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Tikkaspecial
03-07-2007, 13:59
I don't usually post but I just have to ask why everyone seems to be so unenthused by the 'signing' of Stephen Elliott. He scored 15 goals in 29 games at this level before his injury problems. He is young enough to bounce back and could end up being as good a (if not better) signing than Eastwood or Sharp(e).
From what I hear, he is almost certainly going to sign so let's get behind the lad.
welshwolf
03-07-2007, 16:00
because of the injury problems and the fact he has been out of the public eye for a couple of seasons.
I agree if (and it is a if) he can put those injury problems behind him he could be good
ice cream head
03-07-2007, 16:06
How do you mean ' unenthused'?
I'm sure if we signed Eastwood then the signing of Elliot would be regarded as a good signing at this level. However, if he is the main striker signing of the summer, with his injury record, I believe people will be correct to feel a little disappointed.
We want to get out of this division and we need players that will be able to do that and then compete at the higher level if and when we do.
I agree that if he's the main summer signing then its not a lot to be excited about. After last seasons promising start, I had hoped we would follow Birmingham's lead and buy the best young players from the Championship or League 1.
Billy Sharp, Freddie Eastwood would have been in that category.
I didn't expect a whole rebuilding job but I had hoped to find 2 'bigger' signings.
I don't know much about Ward, Elliott's record sounds good if he can shake off his injury problems but thats a big 'if'. Jarvis is the signing thats interesting me the most, he sounds like he could be a bargain.
I am still hoping that we can sign Eastwood, but its not looking good.
ice cream head
03-07-2007, 16:22
http://www.expressandstar.co.uk/2007/07/02/wolves-set-to-make-elliott-bid/
This is where the story has come from I think, but I wouldn't take too much notice of that as there are no quotes. What is worth a read though, are the comments underneath the story. :D
By the Seaside
03-07-2007, 16:24
Isnt it amazing what difference a year can make. When you read this board you can already see how peoples expectations have shifted.
Elliot is young and certainly has potential, but you do have to wonder how long he/or similar signings will be given before the crowd turns on them.
I really hope the seige mentality and enjoyment of all things good at the Wolves will continue and we dont go back to our bad old ways
Keep the faith in Mick...And Jez!
wolves85nb
03-07-2007, 16:56
Isnt it amazing what difference a year can make. When you read this board you can already see how peoples expectations have shifted.
Elliot is young and certainly has potential, but you do have to wonder how long he/or similar signings will be given before the crowd turns on them.
I really hope the seige mentality and enjoyment of all things good at the Wolves will continue and we dont go back to our bad old ways
Keep the faith in Mick...And Jez!
I can understand a higher expectancy on the playing side of things because of what we achieved and showed last season. The problem is the expectancy in the transfer market... I don't think people understand this new investment plan by Morgan and instead the £££ signs are just buzzing around in their heads and the hype is getting worse.
I think the frustration will come if we dont sign either Sharp or Eastwood as they are the 2 standout strikers available.
In particular Eastwood as he has stated his desire to come to wolves before Charlton began to sniff around. It appears that he might already be a wolves player had we not taken the $$$$ with a 750K offer and made our interest known. A (reasonable) offer of 1.5 million and we may have avoided a bidding war. Having said all this the shrimpers may always have wanted to wait for Charlton to sell Bent as they knew of their interest some time ago.... who knows?!!
As regards Elliot he'd be a welcome addition to the squad but it does appear to be a cheap alternative. With so much money (apparently) available I'd be dissapointed if we didnt go up to say 2.5million for Eastwood if thats what it takes to get a classy striker who is capable of a lot of goals.
lets just wait and see though!
Goldwolf
03-07-2007, 17:21
Reading the comments on the article is enough to drive you to despair.
Moxy Must GO!!!!!!
last season was amazing but that had nothing to do with moxey. Thanks to Mick im excited to be a wolves fan again, because hes been such a great manager and made us have such a great season, people are letting moxey off the hook,and in my opinion if the season ticket sales had of been down we would have signed one of these players by now to boost sales, Eastwood would easily get 20+ goals in a wolves shirt so we should do everything to get him. what i would like to know is what happened to the money from the lescott sale, and the 4.8m from henry camara (3.3m + 1.5m from the loan)this would easily pay for Eastwood, I know people will point to the cost of the trainig ground, but i definatley remember a certain RICK HAYWORD saying that the training ground would be built from outside investment when Mr Morgan Gets in im sure he will fire him one he sees what hes like, as a wolves fan i will always back our team but dont expect me to back moxey
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http://www.expressandstar.co.uk/2007/07/02/wolves-set-to-make-elliott-bid/
This is where the story has come from I think, but I wouldn't take too much notice of that as there are no quotes. What is worth a read though, are the comments underneath the story. :D
Disgraceful reporting. Basically list a clutch of names they have read about elsewhere (here?) and say "we understand" Wolves might be going for some of these. I remember the days when the Express and Star used to break stories regarding new signings. They appear to be long gone.
We need to draw a line between players being good and players being high profile. The latter does not necessarily lead to the former, and the former certainly doesn't necessarily mean the latter.
Sharp and Eastwood are high profile, it doesn't mean that they are the best signings we could make.
BlahBlah
03-07-2007, 17:53
Isnt it amazing what difference a year can make. When you read this board you can already see how peoples expectations have shifted.
Elliot is young and certainly has potential, but you do have to wonder how long he/or similar signings will be given before the crowd turns on them.
I really hope the seige mentality and enjoyment of all things good at the Wolves will continue and we dont go back to our bad old ways
Keep the faith in Mick...And Jez!
I agree. We haven't had any concrete statements from Steve Morgan yet, but the "£30million" minimum investment seems to have done us more harm than good at the moment..I hope it's not another noose around our necks which turns excellent fans into spoilt brats.
From being unable to fund anything this time last year, we're now very disappointed that we can't afford either of the 2 most talked about players in the Football League. So what? They might turn out to be the next Barry Hayles...but they could also turn into Chris Greenacre with 7 goals a season at this level.
McCarthy's proved his worth so far..and he if he thinks somebody like Elliot is better value than either Sharp or Eastwood, so be it.
johnybig32
03-07-2007, 17:59
I think Elliot would be a very good signing and i have stated this elsewhere....
He's proven at this level and has always looked dangerous to me. Yes he has had injuries but there is no doubt he would be a very good player at this level.
I have also stated that we need to trust MM...look at his deals so far, has he let us down at all?
trust in mick, he will build a team with a promotion chance.
N1GHTFALL
03-07-2007, 19:00
trust in mick, he will build a team with a promotion chance.
au contraire, we already have a team with a promotion chance even before we made any new signings.
The removal of Rickets and Clapham and the introduction of Ward and Jarvis should surey make us only stronger.
Rhoswolf
03-07-2007, 19:50
My concern is his injury record, we've gone down this road before and guess what the player with the injury record misses more games than he plays, think back to Tony Daley, George N'Dah, Carl Cort! Elliott may be the best striker in the UK, when fit, but if he's continually injured what's the point?
As a back-up signing with wages and fee linked to appearances I'd say yes, but as the main striker signing, it has to be no.
Still hopeful Freddie will sign, if not MM may have someone else up his sleeve. Time for a bit of patience, not easy, I know, after previous pre-seasons, but got to give the "soon to be" new owner a chance.
Francis Munro
03-07-2007, 22:36
As regards Elliot he'd be a welcome addition to the squad but it does appear to be a cheap alternative. With so much money (apparently) available I'd be dissapointed if we didnt go up to say 2.5million for Eastwood if thats what it takes to get a classy striker who is capable of a lot of goals.
lets just wait and see though!
Isn't this the kind of attitude we've just recently managed to shake off at last?
Going for the most expensive options and outbidding everyone else has cost us dearly over the last few years.
I know a few of you know the transfer market better than Mick, but give him a chance will you, he's not very experienced at this football lark and he's struggled since he got here, so cut him some slack.
Stewarton Wolf
03-07-2007, 23:16
Isnt it amazing what difference a year can make. When you read this board you can already see how peoples expectations have shifted.
Elliot is young and certainly has potential, but you do have to wonder how long he/or similar signings will be given before the crowd turns on them.
I really hope the seige mentality and enjoyment of all things good at the Wolves will continue and we dont go back to our bad old ways
Keep the faith in Mick...And Jez!
Its because many allowed their expectations to be lowered, and now they are returning to the correct level. Eastwood/Sharp would not be wild signings in terms of money or big profile. Elliot wouldn't be a bad signing if he was the back up to one of the previously mentioned. If he is all we are going to get then i would be worried about his injury record, it took most of the season to get Bothroyd fit.
As for keeping the faith in Jez and Mick I will have to leave that to you, sorry..
when we used to spend big money we rarely ever bought young up and coming talent.
Wivey Wolf
04-07-2007, 07:27
Isn't this the kind of attitude we've just recently managed to shake off at last?
Going for the most expensive options and outbidding everyone else has cost us dearly over the last few years.
I know a few of you know the transfer market better than Mick, but give him a chance will you, he's not very experienced at this football lark and he's struggled since he got here, so cut him some slack.
:D He needs to brush up on his Championship Manager a bit more befoe he can be really good at his job...
:D He needs to brush up on his Championship Manager a bit more befoe he can be really good at his job...
Link please.
Wivey Wolf
04-07-2007, 08:02
Link please.
To what? I think you're losing it, dear chap...
To what?...
To prove you are posting FACTS and not conjecture. You only post FACTS.
Wivey Wolf
04-07-2007, 11:24
To prove you are posting FACTS and not conjecture. You only post FACTS.
No, that's an opinion and you don't need a link for one of those, unless you're trying to pass it of as a fact, which I clearly wasn't.
Try this link, it might help:
www.how-to-use-smileys-for-losers.co.uk (http://www.how-to-use-smileys-for-losers.co.uk)
No, that's an opinion
You're allowed to have those, but no-one else is. I see.
Isn't this the kind of attitude we've just recently managed to shake off at last?
Going for the most expensive options and outbidding everyone else has cost us dearly over the last few years.
I know a few of you know the transfer market better than Mick, but give him a chance will you, he's not very experienced at this football lark and he's struggled since he got here, so cut him some slack.
I take your point but what im saying is it'd be a shame to miss out on Eastwood because Charlton are willing to splash out say half a million to a million more than us for what is (as far as I can see) the standout available striker.
We'll see how things pan out i suppose.
Flitwick Wolf
04-07-2007, 11:37
I take your point but what im saying is it'd be a shame to miss out on Eastwood because Charlton are willing to splash out say half a million to a million more than us for what is (as far as I can see) the standout available striker.
They're not. It "appears" we are offering £2m guaranteed, Charlton are offering £1.5m plus £500k add ons.
paddingtonwolf
04-07-2007, 11:37
Why would we spend half a million more to not miss out? If the Charlton bid (if it ever exists) is above our valuation then we get someone else. Charlton have far more cash to splash than we do so we look elsewhere.
Francis Munro
04-07-2007, 11:41
I take your point but what im saying is it'd be a shame to miss out on Eastwood because Charlton are willing to splash out say half a million to a million more than us for what is (as far as I can see) the standout available striker.
We'll see how things pan out i suppose.
Unfortunately we aren't in the same league financially as Charlton at the moment, so it would be pointless getting into a bidding war with them if they really want Eastwood and the Sharp business has let it be known we have limits and will stick to them.
I'd love to see us sign Sharp and/or Eastwood, but i'm glad we're not throwing money around like a drunken sailor, long term it's got to be a good thing.
..and it sounds like southend have accepted our 2 million bid so yeah i take your point. looks like its down to the Eastwood....
Wivey Wolf
04-07-2007, 12:00
You're allowed to have those, but no-one else is. I see.
As that's your opinion, you don't need to post a link to where I've not allowed other people to have an opinion.
You can, however, post a retraction (I won't bother asking for an apology) for being wrong.
Stop it, for goodness sake....(both of you)
Flitwick Wolf
04-07-2007, 12:55
Stop it,
Doesn't this normally mean "Don't stop" in women's terms?
Doesn't this normally mean "Don't stop" in women's terms?
Not in this case, no.
Wivey Wolf
04-07-2007, 12:58
Doesn't this normally mean "Don't stop" in women's terms?
Dodgy ground!!!
Sorry Mutchy - I'll stop now, but you know my feelings on this matter.
