fielden05
10-01-2007, 18:11
Breaking News On Ssn!!
View Full Version : Souness Makes Written Bid For Wolves
whitemouse75
10-01-2007, 18:12
bring it on
wolf of sedgley
10-01-2007, 18:14
Jez has just eaten the letter and will say he never recieved it.
MobNet Wolf
10-01-2007, 18:15
Yup, another twist.
Get in!
Get in!
whitemouse75
10-01-2007, 18:15
this statement from souness does now officially make jez's statemnts yesterday look well dodgy
Taffywolf
10-01-2007, 18:16
Good and I hope they accept it.
Rocky_Balllboa
10-01-2007, 18:16
Moxey is a fat liar!
Take the money Sir Jack?!
Take the money Sir Jack?!
Eddie the Adventurer
10-01-2007, 18:17
Dodgy? It's beyond a joke. He has tried to con everyone. I can't believe it. Any word our Jez says from now on should treated with a pinch of salt. He should resign.
Mutchy
10-01-2007, 18:18
this statement from souness does now officially make jez's statemnts yesterday look well dodgy
Or this could be described as the first formal offer from GS?
Or this could be described as the first formal offer from GS?
Nashie
10-01-2007, 18:18
Its been turned down on the grounds that Moxey's services will not be retained.
fielden05
10-01-2007, 18:19
seems first offer was only verbal, if souness comes in, i cant see moexy staying somehow!
Bahama Wolf
10-01-2007, 18:19
Just read his latest statement, saying his plans for Wolves would excite the fans. Nice also to read comments about our potential due to our history etc, i actually think Jez has been outmanouevred by Souness on this one and now the fans know what is going on, a sale could be imminent and Jez handed his P45. This is not going away gently!............
Wivey Wolf
10-01-2007, 18:20
Or this could be described as the first formal offer from GS?
HERESY! How dare you question the Moxey-knockers!
(oooh that conjures up nasty images - wish I hadn't said that now....)
How does something that happens AFTER an event make someone a liar?
HERESY! How dare you question the Moxey-knockers!
(oooh that conjures up nasty images - wish I hadn't said that now....)
How does something that happens AFTER an event make someone a liar?
EasternWolf
10-01-2007, 18:21
seems first offer was only verbal, if souness comes in, i cant see moexy staying somehow!
why not?
it will be a bad day for wolves if souness comes on board ...goodbye Jez ..goodbye Mick ... hello petulant outbursts and unhappy players
why not?
it will be a bad day for wolves if souness comes on board ...goodbye Jez ..goodbye Mick ... hello petulant outbursts and unhappy players
welshwolf
10-01-2007, 18:21
interesting that the statement from souness said that it was being considered but both parties agreed it sould be done confidencially from now on
gaz kford
10-01-2007, 18:22
Its been turned down on the grounds that Moxey's services will not be retained.
We might be able to get a pie under the concourse then.
Sorry i know bad pie joke.:o
We might be able to get a pie under the concourse then.
Sorry i know bad pie joke.:o
whitemouse75
10-01-2007, 18:25
How does something that happens AFTER an event make someone a liar?
i didnt say he was a liar, i said that todays statement makes yesterdays look dodgy.
which it does.
i didnt say he was a liar, i said that todays statement makes yesterdays look dodgy.
which it does.
Boss Hogg
10-01-2007, 18:27
Begs the question why he didn't make a written bid before. Looks like he was playing the media to gauge the fan's reaction before submitting a written bid.
whitemouse75
10-01-2007, 18:28
Or this could be described as the first formal offer from GS?
why, because its wrtten, if i make an offer on a house is it not a real offer until i type it out?
why, because its wrtten, if i make an offer on a house is it not a real offer until i type it out?
djackl
10-01-2007, 18:30
Begs the question why he didn't make a written bid before. Looks like he was playing the media to gauge the fan's reaction before submitting a written bid.
Exactly. He's sucking up to the fans in the hope that they will force out Hayward and Moxey, opening the way for him to play the knight in shining armour. It's a see-through tactic (although its clear that the plebs will embrace him with open arms), and has got him well ahead of any other potential buyers. Doesn't say anything about his intentions though, and he's already lied to us once...
Exactly. He's sucking up to the fans in the hope that they will force out Hayward and Moxey, opening the way for him to play the knight in shining armour. It's a see-through tactic (although its clear that the plebs will embrace him with open arms), and has got him well ahead of any other potential buyers. Doesn't say anything about his intentions though, and he's already lied to us once...
Wivey Wolf
10-01-2007, 18:31
i didnt say he was a liar, i said that todays statement makes yesterdays look dodgy.
which it does.
I wasn't talking to you.
And no it doesn't.
which it does.
I wasn't talking to you.
And no it doesn't.
Wivey Wolf
10-01-2007, 18:32
why, because its wrtten, if i make an offer on a house is it not a real offer until i type it out?
She said "formal" not "real". BIG difference... though some of the letters are the same...
She said "formal" not "real". BIG difference... though some of the letters are the same...
Mutchy
10-01-2007, 18:33
why, because its wrtten, if i make an offer on a house is it not a real offer until i type it out?
I guess its subject to the risk of backtracking, or trying to change the terms, for example, until it is actually in writing? For the sake of both parties I would imagine that a formal/official offer needs to be made in writing.
I guess its subject to the risk of backtracking, or trying to change the terms, for example, until it is actually in writing? For the sake of both parties I would imagine that a formal/official offer needs to be made in writing.
RoffeyWolf
10-01-2007, 18:35
I wasn't talking to you.
And no it doesn't.
I like Moxey but can see he has played this badly. I agree though it isn't dodgy - Souness hadnt made a written offer so Moxey was right....if only he had just said "we dont discuss any bids if and when they come", rather than inferring no contact at all with Souness.
And no it doesn't.
I like Moxey but can see he has played this badly. I agree though it isn't dodgy - Souness hadnt made a written offer so Moxey was right....if only he had just said "we dont discuss any bids if and when they come", rather than inferring no contact at all with Souness.
Nashie
10-01-2007, 18:36
We might be able to get a pie under the concourse then.
Sorry i know bad pie joke.:o
Nothing wrong with a pie reference, winds up the moxey apologists on here.
Sorry i know bad pie joke.:o
Nothing wrong with a pie reference, winds up the moxey apologists on here.
whitemouse75
10-01-2007, 18:36
She said "formal" not "real". BIG difference... though some of the letters are the same...
thanks for pointing the difference out.
so, yesterdays "informal" offer, which did actually happen, doesnt actually count, meaning jez was right to deny talks with souness.
old soey gets out his pen 24 hrs later and writes down a bid, and now thats different?
i have no feelings one way or another for the haywards or mr moxey, but surely even you and mutchy can see that yesterday was a big $$$$ up?
thanks for pointing the difference out.
so, yesterdays "informal" offer, which did actually happen, doesnt actually count, meaning jez was right to deny talks with souness.
old soey gets out his pen 24 hrs later and writes down a bid, and now thats different?
i have no feelings one way or another for the haywards or mr moxey, but surely even you and mutchy can see that yesterday was a big $$$$ up?
Wivey Wolf
10-01-2007, 18:39
thanks for pointing the difference out.
so, yesterdays "informal" offer, which did actually happen, doesnt actually count, meaning jez was right to deny talks with souness.
old soey gets out his pen 24 hrs later and writes down a bid, and now thats different?
i have no feelings one way or another for the haywards or mr moxey, but surely even you and mutchy can see that yesterday was a big $$$$ up?
Please may I have a link to this statement from Jez? If you'd be so kind.
so, yesterdays "informal" offer, which did actually happen, doesnt actually count, meaning jez was right to deny talks with souness.
old soey gets out his pen 24 hrs later and writes down a bid, and now thats different?
i have no feelings one way or another for the haywards or mr moxey, but surely even you and mutchy can see that yesterday was a big $$$$ up?
Please may I have a link to this statement from Jez? If you'd be so kind.
Mutchy
10-01-2007, 18:39
I don't doubt yesterday could have been handled better...by all concerned.
MobNet Wolf
10-01-2007, 18:42
This is quality news.
European football within 5 years anyone? ;)
European football within 5 years anyone? ;)
BlahBlah
10-01-2007, 18:42
Didn't Jack Hayward himself say last week "people have got to put their money on the table".
I thought it was a very strange time for him to give another interview so soon after the Paul Franks business....was this the hidden meaning aimed at Souness and co?
Well done Wolves. We've drawn a bidder out into public with a written bid and it's on TV. Now we know Souness is serious.
Now let's see the plans for the club Mr. Souness, none of this media crap with no substance.
I thought it was a very strange time for him to give another interview so soon after the Paul Franks business....was this the hidden meaning aimed at Souness and co?
Well done Wolves. We've drawn a bidder out into public with a written bid and it's on TV. Now we know Souness is serious.
Now let's see the plans for the club Mr. Souness, none of this media crap with no substance.
whitemouse75
10-01-2007, 18:42
Please may I have a link to this statement from Jez? If you'd be so kind.
http://www.wolves.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/NewsDetail/0,,10307~962339,00.html
my pleasure
http://www.wolves.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/NewsDetail/0,,10307~962339,00.html
my pleasure
whitemouse75
10-01-2007, 18:43
I don't doubt yesterday could have been handled better...by all concerned.
which is all i was trying to say originally.
which is all i was trying to say originally.
Big Mack
10-01-2007, 18:44
Now on Sky website...
http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=440797&CPID=10&clid=39&lid=2&title=Souness+bid+'being+considered'
http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=440797&CPID=10&clid=39&lid=2&title=Souness+bid+'being+considered'
gaz kford
10-01-2007, 18:45
Please may I have a link to this statement from Jez? If you'd be so kind.
Whitemouse as hit the nail on the Jez said there was not a bid for the club yesterday, but now there is a formal bid in writing things are a bit difference.
Whitemouse as hit the nail on the Jez said there was not a bid for the club yesterday, but now there is a formal bid in writing things are a bit difference.
RyanWolf
10-01-2007, 18:46
...
MobNet Wolf
10-01-2007, 18:46
Also, if this induces a bidding war, it means more money for the club which of course is a good thing.
Wivey Wolf
10-01-2007, 18:47
http://www.wolves.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/NewsDetail/0,,10307~962339,00.html
my pleasure
Jez said "It is not true that we are in negotiations with Graeme Souness or anyone connected with him."
That was the situation yesterday - when we weren't in negotiations with Souness. Nothing about what had happened previously, nor about what would happen in the future.
Try again....
my pleasure
Jez said "It is not true that we are in negotiations with Graeme Souness or anyone connected with him."
That was the situation yesterday - when we weren't in negotiations with Souness. Nothing about what had happened previously, nor about what would happen in the future.
Try again....
Big Mack
10-01-2007, 18:47
"Following my verbal offer, myself and partners - all of whom are UK born and based - have this evening made a written offer for Wolves which is being considered," said Souness in a statement.
"Both parties have agreed to keep details of these negotiations confidential."
Doesn't this last paragraph conflict somewhat with the first?! Cue a Jez denial again then.
"Both parties have agreed to keep details of these negotiations confidential."
Doesn't this last paragraph conflict somewhat with the first?! Cue a Jez denial again then.
The Weasel
10-01-2007, 18:48
This is quality news.
European football within 5 years anyone? ;)
Sure. So long as souness doent come in, sack MM and ruin the great progress we're making at the club, finally moving away from buying overpriced rejects out for one last payday....So long as any new owner doesnt want to meddle with team affairs/purchases/tactics I'm happy. I think Souness wouldnt be able to resist meddling, and ask any newcastle/blackburn/saints fan - that way, ruin lies.
European football within 5 years anyone? ;)
Sure. So long as souness doent come in, sack MM and ruin the great progress we're making at the club, finally moving away from buying overpriced rejects out for one last payday....So long as any new owner doesnt want to meddle with team affairs/purchases/tactics I'm happy. I think Souness wouldnt be able to resist meddling, and ask any newcastle/blackburn/saints fan - that way, ruin lies.
gaz kford
10-01-2007, 18:49
Also, if this induces a bidding war, it means more money for the club which of course is a good thing.
Give yourself a gold star mate, i said on the other Souness thread. ;)
Give yourself a gold star mate, i said on the other Souness thread. ;)
whitemouse75
10-01-2007, 18:49
Jez said "It is not true that we are in negotiations with Graeme Souness or anyone connected with him."
That was the situation yesterday - when we weren't in negotiations with Souness. Nothing about what had happened previously, nor about what would happen in the future.
Try again....
ok wivey if it makes you happy.
so a weeks worth of talks leading to a verbal bid are discounted, as are todays events, because they didnt happen at exactly the time that jez was interviewed?
grow up and stop trying to play word games, you're making yourself look silly.
That was the situation yesterday - when we weren't in negotiations with Souness. Nothing about what had happened previously, nor about what would happen in the future.
Try again....
ok wivey if it makes you happy.
so a weeks worth of talks leading to a verbal bid are discounted, as are todays events, because they didnt happen at exactly the time that jez was interviewed?
grow up and stop trying to play word games, you're making yourself look silly.
SBDJ
10-01-2007, 18:50
Nothing wrong with a pie reference, winds up the moxey apologists on here.
Only because the references are so astoundingly unfunny
Only because the references are so astoundingly unfunny
Wivey Wolf
10-01-2007, 18:50
"Following my verbal offer, myself and partners - all of whom are UK born and based - have this evening made a written offer for Wolves which is being considered," said Souness in a statement.
"Both parties have agreed to keep details of these negotiations confidential."
Doesn't this last paragraph conflict somewhat with the first?! Cue a Jez denial again then.
The clue is in the use of the word "details".
"Both parties have agreed to keep details of these negotiations confidential."
Doesn't this last paragraph conflict somewhat with the first?! Cue a Jez denial again then.
The clue is in the use of the word "details".
Ogerp
10-01-2007, 18:50
I don't doubt yesterday could have been handled better...by all concerned.
Mutchy I get the feeling that one of the concerned handled it a lot better than the other and used the press to his advantage.
I wonder if Max Clifford is his press agent.;)
Mutchy I get the feeling that one of the concerned handled it a lot better than the other and used the press to his advantage.
I wonder if Max Clifford is his press agent.;)
Wivey Wolf
10-01-2007, 18:52
ok wivey if it makes you happy.
so a weeks worth of talks leading to a verbal bid are discounted, as are todays events, because they didnt happen at exactly the time that jez was interviewed?
grow up and stop trying to play word games, you're making yourself look silly.
One of us is dealing in facts.
One of us is dealing in speculation.
Who needs to grow up more?
so a weeks worth of talks leading to a verbal bid are discounted, as are todays events, because they didnt happen at exactly the time that jez was interviewed?
grow up and stop trying to play word games, you're making yourself look silly.
One of us is dealing in facts.
One of us is dealing in speculation.
Who needs to grow up more?
SBDJ
10-01-2007, 18:52
Also, if this induces a bidding war, it means more money for the club which of course is a good thing.
Why ? Souness has already indicated that if he has to bid more it will mean less money for players. Throws some doubt over whether SJH is giving the club away for nothing.
Why ? Souness has already indicated that if he has to bid more it will mean less money for players. Throws some doubt over whether SJH is giving the club away for nothing.
Ogerp
10-01-2007, 18:52
Jez said "It is not true that we are in negotiations with Graeme Souness or anyone connected with him."
That was the situation yesterday - when we weren't in negotiations with Souness. Nothing about what had happened previously, nor about what would happen in the future.
Try again....
But that was a pedanatic type of statement from JM, I always thought him more astute with the press than that.
That was the situation yesterday - when we weren't in negotiations with Souness. Nothing about what had happened previously, nor about what would happen in the future.
Try again....
But that was a pedanatic type of statement from JM, I always thought him more astute with the press than that.
djackl
10-01-2007, 18:54
ok wivey if it makes you happy.
so a weeks worth of talks leading to a verbal bid are discounted, as are todays events, because they didnt happen at exactly the time that jez was interviewed?
grow up and stop trying to play word games, you're making yourself look silly.
I didn't think you'd struggle to comprehend this fact - When Moxey said what he said, we weren't in negotiations. Now it seems that we are today, so it is clear that Moxey was not lying when he gave his interview yesterday.
Everything else in the papers etc yesterday about him denying that Souness was approaching Wolves was just speculation.
Sometimes I think Moxey's greatest failing is overestimating the intelligence of some fans.
so a weeks worth of talks leading to a verbal bid are discounted, as are todays events, because they didnt happen at exactly the time that jez was interviewed?
grow up and stop trying to play word games, you're making yourself look silly.
I didn't think you'd struggle to comprehend this fact - When Moxey said what he said, we weren't in negotiations. Now it seems that we are today, so it is clear that Moxey was not lying when he gave his interview yesterday.
Everything else in the papers etc yesterday about him denying that Souness was approaching Wolves was just speculation.
Sometimes I think Moxey's greatest failing is overestimating the intelligence of some fans.
Wivey Wolf
10-01-2007, 18:55
But that was a pedanatic type of statement from JM, I always thought him more astute with the press than that.
Not really. The story that was plastered all over the Mirror was that Souness was in advanced negotiations to buy the club. That patently wasn't true and Jez denied it. Souness later went on to say that Jez had turned down the bid - thus showing the story to be wrong...
Not really. The story that was plastered all over the Mirror was that Souness was in advanced negotiations to buy the club. That patently wasn't true and Jez denied it. Souness later went on to say that Jez had turned down the bid - thus showing the story to be wrong...
whitemouse75
10-01-2007, 18:56
One of us is dealing in facts.
One of us is dealing in speculation.
Who needs to grow up more?
my "speculation" is that souness has said that he has made both a verbal and written offer to buy the club for £20m. Jez says that it never happened.
what facts are you dealing with?
One of us is dealing in speculation.
Who needs to grow up more?
my "speculation" is that souness has said that he has made both a verbal and written offer to buy the club for £20m. Jez says that it never happened.
what facts are you dealing with?
MobNet Wolf
10-01-2007, 18:56
Why ? Souness has already indicated that if he has to bid more it will mean less money for players. Throws some doubt over whether SJH is giving the club away for nothing.
When did he say that?
When did he say that?
gaz kford
10-01-2007, 18:57
When did he say that?
Yesterday I recall.
Yesterday I recall.
Mutchy
10-01-2007, 18:58
my "speculation" is that souness has said that he has made both a verbal and written offer to buy the club for £20m. Jez says that it never happened.
what facts are you dealing with?
Fair play.. Jez hasn't said anything about the written offer....you can't accuse him of denying that.
what facts are you dealing with?
Fair play.. Jez hasn't said anything about the written offer....you can't accuse him of denying that.
IrchyWolf
10-01-2007, 18:59
HERESY! How dare you question the Moxey-knockers!
(oooh that conjures up nasty images - wish I hadn't said that now....)
How does something that happens AFTER an event make someone a liar?
Easy. Blair - 45 mins claim - WAR - WMD not found. Spicing up of intell a la John Scarlett and HEY Waddayaknow - LIAR
(oooh that conjures up nasty images - wish I hadn't said that now....)
How does something that happens AFTER an event make someone a liar?
Easy. Blair - 45 mins claim - WAR - WMD not found. Spicing up of intell a la John Scarlett and HEY Waddayaknow - LIAR
duanepipe
10-01-2007, 18:59
I'm interested to know just what there is to gain by making the offer public. I know if I was trying to buy something I would want to get in, get the deal done and basically keep my mouth shut. I am genuinely intrigued to know what benefit Souness gets from doing things via the media (other than to make Moxed look like he was lying).
whitemouse75
10-01-2007, 18:59
I didn't think you'd struggle to comprehend this fact
why, you've never met me- When Moxey said what he said, we weren't in negotiations. Now it seems that we are today, so it is clear that Moxey was not lying when he gave his interview yesterday.
how convenient that we appeared to be in discussions for a week, which suddenly stopped at some point before jez's statement. And recommenced today.
Everything else in the papers etc yesterday about him denying that Souness was approaching Wolves was just speculation.was the statement on the official website speculation?
Sometimes I think Moxey's greatest failing is overestimating the intelligence of some fans. more fool him then, he's met enough of them to know better
why, you've never met me- When Moxey said what he said, we weren't in negotiations. Now it seems that we are today, so it is clear that Moxey was not lying when he gave his interview yesterday.
how convenient that we appeared to be in discussions for a week, which suddenly stopped at some point before jez's statement. And recommenced today.
Everything else in the papers etc yesterday about him denying that Souness was approaching Wolves was just speculation.was the statement on the official website speculation?
Sometimes I think Moxey's greatest failing is overestimating the intelligence of some fans. more fool him then, he's met enough of them to know better
OldWolvesfart
10-01-2007, 19:00
my "speculation" is that souness has said that he has made both a verbal and written offer to buy the club for £20m. Jez says that it never happened.
what facts are you dealing with?
But the written bid was only made today according to Sky.
So jez was right and what the hell was Souness expecting Wolves to do with a verbal bid of £20M, exactly what they did, laugh at it.
what facts are you dealing with?
But the written bid was only made today according to Sky.
So jez was right and what the hell was Souness expecting Wolves to do with a verbal bid of £20M, exactly what they did, laugh at it.
Wivey Wolf
10-01-2007, 19:00
my "speculation" is that souness has said that he has made both a verbal and written offer to buy the club for £20m. Jez says that it never happened.
what facts are you dealing with?
The fact that Jez has never said that Souness hasn't made an offer.
Surely that's simple enough to comprehend?
what facts are you dealing with?
The fact that Jez has never said that Souness hasn't made an offer.
Surely that's simple enough to comprehend?
whitemouse75
10-01-2007, 19:01
Fair play.. Jez hasn't said anything about the written offer....you can't accuse him of denying that.
i'm not accusing of anything, like i said before i have no feelings one way or another.
its pretty sad to see plebs like wivey drag himself from the ot forum to savagely defend even the most stupid of points on jez's behalf though
i'm not accusing of anything, like i said before i have no feelings one way or another.
its pretty sad to see plebs like wivey drag himself from the ot forum to savagely defend even the most stupid of points on jez's behalf though
whitemouse75
10-01-2007, 19:03
The fact that Jez has never said that Souness hasn't made an offer.
Surely that's simple enough to comprehend?
so up until today there was no negotiations at all apart from whether souness would pay for his match ticket following the chance meeting on a plane?
Surely that's simple enough to comprehend?
so up until today there was no negotiations at all apart from whether souness would pay for his match ticket following the chance meeting on a plane?
Wivey Wolf
10-01-2007, 19:04
Jez has now confirmed that a written offer has been received.
http://www.wolves.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/NewsDetail/0,,10307~963280,00.html
http://www.wolves.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/NewsDetail/0,,10307~963280,00.html
MobNet Wolf
10-01-2007, 19:04
Yesterday I recall.
I swear I have read all quotes made, and dont remember one where he said anything about less money for transfers.
And anyway, when I referred to bidding war, I was on the assumption that Sir Jack is giving the club away, and hence the bidding is for how much investment the club itself receives.
I swear I have read all quotes made, and dont remember one where he said anything about less money for transfers.
And anyway, when I referred to bidding war, I was on the assumption that Sir Jack is giving the club away, and hence the bidding is for how much investment the club itself receives.
Wivey Wolf
10-01-2007, 19:05
so up until today there was no negotiations at all apart from whether souness would pay for his match ticket following the chance meeting on a plane?
I don't know - and Jez hasn't commented on that...
I don't know - and Jez hasn't commented on that...
OldWolvesfart
10-01-2007, 19:06
"Following my verbal offer, myself and partners - all of whom are UK born and based - have this evening made a written offer for Wolves which is being considered," said Souness in a statement.
"Both parties have agreed to keep details of these negotiations confidential."
Dated today on Sky Sports.
Verbal offers should and will be ignored when £20m is involved.
"Both parties have agreed to keep details of these negotiations confidential."
Dated today on Sky Sports.
Verbal offers should and will be ignored when £20m is involved.
whitemouse75
10-01-2007, 19:06
Jez has now confirmed that a written offer has been received.
http://www.wolves.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/NewsDetail/0,,10307~963280,00.html
souness must have woken up this morning and thought, i know, i'll go and try to buy wolves.
my apologies wivey, you were right. nothing had occured before today, i was stupid to suggest a 20 million pounds purchase would require more than 12 hours thought and preperation.
http://www.wolves.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/NewsDetail/0,,10307~963280,00.html
souness must have woken up this morning and thought, i know, i'll go and try to buy wolves.
my apologies wivey, you were right. nothing had occured before today, i was stupid to suggest a 20 million pounds purchase would require more than 12 hours thought and preperation.
Wivey Wolf
10-01-2007, 19:08
i'm not accusing of anything, like i said before i have no feelings one way or another.
its pretty sad to see plebs like wivey drag himself from the ot forum to savagely defend even the most stupid of points on jez's behalf though
At last - now you've thrown an insult, I feel totally justified in patronising you for being so slow on the uptake...
its pretty sad to see plebs like wivey drag himself from the ot forum to savagely defend even the most stupid of points on jez's behalf though
At last - now you've thrown an insult, I feel totally justified in patronising you for being so slow on the uptake...
Fickleasfolk
10-01-2007, 19:08
But the written bid was only made today according to Sky.
So jez was right and what the hell was Souness expecting Wolves to do with a verbal bid of £20M, exactly what they did, laugh at it.
If Souness made a verbal offer of £20m in principle why did Wolves say no outright?No further discussions,no meetings etc etc.So wolves laughed off an offer of the asking price 20m?Now why would they do that?
If the offer is the 20m asking price,if there are no hidden "extras" involved in the sale,then i cannot see a logical reason for it not to go through.
So jez was right and what the hell was Souness expecting Wolves to do with a verbal bid of £20M, exactly what they did, laugh at it.
If Souness made a verbal offer of £20m in principle why did Wolves say no outright?No further discussions,no meetings etc etc.So wolves laughed off an offer of the asking price 20m?Now why would they do that?
If the offer is the 20m asking price,if there are no hidden "extras" involved in the sale,then i cannot see a logical reason for it not to go through.
whitemouse75
10-01-2007, 19:09
I don't know - and Jez hasn't commented on that...
which part of " it is not true that we are in negotiations with souness or anyone connected with him" do you not understand?
i appreciate that you feel the need to defend jez's honour against those on here that dont like the guy, but i cant help feeling you've decided just to try and argue semantics for the sake of it
which part of " it is not true that we are in negotiations with souness or anyone connected with him" do you not understand?
i appreciate that you feel the need to defend jez's honour against those on here that dont like the guy, but i cant help feeling you've decided just to try and argue semantics for the sake of it
Wivey Wolf
10-01-2007, 19:09
souness must have woken up this morning and thought, i know, i'll go and try to buy wolves.
my apologies wivey, you were right. nothing had occured before today, i was stupid to suggest a 20 million pounds purchase would require more than 12 hours thought and preperation.
Try and keep up. Nobody has said that except you....
my apologies wivey, you were right. nothing had occured before today, i was stupid to suggest a 20 million pounds purchase would require more than 12 hours thought and preperation.
Try and keep up. Nobody has said that except you....
Mutchy
10-01-2007, 19:09
Confidentiality agreements weren't signed until today... how far would any discussions really have gone without that being in place?
Wivey Wolf
10-01-2007, 19:10
which part of " it is not true that we are in negotiations with souness or anyone connected with him" do you not understand?
i appreciate that you feel the need to defend jez's honour against those on here that dont like the guy, but i cant help feeling you've decided just to try and argue semantics for the sake of it
Which part of "are" is difficult? It's three letters long - even you can work that out...
i appreciate that you feel the need to defend jez's honour against those on here that dont like the guy, but i cant help feeling you've decided just to try and argue semantics for the sake of it
Which part of "are" is difficult? It's three letters long - even you can work that out...
whitemouse75
10-01-2007, 19:10
far enough for a consortium to offer 20 million pounds?
Wivey Wolf
10-01-2007, 19:11
If Souness made a verbal offer of £20m in principle why did Wolves say no outright?No further discussions,no meetings etc etc.So wolves laughed off an offer of the asking price 20m?Now why would they do that?
If the offer is the 20m asking price,if there are no hidden "extras" involved in the sale,then i cannot see a logical reason for it not to go through.
Speculation. Nobody has said that. FACT.
If the offer is the 20m asking price,if there are no hidden "extras" involved in the sale,then i cannot see a logical reason for it not to go through.
Speculation. Nobody has said that. FACT.
Ogerp
10-01-2007, 19:12
Well that's two players at the table GS and JM.
Fax machines will be getting hot sending copies of the cards dealt to the cruise liner. Hope there are no football supporters on the liner who will leak it to the press.
Fax machines will be getting hot sending copies of the cards dealt to the cruise liner. Hope there are no football supporters on the liner who will leak it to the press.
Eddie the Adventurer
10-01-2007, 19:12
Wivey, I'm reading this from afar, and I can confirm you are making a prat of yourself. Have you lost your marbles?
OldWolvesfart
10-01-2007, 19:13
If Souness made a verbal offer of £20m in principle why did Wolves say no outright?No further discussions,no meetings etc etc.So wolves laughed off an offer of the asking price 20m?Now why would they do that?
If the offer is the 20m asking price,if there are no hidden "extras" involved in the sale,then i cannot see a logical reason for it not to go through.
A couple of papers described Souness as unpredictable and volatile would you except a verbal, without full conditions, offer from him.
Now they have it in writing the serious negotiations can start.
If the offer is the 20m asking price,if there are no hidden "extras" involved in the sale,then i cannot see a logical reason for it not to go through.
A couple of papers described Souness as unpredictable and volatile would you except a verbal, without full conditions, offer from him.
Now they have it in writing the serious negotiations can start.
whitemouse75
10-01-2007, 19:14
thanks eddie, i was starting to think i'd slept through a whole day and missed something.
Wivey Wolf
10-01-2007, 19:14
Wivey, I'm reading this from afar, and I can confirm you are making a prat of yourself. Have you lost your marbles?
Please explain - dealing solely in facts - why you feel I'm being a prat and have lost my marbles?
Please explain - dealing solely in facts - why you feel I'm being a prat and have lost my marbles?
whitemouse75
10-01-2007, 19:15
Speculation. Nobody has said that. FACT.
"I have offered to buy the Wolves for £20million," Souness told the Express & Star. "I don't know why Jez Moxey is saying these things.
"I have had several telephone conversations with Sir Jack Hayward and I have spoken as well with Jez Moxey.
"And last week I made an offer, subject to an examination of the club's books and accounts, of £20million which is the figure Sir Jack had publicly declared he was looking for. "I was told 'no' by Jez Moxey"
"I have offered to buy the Wolves for £20million," Souness told the Express & Star. "I don't know why Jez Moxey is saying these things.
"I have had several telephone conversations with Sir Jack Hayward and I have spoken as well with Jez Moxey.
"And last week I made an offer, subject to an examination of the club's books and accounts, of £20million which is the figure Sir Jack had publicly declared he was looking for. "I was told 'no' by Jez Moxey"
Ogerp
10-01-2007, 19:15
Please explain - dealing solely in facts - why you feel I'm being a prat and have lost my marbles?
If you have to ask you can't afford it!;)
If you have to ask you can't afford it!;)
djackl
10-01-2007, 19:16
which part of " it is not true that we are in negotiations with souness or anyone connected with him" do you not understand?
I could ask you the very same question. Formal negotiations have begun today, and that has been confirmed by Moxey. Perhaps before today Souness had made a verbal offer, but when 20m is concerned, you don't go into negotiation until an offer has been made in writing.
What did you expect, Moxey and Souness to decide the price during their lunch break over a pie?
Seems to me that you have been proven to be catastrophically incorrect, and are now foolishly trying to extact yourself with a shred of dignity. The best of us (including me, just ask Wivey :)) know when to admit that they have been wrong.
I could ask you the very same question. Formal negotiations have begun today, and that has been confirmed by Moxey. Perhaps before today Souness had made a verbal offer, but when 20m is concerned, you don't go into negotiation until an offer has been made in writing.
What did you expect, Moxey and Souness to decide the price during their lunch break over a pie?
Seems to me that you have been proven to be catastrophically incorrect, and are now foolishly trying to extact yourself with a shred of dignity. The best of us (including me, just ask Wivey :)) know when to admit that they have been wrong.
BlahBlah
10-01-2007, 19:17
far enough for a consortium to offer 20 million pounds?
It's simple business negotiation and common practice Whitemouse, it's not like buying a secong hand car..
You talk to them, gauge interest, then decide whether to make an offer.
If you make an offer, you do it writing or it's laughed at...ie NOT AN OFFER.
Wolves played hardball and have forced his hand. Souness has now had to publicly show he's not a timewaster, so only NOW will proper negotiations will start.
Basically, what Moxey said yesterday was "STOP $$$$ING AROUND AND SHOW US YOUR MONEY". It did the trick.
It's simple business negotiation and common practice Whitemouse, it's not like buying a secong hand car..
You talk to them, gauge interest, then decide whether to make an offer.
If you make an offer, you do it writing or it's laughed at...ie NOT AN OFFER.
Wolves played hardball and have forced his hand. Souness has now had to publicly show he's not a timewaster, so only NOW will proper negotiations will start.
Basically, what Moxey said yesterday was "STOP $$$$ING AROUND AND SHOW US YOUR MONEY". It did the trick.
whitemouse75
10-01-2007, 19:19
I could ask you the very same question. Formal negotiations have begun today, and that has been confirmed by Moxey. Perhaps before today Souness had made a verbal offer, but when 20m is concerned, you don't go into negotiation until an offer has been made in writing.
What did you expect, Moxey and Souness to decide the price during their lunch break over a pie?
and likewise you dont just randomly offer £20 million. GS states that he has been in regular communication with the owner and ceo.
What did you expect, Moxey and Souness to decide the price during their lunch break over a pie?
and likewise you dont just randomly offer £20 million. GS states that he has been in regular communication with the owner and ceo.
MobNet Wolf
10-01-2007, 19:20
I could ask you the very same question. Formal negotiations have begun today, and that has been confirmed by Moxey. Perhaps before today Souness had made a verbal offer, but when 20m is concerned, you don't go into negotiation until an offer has been made in writing.
What did you expect, Moxey and Souness to decide the price during their lunch break over a pie?
Seems to me that you have been proven to be catastrophically incorrect, and are now foolishly trying to extact yourself with a shred of dignity. The best of us (including me, just ask Wivey :)) know when to admit that they have been wrong.
Oh no he didnt.
Man got told star.
What did you expect, Moxey and Souness to decide the price during their lunch break over a pie?
Seems to me that you have been proven to be catastrophically incorrect, and are now foolishly trying to extact yourself with a shred of dignity. The best of us (including me, just ask Wivey :)) know when to admit that they have been wrong.
Oh no he didnt.
Man got told star.
whitemouse75
10-01-2007, 19:20
Seems to me that you have been proven to be catastrophically incorrect, and are now foolishly trying to extact yourself with a shred of dignity. The best of us (including me, just ask Wivey :)) know when to admit that they have been wrong.
been proven catastrophically incorrect how?
been proven catastrophically incorrect how?
welshwolf
10-01-2007, 19:21
Please explain - dealing solely in facts - why you feel I'm being a prat and have lost my marbles?
because you seem hell bent on spoiling a thread and winning an argument with whitemouse when it is not that important
because you seem hell bent on spoiling a thread and winning an argument with whitemouse when it is not that important
Wivey Wolf
10-01-2007, 19:21
"I have offered to buy the Wolves for £20million," Souness told the Express & Star. "I don't know why Jez Moxey is saying these things.
"I have had several telephone conversations with Sir Jack Hayward and I have spoken as well with Jez Moxey.
"And last week I made an offer, subject to an examination of the club's books and accounts, of £20million which is the figure Sir Jack had publicly declared he was looking for. "I was told 'no' by Jez Moxey"
Which is significantly different to what Ficklefolk said:
"If Souness made a verbal offer of £20m in principle why did Wolves say no outright?No further discussions,no meetings etc etc.So wolves laughed off an offer of the asking price 20m?Now why would they do that?"
Souness claims to have had several conversations with both Jez and Sir Jack. Hardly "saying no outright" or "no further discussions" or "laughing off"...
"I have had several telephone conversations with Sir Jack Hayward and I have spoken as well with Jez Moxey.
"And last week I made an offer, subject to an examination of the club's books and accounts, of £20million which is the figure Sir Jack had publicly declared he was looking for. "I was told 'no' by Jez Moxey"
Which is significantly different to what Ficklefolk said:
"If Souness made a verbal offer of £20m in principle why did Wolves say no outright?No further discussions,no meetings etc etc.So wolves laughed off an offer of the asking price 20m?Now why would they do that?"
Souness claims to have had several conversations with both Jez and Sir Jack. Hardly "saying no outright" or "no further discussions" or "laughing off"...
whitemouse75
10-01-2007, 19:22
It's simple business negotiation and common practice Whitemouse, it's not like buying a secong hand car..
You talk to them, gauge interest, then decide whether to make an offer.
If you make an offer, you do it writing or it's laughed at...ie NOT AN OFFER.
Wolves played hardball and have forced his hand. Souness has now had to publicly show he's not a timewaster, so only NOW will proper negotiations will start.
Basically, what Moxey said yesterday was "STOP $$$$ING AROUND AND SHOW US YOUR MONEY". It did the trick.
what experience of football club takeovers do you have? wolves havent played hardball and forced anyone's hand.
You talk to them, gauge interest, then decide whether to make an offer.
If you make an offer, you do it writing or it's laughed at...ie NOT AN OFFER.
Wolves played hardball and have forced his hand. Souness has now had to publicly show he's not a timewaster, so only NOW will proper negotiations will start.
Basically, what Moxey said yesterday was "STOP $$$$ING AROUND AND SHOW US YOUR MONEY". It did the trick.
what experience of football club takeovers do you have? wolves havent played hardball and forced anyone's hand.
whitemouse75
10-01-2007, 19:23
Souness claims to have had several conversations with both Jez and Sir Jack. Hardly "saying no outright" or "no further discussions" or "laughing off"...
"i was told no by jez moxey"
"i was told no by jez moxey"
Wivey Wolf
10-01-2007, 19:28
"i was told no by jez moxey"
And?
And?
whitemouse75
10-01-2007, 19:29
because you seem hell bent on spoiling a thread and winning an argument with whitemouse when it is not that important
a very stupid argument which boils down to me saying that jez's statement now looks stupid and wivey being personally offended by a slight on the great mans name
a very stupid argument which boils down to me saying that jez's statement now looks stupid and wivey being personally offended by a slight on the great mans name
Stewarton Wolf
10-01-2007, 19:31
Club Statement
Statement from Wolves Chief Executive Jez Moxey.
"I can confirm that following the signing of confidentiality agreements this evening, we have now received a formal written offer for the Club on behalf of Graeme Souness and others. Both parties have agreed not to make any further public comments."
It must be serious
Statement from Wolves Chief Executive Jez Moxey.
"I can confirm that following the signing of confidentiality agreements this evening, we have now received a formal written offer for the Club on behalf of Graeme Souness and others. Both parties have agreed not to make any further public comments."
It must be serious
whitemouse75
10-01-2007, 19:31
And?
$$$$ me are you retarded?
$$$$ me are you retarded?
Wivey Wolf
10-01-2007, 19:31
I have to relinquish the computer now because my daughter needs it to do homework. Before I go, I thought it would be useful to reiterate the facts:
1) Yesterday morning, the Daily Mirror carried a three page spread claiming that Souness was in advanced negotiations to buy the Wolves. The journalist involved did not verify the story with the club.
2) Jez issued a statement through the club website (link from whitemouse above) stating that the club are not in negotiations with Souness or anyone involved with him.
3) Souness stated that he had made a bid, subject to seeing the accounts etc, but that this had been turned down by Jez.
4) When Jez was asked whether the club had received an offer he neither denied nor confirmed that it had, but stated that the club did not do its business in public.
5) Souness has now made a written bid, having signed confidentiality clauses.
6) Moxey has confirmed receipt of that bid.
Therefore:
Moxey was not lying when he said that we were not in negotiations with Souness; and
Souness could not be in advanced negotiations to buy the club (as the Mirror story claimed) because, as Souness himself claimed, his bid had already been turned down. Moxey neither confirmed nor denied this.
1) Yesterday morning, the Daily Mirror carried a three page spread claiming that Souness was in advanced negotiations to buy the Wolves. The journalist involved did not verify the story with the club.
2) Jez issued a statement through the club website (link from whitemouse above) stating that the club are not in negotiations with Souness or anyone involved with him.
3) Souness stated that he had made a bid, subject to seeing the accounts etc, but that this had been turned down by Jez.
4) When Jez was asked whether the club had received an offer he neither denied nor confirmed that it had, but stated that the club did not do its business in public.
5) Souness has now made a written bid, having signed confidentiality clauses.
6) Moxey has confirmed receipt of that bid.
Therefore:
Moxey was not lying when he said that we were not in negotiations with Souness; and
Souness could not be in advanced negotiations to buy the club (as the Mirror story claimed) because, as Souness himself claimed, his bid had already been turned down. Moxey neither confirmed nor denied this.
Wivey Wolf
10-01-2007, 19:33
$$$$ me are you retarded?
No - but you appear to be very slow on the uptake. Read the above post and try to understand it. I'll be testing you later...
No - but you appear to be very slow on the uptake. Read the above post and try to understand it. I'll be testing you later...
MobNet Wolf
10-01-2007, 19:34
Right then, with the conclusion of the above argument, the rest of us can have our thread back. :rolleyes:
glasgowwolf
10-01-2007, 19:38
If I remember rightly.... jez said
"We are not in negotiations with Graeme Souness or any one connected to him.
So Jez Was not lying, for those of you who are unable to read Wolves were not in discussions yesterday.
What had possibly happened is this.
Souness speaks to SJH several times, I would suggest this is normal, Souness would want to know the finer details the requirements for the sale to be completed, he would want to know as much information as possible.
Last week he spoke to his backer told him of the details, he was given the go ahead to speka to Moxey , he spoke to Moxey made a verbal offer which was rejected for what ever reason, it could have been because they did not know how serious he was.
Souness Leaked it to a friend in the press, he wrote the article, Moxey made the statement yesterday, which was true, they were not at that time negotiating with Souness, they held informal talks, followed by an informal bid which was turned down.
Souness has gained credibility, knowledge, etc, he now comes back with a written offer, and has agreed to keep details confidential.
It now seems the next we know will be if / when Souness takes over. I hope the current board members are kept on they are Wolves fans, and will protect the club.
It is an inetresting time. I would have thought Souness would have wanted to be in charge by the 1st Jan, so he was in a position to affect the purchases.
Souness has stated he rates MM and will keep him as manager, however given MM's Prem track record will Souness sack him before bringing in a new manager one who can keep us up.
Does this mean
a. No money will be spent now, as MM will wait and see, before raising his sights
b. Hayward and Moxey will pull the plug on deals, not want to spend any money on a club where they will not be in charge
c Souness will ask MM to wait til the close season before making signings.
A question from me
WHAT IS IN IT FOR SOUNESS. Has he finished managing? Does he want to manage again ? Are we his way of becoming a manager ?
Has he realised he is a poor manager and wants to get back in the game so will act as director of football on the board ?
I would not be to eager to welcome him BETTER THE DEVIL YOU KNOW THAN THE DEVIL YOU DON'T.
It is not like he is a fan of Wolves !!!!!
"We are not in negotiations with Graeme Souness or any one connected to him.
So Jez Was not lying, for those of you who are unable to read Wolves were not in discussions yesterday.
What had possibly happened is this.
Souness speaks to SJH several times, I would suggest this is normal, Souness would want to know the finer details the requirements for the sale to be completed, he would want to know as much information as possible.
Last week he spoke to his backer told him of the details, he was given the go ahead to speka to Moxey , he spoke to Moxey made a verbal offer which was rejected for what ever reason, it could have been because they did not know how serious he was.
Souness Leaked it to a friend in the press, he wrote the article, Moxey made the statement yesterday, which was true, they were not at that time negotiating with Souness, they held informal talks, followed by an informal bid which was turned down.
Souness has gained credibility, knowledge, etc, he now comes back with a written offer, and has agreed to keep details confidential.
It now seems the next we know will be if / when Souness takes over. I hope the current board members are kept on they are Wolves fans, and will protect the club.
It is an inetresting time. I would have thought Souness would have wanted to be in charge by the 1st Jan, so he was in a position to affect the purchases.
Souness has stated he rates MM and will keep him as manager, however given MM's Prem track record will Souness sack him before bringing in a new manager one who can keep us up.
Does this mean
a. No money will be spent now, as MM will wait and see, before raising his sights
b. Hayward and Moxey will pull the plug on deals, not want to spend any money on a club where they will not be in charge
c Souness will ask MM to wait til the close season before making signings.
A question from me
WHAT IS IN IT FOR SOUNESS. Has he finished managing? Does he want to manage again ? Are we his way of becoming a manager ?
Has he realised he is a poor manager and wants to get back in the game so will act as director of football on the board ?
I would not be to eager to welcome him BETTER THE DEVIL YOU KNOW THAN THE DEVIL YOU DON'T.
It is not like he is a fan of Wolves !!!!!
The Weasel
10-01-2007, 19:43
Finally. Some sanity. Well said Glasgow (and Wivey all along for that matter)!
Fickleasfolk
10-01-2007, 20:28
Speculation. Nobody has said that. FACT.
Hence the word "IF" :rolleyes:
Hence the word "IF" :rolleyes:
Fickleasfolk
10-01-2007, 20:34
A couple of papers described Souness as unpredictable and volatile would you except a verbal, without full conditions, offer from him.
Now they have it in writing the serious negotiations can start.
Again....If he did make an enquiry and made it clear he would like to purchase Wolves for the agreed price,why would wolves say "no" outright?Wouldn't they have insisted on meetings and been eager to follow it up?
Now they have it in writing the serious negotiations can start.
Again....If he did make an enquiry and made it clear he would like to purchase Wolves for the agreed price,why would wolves say "no" outright?Wouldn't they have insisted on meetings and been eager to follow it up?
JJ82
10-01-2007, 20:38
Club Statement
Statement from Wolves Chief Executive Jez Moxey.
"I can confirm that following the signing of confidentiality agreements this evening, we have now received a formal written offer for the Club on behalf of Graeme Souness and others. Both parties have agreed not to make any further public comments."
Statement from Wolves Chief Executive Jez Moxey.
"I can confirm that following the signing of confidentiality agreements this evening, we have now received a formal written offer for the Club on behalf of Graeme Souness and others. Both parties have agreed not to make any further public comments."
MobNet Wolf
10-01-2007, 20:41
Club Statement
Statement from Wolves Chief Executive Jez Moxey.
"I can confirm that following the signing of confidentiality agreements this evening, we have now received a formal written offer for the Club on behalf of Graeme Souness and others. Both parties have agreed not to make any further public comments."
$$$$$ when was that released?;):rolleyes:
Statement from Wolves Chief Executive Jez Moxey.
"I can confirm that following the signing of confidentiality agreements this evening, we have now received a formal written offer for the Club on behalf of Graeme Souness and others. Both parties have agreed not to make any further public comments."
$$$$$ when was that released?;):rolleyes:
W01ves
10-01-2007, 20:46
Confidentiality agreements weren't signed until today... how far would any discussions really have gone without that being in place?
I was thinking much the same thing... It looks like Moxey wasn't going to admit to anything in the media until a Confidentiality Agreement had been signed.
I'm certainly not a SJH or Moxey knocker but they do like to keep their dealings and personel quiet don't they!
I was thinking much the same thing... It looks like Moxey wasn't going to admit to anything in the media until a Confidentiality Agreement had been signed.
I'm certainly not a SJH or Moxey knocker but they do like to keep their dealings and personel quiet don't they!
W01ves
10-01-2007, 20:52
A question from me
WHAT IS IN IT FOR SOUNESS. Has he finished managing? Does he want to manage again ? Are we his way of becoming a manager ?
Has he realised he is a poor manager and wants to get back in the game so will act as director of football on the board ?
The ridiculous amount of Sky money available for promotion just for this season? That's why his backers are interested...
Make of that what you will!
WHAT IS IN IT FOR SOUNESS. Has he finished managing? Does he want to manage again ? Are we his way of becoming a manager ?
Has he realised he is a poor manager and wants to get back in the game so will act as director of football on the board ?
The ridiculous amount of Sky money available for promotion just for this season? That's why his backers are interested...
Make of that what you will!
UEAwolf
10-01-2007, 20:53
I have to relinquish the computer now because my daughter needs it to do homework. Before I go, I thought it would be useful to reiterate the facts:
1) Yesterday morning, the Daily Mirror carried a three page spread claiming that Souness was in advanced negotiations to buy the Wolves. The journalist involved did not verify the story with the club.
2) Jez issued a statement through the club website (link from whitemouse above) stating that the club are not in negotiations with Souness or anyone involved with him.
3) Souness stated that he had made a bid, subject to seeing the accounts etc, but that this had been turned down by Jez.
4) When Jez was asked whether the club had received an offer he neither denied nor confirmed that it had, but stated that the club did not do its business in public.
5) Souness has now made a written bid, having signed confidentiality clauses.
6) Moxey has confirmed receipt of that bid.
Therefore:
Moxey was not lying when he said that we were not in negotiations with Souness; and
Souness could not be in advanced negotiations to buy the club (as the Mirror story claimed) because, as Souness himself claimed, his bid had already been turned down. Moxey neither confirmed nor denied this.
Spot on WW
1) Yesterday morning, the Daily Mirror carried a three page spread claiming that Souness was in advanced negotiations to buy the Wolves. The journalist involved did not verify the story with the club.
2) Jez issued a statement through the club website (link from whitemouse above) stating that the club are not in negotiations with Souness or anyone involved with him.
3) Souness stated that he had made a bid, subject to seeing the accounts etc, but that this had been turned down by Jez.
4) When Jez was asked whether the club had received an offer he neither denied nor confirmed that it had, but stated that the club did not do its business in public.
5) Souness has now made a written bid, having signed confidentiality clauses.
6) Moxey has confirmed receipt of that bid.
Therefore:
Moxey was not lying when he said that we were not in negotiations with Souness; and
Souness could not be in advanced negotiations to buy the club (as the Mirror story claimed) because, as Souness himself claimed, his bid had already been turned down. Moxey neither confirmed nor denied this.
Spot on WW
W01ves
10-01-2007, 20:54
I have to relinquish the computer now because my daughter needs it to do homework. Before I go, I thought it would be useful to reiterate the facts:
1) Yesterday morning, the Daily Mirror carried a three page spread claiming that Souness was in advanced negotiations to buy the Wolves. The journalist involved did not verify the story with the club.
2) Jez issued a statement through the club website (link from whitemouse above) stating that the club are not in negotiations with Souness or anyone involved with him.
3) Souness stated that he had made a bid, subject to seeing the accounts etc, but that this had been turned down by Jez.
4) When Jez was asked whether the club had received an offer he neither denied nor confirmed that it had, but stated that the club did not do its business in public.
5) Souness has now made a written bid, having signed confidentiality clauses.
6) Moxey has confirmed receipt of that bid.
Therefore:
Moxey was not lying when he said that we were not in negotiations with Souness; and
Souness could not be in advanced negotiations to buy the club (as the Mirror story claimed) because, as Souness himself claimed, his bid had already been turned down. Moxey neither confirmed nor denied this.
Seconded...
1) Yesterday morning, the Daily Mirror carried a three page spread claiming that Souness was in advanced negotiations to buy the Wolves. The journalist involved did not verify the story with the club.
2) Jez issued a statement through the club website (link from whitemouse above) stating that the club are not in negotiations with Souness or anyone involved with him.
3) Souness stated that he had made a bid, subject to seeing the accounts etc, but that this had been turned down by Jez.
4) When Jez was asked whether the club had received an offer he neither denied nor confirmed that it had, but stated that the club did not do its business in public.
5) Souness has now made a written bid, having signed confidentiality clauses.
6) Moxey has confirmed receipt of that bid.
Therefore:
Moxey was not lying when he said that we were not in negotiations with Souness; and
Souness could not be in advanced negotiations to buy the club (as the Mirror story claimed) because, as Souness himself claimed, his bid had already been turned down. Moxey neither confirmed nor denied this.
Seconded...
Uncle Festa
10-01-2007, 20:58
Cause they do. Souness hasn't seen the accounts yet. When he realises how much Jack is taking out the club he'll be shot if he lets the cat out the bag ;)
wolvesinwales
10-01-2007, 21:06
Not sure if this has been mentioned on any other thread but i have made the effort to trudge through this one before posting this from todays Telegraph :
I Graeme Souness' plan had been to force the door to Molineux open by making public his £20 million bid for Wolverhampton Wanderers then it was one that has spectacularly backfired.
As The Daily Telegraph revealed back on Dec 7, the former Liverpool and Newcastle manager has been seeking for some time to move from the dug-out to the boardroom by fronting a takeover approach for one of the country's biggest teams.
At that point he was working with the Israeli agent Pini Zahavi who, having failed to raise money through a stock market flotation,
was trying to find up to £100 million through a private placement.
To that end Zahavi had arranged meetings with possible investors in America in the next few weeks to discuss a move for a club, with Wolves at the top of their hit list.
However, unbeknown to Zahavi, Souness decided to go it alone and, having found an as yet unidentified backer, opened talks with the club's chief executive, Jez Moxey.
I Graeme Souness' plan had been to force the door to Molineux open by making public his £20 million bid for Wolverhampton Wanderers then it was one that has spectacularly backfired.
As The Daily Telegraph revealed back on Dec 7, the former Liverpool and Newcastle manager has been seeking for some time to move from the dug-out to the boardroom by fronting a takeover approach for one of the country's biggest teams.
At that point he was working with the Israeli agent Pini Zahavi who, having failed to raise money through a stock market flotation,
was trying to find up to £100 million through a private placement.
To that end Zahavi had arranged meetings with possible investors in America in the next few weeks to discuss a move for a club, with Wolves at the top of their hit list.
However, unbeknown to Zahavi, Souness decided to go it alone and, having found an as yet unidentified backer, opened talks with the club's chief executive, Jez Moxey.
SBDJ
10-01-2007, 21:22
I swear I have read all quotes made, and dont remember one where he said anything about less money for transfers.
In today's Daily Mail - so possibly take with a pinch of salt.
In today's Daily Mail - so possibly take with a pinch of salt.
BlahBlah
10-01-2007, 21:38
what experience of football club takeovers do you have? wolves havent played hardball and forced anyone's hand.
About as much as you, by the sounds of it. Though you're probably better on fantasy football. ;)
I would suggest they have. Well done Jez Moxey.
About as much as you, by the sounds of it. Though you're probably better on fantasy football. ;)
I would suggest they have. Well done Jez Moxey.
East Bay Ray
10-01-2007, 21:47
How does something that happens AFTER an event make someone a liar?
I'll grant you that doesn't make someone a liar.
That is down to his genetic make-up and his moral attitude.
I'll grant you that doesn't make someone a liar.
That is down to his genetic make-up and his moral attitude.
wolfyjoe
10-01-2007, 22:09
$$$$ me are you retarded?
Surely, have you left any pie jokes around the place recently because you're getting hacked at here, you must have offended wivey! :)
Surely, have you left any pie jokes around the place recently because you're getting hacked at here, you must have offended wivey! :)
Hatch End Wolf
10-01-2007, 22:16
More pie jokes please.
306NOTOUT
10-01-2007, 22:26
At least now he has put in a formal offer in writing he may get to look at the books. Has Hayward been taking money out of the club? I cant see GS being the sort of bloke who would keep quiet if he has.
It is also likely to speed things along with possible other purchasers. The E&S says tonight that another 2 investors are looking at the situation. So getting this sorted before the end of the month is not unrealistic.
Unless JM decides to hold onto for a while to get an extra months money. Will be interesting to see what the atmosphere is like at Stoke on Sat
It is also likely to speed things along with possible other purchasers. The E&S says tonight that another 2 investors are looking at the situation. So getting this sorted before the end of the month is not unrealistic.
Unless JM decides to hold onto for a while to get an extra months money. Will be interesting to see what the atmosphere is like at Stoke on Sat
Big Mack
10-01-2007, 22:36
As The Daily Telegraph revealed back on Dec 7, the former Liverpool and Newcastle manager has been seeking for some time to move from the dug-out to the boardroom by fronting a takeover approach for one of the country's biggest teams.
Begs the question as to when exactly Souness became interested in Wolves. Reports seem to concur that he met Moxey on a flight from Florida post Christmas and was an invited VIP at the Barnsley game.
Was this really merely an out-of-the-blue occurence which triggered Souness's interest in the club? Did Moxey drop into the conversation Wolves' availablity. Either way, he has turned his attention to Wolves and made a bid within ten days which isn't bad going.
I'd have loved to have been a fly on the wall of that aeroplane.
Begs the question as to when exactly Souness became interested in Wolves. Reports seem to concur that he met Moxey on a flight from Florida post Christmas and was an invited VIP at the Barnsley game.
Was this really merely an out-of-the-blue occurence which triggered Souness's interest in the club? Did Moxey drop into the conversation Wolves' availablity. Either way, he has turned his attention to Wolves and made a bid within ten days which isn't bad going.
I'd have loved to have been a fly on the wall of that aeroplane.
John
10-01-2007, 22:36
THis has to be the most pathetic thread so far regarding Souness. Why Jez chose not to be open and honest I don't know, but he had nothing to lose being honest and has done himself no favours. No comment is what I would have expected from someone suposedly so intelligent.
Back to the thread topic, well done Graeme. Thank god.
Back to the thread topic, well done Graeme. Thank god.
John
10-01-2007, 22:39
It is not like he is a fan of Wolves !!!!!
Thank God, the last one of those we had has been a $$$$ owner. THe best two clubs in the country manage quite well without a fan as an owner
Thank God, the last one of those we had has been a $$$$ owner. THe best two clubs in the country manage quite well without a fan as an owner
nuno
10-01-2007, 22:53
Jez said "It is not true that we are in negotiations with Graeme Souness or anyone connected with him."
That was the situation yesterday - when we weren't in negotiations with Souness. Nothing about what had happened previously, nor about what would happen in the future.
Try again....
They were obviously in negotiations unofficially but now in cuckoo land it's 'official' because it's a written offer? Is this what you're trying to say?
You can twist it whichever way you like, although in reality Moxey could and should have handled it more truthfully. He now just looks like a liar from the quotes in the mirror and his interviews on the news. Not everyone takes everything as literally as you. Most people are able to read between the lines.
That was the situation yesterday - when we weren't in negotiations with Souness. Nothing about what had happened previously, nor about what would happen in the future.
Try again....
They were obviously in negotiations unofficially but now in cuckoo land it's 'official' because it's a written offer? Is this what you're trying to say?
You can twist it whichever way you like, although in reality Moxey could and should have handled it more truthfully. He now just looks like a liar from the quotes in the mirror and his interviews on the news. Not everyone takes everything as literally as you. Most people are able to read between the lines.
HazelGroveWolf
10-01-2007, 23:30
THis has to be the most pathetic thread so far regarding Souness. Why Jez chose not to be open and honest I don't know, but he had nothing to lose being honest and has done himself no favours. No comment is what I would have expected from someone suposedly so intelligent.
Back to the thread topic, well done Graeme. Thank god.
I don't have a problem with any individual or organisation taking ownership of Wolverhampton Wanderers provided the possible forthcoming board (of control) has the interests of the supporters and "club" status in their sights.
That said confidentiality is paramount. Vociferous, uncouth and ill-informed campaigning against the Haywards and Moxey is IMV out of order. If a take-over occurs then I for one will wish the Haywards well.
Anyone with any sense would retain Moxey.
Back to the thread topic, well done Graeme. Thank god.
I don't have a problem with any individual or organisation taking ownership of Wolverhampton Wanderers provided the possible forthcoming board (of control) has the interests of the supporters and "club" status in their sights.
That said confidentiality is paramount. Vociferous, uncouth and ill-informed campaigning against the Haywards and Moxey is IMV out of order. If a take-over occurs then I for one will wish the Haywards well.
Anyone with any sense would retain Moxey.
wolf of sedgley
10-01-2007, 23:34
I'd keep Moxey as well.
Black Suit
10-01-2007, 23:35
Jez will win either way. Stay on or be paid off, personally I think he deserves very little, but I will be glad to see the back of him.
I know some of you respect the man, and along with you I will be concerned for the unknown ahead... with the plans of future owners, and the 'better the devil you know' feelings.
Either way, we are in for a hell of a ride. I just hope that this 'episode' doesn't interfere with our transfer dealings, only for Jez to pull out of the Souness deal AND having avoided investing in a proven goal scorer. :mad:
I know some of you respect the man, and along with you I will be concerned for the unknown ahead... with the plans of future owners, and the 'better the devil you know' feelings.
Either way, we are in for a hell of a ride. I just hope that this 'episode' doesn't interfere with our transfer dealings, only for Jez to pull out of the Souness deal AND having avoided investing in a proven goal scorer. :mad:
nuno
10-01-2007, 23:35
Vociferous, uncouth and ill-informed campaigning against the Haywards and Moxey is IMV out of order.
Where is this occuring? People are simply finding their voices over genuine concerns that have been building up for years.
Where is this occuring? People are simply finding their voices over genuine concerns that have been building up for years.
inaglasshouse
10-01-2007, 23:48
I don't blame moxey for the denial, he is paid to act in the interests of the club. I really hope time will show a number of parties are involved and not just Souness and his 'born in blighty so he must be alright' mate.
Souness has leaked his 'offer' to his journo pal from The Mirror to put pressure on the board to accept his offer by using his big name public profile. He has also gambled on the fans just wanting the money in regardless of his recent record. From the attitude of most of the posters this seems shrewd, I think it already shows he is more than a little untrustworthy.
His actions have now turned the optimism and security for MM and the boys into pressure on insecurity. MM who will now not know where he stands and some of the young players will see the window of opportunity being closed. Should Souness take over £10m (if we are lucky) worth of big time Charlies will soon return (having cost us the £20m).
By the way how did Souness get rich anyway - by bigging up his profile to get the job and then being sacked for being useless.
If your excited try reading Newcastle online (http://www.newcastle-online.com/updated-freddy-shepherd-a-catalogue-of-mismanagement/) 'we paid a reported £3m in compensation to Souness for sacking him. Effectively we shelled out over £50m to drop 10 places in the space of 18 months.'
Trouble is I fear it will be us who pays him off not poor old freddy next time. If he doesn't go up in two seasons he won't go for 'nothing' like SJH, you can bank on that.
Souness has leaked his 'offer' to his journo pal from The Mirror to put pressure on the board to accept his offer by using his big name public profile. He has also gambled on the fans just wanting the money in regardless of his recent record. From the attitude of most of the posters this seems shrewd, I think it already shows he is more than a little untrustworthy.
His actions have now turned the optimism and security for MM and the boys into pressure on insecurity. MM who will now not know where he stands and some of the young players will see the window of opportunity being closed. Should Souness take over £10m (if we are lucky) worth of big time Charlies will soon return (having cost us the £20m).
By the way how did Souness get rich anyway - by bigging up his profile to get the job and then being sacked for being useless.
If your excited try reading Newcastle online (http://www.newcastle-online.com/updated-freddy-shepherd-a-catalogue-of-mismanagement/) 'we paid a reported £3m in compensation to Souness for sacking him. Effectively we shelled out over £50m to drop 10 places in the space of 18 months.'
Trouble is I fear it will be us who pays him off not poor old freddy next time. If he doesn't go up in two seasons he won't go for 'nothing' like SJH, you can bank on that.
HazelGroveWolf
10-01-2007, 23:55
Where is this occuring? People are simply finding their voices over genuine concerns that have been building up for years.
Having an opinion does not necessarily mean hatred or love in either direction.
An inability to consider other arguments, and the baloney, does require some venom (I'm afraid).
Having an opinion does not necessarily mean hatred or love in either direction.
An inability to consider other arguments, and the baloney, does require some venom (I'm afraid).
Ogerp
11-01-2007, 00:00
The thing that strikes me in all this take over.......whether posters are for or against GS, I've not seen a thread started pleading for SJH not to sell and to stay on as owner for ever.
Kind of strikes me as the old adage....the King is dead long live the King.
Kind of strikes me as the old adage....the King is dead long live the King.
nuno
11-01-2007, 00:04
HGW - I think that people are sick and tired of the spin and general half truths that have been apparant at Wolves for the past 3 or 4 years and will now start to let whoever know, know. If you get my drift.
The Wolves board have treated the paying fan with contempt for far too long. Whatever you may think to be the case, the people of Wolverhampton will only be fed $$$$ for so long before they start to bite back. For god's sake, you must recognise this being a former Wolverhampton Grammar boy yourself?
The Wolves board have treated the paying fan with contempt for far too long. Whatever you may think to be the case, the people of Wolverhampton will only be fed $$$$ for so long before they start to bite back. For god's sake, you must recognise this being a former Wolverhampton Grammar boy yourself?
gaz kford
11-01-2007, 00:04
The thing that strikes me in all this take over.......whether posters are for or against GS, I've not seen a thread started pleading for SJH not to sell and to stay on as owner for ever.
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Well start one then!!!!!!!:)
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Well start one then!!!!!!!:)
Sozzled Wolf
11-01-2007, 00:07
Good to see some logical posts amongst the ludicrous amounts of in-fighting / squabbling.
Couple of further points:
1) I appreciate the fact that Moxey said there were no negotiations at the point of his press announcement, however if he had been just a teensy-weensy bit more transparent (i.e. not denying talk with GS) he would have added to his credibility. What would have been wrong with "At present we are speaking with potential investors but as yet there have been no formal written offers."?
2) I'm happy for the board / SJH to hold fire for as long as possible until they feel that the club will be in safe hands. As the owner - and a passionate supporter - would you hand over the club to the first person who verbally stated they had £20m to invest? And possibly without forwarding details of accounts and a signed investment schedule???
3) Bad timing all round - we're now in a great league position considering our expectations before the season commenced. Just as we're approaching a crucial period, when wise investment could provide vital added momentum, our player transfer ambitions take a back seat due to the club ownership situation. I hope we don't lose sight of what we need on the pitch. At the very least MM does not deserve to become a background figure during this month.
Couple of further points:
1) I appreciate the fact that Moxey said there were no negotiations at the point of his press announcement, however if he had been just a teensy-weensy bit more transparent (i.e. not denying talk with GS) he would have added to his credibility. What would have been wrong with "At present we are speaking with potential investors but as yet there have been no formal written offers."?
2) I'm happy for the board / SJH to hold fire for as long as possible until they feel that the club will be in safe hands. As the owner - and a passionate supporter - would you hand over the club to the first person who verbally stated they had £20m to invest? And possibly without forwarding details of accounts and a signed investment schedule???
3) Bad timing all round - we're now in a great league position considering our expectations before the season commenced. Just as we're approaching a crucial period, when wise investment could provide vital added momentum, our player transfer ambitions take a back seat due to the club ownership situation. I hope we don't lose sight of what we need on the pitch. At the very least MM does not deserve to become a background figure during this month.
Stewarton Wolf
11-01-2007, 00:23
The thing that strikes me in all this take over.......whether posters are for or against GS, I've not seen a thread started pleading for SJH not to sell and to stay on as owner for ever.
Kind of strikes me as the old adage....the King is dead long live the King.
I think it is finally dawning on people that he isn't as good as his rambling publicity.
Kind of strikes me as the old adage....the King is dead long live the King.
I think it is finally dawning on people that he isn't as good as his rambling publicity.
Sozzled Wolf
11-01-2007, 00:36
I think it is finally dawning on people that he isn't as good as his rambling publicity.
I agree that it's probably time to move on, as stated i another thread; however it doesn't mean I'm not grateful for what he's done.
I agree that it's probably time to move on, as stated i another thread; however it doesn't mean I'm not grateful for what he's done.
HazelGroveWolf
11-01-2007, 01:08
HGW - I think that people are sick and tired of the spin and general half truths that have been apparant at Wolves for the past 3 or 4 years and will now start to let whoever know, know. If you get my drift.
The Wolves board have treated the paying fan with contempt for far too long. Whatever you may think to be the case, the people of Wolverhampton will only be fed $$$$ for so long before they start to bite back. For god's sake, you must recognise this being a former Wolverhampton Grammar boy yourself?
I stand by Moxey. My observation is that he gets most things right. Given his domain he gets screwed by the nature of the business.
Most Wolves supporting people I know do not subscribe to the bellicose nature of some who post here.
The Old Wulfrunian stuff is irrelevant.
The Wolves board have treated the paying fan with contempt for far too long. Whatever you may think to be the case, the people of Wolverhampton will only be fed $$$$ for so long before they start to bite back. For god's sake, you must recognise this being a former Wolverhampton Grammar boy yourself?
I stand by Moxey. My observation is that he gets most things right. Given his domain he gets screwed by the nature of the business.
Most Wolves supporting people I know do not subscribe to the bellicose nature of some who post here.
The Old Wulfrunian stuff is irrelevant.
nuno
11-01-2007, 01:38
I stand by Moxey. My observation is that he gets most things right. Given his domain he gets screwed by the nature of the business.
Most Wolves supporting people I know do not subscribe to the bellicose nature of some who post here.
The Old Wulfrunian stuff is irrelevant.
I assume most Wolves supporting people you know can also spot a bull$$$$ter a mile off. Most I know can. The old wulfunian stuff isn't irrelevant btw, they're your roots. Although it seems as if you sold out a long time ago. judging by your posts on here at any rate.
BTW, i'd be interested to know if you still subscribe to Moxey's theory on wolfism? In that the team on the pitch are hindered by the paying fan?
Most Wolves supporting people I know do not subscribe to the bellicose nature of some who post here.
The Old Wulfrunian stuff is irrelevant.
I assume most Wolves supporting people you know can also spot a bull$$$$ter a mile off. Most I know can. The old wulfunian stuff isn't irrelevant btw, they're your roots. Although it seems as if you sold out a long time ago. judging by your posts on here at any rate.
BTW, i'd be interested to know if you still subscribe to Moxey's theory on wolfism? In that the team on the pitch are hindered by the paying fan?
East Bay Ray
11-01-2007, 01:38
I stand by Moxey. My observation is that he gets most things right. Given his domain he gets screwed by the nature of the business.
Most Wolves supporting people I know do not subscribe to the bellicose nature of some who post here.
The Old Wulfrunian stuff is irrelevant.
I think you're in a minority of two (with Mutchy) now. the revoultion has started...
Most Wolves supporting people I know do not subscribe to the bellicose nature of some who post here.
The Old Wulfrunian stuff is irrelevant.
I think you're in a minority of two (with Mutchy) now. the revoultion has started...
W01ves
11-01-2007, 01:48
I think it is finally dawning on people that he isn't as good as his rambling publicity.
Not really, more a case of everybody knows SJH isn't going to be around forever and most sensible fans would rather see the club in safe hands before anything (God forbid) happens, with him still as President of the club watching the potential success that he created in the first place.
Surely even you would grant him that?
Not really, more a case of everybody knows SJH isn't going to be around forever and most sensible fans would rather see the club in safe hands before anything (God forbid) happens, with him still as President of the club watching the potential success that he created in the first place.
Surely even you would grant him that?
W01ves
11-01-2007, 01:50
I think you're in a minority of two (with Mutchy) now. the revoultion has started...
I think the minority you talk of is far larger than you care to believe... It's at least 3 now :)
I think the minority you talk of is far larger than you care to believe... It's at least 3 now :)
HazelGroveWolf
11-01-2007, 02:01
I assume most Wolves supporting people you know can also spot a bull$$$$ter a mile off. Most I know can. The old wulfunian stuff isn't irrelevant btw, they're your roots. Although it seems as if you sold out a long time ago. judging by your pots on here at any rate.
BTW, i'd be interested to know if you still subscribe to Moxey's theory on wolfism? In that the team on the pitch are hindered by the paying fan?
If I think it is bull$$$$ I say so. However, I do need evidence.
As for support on the day, I take the Moxey view or rather my view. I can understand critcism and vociferous comment at the game but I cannot abide the constant abuse and rantings of some of our number on occasion.
I want to succeed, I want Wolves to succeed yet some seem to want all of us dragged back to their level.
BTW, i'd be interested to know if you still subscribe to Moxey's theory on wolfism? In that the team on the pitch are hindered by the paying fan?
If I think it is bull$$$$ I say so. However, I do need evidence.
As for support on the day, I take the Moxey view or rather my view. I can understand critcism and vociferous comment at the game but I cannot abide the constant abuse and rantings of some of our number on occasion.
I want to succeed, I want Wolves to succeed yet some seem to want all of us dragged back to their level.
Japan Wulf
11-01-2007, 05:19
I think the minority you talk of is far larger than you care to believe... It's at least 3 now :)
Four
Four
doog
11-01-2007, 07:07
A time of mixed fellings for me.
The proud and once great Wolverhampton Wanderers have been a club in decline for Fourty Nine years.
After more than Fifteen years in controll, SJH has not managed to reverse that decline.
Taking into account Jacks age, and the lack of intrest of his son's, then maybe it's time for a change.
But not at any price, (let's not forget the Bhatties)
And lets all show a little more respect to a fellow Wolves fan who had a go.
Who els but a fanatic would stick Fourty million quid of his own, into a football club, full well knowing, he'd have more chance of beeing struck by lightning than geting any of it back. :)
Find us the right buyers please Jack
;).
The proud and once great Wolverhampton Wanderers have been a club in decline for Fourty Nine years.
After more than Fifteen years in controll, SJH has not managed to reverse that decline.
Taking into account Jacks age, and the lack of intrest of his son's, then maybe it's time for a change.
But not at any price, (let's not forget the Bhatties)
And lets all show a little more respect to a fellow Wolves fan who had a go.
Who els but a fanatic would stick Fourty million quid of his own, into a football club, full well knowing, he'd have more chance of beeing struck by lightning than geting any of it back. :)
Find us the right buyers please Jack
;).
Wivey Wolf
11-01-2007, 07:13
I think the minority you talk of is far larger than you care to believe... It's at least 3 now :)
75+
http://www.molineuxmix.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?t=13905
75+
http://www.molineuxmix.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?t=13905
Wivey Wolf
11-01-2007, 07:17
Hence the word "IF" :rolleyes:
I know - I put that in for the benefit of whitemouse, before he believed that it was the gospel truth. Unfortunately, it didn't help...
I know - I put that in for the benefit of whitemouse, before he believed that it was the gospel truth. Unfortunately, it didn't help...
N. Herts Wolf
11-01-2007, 07:23
Maybe Sir Jack puts his heart before his head when it comes to Wolves sometimes (letting his sons near the place, saying we were going to finish in the top 6 after the Old Trafford game, hanging on to the club a little too long?) or maybe he's taking great care to make sure the club is passed on to safe hands.
Either way, when he does finally step aside, I'll certainly be amongst those saying "thanks Sir Jack."
It's easy to criticise the man at the top, but nobody knows where we would be now without him. He is the main character in a cast of characters (some of whom admittedly who have had less of the credit) who brought this club back from the brink of oblivion. OK, so we haven't been able to take that last, hardest, step and become an 'established' premiership team, but that wasn't for lack of money spent in the last 15 years.
I hope his final legacy for the club will be to find the right buyers and that he, and we, will spend the rest of our days in the Prem.
Either way, when he does finally step aside, I'll certainly be amongst those saying "thanks Sir Jack."
It's easy to criticise the man at the top, but nobody knows where we would be now without him. He is the main character in a cast of characters (some of whom admittedly who have had less of the credit) who brought this club back from the brink of oblivion. OK, so we haven't been able to take that last, hardest, step and become an 'established' premiership team, but that wasn't for lack of money spent in the last 15 years.
I hope his final legacy for the club will be to find the right buyers and that he, and we, will spend the rest of our days in the Prem.
John
11-01-2007, 08:39
. He is the main character in a cast of characters (some of whom admittedly who have had less of the credit) who brought this club back from the brink of oblivion.
More revisionism.
I take it you think we are currently on the brink of oblivion, as we are in the same position now as when Jack arrived
More revisionism.
I take it you think we are currently on the brink of oblivion, as we are in the same position now as when Jack arrived
Bumbamuffin
11-01-2007, 08:48
More revisionism.
I take it you think we are currently on the brink of oblivion, as we are in the same position now as when Jack arrived
Spot on.Too many people judge the record of SJH as Wolves owner in the same way that he has run the club-with their heart rather than their head.Lets not lose sight of the fact that his record at Wolves(when you consider the resources he has thrown at it) is awful.
He is a Wolves man through and through and is probably a nice guy as well.In addition,our failure has not been for a lack of desire and best intentions on his part.For that he deserves total credit.However,when the final analysis happens(IF the club is sold) lets cut out this notion that he saved the club from disaster and turned us into world beaters.Neither is anywhere near the truth.
I take it you think we are currently on the brink of oblivion, as we are in the same position now as when Jack arrived
Spot on.Too many people judge the record of SJH as Wolves owner in the same way that he has run the club-with their heart rather than their head.Lets not lose sight of the fact that his record at Wolves(when you consider the resources he has thrown at it) is awful.
He is a Wolves man through and through and is probably a nice guy as well.In addition,our failure has not been for a lack of desire and best intentions on his part.For that he deserves total credit.However,when the final analysis happens(IF the club is sold) lets cut out this notion that he saved the club from disaster and turned us into world beaters.Neither is anywhere near the truth.
N. Herts Wolf
11-01-2007, 08:52
No one's arguing that he's turned us into world beaters, but who could say categorically that, without his money and stewardship, we wouldn't be in a worse position than we are now?
Bumbamuffin
11-01-2007, 09:05
No one's arguing that he's turned us into world beaters, but who could say categorically that, without his money and stewardship, we wouldn't be in a worse position than we are now?
We could also have been in a better position as this season with very little money seems to indicate.The truth is that both possibilities are purely guesswork.
What is fact is that despite millions upon millions being spent we are back precisely where we started when SJH came in.Not on the brink of oblivion,merely a half decent 2nd division side.
We could also have been in a better position as this season with very little money seems to indicate.The truth is that both possibilities are purely guesswork.
What is fact is that despite millions upon millions being spent we are back precisely where we started when SJH came in.Not on the brink of oblivion,merely a half decent 2nd division side.
