The untouchable,invincible Sir Jack Hayward

[HIGHLANDER]

It's been demonstrated this week that SJH is pretty much invincible from any form of critisism, and that he has a large army of admirers to defend him against anyone that dares to mutter a bad word about him.I guess this loyalty awarded to him comes about because many of our supporters see him as a fan who has gifted our club unimaginable amounts of money, in their eyes, and asked for nothing back. This £50M? is an incomprehendable amount of money in most supporters minds and this leaves those fans with no idea how much this money means to SJH seen from his perspective.

Along with a few others, I view things slightly differently and see this money,though significant in a supporters eyes,as a drop in the ocean to a man such as himself.Lets face it,once a person has made £50m they have pretty much secured their own future and that of the next ten generations of the family.With SJH reputably worth £200m or more I would think that anything he has lost whilst owner of wolves doesn't really mean that much to him.I know that a guy who earns £20,000 a year and spends £4,000 of it per year following Wolves misses the money a lot more.

Although SJH has lost a disputed £50m in his time at Wolves, I would imagine that he has got a great deal of benefits out of owning the club as well, including, prestige,invaluable business contacts,social openings, and the list goes on.It hasn't all been one way and if you consider everything, he really hasn't lost that much.If we are to believe that the £50 m figure is correct,that means he has lost roughly £3m per year.

Getting back to the subject of SJH's immunity from criticism,I wonder whether the same people who defend SJH are prepared to give Steve Morgan the same 17 years that was afforded to SJH get it right at Wolves.My guess is they wont ,and good I say.I'm glad that Steve Morgan will be running Wolves as a businesss with the aim of making Money. This will make him more accountable and will ensure that he isn't untouchable as SJH has been.

[Stewarton Wolf]

Its you that's been rubbing the lamp....

[Anglian Wolf]

Along with a few others I view things slightly differently and see this money,though significant in a supporters eyes,a drop in the ocean to a man such as himself.

Probably quite true but he didn't have to put a penny into the club but he chose to. This may not be his entire fortune but it is still a fortune and it is also his children's inheritance - or a big part of it.

It's quite true that this money didn't succeed in bringing us the Premiership position and sustained status that we would have all liked. It's also quite true that many mistakes were made. However, the one thing you and the small minority who seek smear his legacy of the club fail to appreciate is the fact that while his efforts didn't succeed, they were genuine, honest and well meant.

Sorry Highlander - I will not utter a breath of criticism in Sir Jack's direction.

He's gold and black to the core and that does it for me.

[Stewarton Wolf]

It's quite true that this money didn't succeed in bringing us the Premiership position and sustained status that we would have all liked. It's also quite true that many mistakes were made. However, the one thing you and the small minority who seek smear his legacy of the club fail to appreciate is the fact that while his efforts didn't succeed, they were genuine, honest and well meant.


Because he talked the talk but failed to walk the walk. We finally get to the premier league and he doesn't invest. Short arms long pockets....

[Emperor Wolf]

Yes,that is the thing I cannot understand..why he didn´t invest when we were in the premiership.
Thinking back,the way our defence was..the keeper situation,it is a miracle we produced + 30 points.

[arthur williams]

Whats this drivel about. Highlander you keep talking in terms of what he's lost, when all who have a modicum of rationale refer to whatever the amount is as in the first insatnce, invested, but in the whole as "donated".

Get off your backside, get a job and find a worthwhile cause to champion.

[HIGHLANDER]

However, the one thing you and the small minority who seek smear his legacy of the club fail to appreciate is the fact that while his efforts didn't succeed, they were genuine, honest and well meant.

Sorry Highlander - I will not utter a breath of criticism in Sir Jack's direction.

He's gold and black to the core and that does it for me.

That's exactly why this guy has been able to stay anchored in his position at Wolves for 17 years.Anybody with the same record as SJH would have been run out of the club time along time ago.

Like you,I appreciate that his efforts were genuine,honest and well meant.I also recognise at the same time that the club is bigger than anybody and that it's welfare must come first.Sir Jacks continued involvment in Wolves over the past few years has only been detrimental to the club.I have focused on that point,put things in to perspective and put all the rubbish about the fortune that he has lost in the club to one side.It might sound ungrateful, but if more fans had adopted the same stance, the club might be in the Premiership now.I'm sure SJH wouldn't have stuck around for so long if he had been sent the right messages by the supporters a few years back.

[Emperor Wolf]

There a pluses and minuses(?)with everything in life.
SJH did many great things for us-he did some things that wasn´t quite as good as well.

[HIGHLANDER]

Whats this drivel about. Highlander you keep talking in terms of what he's lost, when all who have a modicum of rationale refer to whatever the amount is as in the first insatnce, invested, but in the whole as "donated".

Get off your backside, get a job and find a worthwhile cause to champion.

Will you tolerate 17 years of failure and give Steve Morgan the same 17 years to get things right at Wolves as you have given SJH?

[arthur williams]

What a hypathetical sort of question. You probably have the audacity to consider that "you" chose to support the Wolves. Mine's in the blood mate, theres no alternative for me, nor my dad and his dad and his dad before them. So whats seventeen years!

[5150]

That's exactly why this guy has been able to stay anchored in his position at Wolves for 17 years.Anybody with the same record as SJH would have been run out of the club time along time ago.



Any other owner maybe , but as long as he (either in madness or .....nope, pretty much just madness) continued to pump money into the club nobody was going to complain.

I have nothing but admiration for Sir Jack (met him on the awful night train back to London after a mid week game and was a true gentleman).....however, there will always be that shadow cast by his recouperation of x amount of millions when we reached the PL.A bone of contention that Dave Jones holds to this day.

As I said, true gent , kept us alive for years ( all be it with his money in the hands of the wrong manager) , a good man and Wolves through and through.....that is something that cannot be argued with and what he will be remembered for.

[MobNet Wolf]

Who spends £4000 a year following Wolves? :confused:

[HIGHLANDER]

a good man and Wolves through and through.....that is something that cannot be argued with and what he will be remembered for.Granted,and a thing that ultimately held the club back for years..

[HIGHLANDER]

Who spends £4000 a year following Wolves? :confused:For a start, any exiled supporter that goes home and away.Ask Forum member, London Wolves,and any of the other boys that travel from that part of the country how much they spend.

[Japan Wulf]

Untouchable and invincible? IS THAT ALL???????
You forgot indomitable, insuperable, admirable, magnificent, sovereign, stalwart, incomparable, peerless, superlative, unparalleled and unsurpassed.

What else, I wonder???
Hang on, I'll consult the dictionary......

Well, we've got ace, attractive, best ever, cat's pajamas, choice, commendable, cool, copacetic, crack, crackerjack, daisy, deadly, deserving, dilly, doozie, dream, estimable, excellent, exquisite, fine, gnarly, good, great, greatest, groovy, heavy, hunky dory, keen, laudable, mean, meritable, meritorious, neat, peachy, praiseworthy, rare, smashing, solid, spiffy, super, super-duper, superior, unreal, valuable, wicked, wonderful, worthy...

Then there's altruistic, beneficent, benevolent, big, bounteous, bountiful, charitable, chivalrous, considerate, easy, equitable, excellent, fair, free, good, greathearted, helpful, high-minded, honest, honorable, hospitable, just, kind, kindhearted, kindly, lavish, liberal, lofty, loose, magnanimous, moderate, munificent, noble, open-handed, philanthropic, princely, prodigal, profuse, reasonable, soft touch, thoughtful, tolerant, ungrudging, unselfish, unsparing, unstinting, willing......

This is fun! He's also courteous, deferential, demure, diffident, modest, obliging, respectful, reverential, unostentatious and unpretentious,able, acute, alert, alive, apt, astute, capable, comprehending, discerning, enlightened, exceptionally highbrow, imaginative, ingenious, knowledgeable, penetrating, perceptive, perspicacious, profound, quick-witted, rational, ready, reasonable, resourceful, responsible, sage, sharp, smart, thinking, understanding, well-informed, wise and witty.

SIR JACK HAYWARD...WHAT A MAN!

[Stewarton Wolf]

Who spends £4000 a year following Wolves? :confused:
A lot of people with children who go.

Adult 2 kids season tickets £750+ Travel/food/shirts/time of work, soon adds up. When you get out of the student ballboy stage with hand outs from your mum. You'll understand that leisure activities cost.

Without a season ticket it costs me £75 for me and my lad to go to a home game - without travel costs etc.

[5150]

Granted,and a thing that ultimately held the club back for years..

Marketing wise ? I am not sure.......the whole global marketing thing has only really been a success with Man U (in England anyway).

Team wise ? .... I am not sure I understand how he can be held accountable for Managers (cannot remember if he himself sanctioned the appointments) that basically ****ed his money up the wall !

[5150]

A lot of people with children who go.

Adult 2 kids season tickets £750+ Travel/food/shirts/time of work, soon adds up. When you get out of the student ballboy stage with hand outs from your mum. You'll understand that leisure activities cost.

Without a season ticket it costs me £75 for me and my lad to go to a home game - without travel costs etc.

Indeed ....remember taking the wife and kids to Palarse , and it cost £140 !!.....and we walked to the ground !!

[HIGHLANDER]

A lot of people with children who go.

Adult 2 kids season tickets £750+ Travel/food/shirts/time of work, soon adds up. When you get out of the student ballboy stage with hand outs from your mum. You'll understand that leisure activities cost.

Without a season ticket it costs me £75 for me and my lad to go to a home game - without travel costs etc.He thinks that like himself, every Wolves fan has a season ticket and lives nearby.Wait until he goes to poly and has to travel back to Wolvo for games.

[London Wolves]

Who spends £4000 a year following Wolves? :confused:

Me if you make it £4000+ :(

[HIGHLANDER]

Me if you make it £4000+ :(Guilty as well :o I've spent less the past few years though.

[Japan Wulf]

Untouchable and invincible? IS THAT ALL???????
You forgot indomitable, insuperable, admirable, magnificent, sovereign, stalwart, incomparable, peerless, superlative, unparalleled and unsurpassed.

What else, I wonder???
Hang on, I'll consult the dictionary......

Well, we've got ace, attractive, best ever, cat's pajamas, choice, commendable, cool, copacetic, crack, crackerjack, daisy, deadly, deserving, dilly, doozie, dream, estimable, excellent, exquisite, fine, gnarly, good, great, greatest, groovy, heavy, hunky dory, keen, laudable, mean, meritable, meritorious, neat, peachy, praiseworthy, rare, smashing, solid, spiffy, super, super-duper, superior, unreal, valuable, wicked, wonderful, worthy...

Then there's altruistic, beneficent, benevolent, big, bounteous, bountiful, charitable, chivalrous, considerate, easy, equitable, excellent, fair, free, good, greathearted, helpful, high-minded, honest, honorable, hospitable, just, kind, kindhearted, kindly, lavish, liberal, lofty, loose, magnanimous, moderate, munificent, noble, open-handed, philanthropic, princely, prodigal, profuse, reasonable, soft touch, thoughtful, tolerant, ungrudging, unselfish, unsparing, unstinting, willing......

This is fun! He's also courteous, deferential, demure, diffident, modest, obliging, respectful, reverential, unostentatious and unpretentious,able, acute, alert, alive, apt, astute, capable, comprehending, discerning, enlightened, exceptionally highbrow, imaginative, ingenious, knowledgeable, penetrating, perceptive, perspicacious, profound, quick-witted, rational, ready, reasonable, resourceful, responsible, sage, sharp, smart, thinking, understanding, well-informed, wise and witty.



And if you try really, really hard you can even sing that lot to the tune of," I am the very model of a modern Major-General" from the Pirates of Penzance.

Just an idea.....

[London Wolves]

Never mind Highlander, we are on the eve of the dawning of another great Golden era for Wolves.

SJH might one day be a long distant memory for you when we are Champions of Europe (sorry the world!) again ;)

[HIGHLANDER]

And if you try really, really hard you can even sing that lot to the tune of," I am the very model of a modern Major-General" from the Pirates of Penzance.

Just an idea.....You've just made that a priority for me tonight.

[djackl]

For a start, any exiled supporter that goes home and away.Ask Forum member, London Wolves,and any of the other boys that travel from that part of the country how much they spend.

I'm guessing you're not a forum member we can ask about that then :)

I'm surprised you have to gall to be critical of anyone associated with the club. You shouldn't have to ask a true Wolves fan whether they would 'tolerate' any period of time dependant on who the owner is. I go to see the Wolves, I don't go to moan about who's in charge.

Why even bother claiming to support something if your sole objective is to complain about the entire setup? Are you saying that under Hayward you have merely been 'tolerating' the Wolves, while listening to the games on BBC WM.

Reasoned debate, here is the topic of discussion:

How can anybody who complains so much about a football club then justifiably claim to support it?

[Florida Wolfey]

Highlander,
Serious question:

What have you ever achieved in your life?

[Stewarton Wolf]

Watch out Highlander here they come:rolleyes:

[Florida Wolfey]

Watch out Highlander here they come:rolleyes:

Same question to you. ;)

[MobNet Wolf]

Guilty as well :o I've spent less the past few years though.

A year??

Are you counting some sort of "pay per moaning post about SJH" basis?

[Stewarton Wolf]

A year??

Are you counting some sort of "pay per moaning post about SJH" basis?

I would imagine Highlander like myself is older than 15 and remembers when we mixed it with the best in the land and even in europe. As such our expectations and standards are maybe a little higher than your average ball boy:)

[Stewarton Wolf]

Same question to you. ;)

Plenty.

[MobNet Wolf]

I would imagine Highlander like myself is older than 15 and remembers when we mixed it with the best in the land and even in europe. As such our expectations and standards are maybe a little higher than your average ball boy:)

And yourself and Highlander would be even further away from those days of mixing with the best if it weren't for SJH.

[Stans the man]

In fairness I think it is easily possible to be critical of a club you support if your interests are purely to see it sitting at the summit. Now to what level and at whom is perhaps the debatable point, but I see no harm in asking awkward questions now and again.

[Stewarton Wolf]

And yourself and Highlander would be even further away from those days of mixing with the best if it weren't for SJH.
How do you work that one out 2nd division when he took over 2nd division now. Plenty of other clubs have been more sucessful in the same period without the sugar daddy that never was.

[Florida Wolfey]

Plenty.

Always sad when people knock others who have actually achieved things when they themselves have done nothing. Your response shows you are a legend in your own mind. Good luck.

[djackl]

I would imagine Highlander like myself is older than 15 and remembers when we mixed it with the best in the land and even in europe. As such our expectations and standards are maybe a little higher than your average ball boy:)

I would imagine that most of us are older than 15. Your point being?

If Highlander and yourself are incapable of changing your expectations to suit the incumbent situation, then you are equally as bad as the owner you are currently slating for 'holding the club back'. How can the club progress if the fans are still hell bent on living on past glories?

[Mutchy]

It's been demonstrated this week that SJH is pretty much invincible from any form of critisism, and that he has a large army of admirers to defend him against anyone that dares to mutter a bad word about him.I guess this loyalty awarded to him comes about because many of our supporters see him as a fan who has gifted our club unimaginable amounts of money, in their eyes, and asked for nothing back. This £50M? is an incomprehendable amount of money in most supporters minds and this leaves those fans with no idea how much this money means to SJH seen from his perspective.

Along with a few others, I view things slightly differently and see this money,though significant in a supporters eyes,as a drop in the ocean to a man such as himself.Lets face it,once a person has made £50m they have pretty much secured their own future and that of the next ten generations of the family.With SJH reputably worth £200m or more I would think that anything he has lost whilst owner of wolves doesn't really mean that much to him.I know that a guy who earns £20,000 a year and spends £4,000 of it per year following Wolves misses the money a lot more.

Although SJH has lost a disputed £50m in his time at Wolves, I would imagine that he has got a great deal of benefits out of owning the club as well, including, prestige,invaluable business contacts,social openings, and the list goes on.It hasn't all been one way and if you consider everything, he really hasn't lost that much.If we are to believe that the £50 m figure is correct,that means he has lost roughly £3m per year.

Getting back to the subject of SJH's immunity from criticism,I wonder whether the same people who defend SJH are prepared to give Steve Morgan the same 17 years that was afforded to SJH get it right at Wolves.My guess is they wont ,and good I say.I'm glad that Steve Morgan will be running Wolves as a businesss with the aim of making Money. This will make him more accountable and will ensure that he isn't untouchable as SJH has been.

Probably the most reasonable post you've made about Sir Jack, but its not the way you usually approach the subject, is it? There's a major difference between this and mudslinging or making malicious allegations.
One question though.. as you so easily dismiss Sir Jack putting approx 25% of his wealth into Wolves, if Steve Morgan puts the equivalent of his fortune, say £100 million, will that not really count for much either?

[HIGHLANDER]

Highlander,
Serious question:

What have you ever achieved in your life?A football internet forum is not the place to discuss my mine or others lifetime achievements.On a internet forum a person can be anything that they want to be, so any answer that I give I would not expect to be taken seriously...i.e I could tell you that I am a successfull businessman and live in luxury in Florida.Get my drift ?

[MobNet Wolf]

How do you work that one out 2nd division when he took over 2nd division now.

I knew that weak argument was coming. We may not have moved any further forward divisional wise, but we have a stadium and an owner who has now been given the club for a tenner, with £30m promised investment.

So I reiterate, SJH has got you closer to mixing it with the big boys than you were.

[djackl]

To say that spending a quarter of your personal wealth on a football club 'doesn't mean that much' is a clearly fallacious argument Mutchy. I'm not sure how you can describe it as reasonable :)

[Florida Wolfey]

In fairness I think it is easily possible to be critical of a club you support if your interests are purely to see it sitting at the summit. Now to what level and at whom is perhaps the debatable point, but I see no harm in asking awkward questions now and again.
Totally agree and I'm sure SJH would himself like to rewind the clock and do things over again. However, life is life. We all make mistakes and we can all do things better.

I find it very sad that people knock others who try to succeed instead of themselves saying "I'd like to have a go at that" and then work towards it. Each of us is born with the same opportunity in life....some folks born more fortunate than others...but overall, if you set your mindset the correct way, you will not become the finger pointing blame merchant, the cynic, the victim, the "what's in it for me", or the hopeless case that people like Highlander are close to becoming.

This continued attack on a gentleman who has achieved a great deal in his life and who has given back to many many causes is nothing short of outrageous. Give it a rest.

[Stewarton Wolf]

I would imagine that most of us are older than 15. Your point being?

If Highlander and yourself are incapable of changing your expectations to suit the incumbent situation, then you are equally as bad as the owner you are currently slating for 'holding the club back'. How can the club progress if the fans are still hell bent on living on past glories?

But isn't the Hayward love in just that, only its 17 years of massive under achievement yet we are supposed to be all eternally grateful. I am looking forward not back but we must use history as a benchmark, and set our goals accordingly. The downsizing of expectation is damaging I'm sure the new owner won't mess about like Hayward did, Sacked Turner too late, Taylor, too early and the rest is a blind stagger from one crisis to another.

[Florida Wolfey]

A football internet forum is not the place to discuss my mine or others lifetime achievements.On a internet forum a person can be anything that they want to be, so any answer that I give I would not expect to be taken seriously...i.e I could tell you that I am a successfull businessman and live in luxury in Florida.Get my drift ?
Oh yeah I get your drift. It's OK to talk about SJH but not about yourself and your own failings. I feel sorry for you. You're obviously a product of modern day Britain. Glad I escaped.

[Stewarton Wolf]

To say that spending a quarter of your personal wealth on a football club 'doesn't mean that much' is a clearly fallacious argument Mutchy. I'm not sure how you can describe it as reasonable :)

Look at his wealth over the 17 years and show me the £50m hole. I think you will find he is better off than he has ever been.

[sjonnie]

I knew that weak argument was coming. We may not have moved any further forward divisional wise, but we have a stadium and an owner who has now been given the club for a tenner, with £30m promised investment.

So I reiterate, SJH has got you closer to mixing it with the big boys than you were.

Well he may have done inadvertently - by selling up. But up to now the Hayward years have been a spectacular failure.

[HIGHLANDER]

How can the club progress if the fans are still hell bent on living on past glories?The supporters of all clubs look to past achievments with pride.Successful,well run clubs can live with the expectation that this creates,others can't.

[MobNet Wolf]

Well he may have done inadvertently - by selling up. But up to now the Hayward years have been a spectacular failure.

Highlander's point is that the failure is SJH's fault. Would you agree?

[Stewarton Wolf]

Oh yeah I get your drift. It's OK to talk about SJH but not about yourself and your own failings. I feel sorry for you. You're obviously a product of modern day Britain. Glad I escaped.

Tax exile come home and contribute like the rest of us:)

[Stans the man]

Just bringing you up on one thing though Highlander. Do you honestly think SJH bought the club for "prestige,invaluable business contacts,social openings"? At the end of the day this is someone who knows Her Majesty on a personal basis, has given money to a number of causes stretching back several decades and whose wealth is rather in excess of the figure you gave. On those terms he's a bit above the likes of John Ireland.

[HIGHLANDER]

Oh yeah I get your drift. It's OK to talk about SJH but not about yourself and your own failings. I feel sorry for you. You're obviously a product of modern day Britain. Glad I escaped.Thing is we all know sir Jacks failings,they are there for us all to see..Discussing mine is a waste of time

I'm glad you escaped as well mate.If you hadn't, I might have had to sit next to you at the Golden Palace.

[HIGHLANDER]

Highlander's point is that the failure is SJH's fault. Would you agree?Ultimately,yes.

[arthur williams]

Highlander, do you go to games with a pre-prepared banner in your inside pocket, by any chance?

[djackl]

I don't think anybody is disputing the fact that we have made no net progress through the divisions in these 17 years.

I would say that "17 years of massive under acheivement" is quite a large assertion, which can be interpreted either way. From my side, it would take a lot of evidence to suggest that these 17 years have been a complete waste of time, and I don't think this evidence exists in sufficient quantities.

What I am personally not happy with is Highlander's statement that the money never really meant anything to Hayward anyway and that he has actually made some sort of financial gain by giving Wolves a quarter of his personal fortune. Factor in the minimum of 30 million that he is securing for the club in this takeover, and you see Hayward responsible for at least £80 million being put into this club.

What I am not happy with is the fact that Highlander is clearly displaying the politics of envy. He sees a (self-made, I might point out) wealthy man and assumes that he doesn't care about his money. If that man then chooses to put a quarter of his wealth into the club he supports (not asking for it back, mind) then in Highlander's eyes, Hayward is there to be sniped at. Well I tell you what, you don't succeed by taking pot shots at those who have had more success than you have.

If Highlander is asking why Hayward is 'untouchable', I would make clear that it is not like he has swindled something out of the fans. It is because this Wolverhampton man has gone out, made his money and come back to support the team he loves. People with his kind of fortune don't need to do that, yet he did so.

I wonder whether Highlander will lead a similar crusade if/when we find ticket prices rising. That's the club being run as a business for you.

Ultimately,yes.

I'm sure sjonnie can answer for himself.

[HIGHLANDER]

Just bringing you up on one thing though Highlander. Do you honestly think SJH bought the club for "prestige,invaluable business contacts,social openings"? At the end of the day this is someone who knows Her Majesty on a personal basisTo some people you can never have enough prestige,social and business opportunities...The additional openings one can make in the boardrooms of English football clubs are hardly going to do SJH any harm are they?

[Stewarton Wolf]

Hayward wasn't self made he was a millionaires son, he has been sucessful in business although there are some shadows over that as well. I accept there is a degree of ruthlessness.

But in football he has been shocking, one promotion, one immeadiate relegation in 17 years

[Stans the man]

Well if you think that Highlander then fine. I don't really see it myself, and from my own dealings with the club it was more a case of people trying to get a leg-up on the networking ladder by rubbing shoulders with him than it being how you describe.

[sjonnie]

Highlander's point is that the failure is SJH's fault. Would you agree?

I guess as sole owner the ultimate responsibility would be Hayward's, yes. He and only he has the ability to make all the important decisions. The trouble with the last 17 years really is although he may have been well meaning, he has been an absentee owner/chairman that really hasn't driven the club forward in the same way as other comparable owners such as John Hall and Jack Walker.

[HIGHLANDER]

I wonder whether Highlander will lead a similar crusade if/when we find ticket prices rising. That's the club being run as a business for you.
I don't mind paying a bit more if the end product is better.Man Utd fans were burning their season tickets when the Glazers tookover.How many empty seats were there last year at Old Trafford?

Getting back to my main point.With Steve Morgan coming in to the club to run it primarily as a busineess,I feel it's a good thing as it will ensure he's not immune from criticism.Fans are going to expect success and if they dont get it they will not allow the club to lurch from crisis to crisis for years and say "dear old Steve"

[Hatch End Wolf]

In my opinion Sir Jack had a plan at the start. Rebuild the stadium, put some money into the team for a couple of seasons, we would return to our rightful place in the top division of English football and we would then be self financing.

He got first bit right except the Mol ended up with too small a capacity. The second bit turned out to be more difficult due to a series of poor managers and sheer bad luck.

When we didn't get promoted after a few years he just lost his way. First he would put money in for a while, then stop again. With no future planning policy, because he never had a plan, we stumbled on. When we eventually got promoted he was as overjoyed as the rest of us, as anybody who was at the Millenium can confirm. Unfortunately when we got to the Premiership he still hadn't got a plan and hadn't worked out that staying there was even more difficult than getting there in the first place.

He's a rich man, a successful business man, but he turned his business brain off when he bought Wolves. Maybe he was too much of a fan.

[HIGHLANDER]

Highlander, do you go to games with a pre-prepared banner in your inside pocket, by any chance?That wasn't me with the banner back in 2002. You know the one " You've let us down again "....That was just another one of the thousands of Wolves supporters who live in the real world, maybe one of the many who have now deserted the club.

[Bradders]

And yourself and Highlander would be even further away from those days of mixing with the best if it weren't for SJH.

It's impossible to say that as a fact Mobnet. There's a team not too far from us who have managed to rebulid their run down stadium and have had 3 seasons in the top flight and all without a sugar daddy bankrolling it.

You are too young to remember it mate, but 16 years ago SJH stood in front of the South Bank and said he would make games against Arsenal and Liverpool regular events and getting to cup finals. It was SJH who built up the expectation around the club. 1 season in the top flight would be seen as a failure against the expectation levels that he set and money he spent.

You certainly can't fault the man for trying and he had 2 or 3 serious attempts to make it happen. Yep, thanks for giving us some hopes and ambitions and for re-building the ground. But we can't say that we wouldn't have achieved the same or more without SJH, just look at Albion who've achieved more in the same period.

[wearewolves]

Of course SJH's ownership of the club has been a failure - if he's as straight talking as he's supposed to be then he would be the first to admit it himself. You look at the sides that were around us or below us when he took over who are now in the Premier League - Middlesbrough, Newcastle, Portsmouth, Blackburn, Reading, Wigan, Bolton, Blues and Fulham not to mention those who have spent significant spells there such as Charlton, Ipswich, Charlton and that lot, and you can see that our one season in the sun is not much of a return. That said we have not sunk again like we did in the 1980s and the same division also contains above us Oldham, Notts County (both promoted!!!), Brighton, Millwall, Bristol City and Oxford - SJH's funding at least guaranteed that - not much of a return you might say but you'd have taken in 1986!

But I wouldn't question his desire or character - he is clearly an achiever and a philanthropist but his ability at running a football club, with hindsight, is not good. He spent a lot of money badly, and my one true regret for him is that he spread the largesse over a long time - imagine the money spent over 2-3 seasons to get us up and establish us. I still don't know what happened in 2003 - I don't believe it was payback time, I just think that we planned very, very badly (i.e. getting promotion with a team full of ageing players who had already tried and failed at the highest level) and reaped the rewards.

The key word, as ever, is hindsight.

[Emperor Wolf]

I think the way english club football developed is a factor.
I do believe SJH from the start wanted Wolves to be able to win titles,probably aiming longterm for a Premeirship title.
Then he understood after a while that we(he)couldn´t compete financially with the likes of the BIG clubs.He saw what Blackburns top man had to dish out in order to win the title.He saw how things developed much more from that.
I think he realized at some point that he wasn´t able to bankroll us to the premiership title,and some of the spark went away.
SJH is a man that wants to win things as I understand it.Just establishing us in the premiership wasn´t interesting enough.
That is the only reason I can see for him not to invest preseason 03/04.

[Big Mack]

Highlander,

Can you please start putting gaps after your commas and fullstops? I'm trying read your argument but its doing my head in. Its like trying to read someone's streamofconsciousness.

Thanks.

[Anglian Wolf]

Can we please just move on.

There is so much positivity around the club at the moment and here we are the usual minority trying their damnedest to drag us down into depression.

Look to the future - it's golden

[HIGHLANDER]

Highlander,

Can you please start putting gaps after your commas and fullstops? I'm trying read your argument but its doing my head in. Its like trying to read someone's streamofconsciousness.

Thanks.I think this is a case of, you've lost the argument now you're picking up on the grammar and spelling e.t.c. ?

If you are serious you could always get some new spectacles to enable you to spot the punctuation marks better ;) If that fails I promise that I'll leave gaps in future.

[Stewarton Wolf]

I think the way english club football developed is a factor.
I do believe SJH from the start wanted Wolves to be able to win titles,probably aiming longterm for a Premeirship title.
Then he understood after a while that we(he)couldn´t compete financially with the likes of the BIG clubs.He saw what Blackburns top man had to dish out in order to win the title.He saw how things developed much more from that.
I think he realized at some point that he wasn´t able to bankroll us to the premiership title,and some of the spark went away.
SJH is a man that wants to win things as I understand it.Just establishing us in the premiership wasn´t interesting enough.
That is the only reason I can see for him not to invest preseason 03/04.

So in short after all the hype - He bottled it.

[gaz kford]

That wasn't me with the banner back in 2002. You know the one " You've let us down again "....That was just another one of the thousands of Wolves supporters who live in the real world, maybe one of the many who have now deserted the club.

I'll tell him that, next time i see him mate. :)

[HIGHLANDER]

I'll tell him that, next time i see him mate. :)



What, you mean he is still alive? I thought the Jez and SJH lovers on Molineux mix had put a contract out on him and snuffed him out ;)

[gaz kford]

What, you mean he is still alive? I thought the Jez and SJH lovers on Molineux mix had put a contract out on him and snuffed him out ;)

To get to him, they have to go through me!!! We stick together this side of the Blackcountry!!! ;)

[5150]

So in short after all the hype - He bottled it.

Just trying to think back as to timing of the whole "here have £28.50 to stay in the PL".

When did we lose Murray and Lescott ?.....got the season review for a birthday pressie and forgot what a good side we had that season of finally gaining promotion.

How much time did we have to replace Lescott and Murray and (slightly off topic) would they have made a difference ?

[HIGHLANDER]

To get to him, they have to go through me!!! We stick together this side of the Blackcountry!!! ;)

You keep on looking after him now you hear ;)

[wanderer24]

I get where your coming from Highlander. He built himself (justified or not) this reputation of being this lovely old man who's heart is in the right place. If anybody says anything slightly negative towards him there will be thousands waiting to hunt you down for daring to slur him. Ultimately he wasn't successful as owner and yet wasn't really accountable for it. Morgan will be accountable to himself and given his business brain he won't let this club be anything other than a success, certainly in financial terms. If he does decide to sell down the line when we have Premiership stability then you won't here me complaining, just as you won't here Portsmouth fans complain about what Mandaric did for them.

[GoldenHorseshoe]

My feeling is that SJH realizes his level of failure, and was scared that if he died, and the club passed to one of his inept offspring, who, unlike him, did not have that built in love of the team, we could have the spectre of another Bhatti era.
We have to thank him for this final gesture, and hope like hell that he has got it right this time, i.e. found an owner that will invest wisely and will enable the club to prosper.
Unfortunately he's not a born and bred Wolves fan, but perhaps this will be a blessing in disguise.

[OldWolvesfart]

Tell you what Highlander why don't you tell us what Sir jack should have done in the last 17 years. Then explain to us why , a $$$$$$ in your book. should have kept pumping money into a club that just kept failing unless he was just trying to keep it alive.
Then imagine where Wolves would be now without Sir Jack. Try looking back to those good old days in in division 3 and 4 as it was then.
He may have made mistakes but it was his money he was entitled.
You just love the controversy you know you do, wind em up and see what comes back - you say stop I'll say go.

[HIGHLANDER]

I get where your coming from Highlander. He built himself (justified or not) this reputation of being this lovely old man who's heart is in the right place. If anybody says anything slightly negative towards him there will be thousands waiting to hunt you down for daring to slur him. Ultimately he wasn't successful as owner and yet wasn't really accountable for it. Morgan will be accountable to himself and given his business brain he won't let this club be anything other than a success, certainly in financial termsYou've summed up accurately pretty well much of what I've been saying.

I'm not bothered that Morgan is Liverpool f.c through and through, so what if he has bought Wolves to make Money. What I do know is, if he is going to make money out of Wolves, we are going to have to be in the Premiership. That'll do me.

[Professional]

How much time did we have to replace Lescott and Murray and (slightly off topic) would they have made a difference ?
The whole thing was $$$$ed up with the fact that Jones 'needed' a new contract, and that he had no number 2, either.

If Jones had pulled his finger out his arse, then we could have had at least a half chance of staying there.

[HIGHLANDER]

Tell you what Highlander why don't you tell us what Sir jack should have done in the last 17 years.
SJH should have been more selective on who he surrounded himself with at Wolves. I think the appointment of John Richards, Jon, Jez and Tim nice but dim to the position of chairman/ Ceo illustrates my point.

Then explain to us why , a $$$$$$ in your book. should have kept pumping money into a club that just kept failing unless he was just trying to keep it alive.Wolves have never been dead Since SJH has been at Wolves, they weren't when he took over either. Why do you say he " he was just trying to keep it alive ?

Then imagine where Wolves would be now without Sir Jack.Take WBA for an example of just one of many. They have rebuilt their ground and been more successful on the pitch without a sugardaddy.

He may have made mistakes but it was his money he was entitled.This is not a toy though, when he realised things were not working out he should have got out.Trouble was nobody told him this loud enough.

[OldWolvesfart]

"This is not a toy though, when he realised things were not working out he should have got out.Trouble was nobody told him this loud enough.This is not a toy though, when he realised things were not working out he should have got out.Trouble was nobody told him this loud enough."

Maybe you should have told him Highlander, perhaps that was what he needed the voice of sanity to show him where he was going wrong.

[Big Mack]

I think this is a case of, you've lost the argument now you're picking up on the grammar and spelling e.t.c.

Lost the argument? I didn't even join in. Maybe its you who needs the specs...

[HIGHLANDER]

Lost the argument? I didn't even join in. Maybe its you who needs the specs...I know you didn't join in.You're just another one of the many that has been seduced by Hayward myth. Rather than openly join in and have a pop at me, you thought you would change tactics and have a cheap dig to rubbish me about my grammar. It really smells of desperation everytime that stunt is pulled.

Have you keep off Sir Jacks back because you have felt that it is impossible to criticise him after he has gifted the club large sums of money ?

Will you continue to support and defend Steve Morgan if he is unable to move Wolves forward over the next 10 years or so ?

[Florida Wolfey]

There's a massive difference between SJH and Morgan. Morgan is a Liverpool fan and he tried to buy them not so long ago. I am extremely uncomfortable having this guy as the owner of our club and there's no way he will ever feel as strongly about our club like SJH has.

SJH made some big mistakes. Trusting his sons with the club were two of them but we still had him to fall back on when they goofed up. What will happen when Morgan feels like disappearing or a better offer comes his way?

Some folks think this is a good move for our club...I can't feel that way.

[fullmoon]

Highlander,there are times i must say you have a way of putting in a topic that you yourself knows its gonna be a long and unwinding debatable issues thrown in.
The fact that i myself believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and like myself would love to have a dig just about anything that goes against our beloved club.The fact that SJH writing off the millions or whether he has make millions will never be a big issue for us as we are now truly focus on a new beginnig and a sort of revolutions of changes being created in the club and fans itselfs.

I will not deny that there will always be others who supports your causes.Only consolation you have will be that it's only a handful.SJH was no ordinary owner.He was a true Gold and Black and one of us.

That's what makes the differences in opinion of what you have all along stated about SJH.The fact remains that no matter what you are going to bring up about SJH,it will always backfires.You are still a mate just as one of us because we are Wolves,right mate;) ?
Now,we have a 2007-2008 season with plenty of optimisms and challenges to look for with enthusisam.Lets keep the chins up and let SJH's enjoy his retirement to a peaceful end.God bless us all :)

[Japan Wulf]

At the eve of a "new era" we all seem to be looking at "Jack's era" with different points of view....'cos we are all different people.
Personally, I love the old fellow but I have to admit that he has made some wierd decisions at times. They've all been documented - many in this thread - so I won't go over old ground.
Where would we have been without Jack? Who knows? We might well have achieved success the "hard way" without someone's millions; built a new stadium stand by stand over the years and gathered together a telented team of players who genuinely wanted to wear our colours. On the other hand we might have struggled on in a ground with only two sides open, failed to produce home grown talent and failed to keep the support of our fans. And that is a moot point. Blithly saying that the Baggies did it and so could we just doesn't wash. There are teams still playing in old stadia. There are ex European champions in League 1.
As Florida just mentioned, the thing about Jack is that he really loves Wolves. That, unlike a player or a new stand, is something that you can't put a price on.
Like a lot of people I've probably been a little over excited about the take over at Wolves. Steve Morgan will, I hope be a capable and generous owner. But whatever his qualities, I doubt if he will be motivated by the same love of the club that SJH had. Perhaps this is not a bad thing; a more objective approach may serve us better in the long run. Time will tell.
During Jack's time we have realised a new stadium (don't split hairs!) a new training ground and er, one season in the Prem. Could have been better but it could well have been a darned sight worse.

[GoldenHorseshoe]

There's a massive difference between SJH and Morgan. Morgan is a Liverpool fan and he tried to buy them not so long ago. I am extremely uncomfortable having this guy as the owner of our club and there's no way he will ever feel as strongly about our club like SJH has.

SJH made some big mistakes. Trusting his sons with the club were two of them but we still had him to fall back on when they goofed up. What will happen when Morgan feels like disappearing or a better offer comes his way?

Some folks think this is a good move for our club...I can't feel that way.

I'm a little bit the same Florida, as I said earlier, I am hoping that SJH has got this right in finding a good custodian, but at the moment I am very wary.

[wolfie smith]

What, you mean he is still alive? I thought the Jez and SJH lovers on Molineux mix had put a contract out on him and snuffed him out ;)

if we could have done that guess who'd be top of the list now;)

theres no doubt £50m going into the club should really have established us in the top league, it didnt, SJH tried, he loves the club and i for one am grateful. i am pretty sure when this takeover deal goes through we will hear from SJH and my guess is he will admit some mistakes, have some regrets but will still have wolves in his heart.

the blackpool manager yesterday said something quite apt for us too, he said "We'll never take the history away but now there are players here who want to go and make names for themselves.
Hopefully this is the start of the progression for the football club."
our "history" was almost 50 years ago, we cant forget it, but we must put things behind us and concentrate on the future, highlander that includes you, embrace what is coming and be positive.

[wanderer24]

What's it matter if SJH had his heart in the club? It didn't motivate him to make a success of being owner and in the end he left the running of the club to a man who doesn't even love football, never mind Wolves. Where Morgan's heart is will have no bearing on the level of success we have and SJH's insight into how the fans feel had no influence in the many gaf's made which angered the fans.
People are tied in to this emotional gibberish which is associated to Hayward and his time. Have the last 17 years been so great?
The only people who need to show passion at this club are the manager and the players. Morgan and Moxey need to get the business side right without emotional attachment.

[Stewarton Wolf]

What's it matter if SJH had his heart in the club? It didn't motivate him to make a success of being owner and in the end he left the running of the club to a man who doesn't even love football, never mind Wolves. Where Morgan's heart is will have no bearing on the level of success we have and SJH's insight into how the fans feel had no influence in the many gaf's made which angered the fans.
People are tied in to this emotional gibberish which is associated to Hayward and his time. Have the last 17 years been so great?
The only people who need to show passion at this club are the manager and the players. Morgan and Moxey need to get the business side right without emotional attachment.

It was that much in his heart he said

Oliver Irish
Sunday August 3, 2003
The Observer (http://www.observer.co.uk/)

Sir Jack Hayward, Britain's 231st richest man, will drive for miles to avoid having to pay to park his car.

'It's an odd quirk, I know,' he says. 'I really should be psychoanalysed.' For a man with an aversion to carpark charges, Hayward is staggeringly generous when it comes to the love of his life, Wolverhampton Wanderers. He once described himself, with characteristic self-depracation, as a 'golden tit', always there for Wolves to suckle on.

He has ploughed an estimated £60 million of his personal fortune into the club, an investment which paid out at last, when Wolves beat Sheffield United, 3-0, in last season's First Division play-off final, to gain promotion to the Premiership.

This win, which came 13 long years after he bought the club for £2.1m, was the missing piece in Hayward's life: 'The club is back where it used to be with the Manchester Uniteds, Arsenals and Liverpools.'

The big question is, can Wolves stay in the top division?

Hayward, who is 80 and has a pacemaker, has no intention of relaxing: 'The only way I'll leave [football] is in a coffin.'

He promises to strengthen the squad; without investment, he knows, Wolves cannot survive in such a competitve league. But he is cautious. 'We don't want to do a Barnsley, Bradford or Ipswich,' he says. 'Birmingham did it the right way - they've consolidated in the Premiership and made a profit of £6m.'

Sir Jack, who has dismissed many managers at Wolves, is unlikely to respond well to relegation next May. Manager Dave Jones should remember that Hayward takes defeat personally: 'Every time we lose, I feel like running a warm bath and slashing my wrists.'

1. He didn't deliver.
2. He carefully introduced the emotion with statement like this
3. As you can see the money he has invested in the club goes up or down depending on the media he is courting

or

If like many do on here believe every word he says without question, he has recovered £10m since the Premier season.

[leedswolf]

I'm glad that Steve Morgan will be running Wolves as a businesss with the aim of making Money. This will make him more accountable and will ensure that he isn't untouchable as SJH has been.

Will it? To who will he be accountable? The shareholders? Oh I remember, Mr Morgan owns all the shares. He owns WWFC. He is no more accountable to us (I assume that's who you mean) than SJH was.

[N1GHTFALL]

One thing is for sure, Morgan won't make any return on £30milion if we languish in the Chamionship for the next 7 years. To be a "Global Brand" we need Premiership status. Run the Club like a business, get us in hte Premiership, secure our place as one of the top clubs then take your return Mr Morgan. Seems a happy trade off, after all running the Club for the passion of it just made us look like we didn't belong in the top flight.

[djackl]

Will it? To who will he be accountable? The shareholders? Oh I remember, Mr Morgan owns all the shares. He owns WWFC. He is no more accountable to us (I assume that's who you mean) than SJH was.

You expected a sensible argument?

[Bradders]

Blithly saying that the Baggies did it and so could we just doesn't wash. There are teams still playing in old stadia. There are ex European champions in League 1.


Indeed Japan Wulf. But those fans saying "we wouldn't have made the top flight without SJH" or "we'd have gone bust" are just as wrong.

We have no idea what would or wouldn't have happened without SJH.

If you look at the teams who finished around or below us the summer SJH took over Albion, Bolton and Charlton are 3 examples of teams to achieve more than we did without a rich owner. Whereas teams like Oxford, Brighton and Port Vale have fallen away, Oxford out of the league altogether and Brighton don't even have a ground!

What we can say is that Wolves failed to achieve what SJH set out to do - create a team who were a permanent fixture in the top flight and a few cup finals. Other teams who were bank-rolled to a similar extent as us to get out of this league - Newcastle, Boro, Brum and more recently Reading and Wigan have all achieved more than we have. Why they did and we didn't who knows...

Things could have gone either way for us without SJH. Even the likes of Notts County, Swindon, Oldham, Bradford and Barnsley managed to have a brief moment in the top flight! It shows that promotion could well have happened to us in the same period with or without a sugar daddy.

[HIGHLANDER]

I've read through all of the posts on this thread and I think anybody who has done likewise will only come to one conclusion. That is, SJH has only stayed in power so long purely due to a considerable feeling of sentiment showed towards him from a large proportion of fans. I think it's hard to argue against, that this sentiment given to him has ultimately damaged the club and has shown that there is no room for such an emotion when it comes to running a football club.

[djackl]

We have no idea what would or wouldn't have happened without SJH.

It shows that promotion could well have happened to us in the same period with or without a sugar daddy.


Equally, we have no idea what would or wouldn't have happened if SJH did not buy the club. I can guarrantee that worse could have happened than this.

[Brusselswolf]

Going back to Highlanders original theory that losing 50m if you have 200m should not be too painful. I work for a company closely associated to Mittal, and trust me guys like that miss 50 quid, which is one of the reasons why they are soooo rich in the first place.

[PREM.L.L]

I've read through all of the posts on this thread and I think anybody who has done likewise will only come to one conclusion. That is, SJH has only stayed in power so long purely due to a considerable feeling of sentiment showed towards him from a large proportion of fans. I think it's hard to argue against, that this sentiment given to him has ultimately damaged the club and has shown that there is no room for such an emotion when it comes to running a football club.

I think that would be the conclusion you would come to before you even started this thread! Please don't patronise others that you have considered any other opinion than your own.

As said he didn't have to do anything. He CHOSE to. A lot of the spending decisions a lot of us would have agreed with and be happy with. I don't think there was one manager appointed ( maybe Lee excepted) that we all couldn't see potential for us in.

The spending in the Jones era and others was welcome and a fair few good players bought.

I personally think the only real disappointment was the failure of proper investment when we did go up. I'm happy to have a go about that but not a general sweep with a paint brush slaughtering his whole involvment, because ultimately we didn't go up and dominate europe!

[leedswolf]

You expected a sensible argument?

Nope ;)

[John]

Will it? To who will he be accountable? The shareholders? Oh I remember, Mr Morgan owns all the shares. He owns WWFC. He is no more accountable to us (I assume that's who you mean) than SJH was.
The chanting thousands of fans, if things don't work out. SJH only had the fans turn on him once, and it was only a few hundred, and it wasn't sustained. Thousands will turn on Morgan if it all goes wrong, he won't have the SJH get out clause of being a Wolves fan.

[GoldenHorseshoe]

The chanting thousands of fans, if things don't work out. SJH only had the fans turn on him once, and it was only a few hundred, and it wasn't sustained. Thousands will turn on Morgan if it all goes wrong, he won't have the SJH get out clause of being a Wolves fan.

On the other hand with Morgan NOT being a Wolves fan (born & bred) he may not give a flying $$$$ about fans chants. It got to SJH.

[Phys Ed Wolf]

I've read through all of the posts on this thread and I think anybody who has done likewise will only come to one conclusion. That is, SJH has only stayed in power so long purely due to a considerable feeling of sentiment showed towards him from a large proportion of fans. I think it's hard to argue against, that this sentiment given to him has ultimately damaged the club and has shown that there is no room for such an emotion when it comes to running a football club.
Please don't assume what conclusion I have come to. I find it condescending and patronising.

[HIGHLANDER]

Please don't assume what conclusion I have come to. I find it condescending and patronising.Condenscending,Patronising but true.

Apart from, he's alovely old bloke, he's pumped in loads of money, he's fluffy, he's cuddly, he's a Wolves fan, you and many others can't give any other reason why he should have stayed at the helm as long as he did.

My view is, it was clear many years ago that it wasn't working out so he should have gone like any other owner of a football club would have done after such failure. I have no room for stupid sentiment, in my eyes the club is bigger than any individual and its welfare must be paramount.

Stuff sentiment

Phys ed wolf, I suggest you join the womans institute, they are always on the lookout for people such as yourself.

[PREM.L.L]

Condenscending,Patronising but true.

you and many others can't give any other reason why he should have stayed at the helm as long as he did.

.

Why shouldn't he have stayed?? I don't recall any potential buy outs in his time. He was happy to keep spending and we, you included, were also happy he was pumping the funds into the club to try and get it up in the big league.

You think people were happy for him to stay because he's a sweet old grandad? how naive and stupid.

It was down to money and the fact he was a fan. He had it and was prepared to spend it, and we all hoped, but it wasn't to be.

[Phys Ed Wolf]

Condenscending,Patronising but true.

Apart from, he's alovely old bloke, he's pumped in loads of money, he's fluffy, he's cuddly, he's a Wolves fan, you and many others can't give any other reason why he should have stayed at the helm as long as he did.

My view is, it was clear many years ago that it wasn't working out so he should have gone like any other owner of a football club would have done after such failure. I have no room for stupid sentiment, in my eyes the club is bigger than any individual and its welfare must be paramount.

Stuff sentiment

Phys ed wolf, I suggest you join the womans institute, they are always on the lookout for people such as yourself.

Hold on, I've held back, I've kept my opinion to myself on this one. I've not insulted you, and never have done, though many on here have. All I've have done is ask that you don't presume to take up everyone's (particularly mine)opinion. I've not given my opinion as I think this subject has been done to death and needs to be left to rest now.
I'd like a sincere apology please and hope to debate with you sensibly in the future on another topic.

[Florida Wolfey]

Apart from, he's alovely old bloke, he's pumped in loads of money, he's fluffy, he's cuddly, he's a Wolves fan, you and many others can't give any other reason why he should have stayed at the helm as long as he did.

My view is, it was clear many years ago that it wasn't working out so he should have gone like any other owner of a football club would have done after such failure. I have no room for stupid sentiment, in my eyes the club is bigger than any individual and its welfare must be paramount.

The real reason he hasn't gone sooner is that no-one came forward until recently. Four years ago he said he would give the club away and it has taken all that time to find someone that the Board considers suitable.

In my view Highlander, and I mean this in the best possible way, you need to take your head out of your ass and wake up to the real world. In your world "success" could mean anything and no matter what Wolves achieved, eg, a sustained place in the Prem, you'd not be happy with that....you'd want to see us winning the league every year.

The welfare of the club was secured under SJH's tenure. He put in a lot of his money to try and make the club more successful and to try and appease fans like you. He realised 4 years ago he had gone as far as he could or as he was prepared to and the time for giving him credit for what he has done is now. This is not the time for taking cheap shots. SJH did his best. In some people's opinion it wasn't enough, others will disagree.

[Waggy's Boots]

So having finally arrived in the Premiership he offered the club to anyone who would match his own investment. Morgan or others could have bought us then...why did he do that? Because he is gold and black through and through and wanted to see us stay in the top flight.

He bitterly regretted not putting more money in when we finally got there - hindsight is a wonderful thing and had we stayed up (and in the end we weren't that far away) he certainly would have invested more. He finally recognised that the club needed a new owner and redoubled his efforts to find one - I have had the pleasure of meeting him and the only conditions he placed on the new ownership was that it was the right person for the club. He was happy to consider 'foreigners' and even met with Joorabchian who was talking about bringing in billionnaires (all $$$$$$$$ in the end) but sjh spoke to him and didn't just turn it down instantly as some on here would have you believe or attach unworkable strings - he is truly a fan as much as any on here - no one has yet put anything like the money he has into the club.
So all you sjh haters give the guy a break his one love is a gold and black shirt and I for one hope that we get into the premiership soon so that he can enjoy the moment.

[Big Saft Kid]

It'll be interesting to see, a year or two down the line, exactly how Morgan turns out, given that Souness (and perhaps others who came sniffing) were turned down by SJH. He clearly saw something in Morgan that he didn't see in Souness. But what? Perhaps things will become clearer in June when an official announcement is made. Morgan is a business man, and a life-long Reds fan who tried and failed to buy Liverpool. I can see why he would want to buy them... but having failed, why would he want to buy us? Certainly not because he is a fan. Because he sees a business opportunity then? Presumably SJH had sufficient confidence in his business acumen, and good faith, to sell. I only hope SJH's judgement in this case proves to be a lot better than it was in his other appointments (two useless sons on the Board, and some pretty average managerial appointments).

[ice cream head]

I'd like a sincere apology please and hope to debate with you sensibly in the future on another topic.


lol

get your head out your arse for god's sake.

[ice cream head]

this sentiment given to him has ultimately damaged the club and has shown that there is no room for such an emotion when it comes to running a football club.

Spot on.

[Phys Ed Wolf]

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[ice cream head]

life's too short to worry about the small things in life

Exactly.

[dmcmaho3]

I can't believe that this thread has gone on to four pages. I don't even know if Highlander is just on a wind up or really believes his petty ,bordering on the obsessive witch hunt of Sir Jack is actually justified. At the end of the day, Sir Jack's money was in fact, his money, the same as Morgan's money is his money. Neither of them are accountable to you for how they decide to spend their money. This is not a PLC but a privately owned company! Nobody is saying that Jack is whiter than white, He is a businessman at the end of the day, but when all is said and done he passed on the club for a nominal £10 with the promise of at least £30 m investment. If he is such a $$$$$$ why did he not recoup his considerable investment?

[Prodigal Wolf]

I can't believe that this thread has gone on to four pages. I don't even know if Highlander is just on a wind up or really believes his petty ,bordering on the obsessive witch hunt of Sir Jack is actually justified. At the end of the day, Sir Jack's money was in fact, his money, the same as Morgan's money is his money. Neither of them are accountable to you for how they decide to spend their money. This is not a PLC but a privately owned company! Nobody is saying that Jack is whiter than white, He is a businessman at the end of the day, but when all is said and done he passed on the club for a nominal £10 with the promise of at least £30 m investment. If he is such a $$$$$$ why did he not recoup his considerable investment?

Sorry mate, you're wasting your time trying logic with the morons who keep attacking SJH. Their relentless nonsense is painful to read and I have put the worst of them on my ignore list. Problem is that so many people use the quote facility - as I have here, that you can't help reading their dross anyway.

Heaven knows I've criticised SJH in the past, but I tried not to let it get personal. It seems that anything goes on here these days. It's a far cry from what we thought we were creating when this board first came into existence after the plug was pulled on the E&S version of MM.

[leedswolf]

Sorry mate, you're wasting your time trying logic with the morons who keep attacking SJH. Their relentless nonsense is painful to read and I have put the worst of them on my ignore list. Problem is that so many people use the quote facility - as I have here, that you can't help reading their dross anyway.

Heaven knows I've criticised SJH in the past, but I tried not to let it get personal. It seems that anything goes on here these days. It's a far cry from what we thought we were creating when this board first came into existence after the plug was pulled on the E&S version of MM.

TBF we are all entitled to our opinions. Whether you agree with those opinions or not is up to you. I don't always agree with HIGHLANDER et al who complain about the SJH stewardship of the club. I do find the use of the term 'morons' offensive.

[Prodigal Wolf]

TBF we are all entitled to our opinions. Whether you agree with those opinions or not is up to you. I don't always agree with HIGHLANDER et al who complain about the SJH stewardship of the club. I do find the use of the term 'morons' offensive.

You may not like the word moron my friend, but I think it's quite mild compared to some of the things that have been said about SJH recently.

[Mutchy]

TBF we are all entitled to our opinions. Whether you agree with those opinions or not is up to you. I don't always agree with HIGHLANDER et al who complain about the SJH stewardship of the club. I do find the use of the term 'morons' offensive.

You may not like the word moron my friend, but I think it's quite mild compared to some of the things that have been said about SJH recently.

I agree with you both to a large degree. However, perhaps the way in which opinions are put across could do with a bit more thought at times.

[ant_wolf]

Give sir Jack a break he has helped wolves out so much! He has put plenty of money in to help manager buy players they wanted most of them ended up needing surgery and being out for ages but that was not his fault! Most of u slagging him off if u had his money wouldnt even bother putting into the club sort of money in he did. Just respect his efforts dont blame him for whats happend on the field! Things are looking up now cant wait for next season!

[wolfman27]

Nice to come back from holiday to find Highlander is still attention seeking... You may aswell start a "Andy Keogh is crap!" thread. Perhaps what amazes me more is the number of people who still can be bothered to post on these. Including myself!!! (Doh!)

Can't we have less attention seeking.. "Look at me" threads... PLEASE.

[wolfie smith]

i think the problem with this board is this; somebody posts a reasonable thread with an opinion, the item is then debated for a few responses, then the original poster just comes back and blindly disregards anything anyone who disagrees with him says. thread then descends into name calling and abuse, fizzles out and then another thread is started on a very similar subject and the cycle continues. debates should be debated, obviously were not all going to agree with everything, debate should then close, be put to bed and the debaters move on to a DIFFERENT subject.

[Penfold]

I agree all this mass debating isn't good. Highlander being the biggest mass debater on here should really stop mass debating so much.

[HIGHLANDER]

Nice to come back from holiday to find Highlander is still attention seeking..Hi, how is Pontins these days ? Is it still as downmarket as ever ?

[Visage Wolf]

Hi, how is Pontins these days ? Is it still as downmarket as ever ?

Can I take it from this that you've dropped your demand for intelligent debate?