for Europe and that McClown and the suits at the F.A. disappear.
I know what you mean, imho Hoddle was in the process of doing to Wolves what those 2 did to England. In fact, Hoddle would have finished the job by now had he stayed. Gates of 15K and utter apathy.
southside_wolf
23-08-2007, 13:24
Slightly OT, but has anyone noticed that Chris Waddle can't really say the word 'penalty' and instead says 'pelanty'. I wonder if it's a hangover from 1990.
Wednesbury Wolf
23-08-2007, 13:30
Waddle is just about right,If Germany had had a full team out it would have been even worse.England are definitely going backwards.
kidder_wolf_II
23-08-2007, 13:38
Slightly OT, but has anyone noticed that Chris Waddle can't really say the word 'penalty' and instead says 'pelanty'. I wonder if it's a hangover from 1990.
Or 1995 :D
OCD Wolf
23-08-2007, 13:53
I'm English but have no pride in the England team any more. If it's down to Wolves reserves or England winning I'll take Wolves reserves every time. Sven and McClown combined for the last 6 years or so have made England a laughing stock. Personally hope that we don't qualify for Europe and that McClown and the suits at the F.A. disappear.
Yep, couldn't agree more. I have taken to watching other internationals such as Ireland (and now Wales) because there is some interest to me in how the Wolves players get on. The current England crop probably see England games as publicity opportunities to get the WAG's on TV.
They have talent but look and play like they could really do without these games. McClown and Sven have taken the passion out of England.
I back the Irish, the Welsh and even the Scots because they play with pride for their countries, even though their talent is limited. These games mean something to these nations, when NI beat England last year, I was so happy for them, it mean so much.
It's not just internationals, even Prem games leave me cold these days. Just a bunch of rude, disrespectful, arrogant prima donnas playing for their bonuses.
I think I am enjoying Wolves, and tbf other 'lower league football' more than ever because I can see real people playing and watching and seeing how it matters.
I really do think that true football fans are starting to look down the leagues for their entertainment.
Jack Regan
23-08-2007, 14:02
Slightly OT, but has anyone noticed that Chris Waddle can't really say the word 'penalty' and instead says 'pelanty'. I wonder if it's a hangover from 1990.
Best thing is on the PS1 game Fifa World cup98, Hoddle does the commentary and the way he could have the audacity to slag off the players when they miss a peanlty in a shootout is hilarious.
Ettingshall Wolf
23-08-2007, 15:25
Not helped by the "fans". Outsung throughout by 8000 Germans :(
agreed, and i dont think it has been very well thought out that the sections of seating behind the dugouts are all for corporate people, because after half time all those seats were empty. and even when they filled up you could see they were full of suits and not proper fans. If they wanted sections like that they could have at leave stuck them opposite, under where the camera is so that the crowd looks a bit more passionate
jbarnettuk1984
23-08-2007, 15:44
agreed, and i dont think it has been very well thought out that the sections of seating behind the dugouts are all for corporate people, because after half time all those seats were empty. and even when they filled up you could see they were full of suits and not proper fans. If they wanted sections like that they could have at leave stuck them opposite, under where the camera is so that the crowd looks a bit more passionate
thats what i was thinking. the whole area should be scrapped. its ridiculous when it comes to the point where real football fans are unable to get tickets (in the best part of the stadium aswell) because toffee nosed rich $$$$s are there for a 'meeting'.. people who care more about getting a drink at half time (and the 20mins after) then the football. its a disgrace.
