FAO Messrs Essex and Peckham

[sy king]

you have both posted stating GH only has a 12 month contract, set in various context..


however...


GH has a 12 month Rolling contract... which means at any point of his contract he still has 12 months remaining.. and will not be a free agent in the summer and 'turn his back on the club'..


also if he were to be sacked.. (pray he isnt) we would only have to pay 12 months as severance rather than is we had given him a sam allardyce 10 year contract we would have to pay the remaing 6 years if he were sacked 4 years into it


my apologies if yo did already know this but im under the impression from your posts that you werent aware of thisEdited by: sy king

[peckhamwolf]

I actually praised the club at the start of Hoddles reign because I felt that they made the correct decision and that the contract was best for both parties. I'm just concerned we are not doing what Hoddle asked of us- not because I'm looking for him to hold us to ransom but because I felt his concerns were genuine and for the long term development of the club. I hope that Moxey is doing everything he can to turn this around because Hoddle is no fool and will not be manipulated.

[Stan Cutlass]

Messrs Sy, come on lad.


Messers could be taken the wrong way, especially if one of the guys is incontinentEdited by: Stan Cutlass

[sy king]

I actually praised the club at the start of Hoddles reign because I felt that they made the correct decision and that the contract was best for both parties. I'm just concerned we are not doing what Hoddle asked of us- not because I'm looking for him to hold us to ransom but because I felt his concerns were genuine and for the long term development of the club. I hope that Moxey is doing everything he can to turn this around because Hoddle is no fool and will not be manipulated.


i agree with that because glenn asked for a change of mentality.. throughout the club.. which on the face of it.. appears is the same..


or maybe not. i think the confidence that is in this squad now is invaluable the players walk on that pitch full of confidence and its obvious the mentality have been changed there. but glen is obviously not happy with the way the transfer market has gone.. or hasnt but those were his targets that turned us down for whatever reason. at least he isnt doing a DJ and getting bjorklund and other passengers on board.


we are doing well and i hope it continues.. if we dont spend it now.. and we are there or there abouts in january. the money will still be there to spend!smileys/smiley1.gif

[sy king]

Messrs Sy, come on lad.


Messers could be taken the wrong way, especially if one of the guys is incontinent





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[Essex Wolf]

Sy, my point, can't speak for PW, is that GH is not held to any great length of contract and should he get fed up/disillusioned in the not too distant future then he could be gone sooner than later. I accept this could be the case these days even if he were on a long term deal but for me GH has made improvements at Molineux that are far and away beyond anything I feel previous managers have acheived.


As such I want GH to stay as long as possible but should Wolves fail with promotion and/or the club fails to bring in the new signings GH clearly wants then he will, IMHO and belief, become disheartened and think of leaving.


The club have again been far too slow to act in bringing in new signings and it just seems to me that pre season squad preperation is still an area at the club that lacks the right approach.I am sure GH also sees this but he only has so much power and it is not, again IMHO, through any fault of his that the squad is not complete.

[Visage Wolf]

But what about when GH loses a game and you start starting threads like
'Is Glen Hoddle a good manager or should he go?' Surely at that point
(I'm certain it WILL happen...) a 12 month rolling contract will be a
good thing?

[sy king]

But what about when GH loses a game and you start starting threads like 'Is Glen Hoddle a good manager or should he go?' Surely at that point (I'm certain it WILL happen...) a 12 month rolling contract will be a good thing?


i certainly wont start one of them..


but yes i agree, essex and peckham will do

[Visage Wolf]

Yeah, i was referrring to the moaner-in-chief, rather than you, Sy.

[sy king]

Yeah, i was referrring to the moaner-in-chief, rather than you, Sy.


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[Goldwolf]

The club have again been far too slow to act in bringing in new signings and it just seems to me that pre season squad preperation is still an area at the club that lacks the right approach.I am sure GH also sees this but he only has so much power and it is not, again IMHO, through any fault of his that the squad is not complete.





Don't get this at all. Glenn has identified his targets, bids have been made but for whatever reason nothing has happened yet. Why is this the club's fault? It's up to Glenn at what point he moves on to new targets surely. This entire area is up toGlenn's judgement. Fault is the wrong word to use anyway, but this is an area that Glenn is controlling no-one else.

[Deutsch Wolf]

IF the board have put the shackles on any higher bid for Idiakez, good on them. There's no need to bid more than £1m for a 32 year old at a debt-ridden club, when there's better, cheaper and younger talent available. I don't think they have gone against Glenn's wishes anyway, he knows he's got a budget, and doesn't want to blow it all on one player.

[paddingtonwolf]

glenn refuses to waste club money on dross


his targets consider themselves too good for the division and won't move


come Christmas if we are going great guns they may reconsider


this wouldn't be an option if GH pizzed the transfer budget on turds to appease the Huggie needers

[yammer]

Essex, you've more or less said it yourself, a long term contract isn't
worth the paper its written on. Hoddle could be contracted for 10 years
but if he wanted to leave he'd go. Simple as that.

[hampshire wolf]

The club have again been far too slow to act in bringing in new signings and it just seems to me that pre season squad preperation is still an area at the club that lacks the right approach.I am sure GH also sees this but he only has so much power and it is not, again IMHO, through any fault of his that the squad is not complete.





How do you know that its not HODDLE who is holding things up though. We already know for certain that the two 7 figure bids were on the table for a very long time and arestill for all we know, the bids we know were not rejected and we were told that the selling club had to buy before they would sell, something that Hoddle was prepared to wait for.... Its also quite clear that he wants Idiakez but Derby won't let him go, this you might say is Moxeys fault for not getting him at any cost but Hoddle has to work to a budget and if Moxey says ok lets pay 1.5m then the extra money paid is lost elsewhere.....


I agree that Hoddle is doing good things with what he has got but the impression i have got so far under Hoddle is that he has targets that are possibly to ambitious for us at this stage. Of course it is refreshing that Hoddle won't waste money heis given but as yet he hasn't spent a penny in transfer fees...


In summary i don't think you should automatically blame the board for lack of signings when we know for fact that Hoddle himself has been waiting on these three players.

[Essex Wolf]

I'm not accusing GH or the board of anything at this time but poor pre season preparation and Wolves seem to go hand in hand and I feel any problems are not the doing of GH.


These issues have been the cause, IMO, of problems in the past whereby the club have dipped out and now we have a quality manager I see no reason for this to carry on being the case.


If the club are having problems signing certain targets move on because waiting too long is only a waste of time after a certain amount has passed by withno movement.


As usual VW, thanks, not, for you totally pointless comment. I do believe DJ was found out VW so your point is, is waht exactly????smileys/smiley11.gif

[hampshire wolf]

If the club are having problems signing certain targets move on because waiting too long is only a waste of time after a certain amount has passed by withno movement.














ThisIS andSHOULD be Hoddles decision........

[Goldwolf]

I'm not accusing GH or the board of anything at this time but poor pre season preparation and Wolves seem to go hand in hand and I feel any problems are not the doing of GH.


Based on what evidence????

[basher]

So would the pant wetters be happy if the club had just signed anybody just so that you could see a signing coming into the club!!!???


Get real!!!


If we can't get the players that we want to improve the squad and the team I'd rather that the money was left unspent.We need quality not just anybody to placate the malcontents!!

[Essex Wolf]

I'm not accusing GH or the board of anything at this time but poor pre season preparation and Wolves seem to go hand in hand and I feel any problems are not the doing of GH.


Based on what evidence????





I'd say the signing of a player like Bjorklund is all I need to say but how embarrassing you really had to ask. DJ flapped and panicked whereas GH knows what he wants, just seems he isn't getting it and after several weeks of being told bids are on tables I just wonder why things have not progressed.


HW, I agree that these decisions are those of GH but as I've already said he only has so much power. He may well know exactly who he wants but the final say is not his is it?

[peckhamwolf]

I'm not certain it's not Hoddle, in fact I have no proof to suggest that the lack of movement on the signings are down to Moxey.


Just a bit concerned at Hoddle's body language and some of the comments he has made in the press, there's nothing concrete in there he just doesn't give the impression he is particularly chuffed at how things are going, which could be a good thing as at least he has high standards, unlike the inept one.

[sy king]

If we can't get the players that we want to improve the squad and the team I'd rather that the money was left unspent.We need quality not just anybody to placate the malcontents!!





spot on! smileys/smiley32.gif

[Visage Wolf]

I'm not accusing GH or the board of anything at this time but poor
pre season preparation and Wolves seem to go hand in hand and I
feel any problems are not the doing of GH.


Based on what evidence????





I'd say the signing of a player like Bjorklund is all I need to say
but how embarrassing you really had to ask. DJ flapped and panicked
whereas GH knows what he wants, just seems he isn't getting it and
after several weeks of being told bids are on tables I just wonder why
things have not progressed.


HW, I agree that these decisions are those of GH but as I've already
said he only has so much power. He may well know exactly who he wants
but the final say is not his is it?



Which players that have moved this summer would you want us to have bought?

[Essex Wolf]

I fully agree with what basher has to say but the very fact GH identified certain targets weeks ago and things are still no further forwards can only mean one of two things, either the player or his club do not wantto join us or Wolves are not making the bids needed.


Either way if this is the case then the club need to move on. The idiakez issue is a prime example because if Wolves don't sign him we will have wasted weeks and for what?

[Visage Wolf]

Surely you're not advocating that we sign players that no-one else wants?

[hampshire wolf]

[/QUOTE] from Essex





HW, I agree that these decisions are those of GH but as I've already said he only has so much power. He may well know exactly who he wants but the final say is not his is it?[/QUOTE]





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I think he knows exactly who he wants and he seems happy to still keep waiting....Our bids were not rejected remember and the selling clubs we were told had to buy before they could sell. Hoddle himself said that one of the targets might not happen until the end of August but he thought that the wait would be worth it...


On balance of what we are hearing i'd say that its the fact that Hoddle is reluctant to switch his targets rather than anything the board are not doing at the moment.

[Essex Wolf]

Problem is HW is what if these new players GH wants do not join us?


The squad is smaller now than it was 12 months ago and albeit the general quality is far better all round the squad still lacks quality/strength in depth and if it has not improved by the deadline then waiting until January may be a blow to our promotion challenge.

[Goldwolf]

I'm not accusing GH or the board of anything at this time but poor pre season preparation and Wolves seem to go hand in hand and I feel any problems are not the doing of GH.


Based on what evidence????


I'd say the signing of a player like Bjorklund is all I need to say but how embarrassing you really had to ask. DJ flapped and panicked whereas GH knows what he wants, just seems he isn't getting it and after several weeks of being told bids are on tables I just wonder why things have not progressed.


That was down to Dave Jones. What has that got to do with this debate?


Glenn has made bids and is playing the waiting game to see if he gets them, nothing to do with the club at all.


And I should be embarrassed? smileys/smiley1.gifEdited by: Goldwolf

[Essex Wolf]

GW, the point is that the board/Molineux hierarchy do not seem to have learnt lessons from their previous mistakes.


I have no doubt whatsoever that GH is a monumental improvement on DJ but if he cannot make the signings we definately need then I fear the season will not be as successful as we would all like.


As for GH making bids, yes we have been told this for weeks and weeks and weeks now and still nothing has happened.If that remain the case in just under 3 weeks then albeit my opinion I feel winning auto promotion will be a great deal tougher.

[Goldwolf]

GW, the point is that the board/Molineux hierarchy do not seem to have learnt lessons from their previous mistakes.


I understand the concerns, but the actual point is that it is nothing to do with the board, it's up to Glenn.He made the bids, he is the one waiting to see if they come off or not, he is the one who has to decide when to move onto new targets.


I just don't understand why you conclude it's all down to the board not learning lessons. The only lesson they have learnt is that DJ could not be trusted in the transfer market.

[hampshire wolf]

Problem is HW is what if these new players GH wants do not join us?


The squad is smaller now than it was 12 months ago and albeit the general quality is far better all round the squad still lacks quality/strength in depth and if it has not improved by the deadline then waiting until January may be a blow to our promotion challenge.





I agree Essex but imo its probably Hoddle that is holding things up in his reluctance to move on if indeed this is the case. There is still nearly 3 weeks to go so maybe then we will find out more and have more of an idea as to who we tried to get or/and why we didn't get them...


Alternatively we might sign a player or two and we can go into September all in good heart and get on with the football.

[Essex Wolf]

GW, it's up to the board as to whether GH's bids are sanctioned. GH can tell them what he wants and the squad needs etc etc but whether theyact upon it is a different matter. I agree GH needs to move onto new targets if he is having no joy with his current ones but again it is the board who say yes or no at the end of the day.


As regards the board not learning lessons, well I'd say last seasons shambles when we were favourites for promotions says a great deal about how the club were ill prepared for the season ahead. Whilst GH has certainly improved things for this pre season the squad is still not complete.

[Goldwolf]

GW, it's up to the board as to whether GH's bids are sanctioned. GH can tell them what he wants and the squad needs etc etc but whether theyact upon it is a different matter. I agree GH needs to move onto new targets if he is having no joy with his current ones but again it is the board who say yes or no at the end of the day.





As I understand it the bids have been lodged to the clubs in question, i.e. the board have acted on Hoddle's requests. As you say it's up to Hoddle whether he moves onto new targets, which I'm sure the club would santion too, there is no evidence to suggest they wouldn't.

[basher]

Essex


The squad will never be complete as it can always be added to. The question is that you've got to make additions that are going to be better than what you already have, not just for the sake of it!


The current line up we have is the envy of virtually every other team in this division, it's just that some can't see it. For sure we need to make additions in defence and in midfield, but we are talking about three signings at the max. Postions being centre-half, left-back, & midfield.


At present we are doing well and I see no reason to doubt that this will continue. If we do stumble then sobeit and the board can light up with threads saying I told you so. Until then I remain an optimistic Wolves supporter!!

[Guests]

I'm not accusing GH or the board of anything at this time but poor pre season preparation and Wolves seem to go hand in hand and I feel any problems are not the doing of GH.


Based on what evidence????





I'd say the signing of a player like Bjorklund is all I need to say but how embarrassing you really had to ask. DJ flapped and panicked whereas GH knows what he wants, just seems he isn't getting it and after several weeks of being told bids are on tables I just wonder why things have not progressed.


HW, I agree that these decisions are those of GH but as I've already said he only has so much power. He may well know exactly who he wants but the final say is not his is it?




Which players that have moved this summer would you want us to have bought?



the 2 cardiff defenders at west ham now, lee clark pay as you play deal, koumas on loan, to start with.

[Visage Wolf]

I'm not accusing GH or the board of anything at this time but poor
pre season preparation and Wolves seem to go hand in hand and I
feel any problems are not the doing of GH.


Based on what evidence????





I'd say the signing of a player like Bjorklund is all I need to say
but how embarrassing you really had to ask. DJ flapped and panicked
whereas GH knows what he wants, just seems he isn't getting it and
after several weeks of being told bids are on tables I just wonder why
things have not progressed.


HW, I agree that these decisions are those of GH but as I've already
said he only has so much power. He may well know exactly who he wants
but the final say is not his is it?




Which players that have moved this summer would you want us to have bought?



the 2 cardiff defenders at west ham now, lee clark pay as you play deal, koumas on loan, to start with.



TBH i dont particularly rate any of those players, but fair play for actually coming up with an answer.....

[Essex Wolf]

RS, people don't always want to hear the truth and facts.smileys/smiley2.gif

[Guests]

GW, the point is that the board/Molineux hierarchy do not seem to have learnt lessons from their previous mistakes.


I understand the concerns, but the actual point is that it is nothing to do with the board, it's up to Glenn.He made the bids, he is the one waiting to see if they come off or not, he is the one who has to decide when to move onto new targets.


I just don't understand why you conclude it's all down to the board not learning lessons. The only lesson they have learnt is that DJ could not be trusted in the transfer market.





how do you know who makes the bids? i would imagine well i know that moxey would have tabled the bids, he would have been told a price by hoddle but i would think he has tabled a smaller bid and will increase.

[Essex Wolf]

I do believe Moxey has all the dealings with players coming and going. GH identifies the player and that's about all he does, the rest is left to the CEO as far as I'm aware and understood things.

[Guests]

I'm not accusing GH or the board of anything at this time but poor pre season preparation and Wolves seem to go hand in hand and I feel any problems are not the doing of GH.


Based on what evidence????





I'd say the signing of a player like Bjorklund is all I need to say but how embarrassing you really had to ask. DJ flapped and panicked whereas GH knows what he wants, just seems he isn't getting it and after several weeks of being told bids are on tables I just wonder why things have not progressed.


HW, I agree that these decisions are those of GH but as I've already said he only has so much power. He may well know exactly who he wants but the final say is not his is it?




Which players that have moved this summer would you want us to have bought?



the 2 cardiff defenders at west ham now, lee clark pay as you play deal, koumas on loan, to start with.




TBH i dont particularly rate any of those players, but fair play for actually coming up with an answer.....



would make our defensive problems sorted anyway, and if clark played 30 games he would have done great job for us, the defenders are better than ours with the exception of lescott, maybe mcnamara, and clark would get in to the team no problem.

[Visage Wolf]

No, GH will specify a price.



Othewise the board might say 'Glenn, you've got 5 million to spend'. GH
says' Well I'd like to get Idiakez in', and then a week later Moxey
comes back and says' Great news, he's signed, but it took the whole
5m'....



GH will give JM a list of targets, and what he thinks they're worth. JM
then has to either a) get the players in (hopefully for a lot less than
GH's valuation) or b) go back to Glenn and ask for plan B.

[Essex Wolf]

I mentioned Clark weeks ago and if he's good enough for a short term deal at Newcastle I would have thought he was good enough for one at Wolves??

[Goldwolf]

How do you know who makes the bids? i would imagine well i know that moxey would have tabled the bids, he would have been told a price by hoddle but i would think he has tabled a smaller bid and will increase.


Well on the balance of judgement I choose to believe what Glenn and Jez have said rather than conspiracy theories. There is more chance of being right.


And you can't count players who have moved to Premiership clubs, we can't compete with them.


Though maybe McNamara is an exception. smileys/smiley1.gif

[Deutsch Wolf]

Collins and Gabbidon wouldn't have joined us ahead of West Ham. With the possible exception of Koumas (and I'm far from convinced he'll come up with the goods for Cardiff) and McAnuff, there's not one player who's been signed in this league that I wish we'd bought.

[Essex Wolf]

DW, there was a lot of talk about Lita being a great?? player for us to sign.

[paddingtonwolf]

However other teams look at our capture of Jackie and go "oh shi'ite we can't compete with that"

[Deutsch Wolf]

DW, there was a lot of talk about Lita being a great?? player for us to sign.


At the time, I said (at great length) why we shouldn't spend £1.2m on an unknown quantity who'd had half a good season in a lower division, when we scored more than anyone outside the top three last season.I stand by that.

[Essex Wolf]

I happen to agree DW but some saw him as a fantastic buy, personally for the money involved Ido not.

[Guests]

How do you know who makes the bids? i would imagine well i know that moxey would have tabled the bids, he would have been told a price by hoddle but i would think he has tabled a smaller bid and will increase.


Well on the balance of judgement I choose to believe what Glenn and Jez have said rather than conspiracy theories. There is more chance of being right.


And you can't count players who have moved to Premiership clubs, we can't compete with them.


Though maybe McNamara is an exception. smileys/smiley1.gif





why cant you count them? i am only counting the ones i believe we could have signed.

[Ginger Chimp]

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You guys, you kill me, you really do, ha, ha, ha. Oh dear, oh dear.


<wipes tears from eyes, and rubs aching jaw>


We have this type of debate every, singlesummer/ start of season: "We haven't signed enough players, the players we have signed aren't good enough, it's the board's fault, it's the manager's fault, it's SJH's fault, it's the fault of Willie McKay... ITV digital are to blame."


It's business as usual. Targets identified, targets not keen to commit, search out new targets. Move the $$$$$$ on people. Nothing new to see here.


So, who's the bigger club ... us or the Albion?


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[Guests]

Collins and Gabbidon wouldn't have joined us ahead of West Ham. With the possible exception of Koumas (and I'm far from convinced he'll come up with the goods for Cardiff) and McAnuff, there's not one player who's been signed in this league that I wish we'd bought.


oh right then just like a certain celtic captain would pick a prem team or celtic over us too, talk realistic will you, its all about the money and if moxey wants to be stupid and do his silly deals on incoming players then we have no chance, if we wanted someone enough we should pay over the odds, thats the only realistic way of getting them in sooner, or you risk loosing them to another team.

[Deutsch Wolf]

if moxey wants to be stupid and do his silly deals on incoming players then we have no chance, if we wanted someone enough we should pay over the odds, thats the only realistic way of getting them in sooner, or you risk loosing them to another team.





RoseyStones, businessman of the year 2005. I don't know how you can back that up at all - let's plunge ourselves into debt and pay stupid money for average players?

[paddingtonwolf]

yes please - I want to have accounts like filthy Leeds

[Guests]

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You guys, you kill me, you really do, ha, ha, ha. Oh dear, oh dear.


<wipes tears from eyes, and rubs aching jaw>


We have this type of debate every, singlesummer/ start of season: "We haven't signed enough players, the players we have signed aren't good enough, it's the board's fault, it's the manager's fault, it's SJH's fault, it's the fault of Willie McKay... ITV digital are to blame."


It's business as usual. Targets identified, targets not keen to commit, search out new targets. Move the $$$$$$ on people. Nothing new to see here.


So, who's the bigger club ... us or the Albion?


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what you on about $$$$$? go to bed will you, or are you excited about the new signing a player who got about 20 in the cola league, great one again.

[Ginger Chimp]

oh right then just like a certain celtic captain would pick a prem team or celtic over us too, talk realistic will you, its all about the money and if moxey wants to be stupid and do his silly deals on incoming players then we have no chance, if we wanted someone enough we should pay over the odds, thats the only realistic way of getting them in sooner, or you risk loosing them to another team.





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Stop it, stop it, it hurts. No, really, please, no more, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.


<rolls under the desk to avoid colleagues thinking he's dying>


<muffled chuckles still audible>

[Guests]

if moxey wants to be stupid and do his silly deals on incoming players then we have no chance, if we wanted someone enough we should pay over the odds, thats the only realistic way of getting them in sooner, or you risk loosing them to another team.





RoseyStones, businessman of the year 2005. I don't know how you can back that up at all - let's plunge ourselves into debt and pay stupid money for average players?





no i think you will find its getting in the players you want, and probably paying what you would after 2 months haggling.


is that plain and simple enough for you Mr Know all but knows $$$$ all.

[Deutsch Wolf]

What a nice man.

[Guests]

oh right then just like a certain celtic captain would pick a prem team or celtic over us too, talk realistic will you, its all about the money and if moxey wants to be stupid and do his silly deals on incoming players then we have no chance, if we wanted someone enough we should pay over the odds, thats the only realistic way of getting them in sooner, or you risk loosing them to another team.





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Stop it, stop it, it hurts. No, really, please, no more, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.


<rolls under the desk to avoid colleagues thinking he's dying>


<muffled chuckles still audible>





where is HH? say no more you stupid little pathetic man who supports a stupid pathetic LITTLE team from brum,

[paddingtonwolf]

rosey you numpty he's a Wolves fan


Ginger chimp takes the $$$$ ffs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Guests]

zis is ze vay ze ozer teams do it,

[Guests]

rosey you numpty he's a Wolves fan


Ginger chimp takes the $$$$ ffs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





the chimp praises albion over us, i am sure he is a wolves fan, he is just a moron like you perhaps,

[Deutsch Wolf]

Oh look, poster makes bull$$$$$ point, I question it, $$$$$$$$ poster comes back with "ha ha, you German" quip. Problem being that I'm not German, and you're still making possibly the worst argument I've seen on here for months.

[Ginger Chimp]

where is HH? say no more you stupid little pathetic man who supports a stupid pathetic LITTLE team from brum,








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Humour.





Lost on some people.

[Ginger Chimp]

the chimp praises albion over us, i am sure he is a wolves fan, he is just a moron like you perhaps,





Where?

[Guests]

yes please - I want to have accounts like filthy Leeds





i think if you open your eyes we are not going to pay £20 m for defenders etc, are we?


i mean pay another 100k or 200k to get the players our manager wants.

[QB Wolf]

Can someone please tell me what point RS is trying to make?smileys/smiley5.gif

[Deutsch Wolf]

Cave in and pay whatever selling clubs ask, after all, Chelsea are the league champions, and that's what they do.

[Guests]

Oh look, poster makes bull$$$$$ point, I question it, $$$$$$$$ poster comes back with "ha ha, you German" quip. Problem being that I'm not German, and you're still making possibly the worst argument I've seen on here for months.


is that right $$$$$$$$? you should take a look at every post you type, everyone is a petty remark or dig at someonel, withnice long pretty words, but you know nowt and we all know that on here we just love to see you argue to make yourself look a bigger $$$$$$$$ each day, god it must be 3'6" long by now.

[paddingtonwolf]

oh this is just too rich


LIQ, BillyQ


where are you when this $$$$ needs taking to the cleaners?

[Ginger Chimp]

Can someone please tell me what point RS is trying to make?smileys/smiley5.gif





This one, I think: <struggling to hold back the giggles>


if we wanted someone enough we should pay over the odds, thats the only realistic way of getting them in sooner, or you risk loosing them to another team

[QB Wolf]

oh this is just too rich


LIQ, BillyQ


where are you when this $$$$ needs taking to the cleaners?





That e-mail address doesn't work!

[paddingtonwolf]

oh this is just too rich


LIQ, BillyQ


where are you when this $$$$ needs taking to the cleaners?





That e-mail address doesn't work!





Sorry QB - my bloody keyboard thinks anything involving @ is a bloody link!

[Guests]

Can someone please tell me what point RS is trying to make?smileys/smiley5.gif


quite simple really if you read,


step 1 ring up club, ask if they would be prepared to sell player,


2 how much lets say 1.2m


3 we offer 1.2m and sign player,


or we can do it this way as it seems we are doing,


step 1 and 2 as above,


3 we offer 750k, bid gets turned down and everone knows player is available,


step 4 offer 900k gets turned down and club get $$$$ed off with us,


step 5 cave in and pay 1.1 or 1.2m for the player anyway but now he needs weeks or months to settle in.


simple isnt it.

[Del Woppio]

Collins and Gabbidon wouldn't have joined us ahead of West Ham. With the possible exception of Koumas (and I'm far from convinced he'll come up with the goods for Cardiff) and McAnuff, there's not one player who's been signed in this league that I wish we'd bought.


oh right then just like a certain celtic captain would pick a prem team or celtic over us too, talk realistic will you, its all about the money and if moxey wants to be stupid and do his silly deals on incoming players then we have no chance, if we wanted someone enough we should pay over the odds, thats the only realistic way of getting them in sooner, or you risk loosing them to another team.





oh please. lets sign idiakez, a 32 year old for £2m, and beat the 2 year contract he's got at Derby. while we're at it, can we sign Winston Bogarde, put him on £70k and never play him. can we also sign the serially injured seth johnson, yeah he'll take a drop from £35k, lets give him £20k. OOh mcanuff. yep, we'll bid £3m for him too, after all, we've got to pay over the odds for players of such quality. shall we phone Bjorkland up? he was on £10k, but worth every penny.


Finally, we have a CEO and a manager that care about the long term future and prosperity of the club. a back room team that want Wolves to be financially stable, and secure so we are never in the situation that Leeds/Leicester/Swindon/Cardiff/Wednesday/Forest/etc are, or have been, in. but lets ignore those and pay over the odds, because thats the way forward. Moxey out, Ridsdale in.


btw, rosey, the above is should be read with sarcasm aplenty. just in case.

[Deutsch Wolf]

is that right $$$$$$$$? you should take a look at every post you type, everyone is a petty remark or dig at someonel, withnice long pretty words, but you know nowt and we all know that on here we just love to see you argue to make yourself look a bigger $$$$$$$$ each day, god it must be 3'6" long by now.


You and your army of cyberwarriors, is that?

[Visage Wolf]

Can someone please tell me what point RS is trying to make?smileys/smiley5.gif



I think he's asking us all to treat him like our bitch.

[Guests]

oh this is just too rich


LIQ, BillyQ


where are you when this $$$$ needs taking to the cleaners?





i think you need traking to the cleaners,


pooohee.

[paddingtonwolf]

best flame war of the new MM. Loving it


edit: oh no - now I smell and need "traking to the cleaners". Sheeite and abortion Rosey you defy belief but thanks for the entertainment.Edited by: paddingtonwolf

[QB Wolf]

Can someone please tell me what point RS is trying to make?smileys/smiley5.gif


quite simple really if you read,


step 1 ring up club, ask if they would be prepared to sell player,


2 how much lets say 1.2m


3 we offer 1.2m and sign player,


or we can do it this way as it seems we are doing,


step 1 and 2 as above,


3 we offer 750k, bid gets turned down and everone knows player is available,


step 4 offer 900k gets turned down and club get $$$$ed off with us,


step 5 cave in and pay 1.1 or 1.2m for the player anyway but now he needs weeks or months to settle in.


simple isnt it.








What happens if the selling club is riddled with debt and we offer say 800k and they say yes? We then save 300k.

[Deutsch Wolf]

I said at the start of the day that I'd behave today. Deep breaths.

[Ginger Chimp]

I said at the start of the day that I'd behave today. Deep breaths.





smileys/smiley4.gifsmileys/smiley32.gif

[Guests]

Can someone please tell me what point RS is trying to make?smileys/smiley5.gif


quite simple really if you read,


step 1 ring up club, ask if they would be prepared to sell player,


2 how much lets say 1.2m


3 we offer 1.2m and sign player,


or we can do it this way as it seems we are doing,


step 1 and 2 as above,


3 we offer 750k, bid gets turned down and everone knows player is available,


step 4 offer 900k gets turned down and club get $$$$ed off with us,


step 5 cave in and pay 1.1 or 1.2m for the player anyway but now he needs weeks or months to settle in.


simple isnt it.








What happens if the selling club is riddled with debt and we offer say 800k and they say yes? We then save 300k.





great, but we have and he still isnt here is he?


get the point know?

[QB Wolf]

Rosey,


Do you fancy moving to Stourbridge? You can have my house for 800k.

[paddingtonwolf]

I said at the start of the day that I'd behave today. Deep breaths.


Don't bother - spit vitriol at this thing all you like. I won't mind


http://d1309274.u29.jodoshared.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

[Guests]

I said at the start of the day that I'd behave today. Deep breaths.


was that when mummsy wummsy asked you to behave while she goes to her job.

[Visage Wolf]

Can someone please tell me what point RS is trying to make?smileys/smiley5.gif


quite simple really if you read,


step 1 ring up club, ask if they would be prepared to sell player,


2 how much lets say 1.2m


3 we offer 1.2m and sign player,


or we can do it this way as it seems we are doing,


step 1 and 2 as above,


3 we offer 750k, bid gets turned down and everone knows player is available,


step 4 offer 900k gets turned down and club get $$$$ed off with us,


step 5 cave in and pay 1.1 or 1.2m for the player anyway but now he needs weeks or months to settle in.


simple isnt it.



Serious Question, RS:



Do you type with a headwand?

[Deutsch Wolf]

I said at the start of the day that I'd behave today. Deep breaths.


was that when mummsy wummsy asked you to behave while she goes to her job.





Nope, it was after I'd got in yet another pointless argument with someone else. And you went and spoiled it all........


Not one person agrees with you on this. Being a knob about it doesn't mean people will agree with you or respect your opinion.

[Ginger Chimp]

Sy could not have known what he starting at 09.00 this morning.

[Guests]

Rosey,


Do you fancy moving to Stourbridge? You can have my house for 800k.





no, wouldnt pay over 60k for any in stourbridge.


only joking, i cannot understand your problem with the post, if hoddle wants idiakez and derby want 1m, why not pay the extra 100k or 200k 6 weeks ago and get him,

[Ginger Chimp]

Serious Question, RS:

Do you type with a headwand?



smileys/smiley36.gif


Stop, stop, stop, I really can't cope....smileys/smiley2.gif

[Guests]

Sy could not have known what he starting at 09.00 this morning.


he could it happens everyday.Edited by: Goldwolf

[Deutsch Wolf]

if hoddle wants idiakez and derby want 1m, why not pay the extra 100k or 200k 6 weeks ago and get him,


Because:


a) He's 32, and it's dead money


b) It's debatable whether he's worth £1m


c) Derby are riddled with debt


d) We don't have a bottomless pit of money

[IMAB]

I think the club should get their finger out and sign Figo.


Hes available for £2m, and hed jump at the chance if we paid him £300k a week on a 10 year deal.

[QB Wolf]

It's called negotiation, getting the best deal for the club, getting the 'biggest bang for your buck', to use a horrible American phrase.





Moxey and Hoddle wouldn't be doing their job if they paid more for a player than he was worth.

[Ginger Chimp]

only joking, i cannot understand your problem with the post, if hoddle wants idiakez and derby want 1m, why not pay the extra 100k or 200k 6 weeks ago and get him,





Don't you see? Really? How about this ...


How much is your house?


£100k


I think it's only worth £80k but I really like it.


It's £100k


I'm only prepared to pay £85k max.


I want £100k


....





Why would you pay more than you wanted to?

[peckhamwolf]

Tell you what why don't we go out and sign Seth Johnson, save wasting time with negotiating, offer him £35k a week and be done with it?


Do you own any fish, RS?

[Guests]

only joking, i cannot understand your problem with the post, if hoddle wants idiakez and derby want 1m, why not pay the extra 100k or 200k 6 weeks ago and get him,





Don't you see? Really? How about this ...


How much is your house?


£100k


I think it's only worth £80k but I really like it.


It's £100k


I'm only prepared to pay £85k max.


I want £100k


....





Why would you pay more than you wanted to?





in that case i would move on buy another house, but we havent have we, we really want idiakez and are pushing our luck with derby now, so if he realy is our first choice then get him,

[Guests]

Tell you what why don't we go out and sign Seth Johnson, save wasting time with negotiating, offer him £35k a week and be done with it?


Do you own any fish, RS?





cause you nor me nor hoddle want him, he wants idiakez, so why make up players and wages i have not mentioned nor has hoddle?

[Guests]

PW do you own any family?

[Guests]

Can someone please tell me what point RS is trying to make?smileys/smiley5.gif

I think he's asking us all to treat him like our bitch.



i dont want to be treated like youre wife, if thats what you mean.Edited by: RoseyStones

[Visage Wolf]

PW do you own any family?



Ouch.



Good comeback. You really put him in his place

[Visage Wolf]

Can someone please tell me what point RS is trying to make?smileys/smiley5.gif

I think he's asking us all to treat him like our bitch.



i dont want to be treated like youre wife, if thats what you mean.



Miaow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Guests]

you mean like your cat sorry,

[Visage Wolf]

you mean like your cat sorry,



That cat cost me 1 million quid, i'll have you know.

[Deutsch Wolf]

That cat cost me 1 million quid, i'll have you know.



I can see why, the price tag said £1,000,000, so you just paid it.

[hoop]

in that case i would move on buy another house, but we havent have we, we really want idiakez and are pushing our luck with derby now, so if he realy is our first choice then get him,





But Derby don't want to sell him.


If he stays and gets them in the play-offs again this year, the money they earn would would be more than the £1.2m we think we want to pay.


Also they probably don't want to sell him to one of their promotion rivals, because that would come back to bite them in the arse.


And another thing I thought of, their manager has said several times publicly that he doesn't want to sell him, if he does he looks like a prat in the first month of his job.Edited by: hoop

[paddingtonwolf]

PW do you own any family?


you referring to me or Peckham?

[Del Woppio]

rosy, such a command of the English language you have. I suspect your scrabble scores are like telephone numbers! I get the impression you were'nt hugged enough as a child, so come here.....

[Guests]

god he must have realy liked it, maybe it was is first choice cat.

[Guests]

rosy, such a command of the English language you have. I suspect your scrabble scores are like telephone numbers! I get the impression you were'nt hugged enough as a child, so come here.....





when you get a wife you may have children, and you can then hug them, untill the day keep counting them flying pink things just going past your window old chap.

[peckhamwolf]

PW do you own any family?


'Own' family????


Chill out and watch the new series of CSI on living tonight.

[Del Woppio]

you mean like your cat sorry,

That cat cost me 1 million quid, i'll have you know.



it must have been worth £750k, because you've got to pay over the odds or risk losing cats to other teams.

[paddingtonwolf]

rosey this is unbelievable


quit whilst you are behind please you sound like a complete arse

[Guests]

in that case i would move on buy another house, but we havent have we, we really want idiakez and are pushing our luck with derby now, so if he realy is our first choice then get him,





But Derby don't want to sell him.


If he stays and gets them in the play-offs again this year, the money they earn would would be more than the £1.2m we think we want to pay.


Also they probably don't want to sell him to one of their promotion rivals, because that would come back to bite them in the arse.


And another thing I thought of, their manager has said several times publicly that he doesn't want to sell him, if he does he looks like a prat in the first month of his job.





yes we all know this, so why have we not gone to plan B or C?


instead of going back in again for him, why didnt we offer our bid 6 weeks ago when knocked back with first bid,and say fair enough we have gone to our max lets move on.

[Guests]

you mean like your cat sorry,

That cat cost me 1 million quid, i'll have you know.



it must have been worth £750k, because you've got to pay over the odds or risk losing cats to other teams.





great if wanted a cat in midfield but we dont do we? we want a player who is rated at about 1.2m and we have offered about 900k so far and are due to go again with another bid, all i am saying is why not bid this final one after our first knock back to make sure we either get him or the next target,

[Visage Wolf]

Serious Question RS:



Were you a milk monitor at school?

[Guests]

rosey this is unbelievable


quit whilst you are behind please you sound like a complete arse





complete arse smileys/smiley32.gif

[Deutsch Wolf]

How do you know we haven't done that? You don't think we've even looked at signing someone else? Just because it's not been in the E&S doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

[Guests]

Serious Question RS:

Were you a milk monitor at school?



serious question PW;


Were you a bell ringer at school?

[paddingtonwolf]

Serious Question RS:

Were you a milk monitor at school?



serious question PW;


Were you a bell ringer at school?





He's VW I'm PW


Are you still a bell end?

[Guests]

How do you know we haven't done that? You don't think we've even looked at signing someone else? Just because it's not been in the E&S doesn't mean it hasn't happened.


as we get to know all on here as you and others know everything, i think most would agree we have not moved to plan B or C or they may have moved to another club by now, hoddle wants idiakez and will now pay more and more for him due to moxey trying to get him on the cheap, who have we signed on the cheap over the last few years? we sell at a good price but are $$$$$e at signings, we only got the 2 in this summer due to hoddle and anyone could have signed gypo.

[peckhamwolf]

Rosey are you greekfishes brother, overtly defensive and insecure down to your brother getting all the personality, charisma and intelligence?

[Guests]

Rosey are you greekfishes brother, overtly defensive and insecure down to your brother getting all the personality, charisma and intelligence?





Pekam are you josie bings brother? very hairy and ugly as sin and thats your good points.

[Deutsch Wolf]

It's either Greekfish or Bye Bye Baggies, he used to finish posts with a comma and fire off Rooney-esque volumes of abuse as well.

[Ginger Chimp]

we want a player who is rated at about 1.2m and we have offered about 900k so far and are due to go again with another bid, all i am saying is why not bid this final one after our first knock back to make sure we either get him or the next target,





HE IS NOT VALUED AT £1.2M BY GLENN HODDLE AND WOLVES F.C.





Do you get it now?





How do you know another target is not being viewed - you wouldn't only look at one house or one kitten would you?

[Toon Wolf]

Quick, send for the police, MI5, the Marines, quick, RoseyStones is getting killed.


By the way, Moxey has already said he's been getting twitchy about the transfer dealings and it has been Hoddle's patience that has been the reason behind the lack of transfers.

[sy king]

bloody hell what have i started? smileys/smiley18.gif

[Deutsch Wolf]

Lord knows. I think it's Bye Bye Baggies up to his old tricks again. I've already had to report the $$$$$ to admin.

[paddingtonwolf]

just a moderate little flame war. It was diverting for a while but has lost some of its charm

[QB Wolf]

it must have been worth £750k, because you've got to pay over the odds or risk losing cats to other teams.





or loosing cats which isjust irresponsible

[paddingtonwolf]

Lord knows. I think it's Bye Bye Baggies up to his old tricks again. I've already had to report the $$$$$ to admin.


did you get PM's then or was what was said in open forum enough? I thought Hitler was a bit near the knuckle

[Deutsch Wolf]

Yeah, it was the Hitler remark. Not funny. smileys/smiley18.gif

[paddingtonwolf]

Damn stupid really


I didn't bite but I think the family threat was on the way if I rose to the bait.

[QB Wolf]

Worth reporting though?smileys/smiley5.gif

[Deutsch Wolf]

You'd be happy to be called Hitler then, QB?

[Guests]

Jesus $$$$$ing christ.

[paddingtonwolf]

maybe not QB but that's down to the mods. They would only take action if they thought it needed it

[QB Wolf]

You'd be happy to be called Hitler then, QB?


Although I can see why it's offensive, it wouldn't really bother me what someone on a message board called me.


I've seen and been a victim of a lot worse on here but it's not worth worrying about.

[Deutsch Wolf]

See what you're saying, QB, but he needed to wind his neck in a bit. I was more narked because he launched into all the anti-German crap after, for once, I didn't actually say anything patronising or sarky to him at all.

[paddingtonwolf]

itwas a shame it all dissolved into sludge because at times, especially when chimp joined in it got outlandishly funny

[Guests]

you should take a look at every post you type, everyone is a petty remark or dig at someonel, withnice long pretty words, but you know nowt and we all know that on here we just love to see you argue to make yourself look a bigger $$$$$$$$ each day, god it must be 3'6" long by now.





RoseyStones, how right you are.

[Guests]

See what you're saying, QB, but he needed to wind his neck in a bit. I was more narked because he launched into all the anti-German crap after, for once, I didn't actually say anything patronising or sarky to him at all.


are you german? so what is your problem? after another argument are we? silly billy.

[Guests]

Oh look, poster makes bull$$$$$ point, I question it, $$$$$$$$ poster comes back with "ha ha, you German" quip. Problem being that I'm not German, and you're still making possibly the worst argument I've seen on here for months.


so lets start again why the name calling?


after another argument are we?


send that to the mods please.

[Visage Wolf]

I've got it. Its rhyming slang.



Rosey is none other than a certain monosyllabic dour scouser....he probably thinks DW bombed his chippy.


Edited by: Visage Wolf

[Guests]

oh this is just too rich


LIQ, BillyQ


where are you when this $$$$ needs taking to the cleaners?





send this to the mods also.


calling names then complain when one gets thrown back, little childrens play.

[Guests]

Can someone please tell me what point RS is trying to make?smileys/smiley5.gif

I think he's asking us all to treat him like our bitch.



and this one too.

[Deutsch Wolf]

Calling someone Hitler's isn't very funny though, is it? I take it you don't have many Jewish friends, or know many Germans then?

[Guests]

I said at the start of the day that I'd behave today. Deep breaths.


was that when mummsy wummsy asked you to behave while she goes to her job.





Nope, it was after I'd got in yet another pointless argument with someone else. And you went and spoiled it all........


Not one person agrees with you on this. Being a knob about it doesn't mean people will agree with you or respect your opinion.





and another

[Guests]

Calling someone Hitler's isn't very funny though, is it? I take it you don't have many Jewish friends, or know many Germans then?


dont try and twist it, its better than being called a $$$$$, $$$$$$$$, $$$ or did you oversee these? get a life.

[Deutsch Wolf]

That's right. I'd much rather be compared to a tyrant who oversaw and in parts authorised the execution of 6,000,000 people than have a playground insult thrown at me.

[Guests]

you should take a look at every post you type, everyone is a petty remark or dig at someonel, withnice long pretty words, but you know nowt and we all know that on here we just love to see you argue to make yourself look a bigger $$$$$$$$ each day, god it must be 3'6" long by now.





RoseyStones, how right you are.





now now he will be reporting you to the mods, whilst asking them not to look at his rants full of childish name calling.

[Bill McCai]

THIS THREAD IS GAYER THAN GAY CRAIG FROM BIG BROTHER DANCING WITH ELTON JOHN AT GAY CLUB, LONDON.

[Guests]

That's right. I'd much rather be compared to a tyrant who oversaw and in parts authorised the execution of 6,000,000 people than have a playground insult thrown at me.


0k then i will let you call mr Mr Laden if you like.

[Guests]

i wont cry nor will i go running to the mods, promise, how childish you look at the moment.

[Visage Wolf]

For the love of god....this thread is like watching a blind man trying
to bone a puppy. Tragic and grotesque, but strangely compelling.

[Guests]

For the love of god....this thread is like watching a blind man trying to bone a puppy. Tragic and grotesque, but strangely compelling.


you will have to lend me that dvd.

[Visage Wolf]

For the love of god....this
thread is like watching a blind man trying to bone a puppy. Tragic and
grotesque, but strangely compelling.


you will have to lend me that dvd.



Do you not get a copy when it was made?

[Guests]

For the love of god....this thread is like watching a blind man trying to bone a puppy. Tragic and grotesque, but strangely compelling.


you will have to lend me that dvd.




Do you not get a copy when it was made?



no you never sent me one, i must get on your mailing list.


whos dog did you use?

[welshwolf]

See what you're saying, QB, but he needed to wind his neck in a bit. I was more narked because he launched into all the anti-German crap after, for once, I didn't actually say anything patronising or sarky to him at all.





sorry DW but I think it's a bit rich going running to the MODs on this one especially after some of your Anti-welsh remarks on other threads


the hitler remark was tasteless bt I think we are big enough to see the sort of poster Rosey is and lets be honest quite a lot of people on here have been baiting him all afternoon.


we seem to be quickly returning to the dark days at the end of the E & S forum which is a shame

[Deutsch Wolf]

Didn't say anything anti-Welsh on the other threads mate, just that I don't like Cardiff fans. No problem with the Welsh per se.

[welshwolf]

Didn't say anything anti-Welsh on the other threads mate, just that I don't like Cardiff fans. No problem with the Welsh per se.





in that case cool , I don't like Cardiff fans either , I think it was the Welsh inbreds remark that wound me up

[Deutsch Wolf]

Only referring to the freaks who "support" Cardiff, and feel it necessary to assault all and sundry. As I say, no problem with the Welsh - had some real good banter with some boyos during the Six Nations game last season!

[Goldwolf]

This is going nowhere. I'm trying to work and my Inbox is full of complaints.


Thread closed.


<Takes Aidan hat off>

[Guests]

Further more.


The report a post button is for reporting serious posts not a play thing for petty squabbles.


I am not refering to this particualr instance, although i do feel some people are being a little bit childish (*opens a can worms).