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Bend It Like Dennison
10-01-2007, 14:51
Yesterday morning when I heard the news of this possible take-over I was so excited to be a Wolves fan again. Well placed in the league, a team just a couple of players away from being something special & with the distinct possibility of losing Hayward & his board of yes men. The future looked positevely bright.
What a difference a day makes- here we are today staring into an abyss of more Hayward lies, more Moxey spin & more years of under-achieving.
I dont claim to know the full ins & outs of Souness's offer. All I know is that in accepting his offer it would've finally give this ailing club a new found sense of direction, something it desperately needs.
Maybe the Hayward apologists are right- it could go wrong but just as equally it could (or could of) gone right & we could've gone on to achieve plenty. We'll never know. Nothing new there.
Surely everyone now must realise this Hayward/Moxey love affair has run its course. The relationship has gone stale & we are now in desperate need of a change. This has Ellis/Villa MKII written all over it.
Time to go Hayward, go now with what little dignity you have left. You cannot take us any further than you already have & I know there are no guarantee's that Souness & his clan could make a better go of it, but I'd certainly like to see them try, even with the risk of failing. I'd rather take the risk than just have us stand still for 5 years.
Please, just let go. For the good of Wolverhampton Wanderers.
paddingtonwolf
10-01-2007, 14:55
BILD - I think you are wrong, but its a passionate address.
Run its course? We are in the situation where Wolves are finally appearing to show potential for the future. We have unearthed gems like Henry and Kightly, and are improving all the time.
Far from running its course, I'd say it's only really beginning.
Souness is clearly trying to discontent the terraces to the point where he can make a move on Wolves on his own terms. Paul Ince tried the same thing at the start of the season, and thankfully failed.
Uncle Festa
10-01-2007, 15:00
Because of, or in spite of,Jack and Moxey?
Don't slash your wrists yet, I don't think all takeover options have failed just because Souness' bid has been rejected.
Taffywolf
10-01-2007, 15:01
I think ALL Wolves fans will always be Greateful for what Sir Jack has done for the club, But his enthusiasm has gone. When you rewind to the promotion season that was his Big chance to back the club and do everything he could to try and keep us in the Prem but He didn't.
The club needs a shake up at the board level, The management side is doing well, But new owners who are willing to plough 20 million into the team can only be good for the club. Jack isn't going to put no more than 1 million of his own cash imo.
The way I see it, There is no way that Souness is going to put x amount of money into a club of his own cash and not do everything in his power to make the club a success. Whether he was to sell up then or not we don't know but if he was selling it as a success we would be in a better position than we are now.
Gates are as bad as they have been for a long time, But with new owners and fresh ideas it could be just what we need to finally wake this Sleeping Giant...........
I would be interested in knowing more of Souness' plans. The man is a football man, not a mercenary and he is a very competitive man. He sounds the ideal man to point the club to the future.
Sir Jack has done fantastic things for the club, but I think its time to consider the offer from Graeme Souness.
Visage Wolf
10-01-2007, 15:04
Yesterday morning when I heard the news of this possible take-over I was so excited to be a Wolves fan again. Well placed in the league, a team just a couple of players away from being something special & with the distinct possibility of losing Hayward & his board of yes men. The future looked positevely bright.
What a difference a day makes- here we are today staring into an abyss of more Hayward lies, more Moxey spin & more years of under-achieving.
I dont claim to know the full ins & outs of Souness's offer. All I know is that in accepting his offer it would've finally give this ailing club a new found sense of direction, something it desperately needs.
Maybe the Hayward apologists are right- it could go wrong but just as equally it could (or could of) gone right & we could've gone on to achieve plenty. We'll never know. Nothing new there.
Surely everyone now must realise this Hayward/Moxey love affair has run its course. The relationship has gone stale & we are now in desperate need of a change. This has Ellis/Villa MKII written all over it.
Time to go Hayward, go now with what little dignity you have left. You cannot take us any further than you already have & I know there are no guarantee's that Souness & his clan could make a better go of it, but I'd certainly like to see them try, even with the risk of failing. I'd rather take the risk than just have us stand still for 5 years.
Please, just let go. For the good of Wolverhampton Wanderers.
You sound depressed. Have you ever considered suicide?
Because of, or in spite of,Jack and Moxey?
That depends, we might not have even reached this situation without Sir Jack and Moxey.
We trusted Hayward enough when he threw money at the club. I trust him and Moxey to find somebody suitable to take over. From what we've seen of Souness only in this past day or two, I don't trust him.
Flitwick Wolf
10-01-2007, 15:05
Although I think change can be a good thing, you only have to look at Hearts to realise what giving the club to the wrong person can do. At first is was all happy days and now look!
We can only assume that the quiet partner is someone whom SJH and Moxey do not trust and at this stage, I accept their opinion. Perhaps they were also not told who this was and this was the stumbling block?
However, the fact that someone has come out and claims to have offered £20m can only be seen as a good thing and that we are doing something correctly. Personally, I think there are others too.
Del Woppio
10-01-2007, 15:07
BILD, a lovely little speech, but so dreadfully flawed. Jack will go. Jack wants to go. Jack wants to leave the club in safe hands. Knowing what could happen if the club were to fall in the wrong hands, I'm more than happy to wait for the right person/s to come in with an acceptable offer - even if that means waiting a couple more years.
ROVERT47
10-01-2007, 15:10
Trying no to be too callous but he is at that age when he could croak at any time.
Given that Jonathon has been cut off and the egg chaser Rick doesn't give a toss, what would be the situation should he, say, fall off the Cruise Liner tommorrow?
Serious Question actually.
Taffywolf
10-01-2007, 15:12
BILD, a lovely little speech, but so dreadfully flawed. Jack will go. Jack wants to go. Jack wants to leave the club in safe hands. Knowing what could happen if the club were to fall in the wrong hands, I'm more than happy to wait for the right person/s to come in with an acceptable offer - even if that means waiting a couple more years.
Ok Jack wants to leave the club in safe hands but with Sir Jacks and Moxey's history at appointing carp managers Do you trust them to hand over to the right man.
A local builder could come in with 20 mill or Souness with 20 mill. Which one would have the best idea on how to run a football club????
Visage Wolf
10-01-2007, 15:13
Ok Jack wants to leave the club in safe hands but with Sir Jacks and Moxey's history at appointing carp managers Do you trust them to hand over to the right man.
A local builder could come in with 20 mill or Souness with 20 mill. Which one would have the best idea on how to run a football club????
The builder, judging by Souness's record after hanging up his boots.
BILD, a lovely little speech, but so dreadfully flawed. Jack will go. Jack wants to go. Jack wants to leave the club in safe hands. Knowing what could happen if the club were to fall in the wrong hands, I'm more than happy to wait for the right person/s to come in with an acceptable offer - even if that means waiting a couple more years.
Seriously Del, the right safe hands may never appear, and SJ estate may sell us to the highest bidder. We WILL NOT get a passionate Wolves fan with millions coming into the club because if the exsisted hey would be in already. I sadly get the impression Sir Jack is waiting for a fairytale that will never arrive. Time is running out and we need to take an offer this season. If we have more than one offer then great, take the best one.
The builder, judging by Souness's record after hanging up his boots.
Trophies in 3 countries. What rubbish are you on about now?
Ok Jack wants to leave the club in safe hands but with Sir Jacks and Moxey's history at appointing carp managers Do you trust them to hand over to the right man.
A local builder could come in with 20 mill or Souness with 20 mill. Which one would have the best idea on how to run a football club????
Yeah, gotta agree there. That Mick McCarthy, been nothing but trouble for this club.
scottishwolf II
10-01-2007, 15:22
Yeah, gotta agree there. That Mick McCarthy, been nothing but trouble for this club.
There was that Dave Jones as well - he went and got us promoted, the bugger
Visage Wolf
10-01-2007, 15:24
There was that Dave Jones as well - he went and got us promoted, the bugger
He was an honorable and decent chap, you know.
Bend It Like Dennison
10-01-2007, 15:24
Run its course? We are in the situation where Wolves are finally appearing to show potential for the future. We have unearthed gems like Henry and Kightly, and are improving all the time.
Far from running its course, I'd say it's only really beginning.
Partly agree with what your saying, especially regarding Kightly & Henry. But then just last week you get Moxey coming out saying that our £300,000 SPREE was only made by possible by Hayward putting his hand in his pocket, which tells me yet again, nothing has changed in 10 years.
He was an honorable and decent chap, you know.
Yes he was, I am glad you concur. I thought that you were just Jez Moxey's apologist.
Visage Wolf
10-01-2007, 15:30
W-h-o-o-o-o-o-s-h.......
I just hope that with all the goings on this week the players don't lose focus as we have a very important match this weekend. We all saw what an adverse affect the takeover talks had on West Ham ( there were other factors of course )
I'm sure Mick and Ian will keep the lads on the job mind.
I just hope that with all the goings on this week the players don't lose focus as we have a very important match this weekend. We all saw what an adverse affect the takeover talks had on West Ham ( there were other factors of course )
I'm sure Mick and Ian will keep the lads on the job mind.
Was just thinking the same thing. We have some critical games coming up which will need the full attention of the staff and players.
W-h-o-o-o-o-o-s-h.......
Your flies were undone.:)
scottishwolf II
10-01-2007, 15:43
He was an honorable and decent chap, you know.
Always enjoy you having my back Vis
Visage Wolf
10-01-2007, 15:44
And you, wingman.
Souness is a $$$$$$! Cant see him letting Mick get on with his job at all. It could all end in tears and Im suprised so many people are eager for him to take over. Like a bunch of dirty slags who'll take the first bit of c**k they can find!!!!
Stafford Wolf
10-01-2007, 15:57
Yesterday morning when I heard the news of this possible take-over I was so excited to be a Wolves fan again. Well placed in the league, a team just a couple of players away from being something special & with the distinct possibility of losing Hayward & his board of yes men. The future looked positevely bright.
What a difference a day makes- here we are today staring into an abyss of more Hayward lies, more Moxey spin & more years of under-achieving.
I dont claim to know the full ins & outs of Souness's offer. All I know is that in accepting his offer it would've finally give this ailing club a new found sense of direction, something it desperately needs.
Maybe the Hayward apologists are right- it could go wrong but just as equally it could (or could of) gone right & we could've gone on to achieve plenty. We'll never know. Nothing new there.
Surely everyone now must realise this Hayward/Moxey love affair has run its course. The relationship has gone stale & we are now in desperate need of a change. This has Ellis/Villa MKII written all over it.
Time to go Hayward, go now with what little dignity you have left. You cannot take us any further than you already have & I know there are no guarantee's that Souness & his clan could make a better go of it, but I'd certainly like to see them try, even with the risk of failing. I'd rather take the risk than just have us stand still for 5 years.
Please, just let go. For the good of Wolverhampton Wanderers.
Nice passionate post, and I agree in so many ways. This is an oprotunity for the club to move forwards, the players we have now are promising for the future but we do need that extra edge to take us there (a goal scorer for instance) and do not at all like the idea of just waiting.
We are a big club with a huge history, and whilst I dont demmand and expect to win the premiership, I sure as hell think we should be there (or at least trying too) and right now, I dont have that feeling.
Visage Wolf
10-01-2007, 16:01
This is an oprotunity for the club to move forwards, the players we have now are promising for the future but we do need that extra edge to take us there (a goal scorer for instance) and do not at all like the idea of just waiting.
Its also an oppurtunity to undo all the good work thats been done over the last 6 months.....
Stafford Wolf
10-01-2007, 16:13
Its also an oppurtunity to undo all the good work thats been done over the last 6 months.....
There is always risk, generallly in everything you do, theres a risk now of never scoring another goal and getting relegated for example.
There is always risk, generallly in everything you do, theres a risk now of never scoring another goal and getting relegated for example.
Yes, but I'm sure that removing the goals from both ends of the pitch and coating the ball in superglue would significantly change the odds for the former, just as removing the chairman would for the latter.
paddingtonwolf
10-01-2007, 16:39
Souness is a $$$$$$ and Im suprised so many people are eager for him to take over. Like a bunch of dirty slags who'll take the first bit of c**k they can find!!!!
Post of the Week
, just as removing the chairman would for the latter.
Change the odds to make it less likely we will continue to stagnate. I agree
Bend It Like Dennison
10-01-2007, 16:51
Souness is a $$$$$$! Cant see him letting Mick get on with his job at all. It could all end in tears and Im suprised so many people are eager for him to take over. Like a bunch of dirty slags who'll take the first bit of c**k they can find!!!!
Thing is, these dirty slags havent had the offer of any c**k in the 3 years its 'supposedly been available'. So please excuse this dirty slag for showing her interest in the first bit of long over-due c**k on offer!!
Del Woppio
10-01-2007, 16:54
The problem, BILD, is because you didn't put out on the first date, the $$$$$$$s gone and told all his mates you're figid.
Bend It Like Dennison
10-01-2007, 17:03
The problem, BILD, is because you didn't put out on the first date, the $$$$$$$s gone and told all his mates you're figid.
Stop spreading rumours about me DW, you just werent my type. ;)
if souness and his backers took over how long would it be before he was getting in the way of football decisions at the club. the ones mm is dealing with at the moment. it would end in souness taking over at some point. did anybody see atkinson trying to help peterborough out at the end of last season where the players had barrie fry, atkinson and the manager telling them what to do in the dressing room before , during and after the match with further interference in weekly training and tactics as an example. the result was a set of players demoralised and they lost their way. so if souness comes along i believe mick will have to go.
MobNet Wolf
10-01-2007, 17:12
I agree with BILD - Yesterday was exciting, and I want the excitement of signings and the future and the Premiership to come. Its gutting to think in 10 years time we might look back and say "if only".
Yes, admittedly we could look back in 10 years time and say "$$$$$ me, that went tits up", but as they say, better to have loved and lost, than never loved at all.
Yeah we all appreciate the "young and hungry" team at the moment, but lets be honest, there is nothing like winning and being successful. So while as a result our predicament at the start of the season we all look on the bright side of the current squad, the best times of my wolves watching life came after Jones had splashed the cash in the mess up season.
if souness and his backers took over how long would it be before he was getting in the way of football decisions at the club. the ones mm is dealing with at the moment. it would end in souness taking over at some point. did anybody see atkinson trying to help peterborough out at the end of last season where the players had barrie fry, atkinson and the manager telling them what to do in the dressing room before , during and after the match with further interference in weekly training and tactics as an example. the result was a set of players demoralised and they lost their way. so if souness comes along i believe mick will have to go.
Why would the chairman interfere in team affairs? He's been a manager and would know how he would have responded to the chairman interfering. If he isn't happy with Mick he may pressure him to produce better results and if still not happy he may sack him, but I'd credit Souness with more sense
HIGHLANDER
10-01-2007, 17:15
Have you ever considered suicide?Have you ? If not I'll happily drive you to Beachy Head;)
gaz kford
10-01-2007, 17:17
Have you ? If not I'll happily drive you to Beachy Head;)
I'm glad you took my advice (sig).;)
wolf of sedgley
10-01-2007, 17:17
Yeah we all appreciate the "young and hungry" team at the moment, but lets be honest, there is nothing like winning and being successful. So while as a result our predicament at the start of the season we all look on the bright side of the current squad, the best times of my wolves watching life came after Jones had splashed the cash in the mess up season.
Just because we have loadsacash, it doesn't mean we would have to abandon the 'young and hungry' approach. It just means we can do things like buy Freddy Eastwood and Greg Halford (sp).
if souness and his backers took over how long would it be before he was getting in the way of football decisions at the club. the ones mm is dealing with at the moment. it would end in souness taking over at some point. did anybody see atkinson trying to help peterborough out at the end of last season where the players had barrie fry, atkinson and the manager telling them what to do in the dressing room before , during and after the match with further interference in weekly training and tactics as an example. the result was a set of players demoralised and they lost their way. so if souness comes along i believe mick will have to go.
~If I remember correctly Atkinson was paid to go and do that and he didn't pay millions to take over the club and it was all for TV anyway ??? :confused:
Why would the chairman interfere in team affairs? He's been a manager and would know how he would have responded to the chairman interfering. If he isn't happy with Mick he may pressure him to produce better results and if still not happy he may sack him, but I'd credit Souness with more sense
i wouldnt i dont think its in his nature to take a backseat
paddingtonwolf
10-01-2007, 17:21
I'm glad you took my advice (sig).;)
it still ay right
i wouldnt i dont think its in his nature to take a backseat
Seriously, is their any evidence of this? Has he done things previously that have led you to this conclusion?
gaz kford
10-01-2007, 17:23
it still ay right
But still an improvement none the less.
HIGHLANDER
10-01-2007, 17:26
I'm glad you took my advice (sig).;)
I like to keep the women happy.
gaz kford
10-01-2007, 17:30
I like to keep the women happy.
:D :rolleyes:
I'm on my best behaviour at the moment so my smileys will have to do.
Taffywolf
10-01-2007, 17:46
Yeah, gotta agree there. That Mick McCarthy, been nothing but trouble for this club.
Graham Taylor, Mark MaGhee, Colin Lee and Glenn Hoddle spring to mind?
Deutsch Wolf
10-01-2007, 17:48
BILD, you don't know what you're talking about. Shut your noise.
Seriously, is their any evidence of this? Has he done things previously that have led you to this conclusion?
i just think it would be natural for souness character to do this, hes never stood back and let things just happen neither as a player or manager he likes to be in there mixing it. things certainly wouldnt be quite for long with him around. not saying that would be a bad thing but i dont think he and mick would be able to function in the same club
Deutsch Wolf
10-01-2007, 17:49
I agree with BILD - Yesterday was exciting, and I want the excitement of signings and the future and the Premiership to come.
Spoilt Brat Syndrome.
MK Panther
10-01-2007, 17:49
Exactly
I think ALL Wolves fans will always be Greateful for what Sir Jack has done for the club, But his enthusiasm has gone. When you rewind to the promotion season that was his Big chance to back the club and do everything he could to try and keep us in the Prem but He didn't.
The club needs a shake up at the board level, The management side is doing well, But new owners who are willing to plough 20 million into the team can only be good for the club. Jack isn't going to put no more than 1 million of his own cash imo.
The way I see it, There is no way that Souness is going to put x amount of money into a club of his own cash and not do everything in his power to make the club a success. Whether he was to sell up then or not we don't know but if he was selling it as a success we would be in a better position than we are now.
Gates are as bad as they have been for a long time, But with new owners and fresh ideas it could be just what we need to finally wake this Sleeping Giant...........
MobNet Wolf
10-01-2007, 18:25
Spoilt Brat Syndrome.
Name calling syndrome.:p
But I want it now.......!
Bend It Like Dennison
10-01-2007, 18:34
Spoilt Brat Syndrome.
Blinkered Hayward apologist Syndrome.
gaz kford
10-01-2007, 18:36
Above His station syndrome.
Mol Rep Syndrome.
Mod stopping the name calling syndrome...:rolleyes:
gaz kford
10-01-2007, 18:58
Mod stopping the name calling syndrome...:rolleyes:
:D :D
Just to say I've received an apology from Deutsch Wolf for his posts today. Under the circumstances, I'd be grateful if those posts could be disregarded. Thanks.
Just to say I've received an apology from Deutsch Wolf for his posts today.
Just todays?
$$$$ me, he's got years of bad karma to come if that's the case. [winky winky]
To be fair to Deutsch - and myself - today's posts had an understandable cause away from here, and I'd have done the same for anyone else in similar circumstances.. even you nuno...;)
To be fair to Deutsch - and myself - today's posts had an understandable cause away from here
eh? I don't follow.
That's one of the lamest things i've ever read on here (and there have been a few!)
gaz kford
10-01-2007, 23:47
I think I know where she's coming from so leave DW alone, for now that is.
eh? I don't follow.
To be fair to Deutsch - and myself - today's posts had an understandable cause away from here, and I'd have done the same for anyone else in similar circumstances.. even you nuno...;)
Sorry this still as a one sided edge to it.....we all may have problems but we don't take them out on fellow Wolves posters.
tbh, i haven't logged on today so i may have missed something.
bloody typical, i love watching a good internet mental breakdown. :(
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