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Old Gold And Black

15-12-2006, 16:11

Really can't believe that we would be interested in keeping this guy, especially if he's going to command a fee. Whilst he hasn't been given an extended run in central midfield, what I've seen, I certainly think we could better. Why doesn't McCarthy give Rosa a run and with Davies returning I would expect he would be a squad back up at best. Money better spent on strikers/full backs I reckon.

http://www.expressandstar.co.uk/2006/12/15/dont-price-me-out-potter/

Essex Wolf

15-12-2006, 16:14

Visage Wolf

15-12-2006, 16:16

';)'

Del Woppio

15-12-2006, 16:36

Essex, do you not think he should be given a reasonable run in his preferred position before we cast judgement on him? While I agree that he is not performing particularly well on the right wing, he is not a right winger. Give the guy a chance! Besides, under your rules from last season he wouldn't class as a *signing* should we buy his registration from Liverpool...

fenella

15-12-2006, 16:39

http://www.expressandstar.co.uk/2006/12/15/dont-price-me-out-potter/

I think the large black lump that's growing out of his neck is something we should be concerned about.

Visage Wolf

15-12-2006, 16:42

Arrr. RACITS.

John

15-12-2006, 16:50

Del Woppio

15-12-2006, 16:55

We could always extend his loan and agree a suitable price for the purchase, or trust the judgement of Mick, who sees him in training everyday. My point was that only a brain-dead moron would label him as "Micks worst signing so far"

Kenny-11

15-12-2006, 16:58

My point was that only a brain-dead moron would label him as "Micks worst signing so far"

When quite clearly it is Clapham

John

15-12-2006, 16:58

Del Woppio

15-12-2006, 16:59

Clapham. Given a sustained run in a position he has been playing for years, and looks like he has never been shown a football before in his life.

PabloWolfo

15-12-2006, 17:02

John

15-12-2006, 17:03

Fair enough.
I think Clapham is poor at the moment, but Potter has been pretty poor so far aswell. He doesn't look an exciting player. It's not like he just keeps cutting inside when played out wide, he just doesn't look good on the ball. I don't think Mark Davies would look that bad on the right.

Del Woppio

15-12-2006, 17:25

I'll agree that Davies would look better on the right, but from what I've seen, Davies is the better player. I do think we'll see Potter come good, he obviously has a good deal of ability, and I think he can certainly impose on the game from the middle of the park. It's similar to the Gerrard situation* in that he is infinately better in the middle than on the right, but the squad situation has meant that he has been not been utilised in the most efficient way.

*I am in no way suggesting that Potter is/will ever be as good as Stevie Me.

The Bear

15-12-2006, 17:40

I'm willing to give him another go in CM, though he will be alongside thew Fairy.

We can't really judge him on a few games at RW and one in CM.

Essex Wolf

15-12-2006, 19:08

leedswolf

15-12-2006, 19:40

Having seen him play on the wing and in his favoured position he looked awful each time.He has played a total of 14 times now so I'm sure MM has had time to assess him. The fact MM sees something that makes him want to sign Potter at least has me hoping he will end up producing a performance to justify his faith but I've not spoken to any Wolves fan I know who has a good comment to say about him and they can't all be wrong.

Potter-Works hard and will like some of the other youngsters improve with time.

Hmmmmmmmmm

GoldenHorseshoe

15-12-2006, 19:47

I am allowed an opinion aren't I?

No you are not! Your purpose in life is to stand still and be the butt of Vis's sarcastic comments.

Kenny-11

15-12-2006, 20:27

No you are not! Your purpose in life is to stand still and be the butt .

Should have ended there really GH

Kenny-11

15-12-2006, 20:27

sorry forgot this -> ;)

Professional

15-12-2006, 20:29

He's plain average.

dazmanwolf

15-12-2006, 21:39

Every Liverpool fan I know says that Potter is rubbish!

Del Woppio

16-12-2006, 11:26

What you seem to be conveniently forgetting Del Woppio is that Clapham was a freebie and that Liverpool are wanting, apparently, half a million for Potter and hence why it IMV he would be MM's worst signing. I am allowed an opinion aren't I?

Having seen him play on the wing and in his favoured position he looked awful each time.He has played a total of 14 times now so I'm sure MM has had time to assess him. The fact MM sees something that makes him want to sign Potter at least has me hoping he will end up producing a performance to justify his faith but I've not spoken to any Wolves fan I know who has a good comment to say about him and they can't all be wrong.

I am conveniently forgetting jack all Essex. Clapham is a seasoned professional playing in his preferred position and in a geographical region very close to his last club. For the rubbish that bloke has served up this season a bosman transfer is over priced. Potter is playing in an unfavoured position, in a division he is unaccustomed to. He has left the City of Liverpool for that of Wolverhampton at a young age, with a degree of uncertainty over his future. He has played less than 2 full games in his correct position, which is why we havent seen the best of him. Any body with half a brain and a penis will tell you that you blinkered fool. He may well be poor in the middle, but please reserve your opinion until you've seen what he can do.

Essex - "This Porche doesn't go very quick"
Porche salesman - "Well, we're still in the car park at the moment. Wait until it's on the track and you'll wee what it can do"
Essex - "No, too late. My minds made up. But while your here, do you think I should go to the game next week, becau..."

Kenny-11

16-12-2006, 12:06

in a division he is unaccustomed to.

Not really true as he spent time with Southampton last season and by all accounts did well playing in the centre of midfield for them.

cannockwolves

16-12-2006, 13:06

have to say I have not seen much to get excited about, but he did well at southampton and you can't fault his football education. We have henry, sefi, mark davies, and glesson may come through so we are short on numbers for central midfielders. Having said that for £250k there maybe better options in the lower leagues. On balance I would take him at around £250k but not any more and not at the expense of a striker.

Essex Wolf

17-12-2006, 12:19

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Originally Posted by Essex Wolf http://www.molineuxmix.co.uk/vb/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.molineuxmix.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?p=326929#post326929)

Having seen him play on the wing and in his favoured position he looked awful each time.He has played a total of 14 times now so I'm sure MM has had time to assess him. The fact MM sees something that makes him want to sign Potter at least has me hoping he will end up producing a performance to justify his faith but I've not spoken to any Wolves fan I know who has a good comment to say about him and they can't all be wrong.

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Originally Posted by Essex Wolf http://www.molineuxmix.co.uk/vb/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.molineuxmix.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?p=291010#post291010)

Potter-Works hard and will like some of the other youngsters improve with time.

Hmmmmmmmmm.

Your point being what exactly?

I was wrong, he hasn't improved and looks bloody rubbish.

Del Woppio, this from you:
I am conveniently forgetting jack all Essex. Clapham is a seasoned professional playing in his preferred position and in a geographical region very close to his last club. For the rubbish that bloke has served up this season a bosman transfer is over priced. Potter is playing in an unfavoured position, in a division he is unaccustomed to. He has left the City of Liverpool for that of Wolverhampton at a young age, with a degree of uncertainty over his future. He has played less than 2 full games in his correct position, which is why we havent seen the best of him. Any body with half a brain and a penis will tell you that you blinkered fool. He may well be poor in the middle, but please reserve your opinion until you've seen what he can do.

Essex - "This Porche doesn't go very quick"
Porche salesman - "Well, we're still in the car park at the moment. Wait until it's on the track and you'll wee what it can do"
Essex - "No, too late. My minds made up. But while your here, do you think I should go to the game next week, becau..."
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What utter tosh and a poorly prepared comment with totally unnecessary abuse but from you no surprise.

Firstly as Kenny 11 points out Potter played at Southampton so does indeed have a very good idea about CCC football so you are wrong there, well researched, secondly he will know all about being a long way from home and Southampton is a lot damn further away from Liverpool than Wolverhampton is, wrong again DW, not doing too well are you. In fact Wolverhampton is only just 80 odd miles away so hardly a case of the poor lad can't get home. Hardly making a good argument are you?

Potter was mediocre at best yesterday and playing against a poor side he failed to impress that much at all. He was in his favoured position and had a couple of okayish efforts. If he really does want a move to Molineux and having recently been dropped then I would have thought it was within the lads own interests to try and make a good impression so as his future wasn't maybe so uncertain, he failed miserably yesterday. So the comment about future uncertainty is yet another failed attempt to try and win an argument you have made yourself look rather silly in.

Do you actually attend many games DW? From the rubbish you have written I would guess not because if you do it seems you either don't watch the game or don't understand what you see.

leedswolf

17-12-2006, 12:47

Your point being what exactly?

I was wrong

QED

Essex Wolf

17-12-2006, 12:53

Of course you go to lots of games LW so would know just how Potter plays?;) But do I mean it?

leedswolf

17-12-2006, 12:54

Of course you go to lots of games LW so would know just how Potter plays?

Correct

Essex Wolf

17-12-2006, 13:04

Correct

And do you rate him, feel he is better than other players at Wolves who can also play the same position, is contributing enough to justify selection, and most importantly feel £500000 would be money well spent?

Not that it really matters what any of us think as MM will make the final decision as to whether he wants to sign Potter but managers do get things wrong and sometimes the fans are correct in their views.

ProudWolf

17-12-2006, 13:04

I thought Potter had his best game for us yesterday. Admittedly the opposition were very poor but he was very lively in winning 50/50's and then distributing the ball well. He had a couple of decent long range efforts and got forward at times too.

Essex Wolf

17-12-2006, 13:07

PW, he was certainly better in the 2nd half than the 1st but that applied to the whole team IMO. I'm glad you took into account just how poor QPR were though.

He may well as yet turn out to be a decent player for Wolves but having seen him a few times now he just does not look, to me, a player the club really needs and is worth the money being mentioned.

leedswolf

17-12-2006, 13:10

And do you rate him, feel he is better than other players at Wolves who can also play the same position, is contributing enough to justify selection, and most importantly feel £500000 would be money well spent?

Not that it really matters what any of us think as MM will make the final decision as to whether he wants to sign Potter but managers do get things wrong and sometimes the fans are correct in their views.

I don't rate him and have stated it previously. In the position that he plays it is helpful to be able to pass to a player that wears the same coloured shirt. Sadly Potter fails to grasp this concept.

goldeneyed

17-12-2006, 13:11

With money short, 500k plus on Potter would be a waste imv. He does not look anything special and we need someone with the 'x factor'. Henry and Olo are doing pretty well, Davies is coming back and I would rather we gave O'Connor and Gleeson a chance. But MM seems to like him so perhaps he can see something we can't.

We still lack a real classy playmaker in central midfield. Olo occasionally shows flashes of what we need but doesn't seem to be able to impose himself for 90 minutes. Davies may eventually be the answer but I would still like us to keep looking for a playmaker who has something special about him.

Essex Wolf

17-12-2006, 13:18

I don't rate him and have stated it previously. In the position that he plays it is helpful to be able to pass to a player that wears the same coloured shirt. Sadly Potter fails to grasp this concept.

Spot on IMV LW and it seems most Wolves fans I speak to think much the same way. Of course there are those who think otherwise but they seem few and far between.

I also feel goldeneyed comments are spot on.

If Potter gave the team something none of the clubs other midfield players could or have then I could understand MM's wish to sign him. But with several other midfield players available who are IMV certainly no worse than Potter I just feel spending good money on him would be wasteful.

basher

17-12-2006, 13:35

Potter is rubbish IMV. Looked like a fish out of water on the wing and when given a position in his favoure placed looked no better. Should MM waste money on this bloke it will, IMHO, be his worst signing so far.

Not having an anti-Essex rant but I do find your judgements of players inconsistent!!!!

You were one of the posters that went on tirelessly saying Frankowski should be given more chances ad nauseum when it was blindingly obvious the bloke was $$$$!!!!

Potter has had only a handful of games in his favoured position and yet your mind is made up that he is going to be McCarthy's worst signing should he go ahead and a deal is made.

Just an observation but I dont know how you expect to be taken seriously when you are so inconsistent!!!!

Essex Wolf

17-12-2006, 13:48

Not having an anti-Essex rant but I do find your judgements of players inconsistent!!!!

You were one of the posters that went on tirelessly saying Frankowski should be given more chances ad nauseum when it was blindingly obvious the bloke was $$$$!!!!

Potter has had only a handful of games in his favoured position and yet your mind is made up that he is going to be McCarthy's worst signing should he go ahead and a deal is made.

Just an observation but I dont know how you expect to be taken seriously when you are so inconsistent!!!!

Fair comments basher and nowt wrong with decent debate but disagree re the consistency comments. We all get things wrong and Leedswolf has highlighted a previous comment of mine where, and only IMO, I got something wrong.

All I'll say here is that Frankowski was played in a system and formation that never suited him from the outset and Hoddle failed to either see it or was too damn stubborn to rectify it. Whatever the situation it can not be taken away from him or denied that TF has a very good strike rate at top level football albeit I do feel the fe paid for him was a bit OTT.

Potter has not just had a handful of games though basher, he has in fact played 15 games for Wolves which is more than Frankowski and Potter only arrived at Molineux in August. Whilst I accept he has mostly been played out of place and excuses could be made for his poor performances it has to be said he looks no better when played in his favoured position.

basher

17-12-2006, 13:53

I said that he had only had a handful of games in his favoured position. I think if you're going to be consistent you need to see him play a number of more games in central midfield before you say he is rubbish!!

He had looked hopeless out on the wing, but he's not a winger!!!

Del Woppio

17-12-2006, 16:21

Quote:

Del Woppio, this from you:
I am conveniently forgetting jack all Essex. Clapham is a seasoned professional playing in his preferred position and in a geographical region very close to his last club. For the rubbish that bloke has served up this season a bosman transfer is over priced. Potter is playing in an unfavoured position, in a division he is unaccustomed to. He has left the City of Liverpool for that of Wolverhampton at a young age, with a degree of uncertainty over his future. He has played less than 2 full games in his correct position, which is why we havent seen the best of him. Any body with half a brain and a penis will tell you that you blinkered fool. He may well be poor in the middle, but please reserve your opinion until you've seen what he can do.

Essex - "This Porche doesn't go very quick"
Porche salesman - "Well, we're still in the car park at the moment. Wait until it's on the track and you'll wee what it can do"
Essex - "No, too late. My minds made up. But while your here, do you think I should go to the game next week, becau..."
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What utter tosh and a poorly prepared comment with totally unnecessary abuse but from you no surprise.

Firstly as Kenny 11 points out Potter played at Southampton so does indeed have a very good idea about CCC football so you are wrong there, well researched, secondly he will know all about being a long way from home and Southampton is a lot damn further away from Liverpool than Wolverhampton is, wrong again DW, not doing too well are you. In fact Wolverhampton is only just 80 odd miles away so hardly a case of the poor lad can't get home. Hardly making a good argument are you?

Potter was mediocre at best yesterday and playing against a poor side he failed to impress that much at all. He was in his favoured position and had a couple of okayish efforts. If he really does want a move to Molineux and having recently been dropped then I would have thought it was within the lads own interests to try and make a good impression so as his future wasn't maybe so uncertain, he failed miserably yesterday. So the comment about future uncertainty is yet another failed attempt to try and win an argument you have made yourself look rather silly in.

Do you actually attend many games DW? From the rubbish you have written I would guess not because if you do it seems you either don't watch the game or don't understand what you see.

Potter made ten Championship appearances for Southampton - hardly time to give a young player a "very good idea of CCC football". There is also a difference and being sent on loan for 5 months to get first team experience, and being sent on loan for a season with a view to a pemanent move - particularly when there is no fee pre-agreed.

If you genuinely feel that having such an uncertain future, being played in the wrong position in a team that has hardly played together are the correct conditions to judge a young player then sobeit; no amount of reasoning can change your mind on any subject - let alone this one.

I didn't attend the game yesterday, so am not in a position to comment on his performance - if you say it was unsatisfactory then I have no reason to disbelieve you - you wouldn't pre-conceive an opinion. However knowing how small the pitch is a Loftus Road, I'm assuming you've allowed for a congested midfield when formulating your view.

You are correct in saying that I have not attended too many games this season (I have purchased a half ST - so hopefully my opinion will count come the New Year!), however the whole crux of my argument (which you failed to grasp as valid, and merely disagreed because it is my opinion) is that it is unfair to label him as "MMs worst signing so far" when nobody on this board has seen him play more than 180 minutes in his favoured position. Until I do, I will not question Micks judgement of player he works with day in, day out - and certainly not denounce the player as you have done.

Papper

17-12-2006, 19:22

I think the large black lump that's growing out of his neck is something we should be concerned about.

Racist

Essex Wolf

18-12-2006, 11:23

Potter made ten Championship appearances for Southampton - hardly time to give a young player a "very good idea of CCC football". There is also a difference and being sent on loan for 5 months to get first team experience, and being sent on loan for a season with a view to a pemanent move - particularly when there is no fee pre-agreed.

If you genuinely feel that having such an uncertain future, being played in the wrong position in a team that has hardly played together are the correct conditions to judge a young player then sobeit; no amount of reasoning can change your mind on any subject - let alone this one.

I didn't attend the game yesterday, so am not in a position to comment on his performance - if you say it was unsatisfactory then I have no reason to disbelieve you - you wouldn't pre-conceive an opinion. However knowing how small the pitch is a Loftus Road, I'm assuming you've allowed for a congested midfield when formulating your view.

You are correct in saying that I have not attended too many games this season (I have purchased a half ST - so hopefully my opinion will count come the New Year!), however the whole crux of my argument (which you failed to grasp as valid, and merely disagreed because it is my opinion) is that it is unfair to label him as "MMs worst signing so far" when nobody on this board has seen him play more than 180 minutes in his favoured position. Until I do, I will not question Micks judgement of player he works with day in, day out - and certainly not denounce the player as you have done.

DW, it's always about individuals opinions and the only persons opinion that matters come the end of the day is Mick McCarthy's.

My whole point before was that you have made comments that were proved wrong. Potter has had experience of playing CCC football so it can no longer be used as an excuse to explain away how poor he plays.

I accept that after a few games in his favoured position he may be a good player and if so then great news for him and the Wolves but I, and other fans who have seen him play, can only go on what we see on the day and so far Potter has failed to impress no matter what position he has played.

I don't want players wearing a Wolves shirt to perform badly but neither do I want to see a large chunk of what may be a very small transfer budget blown on a player that so far has looked mediocre at best.

fullmoon

18-12-2006, 11:38

>The main thing here now is that,Does Potter truly fits into the system.If he truly wants a permanent move perhaps a Stevie G kinda perfomance might change our viewa about him ;)

Del Woppio

18-12-2006, 11:39

My whole point before was that you have made comments that were proved wrong. Potter has had experience of playing CCC football so it can no longer be used as an excuse to explain away how poor he plays.

How have I been proved wrong? If ten appearances for another club in his correct position suggests to you that he is 'experienced' then we have a very 'experienced' first XI.

Essex Wolf

18-12-2006, 11:53

How have I been proved wrong? If ten appearances for another club in his correct position suggests to you that he is 'experienced' then we have a very 'experienced' first XI.

DW, I believe you are grabbing at straws now and back tracking. Potter has played in European football for Liverpool as well as making appearances in the league and FA cup for them, hardly an inexperienced new boy is he? He has played a total of 29 games, including those as a sub, in the CCC with Southampton and Wolves and IMHO looks a very mediocre player.

I don't know how many games you expect a player to have to play before being classed as experienced but Potter at just 21 years old has made a total of 49 apparances if I've read things correctly so using the excuse you do just doesn't apply.

Templeton Peck

18-12-2006, 12:00

Essex Wolf

18-12-2006, 12:14

Don't need him. We have Ricketts, Gobern, Kightly and McIndoe for the wings and Henry, fairy George and soon Davies to compete for central midfield. Then there's O'Connor, Gleeson and Rosa of course...

TP, it was mentioned only a few days back Wolves have more than enough players to cover the position Potter plays and IMO will do at the very least as good a job as Potter has done and in most cases better.

I'm still waiting for the next installment of Del Woppio's Potter excuses which keep getting torn apart.

basher

18-12-2006, 13:17

^
Unlike yours, and the other posters, Frankowski arguments!!???

You can bang on about Frankowski record before he came to Wolves but I never saw him do anything in a Wolves shirt that convinced me that he was anything other than $$$$!!!! And I'm only interested in what the players do for Wolves, not the international of club sides!!!!

As for Potter I've not seen anything that impresses me that much. But I will add that he has played only a handful of games in his favoured position. With that in mind I'll reserve judgement before saying he's rubbish.

Again I still think you should be more consistant in your critical assessments.

Del Woppio

18-12-2006, 13:19

DW, I believe you are grabbing at straws now and back tracking. Potter has played in European football for Liverpool as well as making appearances in the league and FA cup for them, hardly an inexperienced new boy is he? He has played a total of 29 games, including those as a sub, in the CCC with Southampton and Wolves and IMHO looks a very mediocre player.

I don't know how many games you expect a player to have to play before being classed as experienced but Potter at just 21 years old has made a total of 49 apparances if I've read things correctly so using the excuse you do just doesn't apply.

Potter has been involved in 17 games for Liverpool - 9 in European qualifiers, 5 in the league cup, 1 in the FA Cup and 2 (as sub) in the Premier League.

He played 12 times for Southampton, 10 in the league and 2 in the FA cup

He has played 15 times times for Wolves, 14 in the league and 1 in the league cup.

He has represented the ROI U21's 7 times.

You'll notice that (hopefully) that he has played 24 CCC games, not the 29 that you state. Of those 14 games for Wolves, he has been played out of position for 11 of them. It is on that basis that I think it is unfair that you label him "MM's worst signing so far". I don'r know if he is a good central midfielder or not, and at no point have I stated that I think Potter is, or would be a good signing. All I have asked of you Essex, is that you (like I am doing) reserve judgement until he has had a decent run in his preferred position.

Essex Wolf

18-12-2006, 15:59

DW, exactly how long does someone have to reserve judgement on a player that has been poor to mediocre each and every time thay have played?

Del Woppio

18-12-2006, 16:05

Until one sees them play in their correct position, for a reasonable spell, say 5 games*.

That isn't a unversally accepted figure - more one plucked from my fat hairy $$$$.

Essex Wolf

18-12-2006, 16:07

Until one sees them play in their correct position, for a reasonable spell, say 5 games*.

That isn't a unversally accepted figure - more one plucked from my fat hairy $$$$.

And should Potter achieve this number you've plucked from your butt and he is still utter rubbish what then?

Del Woppio

18-12-2006, 16:11

jabbawolf

18-12-2006, 16:15

Then I will walk around the terrace bar with a plackard baring the following statement.*

"I agree with Essex Wolf; Potter is Micks worst signing so far."

*If after 5 games in central midfield, Potter is rated by the majority in an independent poll as Micks worst signing so far.
Using this method, Arsenal fans would have been wearing shorts emblazoned with "I agree with Arsenal's equivalent of Essex Wolf; Bergkamp is Bruce's worst signing so far."

Let's give him the time he deserves.

The Bear

18-12-2006, 16:23

I have to agree with Del on this one. He has been out of the team since his first outing at CM. To expect him to suddenly be great the next chance he gets there is asking too much. He didn't sound that bad to be honest via the commentary but you were there so I'm not going to dismiss or poo-poo your opinion, but others on the verdict thread seemed to think he was ok.

It's obvious he's solid enough playing CM and a decent distributor of the ball (A bit like Huddlestone when we had him), but whether he can take that next step of controlling midfields and playing people through in this division is yet to be seen.

We have until the end of the season to decide on him so there's no need to hit the panic button yet or dismiss him completely. Give the bloke a fair go. We have to at least give him another couple of games there if Mick lets him.

I wouldn't rate him more than £200k for him tops though at this stage.