You just don't get it

[wanderer24]

When the south bank is trying to stir up molineux there is no reaction. We could do with a bit of support from the rest of the ground. If your seat was taken away, im sure you would vent your anger escpecially given the fact that were the only club in the country who would give up their loudest stand.
Stop looking down your nose at the south bank and start your own chants (whatever they may be), don't just sit back and whinge about the lack of quality and how it's not like the good old days.
STAND UP AND BE COUNTED....................

[John]

I get it.
I lost my seat.
I chanted at the Cardiff game.
One match was enough.
Get behind the team now.
Stop going on at the North Bank, they are Wolves fans aswell.

[Florida Wolfey]

It's done....get over it. Support the damn team. It took until half way through the second half for the South Bank to sing about the team...how do you explain that?

[leedswolf]

Oh goody another SB thread :mad:

[John]

It took until half way through the second half for the South Bank to sing about the team...how do you explain that?
There was some in the first half.
A "we are Wolves" not long after kick off, but it was few and far between all game.
Really bad considering we were 2 all and pushing for a winner at the end.

[Goldwolf]

It's clear someone doesn't get it.

There was noise from the North Bank too today. You may have missed it because you were looking at the directors box rather than the pitch?

[bod101]

When the south bank is trying to stir up molineux there is no reaction. We could do with a bit of support from the rest of the ground. If your seat was taken away, im sure you would vent your anger escpecially given the fact that were the only club in the country who would give up their loudest stand.
Stop looking down your nose at the south bank and start your own chants (whatever they may be), don't just sit back and whinge about the lack of quality and how it's not like the good old days.
STAND UP AND BE COUNTED....................


if the seat that my season ticket reserves for league games was unavailable for a cup game i wouldnt be making a fuss. simple as that.
have you ever considered that a lot of other people would also not make the fuss?

just because you sit in that seat for league games with a season ticket it doesnt neccessarily mean you will get it for a cup game. if it was a league game that this happened then yes i may have some sympathy but it wasnt.

[luiandlui]

I get it.
I lost my seat.
I chanted at the Cardiff game.
One match was enough.
Get behind the team now.
Stop going on at the North Bank, they are Wolves fans aswell.

John,

I don't agree with everything you say on thi site but this is probably the best, most down to earth and sensible post i've read in weeks.

Everyone in the stadium is a Wolves fan (except the away fans - duh!!), Moxey (love him or hate him) will be gone in the summer. The chants should really be directed at the team.

The fact that the other three stands don't make a huge amount of noise is no excuse. Being the noisiest fan does not make you the best fan.

[wanderer24]

It's done....get over it. Support the damn team. It took until half way through the second half for the South Bank to sing about the team...how do you explain that?

that's gibberish, there was plenty of chanting not directed at Moxey or the north bank. I would love to see the north and south bank bounce of each other in terms of chanting - but we get little response, good natured or not. I personally didn't chant for Moxey out and i wasn't the only one - im well aware once Hayward is gone, so is Moxey. Let';s hope that's sooner than later.

[wanderer24]

John,

I don't agree with everything you say on thi site but this is probably the best, most down to earth and sensible post i've read in weeks.

Everyone in the stadium is a Wolves fan (except the away fans - duh!!), Moxey (love him or hate him) will be gone in the summer. The chants should really be directed at the team.

The fact that the other three stands don't make a huge amount of noise is no excuse. Being the noisiest fan does not make you the best fan.

nobody said being noisy makes you the best fan, but getting behind the team when their slugging their guts out, is that too much to ask?

[leedswolf]

start your own chants (whatever they may be),

A lot of the SB stuff originates from the NB :cool:

[wanderer24]

It's clear someone doesn't get it.

There was noise from the North Bank too today. You may have missed it because you were looking at the directors box rather than the pitch?

Moxey doesn't interest me anymore than looking at the directors box - i couldn't even tell you where it is. Im too busy looking at the game and the effort being put in.

[Goldwolf]

nobody said being noisy makes you the best fan, but getting behind the team when their slugging their guts out, is that too much to ask?

The rest of the ground was making noise when the team we're slugging their guts out. The nature of the ground means often only the loud chants make it to the other end.

When the team we're attacking the North Bank end second half they would have been aware of the support being aimed at them from that end. They probably found it a refreshing change to hear chants aimed at them.

[leedswolf]

When the team we're attacking the North Bank end second half

the home end ........................

[Goldwolf]

the home end ........................

Hey, I don't want to inflame things further :rolleyes:

[luiandlui]

nobody said being noisy makes you the best fan, but getting behind the team when their slugging their guts out, is that too much to ask?
I don't understand your point here, the south bank, however noisy, doesn't support the teama any more than any other stand (at the moment anyway~)

[luiandlui]

The rest of the ground was making noise when the team we're slugging their guts out. The nature of the ground means often only the loud chants make it to the other end.

When the team we're attacking the North Bank end second half they would have been aware of the support being aimed at them from that end. They probably found it a refreshing change to hear chants aimed at them.

This is a good point, its very easy to say that nobody but the southbank makes any noise when you are sitting in the southbank. I doubt very much if the players hear it this way, which is what counts after all.

[leedswolf]

Hey, I don't want to inflame things further :rolleyes:

;)

[ROVERT47]

North Bank,South Bank,East Bank,West Bank,Barclays Bank,The Royal Bank of Scotland,Tales from the River Bank,Two Banks of four.

Who gives a $$$$,get over it!!!!!!!

[djackl]

When the south bank is trying to stir up molineux there is no reaction. We could do with a bit of support from the rest of the ground. If your seat was taken away, im sure you would vent your anger escpecially given the fact that were the only club in the country who would give up their loudest stand.
Stop looking down your nose at the south bank and start your own chants (whatever they may be), don't just sit back and whinge about the lack of quality and how it's not like the good old days.
STAND UP AND BE COUNTED....................

Don't you think maybe you should stop taking the $$$$ out of the other stands when they try and chant then?

[UNCLE REMUS]

Let's just ferkin' drop it and get on with the football.

WE ARE WOLVES.

Read what Ian Holloway said about us. "One of the country's great clubs"

[JJ82]

I get it.
I lost my seat.
I chanted at the Cardiff game.
One match was enough.
Get behind the team now.
Stop going on at the North Bank, they are Wolves fans aswell.

Spot on John i didnt even chant at the cardiff game TBH,
But one thing is certain more help is needed from other stands.

[Leeky]

Stop looking down your nose at the south bank and start your own chants (whatever they may be), don't just sit back and whinge about the lack of quality and how it's not like the good old days.
STAND UP AND BE COUNTED....................[/QUOTE]

Why so we can get ironic cheers from the JH rather than them joining in with the songs!

[Toon Wolf]

When the south bank is trying to stir up molineux there is no reaction. We could do with a bit of support from the rest of the ground. If your seat was taken away, im sure you would vent your anger escpecially given the fact that were the only club in the country who would give up their loudest stand.
Stop looking down your nose at the south bank and start your own chants (whatever they may be), don't just sit back and whinge about the lack of quality and how it's not like the good old days.
STAND UP AND BE COUNTED....................

That I'm afraid is a crock. Chelsea gave up the Shed End, traditionally the 'home' stand, to Nottingham Forest. Did they all cry and whine and spit their dummies out? In fact they always give the Shed to large numbers of away fans.

The fact of the matter is that if the shouting/support is not directed at getting behind the team or intimidating the opposition then that 'support' is pretty much worthless. How do shouts of 'Moxey Out' help the players?

[Staten Island Wolf]

:confused: OH dear! I'm flying over for the Southampton match and am not quite sure where to sit now after reading all this stuff about those South Bank ruffians. Maybe i'll seek advice in the New Inns at 8.30 on the morning of the game!

[Stafford Wolf]

Stop looking down your nose at the south bank and start your own chants (whatever they may be), don't just sit back and whinge about the lack of quality and how it's not like the good old days.
STAND UP AND BE COUNTED....................

Why so we can get ironic cheers from the JH rather than them joining in with the songs![/quote]

Whilst at the game yesterday me and a mate were discussing the fact that the Plymouth fans must have found it very strange that the Wolves fans were chanting against each other rather than them !

They must have wondered if they were actually there!!!

There are times we we certainly dont act like we are supporting the same team !

[Staten Island Wolf]

I want the North Bank to become terraces again or,:mad: I Ay Gooin!

[306NOTOUT]

I think there is a case to be made here that the corners should have been filled in by now. The gaps between the stands means the different stands are not signing at the same time. Perhaps it would mean the atmosphere would travel from the South Bank (and NB occasionally!!!) around the ground easier, and who knows we may even hear the Billy Quiet singing!!!!

[28th March 1965]

Oh goody another SB thread :mad:

Indeed , it's getting a little $$$$in tiresome now...

[wanderer24]

I think there is a case to be made here that the corners should have been filled in by now. The gaps between the stands means the different stands are not signing at the same time. Perhaps it would mean the atmosphere would travel from the South Bank (and NB occasionally!!!) around the ground easier, and who knows we may even hear the Billy Quiet singing!!!!

I think that would help a great deal - another broken Hayward promise. When we get promoted we will invest to secure our top flight status and the corner stands will be completed. Never happened and won't until we get new owners in, whether that happens remains to be seen.
I hope we don't end up like Villa and Ellis...................

[djackl]

I think that would help a great deal - another broken Hayward promise.

Yeah, let's start filling the corners in, despite the fact that we can't even fill the ground without the corners. Why waste the money like that?

[306NOTOUT]

I never said it wouldn't be a waste of money, my point was it would help the atmosphere within the stadium.

[Essex Wolf]

Whilst this issue of the SB being given to opposition fans was annoying and poorly handled it is now history and no matter what amount of bleating goes on things won't change.

The club needs support not barracking.

[djackl]

Whilst this issue of the SB being given to opposition fans was annoying and poorly handled it is now history and no matter what amount of bleating goes on things won't change.

The club needs support not barracking.

Was it poorly handled? Or was it just a case of us being humiliated because most of the South Bank threw a tantrum because it didn't get what it wanted? I can guarrentee that if the south bank had just accepted the move (as a third of them do anyway when they lose the flank), West Brom wouldn't have humiliated us half as much with the chants.

I agree that the club needs support, but I don't see any reason why we should have any pity for the south bank in this, it's not up to the club to pander to the most negative stand in the ground.

[wanderer24]

Yeah, let's start filling the corners in, despite the fact that we can't even fill the ground without the corners. Why waste the money like that?

We need to make investment in the future of this club based on trying to achieve the goal of promotion, maintaining premiership status, and pushing on towards mid-table and higher( in the past ten years, the likes of Portsmouth, Middlesbrough, Charlton, Bolton etc).
If we have the vision (as Souness does) to try and realise our dreams we will not only fill the stadium and corners but have a long waiting list of part-time supporters......

[Uncle Festa]

Correct djackl, but I would add that the rebuilding of the stadium, in my eyes, was the biggest $$$$ up that Hayward made, both in terms of its timing and its layout. Whilst every other club who got promoted over the years spent their money on the team first and then re-building the ground, we did the opposite. We were the front runners in stadium rebuilding and it shows in the form of an outdated Molineux. In fact Pride Park was built by the same set of ar$$$$ects with the lessons learnt from Molineux implemented. Corners filled in, stands running in line with each other, and close to the pitch. Molineux was built on the cheap with the over-riding aim to generate income during none match days with areas of the ground set aside for conferencing etc. We have so much site space at Molineux that its embarrasing for an inner city development. Yet Wolves manage to build four independent stands and cram a flower bed, two tv sets, and a water tank into the corners. And when we did get promoted our idea of expansion is a bit of scaffolding over the flower bed and some temporary plastic seats more akin to Bilston Town.

[Essex Wolf]

Was it poorly handled? Or was it just a case of us being humiliated because most of the South Bank threw a tantrum because it didn't get what it wanted? I can guarrentee that if the south bank had just accepted the move (as a third of them do anyway when they lose the flank), West Brom wouldn't have humiliated us half as much with the chants.

I agree that the club needs support, but I don't see any reason why we should have any pity for the south bank in this, it's not up to the club to pander to the most negative stand in the ground.

The pie and pint offer answers your opening question IMV.

The club had other options if they had wanted them irrespective of what yarn is spun.

Some good points Uncle Festa and highlights, for me at least, that contray to what some will have you believe, that SJH hasn't always been all things good for Wolves.

[Lupo Italiano]

Investment in the team is more conducive to the future of the club rather than investment on seating that we can't fill (at the moment).

We made that mistake in the early 80s, spending money on the stadium rather than the team.

The consequences were that we spent half of the 80s tumbling down the leagues with some of the worst journeymen to ever wear the gold shirt, a tumbledown Molineux with 2 stands closed and the white elephant John Ireland stand so far from the pitch that you needed a telescope to see the action - not that anyone wanted to watch what was happening before their eyes!

[WOLF]

Correct djackl, but I would add that the rebuilding of the stadium, in my eyes, was the biggest $$$$ up that Hayward made, both in terms of its timing and its layout. Whilst every other club who got promoted over the years spent their money on the team first and then re-building the ground, we did the opposite. We were the front runners in stadium rebuilding and it shows in the form of an outdated Molineux. In fact Pride Park was built by the same set of ar$$$$ects with the lessons learnt from Molineux implemented. Corners filled in, stands running in line with each other, and close to the pitch. Molineux was built on the cheap with the over-riding aim to generate income during none match days with areas of the ground set aside for conferencing etc. We have so much site space at Molineux that its embarrasing for an inner city development. Yet Wolves manage to build four independent stands and cram a flower bed, two tv sets, and a water tank into the corners. And when we did get promoted our idea of expansion is a bit of scaffolding over the flower bed and some temporary plastic seats more akin to Bilston Town.

brilliant bang on festa

[Florida Wolfey]

brilliant bang on festa

Personally I think it's a load of nonsense and yet another effort to pour scorn on SJH. It seems some folks choose to forget the state of the place when SJH came in and he gave us some pride back when he built the stadium.

The stadium came about after months of studying the likes of Rangers ground and at the time it was leading edge in terms of stadium development. Sure, Man City and Arsenal now have great looking stadiums but Mol. is still widely acknowledged as being one of the better stadiums around.

As for the claim we spent the money on the stadium first, that's actually quite laughable. At a stroke Uncle Festa wipes out 10 years of SJH funded spending on many players costing 1-3 million.

Then Uncle Festa goes onto complain about how much site space we have....the words grasping and straws comes to mind. Seems to me that no matter what the club and SJH do there will always be people who will knock. These people are usually the same ones who believe the world owes them a living and enjoy knocking others because of their own inadequacies. Personally I'm absolutely sick and tired of some of our fans....their behaviour over the last month has matched anything the club has got wrong and that post says it all. $$$$ing ridiculous.

[SaleWolf]

The Northbank did deserve a bit of stick yesterday. After all they were non-existent against Sandwell, lets be fair.

However, its now time to forget about the Albion game and the Southbank malarcy and get on with getting behind the team.

No point in calling for Moxey's head, no point in berating the Northbank.

Lets show a united front for the rest of the season and start winning some home games. Molineux has not been the same this year. Very quiet, very sombre and certainly not an intimidating place for the away team to play.

[Uncle Festa]

Florida. Im quite sick of the attitude that we owe Hayward for building the ground. Every half decent team in the country have rebuilt, expanded, knocked down, and invested in their stadium without a 'Sugar Daddy'. And the Billy Wright stand was built on football grants not any personal investment,

[Mutchy]

Correct djackl, but I would add that the rebuilding of the stadium, in my eyes, was the biggest $$$$ up that Hayward made, both in terms of its timing and its layout. Whilst every other club who got promoted over the years spent their money on the team first and then re-building the ground, we did the opposite.

Were we honestly in any position to leave the ground as it was?

[Florida Wolfey]

Florida. Im quite sick of the attitude that we owe Hayward for building the ground. Every half decent team in the country have rebuilt, expanded, knocked down, and invested in their stadium without a 'Sugar Daddy'. And the Billy Wright stand was built on football grants not any personal investment,

And exactly who has that attitude? SJH certainly doesn't.

Frankly, I'm utterly sick of some of our pathetic fans who have to knock everything instead of getting behind the team at games. Over the last month we have seen some nonsense but now it seems we're starting on the stadium!

[reanswolf]

But we do have one of the least atmospheric grounds in the country. Its bloody awful with space for 3 rows of advertisement hoardings between the pitch and side stands. Infact it looks more like a speedway or athletics stadium. If I recall, at one stage the stadium was indeed going to be used for both footy and athletics at one stage.

Biggest mistake ever. Compared to Albion who ensured thier redevelopment was close to the pitch. Since then their fans can build a superb atmosphere with relative ease and be that twelth man. At Molineux even when we make a racket one end cant hear the other and we can never really be a great football arena in comparison to other similar sized grounds.

But I agree it's time to move on from the Moxey/police debacle, Albion fans were not mocking Moxey with thier singing for nothing and I can tell you they would be equally annoyed.

What saddens me is the obvious devision in Wolves fans....South Bank constantly accused of being simpletons, chavs, arrogant, other areas of being aloof, arrogant and unsupportive. Where do we ....as WOLVES FANS....want to progress from here. Especially as MM and the young lads deserve better. We ALL need to think about this next time however valid we think our personal feelings are.

[Florida Wolfey]

Can't agree with that reanswolf. Who can forget the atmosphere created at the play off games? Nothing wrong with the stadium. Everything wrong with the mentality of certain sections of our support.

[The Weasel]

But we do have one of the least atmospheric grounds in the country. Its bloody awful with space for 3 rows of advertisement hoardings between the pitch and side stands. Infact it looks more like a speedway or athletics stadium. If I recall, at one stage the stadium was indeed going to be used for both footy and athletics at one stage.

Biggest mistake ever. Compared to Albion who ensured thier redevelopment was close to the pitch. Since then their fans can build a superb atmosphere with relative ease and be that twelth man. At Molineux even when we make a racket one end cant hear the other and we can never really be a great football arena in comparison to other similar sized grounds.

But I agree it's time to move on from the Moxey/police debacle, Albion fans were not mocking Moxey with thier singing for nothing and I can tell you they would be equally annoyed.

What saddens me is the obvious devision in Wolves fans....South Bank constantly accused of being simpletons, chavs, arrogant, other areas of being aloof, arrogant and unsupportive. Where do we ....as WOLVES FANS....want to progress from here. Especially as MM and the young lads deserve better. We ALL need to think about this next time however valid we think our personal feelings are.

good post Reans, agree entirely

[Lupo Italiano]

I think we all have our part to play.

The negativity of the South Bank has annoyed me just lately but I don't deny that generally, they are the most vocal section of our support and most things start there.

I sit in the Steve Bull stand and admit it could do with making more noise though it is quite vocal, and there is a fair bit of shouting of encouragement/criticism, singing and chanting is minimal.

When a few start it, others of us join in but I think the people to start it are what is missing. We are talkers/shouters more than singers.

[reanswolf]

There is nothing wrong with talkers/shouters, but any ground without a singing area within it is surely a sad sight.
I would say there are several hundred in the Steve Bull who want to sing, the same in the NB, and probably 2000 in the South bank. What a shame we cannot get together tho.
And singers are not better supporters by definition - it is important other fans do not misinterpret that, but Pompey fans for example are thought very highly throughout the country, and by their players, because of their superb singing supporters.

I honestly think, that whilst the flip side of that is youthful exuberance and flippant interpretation at times, we need that type of support too. The players all commented how good the Sunderland home game was with a full Wolves South bank.

[Lupo Italiano]

but Pompey fans for example are thought very highly throughout the country, and by their players, because of their superb singing supporters.

I couldn't stand having that bloody bell ringer or trumpet player sat anywhere near me though!

[reanswolf]

Too true - in fact i believe some chap nicked his bell at Wolves.

Florida, I accept that the playoffs were good, but if you attend every home game year in year out you would see what i mean. There is total silence at times - total. At tight knit grounds there is a general hum at all times where the talking and chatting echoes around the ground. Imagine the playoff final v palace if the 4 stands were moved within a few feet of the pitch.

[Papper]

When the south bank is trying to stir up molineux there is no reaction. We could do with a bit of support from the rest of the ground. If your seat was taken away, im sure you would vent your anger escpecially given the fact that were the only club in the country who would give up their loudest stand.
Stop looking down your nose at the south bank and start your own chants (whatever they may be), don't just sit back and whinge about the lack of quality and how it's not like the good old days.
STAND UP AND BE COUNTED....................

I dont want to sing stupid songs i clap and shout encouragement so i create atmosphere. There is absolutely no humour from the South Bank unlike the Kop or what was the Stetford End. The South Bank are a corrosive irritant (never used to be) and a pig pen enclosure that enables others to enjoy their football without being breathed on by foul mouthed animals whose balls hang at different angles to the rest of us (Even the women)

[Florida Wolfey]

Too true - in fact i believe some chap nicked his bell at Wolves.

Florida, I accept that the playoffs were good, but if you attend every home game year in year out you would see what i mean. There is total silence at times - total. At tight knit grounds there is a general hum at all times where the talking and chatting echoes around the ground. Imagine the playoff final v palace if the 4 stands were moved within a few feet of the pitch.

So you believe that knocking down the stands and moving them closer to the pitch will create a better atmosphere? :rolleyes:

The problem we are seeing at the club at present is a lack of atmosphere caused by a general disillusionment with the state of the club. Ironical given that this set of players is doing better than we thought.

The club obviously has problems convincing its supporters it knows what it is doing and this comes back to a lack of planning in the Boardroom and a failure to communicate with the fans. The fans feel at odds with the club....thus we see a lack of atmosphere on matchday. I don't blame the fans but knocking the ground down isn't going to solve anything. It comes back to the feel good factor and unfortunately we don't have people who know how to generate it.

[Lupo Italiano]

Most Italian grounds have athletics tracks and fans who are a long way from the pitch but the level of vocal support and noise is way above anything heard in UK stadiums.

[I.D.]

....given the fact that were the only club in the country who would give up their loudest stand....

Not true. At Derby the home fans who make the noise sit next to the away fans, the more away fans there are the further they have to sit from their normal seats. Against Wolves they got shoved almost into the corner and against Sheff Weds they got pushed into the side stand. This happens to them every time they play a team that brings a few fans, not just once in the entire history of the stand.

The only teams this doesn't happen to at some point are ones that give the away fans the entire end every game.

[Bradders]

What saddens me is the obvious devision in Wolves fans....South Bank constantly accused of being simpletons, chavs, arrogant, other areas of being aloof, arrogant and unsupportive. Where do we ....as WOLVES FANS....want to progress from here. Especially as MM and the young lads deserve better. We ALL need to think about this next time however valid we think our personal feelings are.

Fantastic comment Reans. It's a sad state of affairs when fans are turning on each other when the team is performing better than the majority of us expected. What's gone is gone, lets just unite and get behind the team for the remainder of the season. Our young players need support.

But I pity any fan who can be sat in the ground who is singing songs and slagging off fellow fans just over the seat they sit in.

[Papper]

The club obviously has problems convincing its supporters it knows what it is doing and this comes back to a lack of planning in the Boardroom and a failure to communicate with the fans. The fans feel at odds with the club....thus we see a lack of atmosphere on matchday. I don't blame the fans but knocking the ground down isn't going to solve anything. It comes back to the feel good factor and unfortunately we don't have people who know how to generate it.

I think its a general theme with football and i think Wolves Supporters have just about had enough culminating with the last season of Hoddle and the dreams and expectations turning to dust. Wolves Supporters are tired of the bull$$$$ and a constant stream of players who dont care but for their wallet. This season is different.

Its a transitional time and the underlying trend is one of sitting back and saying 'come on show us what you can do' but appreciating anything that excites. There is a stand off between the cluba nd the supporters at present but i think thats healthy. The atmosphere wont hum until the ground is full and that will only happen when these green shoots have held ground. Patience.

[I.D.]

....Wolves Supporters are tired of the bull$$$$ and a constant stream of players who dont care but for their wallet. This season is different....

Wolves are still in the top six wage payers in the Championship and have players who drive around in Bentleys and care more about the latest record by Chingy than they do about winning a match.

[BlahBlah]

I hope we don't end up like Villa and Ellis...................

What..permanently in the Premier league, playing against the best teams every week but earning about £40million for the owner when he eventually sells the club, though the club hasn't come close to winning friggin anything? Comfortably remaining by FAR the biggest club in the region although they've been running on fumes for 25 years?

The sad thing is, that's a bloody big step up from our situation.

Hayward's promises are well documented but now have to be seen as irresponsible ramblings, as was "I'll match the Sky money in the Premier League". It's all about context. He probably HAS matched the Sky money for one season...but against 15 of his own.
Supporter's matched as best they could by giving 20,000+ attendances for 10 years+?

When we were supposedly "big spending" on the likes of Geoff Thomas, Middlesboro were paying £4.5 million for Paul Gasgoigne and how much was Paul Merson?
We've never been anywhere near that level of single-minded brute ambition.

How the heck were the club hoping to raise millions though supporter's buying shares, when the self-proposed "main" fans whinge about everything right down to the infamous £4 to change seats for one match?? No wonder it was dropped without the embarrassing explanation....Nobody wants to pay the money...

[reanswolf]

Floida, i would love to bring the stands closer, i know its not going to happen and i know its not the whole answer. It takes good exciting football.

Lupo - cant compare it to Italian footy where they can stand. Huge difference.

[Lupo Italiano]

Standing does make a huge difference you're right. Last week before the Albion game, we all stood as the teams came out and we were all enjoying a sing-along! When we sat down, it died right off.

They always stand in church when its time to sing the hymns - same thing!

[reanswolf]

ID how can you compare the Derby scenario...you even say yourself they are used to it. I have been to Derby numerous occasions and that has never been their main terrace. They always congregate as near to the away fans, but unlike the south Bank, that end has never in my knowledge been a 'two-thirds minimum' home terrace.

[BlahBlah]

ID how can you compare the Derby scenario...you even say yourself they are used to it. I have been to Derby numerous occasions and that has never been their main terrace. They always congregate as near to the away fans, but unlike the south Bank, that end has never in my knowledge been a 'two-thirds minimum' home terrace.

This is like comparing bus stations in town centres. It's just not important.
It means absolutely $$$$ all.
It's got nothing to do with attitude, spirit and desire.

[reanswolf]

Well it obviously does mean something to a lot of people. It embraces what football, territory etc is all about. For many football is tribal almost.

I agree it wouldnt mean much to the modern middle class type of prevalent football fan.

And Wolverhampton has a far better bus station than West Brumwich!

[Lupo Italiano]

And Wolverhampton has a far better bus station than West Brumwich!

The West Bromwich one is more useful though - it gets you out of West Bromwich!

[I.D.]

ID how can you compare the Derby scenario.

I just corrected the thread starter's assertion that Wolves are the only team in the country that moves home fans to accomodate away fans, even at Old Trafford some fans cannot sit in their regular seats for F.A. Cup games. The South Bank at Highbury was one of the few parts of the ground where home fans used to sing and chant, they had to move for cup games.

The problem stems back to when the new South Bank was built, it could easily have been built to accomodate up to 15% of the total crowd in an away section. That doesn't mean that the away section would need to be that big every week.

[gaz kford]

The West Bromwich one is more useful though - it gets you out of West Bromwich!But why would you want be in West Brom in the first place. :confused:

[Lupo Italiano]

But why would you want be in West Brom in the first place. :confused:



If you had made a mistake!

[reanswolf]

Maybe it just all seems so painful because of who it is ID. WBA.

Can you imagine if the first time the time Arsenal fans were entirely removed from the Clock End, if that had been v Spurs. And especially if at the time no explanation from the club had been given, and it seemed logical to fit the 15% in the normal away seating areas. The way it happened at Wolves wouldnt have have happened at Arsenal, or anywhere else IMO
Anyway, old ground - lets beg to differ and get some positive vibes going about the next home game..

[Jack]

I dont want to sing stupid songs i clap and shout encouragement so i create atmosphere. There is absolutely no humour from the South Bank unlike the Kop or what was the Stetford End. The South Bank are a corrosive irritant (never used to be) and a pig pen enclosure that enables others to enjoy their football without being breathed on by foul mouthed animals whose balls hang at different angles to the rest of us (Even the women)

You've just named two ends that are the most over-rated in football since the advent of seated stadia. Yet another example of a Numpty who has no grasp on reality, let alone how what football is all about!

[Lupo Italiano]

Next home game - looking forward to it!C an't wait to get another look at the Keogh-Ward partnership!

[Jack]

Most Italian grounds have athletics tracks and fans who are a long way from the pitch but the level of vocal support and noise is way above anything heard in UK stadiums.

Absolute nonsense Lupo, the Italians are the most fickle fans going as proved by the shocking support Juve/Palermo and co regularly recieve when things are not going well.

Don't remember much noise coming from them when Ince and Co took the $$$$ for England either

[I.D.]

Anyway, old ground - lets beg to differ and get some positive vibes going about the next home game..

We don't differ. The Police request to house the WBA fans in the South Bank was very convenient for financial reasons, there was no need for hundreds of empty seats.

This highlights the need for redevelopment of the South Bank end of the ground if we should ever get back to the top flight. Lowly Barnsley have a stand that will accomodate as few as 1,000 away fans and up to over 6,000 away fans.

[Jack]

Sometimes it feels like the biggest critics of Wolves fan are our own supporters.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the atmosphere at Molineux is as good as anything in this league and I base that on all of the away games this and last season.

Just take some of the supposed passionate clubs for example:

Blues - Sung about four or five teams despite dominating and having the lead for most of the game

Stoke - Do they genuinely have more than one song?

Cardiff - Initimdating? Compared to what, a church?

West Brom - 3-0 up and still outsung by 2000 Wolves fans (I'm estiamting 800 had already left by that stage)

Leeds - Bad in numbers, even worse in support.

Yesterday was a glamour game for Plymouth and yet they only mustered the occasional chant, not exactly great support was it?

Most teams normally have one end that is more vocal than others and until recently Wolves were in a fortunate position that, when needed, both the North and South could be that hub. Just ask Steve Coppell who said it was more intimidating than playing at the Nou Camp!

Molineux is a great stadium and we've got a decent team to support so let's get behind the lads starting with Burnley on 17th!

[The Vicar]

Can't agree with that reanswolf. Who can forget the atmosphere created at the play off games? Nothing wrong with the stadium. Everything wrong with the mentality of certain sections of our support.

Spot on FW. Steve Coppell said that the second play off leg agsianst palace at Molineux was the most intimidating atmosphere he had ever experienced. It has little if nothing to do with the ground but lots to do with the personnel inside.

Other teams did build the team and then the ground (well Blackburn and derby actually) but they did not inherit a ground with two sides closed and the main stand a short taxi ride from the near touchline.

I sit in the southbank and have done since it re-opened (my knuckles are covered in hard skin) and whilst it did annoy me when I walked into the BQ and saw a bennie in my seat last sunday, the teams came out and I moved on. I just wish everyone else would also, as this nonesense is detrimental to the performance of the players on the pitch and to what we all want - a place in the super greed league next season.

Also Moxey, hate him or hate him lots, is here until the Haywards sell up, and he is merely his masters mouthpiece. Chanting against him is going to make no difference, so live with it.

[reanswolf]

That Palace game was immense, but I genuinely believe that for our bread and butter league games the atmosphere would come across a lot better if the ground was hemmed in. Infact it's not the chanting that suffers most of all, as I said earlier Molineux seems dead during the less exciting moments of a agme becos of the wide open spaces.

[wanderer24]

Spot on FW. Steve Coppell said that the second play off leg agsianst palace at Molineux was the most intimidating atmosphere he had ever experienced. It has little if nothing to do with the ground but lots to do with the personnel inside.

Other teams did build the team and then the ground (well Blackburn and derby actually) but they did not inherit a ground with two sides closed and the main stand a short taxi ride from the near touchline.

I sit in the southbank and have done since it re-opened (my knuckles are covered in hard skin) and whilst it did annoy me when I walked into the BQ and saw a bennie in my seat last sunday, the teams came out and I moved on. I just wish everyone else would also, as this nonesense is detrimental to the performance of the players on the pitch and to what we all want - a place in the super greed league next season.

Also Moxey, hate him or hate him lots, is here until the Haywards sell up, and he is merely his masters mouthpiece. Chanting against him is going to make no difference, so live with it.

Exactly right, when Hayward goes, Moxey will go as he is just the whipping boy who takes all the flak.
Hayward, thankyou and goodbye..............

[gaz kford]

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West Brom - 3-0 up and still outsung by 2000 Wolves fans (I'm estiamting 800 had already left by that stage)


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I take it you were not at the game last Sunday.

[Jack]

I take it you were not at the game last Sunday.


Yep and at the LEAGUE game as well Gaz

[gaz kford]

So you were at the game last Sunday. But the pikeys still out song us.

[Professional]

What do you know 5,000 miles away? It's all very well coming out with your usual crap,you dont have to put up and be inconvenienced with decisions made by the club and others.Until you have been moved out of your usual seat that you have sat in for the past year,or queued for tickets for an hour and a half and missed the kick off,please dont go on about nothing you know anything about.Tell you what, do us all a favour and go out and sit by your swimming pool and shut up.
Well said.

[Goldwolf]

Biggest mistake ever. Compared to Albion who ensured thier redevelopment was close to the pitch. Since then their fans can build a superb atmosphere with relative ease and be that twelth man. At Molineux even when we make a racket one end cant hear the other and we can never really be a great football arena in comparison to other similar sized grounds.

Not what the Plymouth fans are saying:

I thought the Wolves' fans were the noisiest and most supportive of any of the six grounds I've been to this season.....

I also agree they made plenty of noise, certainly a lot more than West Brom.

http://www.pasoti.co.uk/talk/viewtopic.php?t=10938

Of course they wouldn't all have been aware of the content of the songs. ;)

[Florida Wolfey]

What do you know 5,000 miles away? It's all very well coming out with your usual tripe,you dont have to put up and be inconvenienced with decisions made by the club and others.Until you have been moved out of your usual seat that you have sat in for the past ten years,or queued for tickets for an hour and a half and missed the kick off,please dont go on about nothing you know anything about.Tell you what, do us all a favour and go out and sit by your swimming pool and shut up.

Ah bless....but if it helps you get over your inadequacies, I'm prepared to take the heat.

FYI, I and my family have had season tickets for well over 60 years at Wolves until I, the last remaining ST holder in the family, moved to Florida....mainly to get away from plonkers like you.

[London Wolves]

What saddens me is the obvious division in Wolves fans....South Bank constantly accused of being simpletons, chavs, arrogant, other areas of being aloof, arrogant and unsupportive. Where do we ....as WOLVES FANS....want to progress from here. Especially as MM and the young lads deserve better. We ALL need to think about this next time however valid we think our personal feelings are.

This season I changed my season ticket from the south bank to the north bank. I have been a south banker previously for 40 years. The Hoddle season had been so poor I just wanted a change, the only thing I could change was my seat.

For me the WBA game was lowest I have felt probably since the Bhatti days. And now we have the wolves fans divided. On Saturday sitting in the North Bank with fans singing anti south bank songs (You sold Your Seat For a Pie and Pint etc) I felt like I was sitting in the away end. If this happens at an away game I can see fighting breaking out.

I am going to ask the ticket office if I can exchange my North Bank season ticket for South Bank tickets for the rest of the season. I’m educated to degree level and work for central government but hey I’m a scummy chav

“I can’t read and I can’t write,
But I can sing & I can fight,
Because I’m a South Banker.”

[djackl]

Until you have been moved out of your usual seat that you have sat in for the past ten years,or queued for tickets for an hour and a half and missed the kick off

Ah, bless. Worse things have happened than you losing 'your' precious piece of plastic. You really need to get over it.

[wanderer24]

This season I changed my season ticket from the south bank to the north bank. I have been a south banker previously for 40 years. The Hoddle season had been so poor I just wanted a change, the only thing I could change was my seat.

For me the WBA game was lowest I have felt probably since the Bhatti days. And now we have the wolves fans divided. On Saturday sitting in the North Bank with fans singing anti south bank songs (You sold Your Seat For a Pie and Pint etc) I felt like I was sitting in the away end. If this happens at an away game I can see fighting breaking out.

I am going to ask the ticket office if I can exchange my North Bank season ticket for South Bank tickets for the rest of the season. I’m educated to degree level and work for central government but hey I’m a scummy chav

“I can’t read and I can’t write,
But I can sing & I can fight,
Because I’m a South Banker.”

Well said, how can all these people make judgements and generalise about the south bank faithful. Apparently were all thick, brainless, negative, and aggressive chavs. Well you or anybody else should not have to justify their intelligence or dress sense, if we are to be judged it should be on TURNING UP and GETTING BEHIND THE TEAM.
Yes, we should move on but north bankers should have known how much it hurt to lose our stand (especially to the scum), yet they taunted us about it as much as the Albion - and were expected to take that in good humour.
We get behind the team every week, please join us..............

[BlahBlah]

Yes, we should move on but north bankers should have known how much it hurt to lose our stand (especially to the scum), yet they taunted us about it as much as the Albion - and were expected to take that in good humour.


Were you sucking your thumb when you typed that ?

[Jack]

So you were at the game last Sunday. But the pikeys still out song us.



And the reasons behind that have been done to death on here. The point I was making is that at the away game the pikeys were relatively quiet seeing they were winning 3-0 when everyone says how good they are at supporting their team.

[Axle]

I have to say that the Wolves atmosphere this season is a 100% improvemnt on last season. At least we're still singing after all!

I started off watching Wolves in the South bank and whenever I go to Wolves I always sit there. On Saturday it started out with 'The South Bank!' and after been on here and listening to all the negativity I didn't join in (I won't join in the Anti-Moxey chants on principle). But, as I got into the game, I thought any noise is better than no noise and I willingly joined in all of the songs (bar the Moxex ones).

Any kind of atmosphere is better than the silence you (don't) hear at the morgues of OT and Pride Park etc. We're fortunate that we have so many chavs/scallies etc who are willing to let their voices (and opinions) be heard. The noisest fans aren't the best fans, but I certainly feel like I'm contributing more when I'm standing up and singing.

The Palace game was great, but the best ever was v West Ham in January 91, we used to have noise at EVERY home game and these fans are just maintaining that tradition.

I love to go to football and swear and shout abuse. Too much gentrification is ruining our game. if you don't like it. DON'T GO.

[Florida Wolfey]

Knowing America as I do,I expect that you fit in well out there.
Now it claims to know America........no end to your talents is there? :rolleyes:

[John]

Was it poorly handled? Or was it just a case of us being humiliated because most of the South Bank threw a tantrum because it didn't get what it wanted? I can guarrentee that if the south bank had just accepted the move (as a third of them do anyway when they lose the flank), West Brom wouldn't have humiliated us half as much with the chants.

I agree that the club needs support, but I don't see any reason why we should have any pity for the south bank in this, it's not up to the club to pander to the most negative stand in the ground.
With an attitude like this you accuse others of being negative?

[BlahBlah]

Not what the Plymouth fans are saying:





http://www.pasoti.co.uk/talk/viewtopic.php?t=10938

Of course they wouldn't all have been aware of the content of the songs. ;)

One Wolf I was talking to, I asked "do you think seating has had an affect on the atmosphere?" He replied, "It doesn't matter unless we can get the big countries like China and the USA to change" I was too polite to correct him so had a half hour conversation about global warming!

Own up then, who was it ?

[wanderer24]

Were you sucking your thumb when you typed that ?
Making an immature comment to suggest my lack of maturity? nice.....

[reanswolf]

There does sadly seem to be several people intent on continued division.
What amazes me is that certain people have labelled everyone in the south bank as chavs etc, when the main complaint at molineux is things being thrown down on them by Wolves fans in the Steve Bull stand !!

On another point, I genuinely think Florida is a bit detached inevitably so at distance, obviously cares passionately about The Wolves tho. But you need to live, smell, breathe Wolves (or any club for that matter) and most importantly be there to really understand how people feel.

Pleased some Plymouth thought wolves fans were good on saturday Goldwolf, although I noted one said their support was poor "but that might have be becos the green army chanting drifted away into the air".

I presume he was relating to the wide open spaces of Molineux.

The Bennies were fairly quiet at home when they beat us 3-0, there was a spell when we sang to them "2-0 and you still dont sing".