wallace
17-11-2006, 14:53
if your one of these what would it take to get you back? would it be the million pound signings hoping for results at any cost, attacking football, the cost of match day tickets or would anything else be a factor?
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Del Woppio
17-11-2006, 14:56
Is that you, Mr Moxey?
paddingtonwolf
17-11-2006, 14:57
NO - I'm over here
Del Woppio
17-11-2006, 14:59
It's no wonder we never sign no players you're always on 'ere! it's amazing you can type with fingers full of pie hahahahaha
fenella
17-11-2006, 14:59
I think the fact that we've sold well over 20,000 tickets already for a Friday night match that's on the telly tells you exactly what would get people back.
wallace
17-11-2006, 15:02
It's no wonder we never sign no players you're always on 'ere! it's amazing you can type with fingers full of pie hahahahaha
i just love it when you mortals talk dirty!
i just love it when you mortals talk dirty!
derbyrameater
17-11-2006, 16:28
you turned down my cash so pizza off..
Deutsch Wolf
17-11-2006, 16:34
you turned down my cash so pizza off..
I know how you feel. I went to Gordon Ramsey's restaurant last weekend and offered him £4.99 for a main course. He turned me down so I won't be going there again.
I know how you feel. I went to Gordon Ramsey's restaurant last weekend and offered him £4.99 for a main course. He turned me down so I won't be going there again.
Dragonwolf
17-11-2006, 16:40
I don't think I could be tempted back now, after all those years of going regardless of the cost I've finally got my life back.
Half a dozen games a season will do me fine now.
Half a dozen games a season will do me fine now.
paddingtonwolf
17-11-2006, 16:40
It's Gordon RamsAy DW
Deutsch Wolf
17-11-2006, 16:41
Probably another reason why he wouldn't accept my exceedingly generous offer. Maybe derbyrameater addressed his request to Mr Moxley and that spoilt any chance of the deal.
PabloWolfo
17-11-2006, 16:51
I don't think I could be tempted back now, after all those years of going regardless of the cost I've finally got my life back.
Half a dozen games a season will do me fine now.
This is pretty much the same for me.
Regardless of how Wolves have played this season, I just don't have much confidence in them to put in at least a decent performance. Like DragonWolf, I've discovered the joys of doing other stuff on a Saturday and getting the results whenever I get them.
Wolves'll get 10 or so games worth of wedge out of me and that's about it.
Half a dozen games a season will do me fine now.
This is pretty much the same for me.
Regardless of how Wolves have played this season, I just don't have much confidence in them to put in at least a decent performance. Like DragonWolf, I've discovered the joys of doing other stuff on a Saturday and getting the results whenever I get them.
Wolves'll get 10 or so games worth of wedge out of me and that's about it.
derbyrameater
17-11-2006, 17:03
Dear Deutsch, I do know how to spell Moxleys name and if you wanted to make the mistake of even entering a Gordon Ramsay grub shop then more fool you IMO of course..
Of course also offering just £4-99p is a being a bit of a skin flint, after all the average price of a meal is £90 x 23= £2070, so therefore you should have offered £1035. so do stop being a tight wadd and apologise to Mr Ramsay immediatley..lots of smilies..Kiss kiss..
Of course also offering just £4-99p is a being a bit of a skin flint, after all the average price of a meal is £90 x 23= £2070, so therefore you should have offered £1035. so do stop being a tight wadd and apologise to Mr Ramsay immediatley..lots of smilies..Kiss kiss..
NOKASPLACE
18-11-2006, 01:54
Going back to the threads subject.....
I have been a season ticket holder 20 + years
When I started going there was about 6 of us (84/5 ish)
When Wolves finished the Jack Harris Stand I got 10 seats in the middle of the stand (I had contacts in the club at this time)
At this time there was 20 - 26 of us who used to meet for a beer and stuff and enjoy the game and banter etc.
Now out of those 26 there are 3 of us. And of the guys who dont turn up anymore, none of them are even bothered to come back as they have found better things to do with their money.
Now I havent a clue how the club will get them back - and to be honest I dont think they ever will.
The future is in the kids......... so why are we still pricing them out the game?
Yours living in a sea of Man U and Chelsea shirts
Noka
I have been a season ticket holder 20 + years
When I started going there was about 6 of us (84/5 ish)
When Wolves finished the Jack Harris Stand I got 10 seats in the middle of the stand (I had contacts in the club at this time)
At this time there was 20 - 26 of us who used to meet for a beer and stuff and enjoy the game and banter etc.
Now out of those 26 there are 3 of us. And of the guys who dont turn up anymore, none of them are even bothered to come back as they have found better things to do with their money.
Now I havent a clue how the club will get them back - and to be honest I dont think they ever will.
The future is in the kids......... so why are we still pricing them out the game?
Yours living in a sea of Man U and Chelsea shirts
Noka
Taffywolf
18-11-2006, 07:31
I have been a season ticket holder now for 7/8 years. My 2 daughters have started coming with me now, But I have to bring them in turns because of the expense. The way I feel at the moment there is no way I will be getting 1 next season and to be honest if I could sell both my season tickets now I would..
The only way to get the crowd back is to drop the prices.. No doubt about it.
The only way to get the crowd back is to drop the prices.. No doubt about it.
NOKASPLACE
18-11-2006, 09:08
I feel the same about my Season Ticket Taffy Wolf. I will be moving to Halesowen next year - not a million miles away, but just adds that extra bit of hassle to going to the match.
Unless the price matches the entertainment on offer, my 23 years of being a season ticket holder will end in 07
Unless the price matches the entertainment on offer, my 23 years of being a season ticket holder will end in 07
UNCLE REMUS
18-11-2006, 09:34
Going back to the threads subject.....
I have been a season ticket holder 20 + years
When I started going there was about 6 of us (84/5 ish)
When Wolves finished the Jack Harris Stand I got 10 seats in the middle of the stand (I had contacts in the club at this time)
At this time there was 20 - 26 of us who used to meet for a beer and stuff and enjoy the game and banter etc.
Now out of those 26 there are 3 of us. And of the guys who dont turn up anymore, none of them are even bothered to come back as they have found better things to do with their money.
Now I havent a clue how the club will get them back - and to be honest I dont think they ever will.
The future is in the kids......... so why are we still pricing them out the game?
Yours living in a sea of Man U and Chelsea shirts
Noka
Same here. Had a season ticket for 20 years, before that there was never any need. If I go now I go on my own or with my son in law. But have been going since 1956, that's when playing football allowed it.
When the Jack Harris opened there was a probably 50 of us at the back by the Police Box, sort of a "Fight Club" but over the years we all drifted away.
So here's to Steve Shinton and his mates, "Cardy" and his mates etc. All turned of the game of football, by circumstances or the ineptitude in the running of the club.
Another mate of mine has been going to the Wolves for years, Ten season tickets in the Billy Wright, now none of them go.
To get me back going home and away, it will never happen now, like my Saturday freedom to do what I want without that knot in the stomach wondering how we will do.
Thank to the Players, Moxey and the Haywards for part and thanks to the general greed of players in general who get well paid for being "average".
I have to admire the die hards, but the club does not deserve them.
I have been a season ticket holder 20 + years
When I started going there was about 6 of us (84/5 ish)
When Wolves finished the Jack Harris Stand I got 10 seats in the middle of the stand (I had contacts in the club at this time)
At this time there was 20 - 26 of us who used to meet for a beer and stuff and enjoy the game and banter etc.
Now out of those 26 there are 3 of us. And of the guys who dont turn up anymore, none of them are even bothered to come back as they have found better things to do with their money.
Now I havent a clue how the club will get them back - and to be honest I dont think they ever will.
The future is in the kids......... so why are we still pricing them out the game?
Yours living in a sea of Man U and Chelsea shirts
Noka
Same here. Had a season ticket for 20 years, before that there was never any need. If I go now I go on my own or with my son in law. But have been going since 1956, that's when playing football allowed it.
When the Jack Harris opened there was a probably 50 of us at the back by the Police Box, sort of a "Fight Club" but over the years we all drifted away.
So here's to Steve Shinton and his mates, "Cardy" and his mates etc. All turned of the game of football, by circumstances or the ineptitude in the running of the club.
Another mate of mine has been going to the Wolves for years, Ten season tickets in the Billy Wright, now none of them go.
To get me back going home and away, it will never happen now, like my Saturday freedom to do what I want without that knot in the stomach wondering how we will do.
Thank to the Players, Moxey and the Haywards for part and thanks to the general greed of players in general who get well paid for being "average".
I have to admire the die hards, but the club does not deserve them.
Stewarton Wolf
18-11-2006, 11:25
If Hayward goes then I will be back.
Hatch End Wolf
18-11-2006, 11:32
I went all the way down to the 4th division with the club and I'd have gone into the Conference with them, so I'm not stopping now.
However, there is an obvious crisis of confidence a$$$$st a large number of fans, especially those who now can't be bothered to come to the Mol or only turn up occasionally. What's missing at the moment is that essential part of supporting a football club...hope!. People will watch rubbish if they think there's a chance of things getting better, but at the moment they see a club in limbo. Sir Jack is holding on to the club for some reason, although he no longer wants to support it financially; he's left Moxey in charge and he seems to think that large crowds will turn up to watch sub-standard players playing sub-standard football.....they won't. I'll still be there and so will the rest of the hard core, but then we're terminally insane.
What appears to be the Moxey plan ( run the club as cheaply as possible and hope that 20,000+ fans will still turn up for every game), might work but the odds are against it. In the meanwhile it might break his heart but he will have to lower the cost of attending matches both for adults ( and even more importantly ), for children. As several posters have said we are going to lose fans permanenty once they lose the habit.
However, there is an obvious crisis of confidence a$$$$st a large number of fans, especially those who now can't be bothered to come to the Mol or only turn up occasionally. What's missing at the moment is that essential part of supporting a football club...hope!. People will watch rubbish if they think there's a chance of things getting better, but at the moment they see a club in limbo. Sir Jack is holding on to the club for some reason, although he no longer wants to support it financially; he's left Moxey in charge and he seems to think that large crowds will turn up to watch sub-standard players playing sub-standard football.....they won't. I'll still be there and so will the rest of the hard core, but then we're terminally insane.
What appears to be the Moxey plan ( run the club as cheaply as possible and hope that 20,000+ fans will still turn up for every game), might work but the odds are against it. In the meanwhile it might break his heart but he will have to lower the cost of attending matches both for adults ( and even more importantly ), for children. As several posters have said we are going to lose fans permanenty once they lose the habit.
NOKASPLACE
18-11-2006, 11:40
Blimey Remus "So here's to Steve Shinton and his mates, "Cardy" and his mates etc. All turned of the game of football, by circumstances or the ineptitude in the running of the club. "
I know Shinno well and I miss shouting over to him and the lads to get the singing going at the back of the Jack Harris.
I still sit in the same place in the middle and occasionally stand up singing on my own like a loon, however these times are becoming less frequent and to be honest I cant be bothered now.
I dont really want to give it up but I have missed 4 home games already this season and to be fair I am struggling to see the incentive now so many of my mates have given it up.
I know Shinno well and I miss shouting over to him and the lads to get the singing going at the back of the Jack Harris.
I still sit in the same place in the middle and occasionally stand up singing on my own like a loon, however these times are becoming less frequent and to be honest I cant be bothered now.
I dont really want to give it up but I have missed 4 home games already this season and to be fair I am struggling to see the incentive now so many of my mates have given it up.
UNCLE REMUS
18-11-2006, 11:54
Blimey Remus "So here's to Steve Shinton and his mates, "Cardy" and his mates etc. All turned of the game of football, by circumstances or the ineptitude in the running of the club. "
I know Shinno well and I miss shouting over to him and the lads to get the singing going at the back of the Jack Harris.
I still sit in the same place in the middle and occasionally stand up singing on my own like a loon, however these times are becoming less frequent and to be honest I cant be bothered now.
I dont really want to give it up but I have missed 4 home games already this season and to be fair I am struggling to see the incentive now so many of my mates have given it up.
Remember it well Noka.
Even got paid a compliment by Paul Franks after one awful match, think it may have been Grimsby, in 2002. He said "Out of darkness, came a little light, with one small group of fans at the back of the South Bank, still singing to the end"
Do you remember when we used to do the "Wheels on the Bus"
Give my regards to Shinno if you see him.
I know Shinno well and I miss shouting over to him and the lads to get the singing going at the back of the Jack Harris.
I still sit in the same place in the middle and occasionally stand up singing on my own like a loon, however these times are becoming less frequent and to be honest I cant be bothered now.
I dont really want to give it up but I have missed 4 home games already this season and to be fair I am struggling to see the incentive now so many of my mates have given it up.
Remember it well Noka.
Even got paid a compliment by Paul Franks after one awful match, think it may have been Grimsby, in 2002. He said "Out of darkness, came a little light, with one small group of fans at the back of the South Bank, still singing to the end"
Do you remember when we used to do the "Wheels on the Bus"
Give my regards to Shinno if you see him.
NOKASPLACE
18-11-2006, 12:01
Remember it well Noka.
Do you remember when we used to do the "Wheels on the Bus"
Give my regards to Shinno if you see him.
Remember it well mate - we used to have a great laugh didnt we!!
Just aint the same anymore sadly - hope those days come back soon and we can all meet for beers in Cardiff next May!!!
Do you remember when we used to do the "Wheels on the Bus"
Give my regards to Shinno if you see him.
Remember it well mate - we used to have a great laugh didnt we!!
Just aint the same anymore sadly - hope those days come back soon and we can all meet for beers in Cardiff next May!!!
I.D.
18-11-2006, 19:22
This thread reads like it's a load of old farts who would have stopped going to football anyway and are just looking for an excuse to hang the blame on. I can remember over 30 years of Wolves owners/senior management and apart from the Bhattis era, it's now no better or no worse than it's ever been.
FFS, when we built the John Ireland stand we nearly went bust. That was what led to the original decline and let the Bhattis in. At least the current owner managed to re-build 3 sides of the ground and re-furbish that stand without the club nearly going out of business.
It's obvious that the poster known as Uncle Remus is still bitter that he and his supporters trust chums were laughed out of the place by the people running the club and 99% of the fans. I suspect a few other posters were in that pro-trust group and are also bitter. Don't blame Wolves, supporters trusts get laughed out of most clubs.
FFS, when we built the John Ireland stand we nearly went bust. That was what led to the original decline and let the Bhattis in. At least the current owner managed to re-build 3 sides of the ground and re-furbish that stand without the club nearly going out of business.
It's obvious that the poster known as Uncle Remus is still bitter that he and his supporters trust chums were laughed out of the place by the people running the club and 99% of the fans. I suspect a few other posters were in that pro-trust group and are also bitter. Don't blame Wolves, supporters trusts get laughed out of most clubs.
gaz kford
18-11-2006, 19:34
This thread reads like it's a load of old farts who would have stopped going to football anyway and are just looking for an excuse to hang the blame on. I can remember over 30 years of Wolves owners/senior management and apart from the Bhattis era, it's now no better or no worse than it's ever been.
FFS, when we built the John Ireland stand we nearly went bust. That was what led to the original decline and let the Bhattis in. At least the current owner managed to re-build 3 sides of the ground and re-furbish that stand without the club nearly going out of business.
It's obvious that the poster known as Uncle Remus is still bitter that he and his supporters trust chums were laughed out of the place by the people running the club and 99% of the fans. I suspect a few other posters were in that pro-trust group and are also bitter. Don't blame Wolves, supporters trusts get laughed out of most clubs.
I.D I'm getting worried it's the 2nd time I've agreed with you within a month.
The Bhattis are the reason the counil own the land the Mol is built on
FFS, when we built the John Ireland stand we nearly went bust. That was what led to the original decline and let the Bhattis in. At least the current owner managed to re-build 3 sides of the ground and re-furbish that stand without the club nearly going out of business.
It's obvious that the poster known as Uncle Remus is still bitter that he and his supporters trust chums were laughed out of the place by the people running the club and 99% of the fans. I suspect a few other posters were in that pro-trust group and are also bitter. Don't blame Wolves, supporters trusts get laughed out of most clubs.
I.D I'm getting worried it's the 2nd time I've agreed with you within a month.
The Bhattis are the reason the counil own the land the Mol is built on
UNCLE REMUS
19-11-2006, 00:21
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It's obvious that the poster known as Uncle Remus is still bitter that he and his supporters trust chums were laughed out of the place by the people running the club and 99% of the fans. I suspect a few other posters were in that pro-trust group and are also bitter. Don't blame Wolves, supporters trusts get laughed out of most clubs.
It's not obvious if you read most of my posts this season. I don't know as there are to many supporters of the trust on this site. There are some that "drenched" the trusts web site with inane obscenities, but you learn to disregard "non face to face insults"
I like most attending fans am worried about the fall in gates.
I support the Parliament, it gets the fans involved which is all the Trust ever wanted
Yes I am an "Old Fart" as you put it, but I am an "Old Fart" thats followed the wolves for 50years. Have seen two league championship presentations, been too Wembley to see a Cup Final, have seen two league cup finals, Have seen Real Madrid, Barcelona.Europe in 1971-72 Have followed the club through the best years and the worst years, unlike many I wasn't at Chorley, but was on the ground when you could play a game of football on the South Bank. Went on marches and meetings in 1986.Even been top that $$$$ hole that is Barnsley
Had the best day of my life in footballing terms in 1988 at the Sherpa fan Trophy, had the second best day of my footballing life at Cardiff in 2003.Only to see the dreams of that day and the subsequent Wednesday drift away.
I think that with the money and time that I have put into Wolverhapmton Wanderers, to criticise when I want to and praise when I want.
What I don't want is insults and diatribes about me from people like you.I try not to get involved in slanging matches on this board 'cause they never prove anything, but in this particular case I'll make an exception.
Typically you still talk the same $$$$$$$$ that you have always talked, I would carry on supporting Barnsley, Dave.
It's obvious that the poster known as Uncle Remus is still bitter that he and his supporters trust chums were laughed out of the place by the people running the club and 99% of the fans. I suspect a few other posters were in that pro-trust group and are also bitter. Don't blame Wolves, supporters trusts get laughed out of most clubs.
It's not obvious if you read most of my posts this season. I don't know as there are to many supporters of the trust on this site. There are some that "drenched" the trusts web site with inane obscenities, but you learn to disregard "non face to face insults"
I like most attending fans am worried about the fall in gates.
I support the Parliament, it gets the fans involved which is all the Trust ever wanted
Yes I am an "Old Fart" as you put it, but I am an "Old Fart" thats followed the wolves for 50years. Have seen two league championship presentations, been too Wembley to see a Cup Final, have seen two league cup finals, Have seen Real Madrid, Barcelona.Europe in 1971-72 Have followed the club through the best years and the worst years, unlike many I wasn't at Chorley, but was on the ground when you could play a game of football on the South Bank. Went on marches and meetings in 1986.Even been top that $$$$ hole that is Barnsley
Had the best day of my life in footballing terms in 1988 at the Sherpa fan Trophy, had the second best day of my footballing life at Cardiff in 2003.Only to see the dreams of that day and the subsequent Wednesday drift away.
I think that with the money and time that I have put into Wolverhapmton Wanderers, to criticise when I want to and praise when I want.
What I don't want is insults and diatribes about me from people like you.I try not to get involved in slanging matches on this board 'cause they never prove anything, but in this particular case I'll make an exception.
Typically you still talk the same $$$$$$$$ that you have always talked, I would carry on supporting Barnsley, Dave.
Stewarton Wolf
19-11-2006, 00:28
I.D I'm getting worried it's the 2nd time I've agreed with you within a month.
The Bhattis are the reason the counil own the land the Mol is built on
hayward tried to buy the land from the council but they wouldn't sell to him, I wonder why?
The Bhattis are the reason the counil own the land the Mol is built on
hayward tried to buy the land from the council but they wouldn't sell to him, I wonder why?
Stewarton Wolf
19-11-2006, 00:32
It's not obvious if you read most of my posts this season.
I like most attending fans am worried about the fall in gates.
I support the Parliament, it gets the fans involved which is all the Trust ever wanted
Typically you still talk the same $$$$$$$$ that you have always talked, I would carry on supporting Barnsley, Dave.
Agree totally, they significant drop in attendances is a major flaw in the current Hayward pack the team with nobodies and no marks and they will still turn up. No dont think so. It would be interesting to see how many actually walk through the gates, instead of starting at a base of 14000+ season ticket holders.
I like most attending fans am worried about the fall in gates.
I support the Parliament, it gets the fans involved which is all the Trust ever wanted
Typically you still talk the same $$$$$$$$ that you have always talked, I would carry on supporting Barnsley, Dave.
Agree totally, they significant drop in attendances is a major flaw in the current Hayward pack the team with nobodies and no marks and they will still turn up. No dont think so. It would be interesting to see how many actually walk through the gates, instead of starting at a base of 14000+ season ticket holders.
gaz kford
19-11-2006, 00:32
hayward tried to buy the land from the council but they wouldn't sell to him, I wonder why?
I rest my case
I rest my case
UNCLE REMUS
19-11-2006, 00:42
Remember it well mate - we used to have a great laugh didnt we!!
Just aint the same anymore sadly - hope those days come back soon and we can all meet for beers in Cardiff next May!!!
We certainly did, I am sure that they will come back. Lets hope when they do. It champagne in a pub in Wolvo after getting automatic promotion.
Just aint the same anymore sadly - hope those days come back soon and we can all meet for beers in Cardiff next May!!!
We certainly did, I am sure that they will come back. Lets hope when they do. It champagne in a pub in Wolvo after getting automatic promotion.
I.D.
19-11-2006, 11:01
Uncle Remus,
I'm not doubting your credentials as a supporter, I'm saying that the real reason you and others have given up their season ticket is about football in general and not specific to Wolves.
Ticket prices are too high at Wolves, but they are too high at the vast majority of football clubs.
The players are over paid at Wolves, but the vast majority of football players in the top 4 leagues are over paid.
Wolves haven't enjoyed big success on the pitch for decades, get used to it. There are only half a dozen clubs in this country that have enjoyed sustained succes for any time in the last 40 years. Arsenal, Chelsea, Leeds, Liverpool, Man Utd and Nottingham Forest spring to mind, maybe Derby when Clough was there. Look where some teams on that list are now. What should the other teams do? Give up?
You say the management of Wolves is poor, was there a time since Cullis was sacked that it was good? How many football clubs out of the 92 could be considered well managed?
We sell good young players. Get over it, we always have done. We had to let one of our best players go to be able to afford to buy Andy gray. The vast majority of clubs have sold their best players at one time or other, why are several England internationals not playing for West Ham? They started their careers there and yet they now play for Spurs or Man Utd.
Are you really fed up with football in general and hanging the blame solely on Wolves?
Personally, I'm not happy with how football in general has gone, but I'm not going to blame Wolves specifically for that and I don't expect Wolves to unilaterally change to the way I think all football clubs should be.
I'm not doubting your credentials as a supporter, I'm saying that the real reason you and others have given up their season ticket is about football in general and not specific to Wolves.
Ticket prices are too high at Wolves, but they are too high at the vast majority of football clubs.
The players are over paid at Wolves, but the vast majority of football players in the top 4 leagues are over paid.
Wolves haven't enjoyed big success on the pitch for decades, get used to it. There are only half a dozen clubs in this country that have enjoyed sustained succes for any time in the last 40 years. Arsenal, Chelsea, Leeds, Liverpool, Man Utd and Nottingham Forest spring to mind, maybe Derby when Clough was there. Look where some teams on that list are now. What should the other teams do? Give up?
You say the management of Wolves is poor, was there a time since Cullis was sacked that it was good? How many football clubs out of the 92 could be considered well managed?
We sell good young players. Get over it, we always have done. We had to let one of our best players go to be able to afford to buy Andy gray. The vast majority of clubs have sold their best players at one time or other, why are several England internationals not playing for West Ham? They started their careers there and yet they now play for Spurs or Man Utd.
Are you really fed up with football in general and hanging the blame solely on Wolves?
Personally, I'm not happy with how football in general has gone, but I'm not going to blame Wolves specifically for that and I don't expect Wolves to unilaterally change to the way I think all football clubs should be.
John
19-11-2006, 11:37
I'm not doubting your credentials as a supporter, I'm saying that the real reason you and others have given up their season ticket is about football in general and not specific to Wolves.
Is there anything more arrogant than telling people how they think?
Is there anything more arrogant than telling people how they think?
Uncle Festa
19-11-2006, 11:56
Agree with everything you have said Remus, and your thoughts are the same echoed by everyone that sits round our bit of the South Bank. Like you, I used to go watching Wolves with 20+ mates in the 4th division days. Two of us left now, the others wouldn't come back if we were winning the Premiership - they have been lost for good. More worryingly, Wolves need to replace us with a younger generation who can bring renewed energy into the Molineux on match day. I just don't see it anymore - large groups of 15 - 16 year olds turning up to have a laugh with their mates. Pricing is a problem, so is all seater stadiums. Its sickening to walk down the street to see kids adorning Chelsea, Man Utd, and Liverpool tops. There is a large supporter base out there waiting to be tapped into - the club havn't got the first idea on how to attract them, let alone keep them, but hey were the 9th best run club in the country you know.
wolf of sedgley
19-11-2006, 12:07
Two of us left now, the others wouldn't come back if we were winning the Premiership - they have been lost for good.
Yeah yeah. I'm sure people were saying the same thing during the seasons before we got promoted- no one came back then did they?
Yeah yeah. I'm sure people were saying the same thing during the seasons before we got promoted- no one came back then did they?
John
19-11-2006, 12:28
Yeah yeah. I'm sure people were saying the same thing during the seasons before we got promoted- no one came back then did they?
We were cheap then
We were cheap then
UNCLE REMUS
19-11-2006, 14:20
Agree with everything you have said Remus, and your thoughts are the same echoed by everyone that sits round our bit of the South Bank. Like you, I used to go watching Wolves with 20+ mates in the 4th division days. Two of us left now, the others wouldn't come back if we were winning the Premiership - they have been lost for good. More worryingly, Wolves need to replace us with a younger generation who can bring renewed energy into the Molineux on match day. I just don't see it anymore - large groups of 15 - 16 year olds turning up to have a laugh with their mates. Pricing is a problem, so is all seater stadiums. Its sickening to walk down the street to see kids adorning Chelsea, Man Utd, and Liverpool tops. There is a large supporter base out there waiting to be tapped into - the club havn't got the first idea on how to attract them, let alone keep them, but hey were the 9th best run club in the country you know.
I will also try and cover some of the points made by I. D
When I have spoken to anyone in the know at Wolves they admit they have a data base of at least 50,000 supporters, admittedly that is world wide. On top of that there are other supporters that have been driven away over the years. After we won at Cardiff there was talk of over a 100,000 fans in the Town Centre. We took how many thousands to the Sherpa Van Final. You talk to guys now that haven't been to the Wolves since the late 1980's.
The support is there and I am sure will come back. Wolverhampton is a footballing town, the fans need to know that they are not been taken advantage of.
We have all been in coach cavalcades to out of the way places. I remember the cup semi final at Villa Park, couldn't believe where people came from and a lot hadn't got a ticket, they were there for the atmosphere.
We still are a "sleeping giant".
Perhaps that Mcarthy will find the magic formula, but the management of the club need to support him, especially if we are withing striking distance of promotion at Christmas.
What I do fear is, despite the club going down a route that many fans have craved for years that it has all come to late. It is obvious that for whatever reason whether it is lethargy with football itself of dis- enchantment specifically with the Wolves, that the lifeblood of the club, specifically the fans looks to be drifting away. Without that much needed revenue, even if we got to the Premiership would be in a position to support life in the division.
I think we will get there but it will be a long slow process this time and fans should be made aware of that.
The club has not been well run since the days of Cullis, I have just been reading a book about George Best and Duncan Edwards, who both incidently were Wolves fans. In the book it compares the way that Man Utd were run to clubs like the Wolves and the book openly states that the Wolves were a much more progressive club. How the mighty have fallen. Since 1964 the club has not known how to handle its finances or its players, with the exeption of perhaps for two brief interludes between 1970 and 1974 and between 1986 and 1990.
I want my club, because that after all is what it is to be great again. That all I ask. I know many people will say that that is most of the problem, the Clubs History, but that has not prevented clubs Like Villa, Newcastle, Arsenal, Tottenham, Man Ure maintaining their success.
I will also try and cover some of the points made by I. D
When I have spoken to anyone in the know at Wolves they admit they have a data base of at least 50,000 supporters, admittedly that is world wide. On top of that there are other supporters that have been driven away over the years. After we won at Cardiff there was talk of over a 100,000 fans in the Town Centre. We took how many thousands to the Sherpa Van Final. You talk to guys now that haven't been to the Wolves since the late 1980's.
The support is there and I am sure will come back. Wolverhampton is a footballing town, the fans need to know that they are not been taken advantage of.
We have all been in coach cavalcades to out of the way places. I remember the cup semi final at Villa Park, couldn't believe where people came from and a lot hadn't got a ticket, they were there for the atmosphere.
We still are a "sleeping giant".
Perhaps that Mcarthy will find the magic formula, but the management of the club need to support him, especially if we are withing striking distance of promotion at Christmas.
What I do fear is, despite the club going down a route that many fans have craved for years that it has all come to late. It is obvious that for whatever reason whether it is lethargy with football itself of dis- enchantment specifically with the Wolves, that the lifeblood of the club, specifically the fans looks to be drifting away. Without that much needed revenue, even if we got to the Premiership would be in a position to support life in the division.
I think we will get there but it will be a long slow process this time and fans should be made aware of that.
The club has not been well run since the days of Cullis, I have just been reading a book about George Best and Duncan Edwards, who both incidently were Wolves fans. In the book it compares the way that Man Utd were run to clubs like the Wolves and the book openly states that the Wolves were a much more progressive club. How the mighty have fallen. Since 1964 the club has not known how to handle its finances or its players, with the exeption of perhaps for two brief interludes between 1970 and 1974 and between 1986 and 1990.
I want my club, because that after all is what it is to be great again. That all I ask. I know many people will say that that is most of the problem, the Clubs History, but that has not prevented clubs Like Villa, Newcastle, Arsenal, Tottenham, Man Ure maintaining their success.
Deutsch Wolf
19-11-2006, 14:23
I want my club, because that after all is what it is to be great again. That all I ask. I know many people will say that that is most of the problem, the Clubs History, but that has not prevented clubs Like Villa, Newcastle, Arsenal, Tottenham, Man Ure maintaining their success.
Do you think Villa fans were happy with Doug Ellis? Or Newcastle fans are content with Freddy Shepherd? Spurs were insolvent 15 years ago, it's hardly fair to say that they've been well run.
It's far too simplistic to say that we've been largely unsuccessful because we've been 'badly run'.
Do you think Villa fans were happy with Doug Ellis? Or Newcastle fans are content with Freddy Shepherd? Spurs were insolvent 15 years ago, it's hardly fair to say that they've been well run.
It's far too simplistic to say that we've been largely unsuccessful because we've been 'badly run'.
Stewarton Wolf
19-11-2006, 14:32
Do you think Villa fans were happy with Doug Ellis? Or Newcastle fans are content with Freddy Shepherd? Spurs were insolvent 15 years ago, it's hardly fair to say that they've been well run.
It's far too simplistic to say that we've been largely unsuccessful because we've been 'badly run'.
Why have we been unsuccessful then? Maybe we are just unlucky or could it be that we do not have a business plan and lurch from crisis to crisis.
It's far too simplistic to say that we've been largely unsuccessful because we've been 'badly run'.
Why have we been unsuccessful then? Maybe we are just unlucky or could it be that we do not have a business plan and lurch from crisis to crisis.
UNCLE REMUS
19-11-2006, 14:32
Do you think Villa fans were happy with Doug Ellis? Or Newcastle fans are content with Freddy Shepherd? Spurs were insolvent 15 years ago, it's hardly fair to say that they've been well run.
It's far too simplistic to say that we've been largely unsuccessful because we've been 'badly run'.
I think that you can get 4 Wolves fans around a table in a pub and you will get four diffrent outlooks on the club. It is the want of most fans to praise the club when it's doing well and to damn it when it's not doing well.
I think the most fans of the clubs that you have mentioned have praised and damned the clubs. But the one sure fact now is with the clubs that you have mentioned is that they have maintained life in the premiership, despite lack of success, but I am sure we as Wolves fans would have accepted that position at least for starters.
The difference is that Villa have just been sold for 60 + million, Newcastle are being hunted foe some ludicrous amount and I think Spurs are exceptionally well run now.
I don't think in our case it is to simplistic, we have been badly run and I am sure that in a quieter momement Jack would admit that and so would the ghosts of other managers and chairmen since 1964.
It's far too simplistic to say that we've been largely unsuccessful because we've been 'badly run'.
I think that you can get 4 Wolves fans around a table in a pub and you will get four diffrent outlooks on the club. It is the want of most fans to praise the club when it's doing well and to damn it when it's not doing well.
I think the most fans of the clubs that you have mentioned have praised and damned the clubs. But the one sure fact now is with the clubs that you have mentioned is that they have maintained life in the premiership, despite lack of success, but I am sure we as Wolves fans would have accepted that position at least for starters.
The difference is that Villa have just been sold for 60 + million, Newcastle are being hunted foe some ludicrous amount and I think Spurs are exceptionally well run now.
I don't think in our case it is to simplistic, we have been badly run and I am sure that in a quieter momement Jack would admit that and so would the ghosts of other managers and chairmen since 1964.
Florida Wolfey
19-11-2006, 14:43
Interesting thread and one the owners of the club should take great interest in. Naturally when attendances start to fall it's easy to say that the cost of attending is too high. However, the real reason attendances are falling is because the quality of the product doesn't meet the price point.
We have had a season like most before...only this time we don't have the high wage earners sucking blood. It's times like this that the club needs their supporter base but until the club becomes experts at conveying that combined with a positive message we shall continue to see such apathy a$$$$st the supporter base.
So, for sake of argument, if the club cut prices by 5 quid per game do you think we'd get some of the supporters back?
We have had a season like most before...only this time we don't have the high wage earners sucking blood. It's times like this that the club needs their supporter base but until the club becomes experts at conveying that combined with a positive message we shall continue to see such apathy a$$$$st the supporter base.
So, for sake of argument, if the club cut prices by 5 quid per game do you think we'd get some of the supporters back?
Essex Wolf
19-11-2006, 14:45
Going back to the threads subject.....
I have been a season ticket holder 20 + years
When I started going there was about 6 of us (84/5 ish)
When Wolves finished the Jack Harris Stand I got 10 seats in the middle of the stand (I had contacts in the club at this time)
At this time there was 20 - 26 of us who used to meet for a beer and stuff and enjoy the game and banter etc.
Now out of those 26 there are 3 of us. And of the guys who dont turn up anymore, none of them are even bothered to come back as they have found better things to do with their money.
Now I havent a clue how the club will get them back - and to be honest I dont think they ever will.
The future is in the kids......... so why are we still pricing them out the game?
Yours living in a sea of Man U and Chelsea shirts
Noka
Good post Noka and know exactly what you saying. Many of those I know who have chosen to stay away have not taken the decision lightly but are sick and tired of seeing this once great club poorly managed and when it's down on its knees those who can help don't.
The attitude, sadly, of some fans is why should we put money in if the clubs only obvious policy is to save save save and sell its best.
I have been a season ticket holder 20 + years
When I started going there was about 6 of us (84/5 ish)
When Wolves finished the Jack Harris Stand I got 10 seats in the middle of the stand (I had contacts in the club at this time)
At this time there was 20 - 26 of us who used to meet for a beer and stuff and enjoy the game and banter etc.
Now out of those 26 there are 3 of us. And of the guys who dont turn up anymore, none of them are even bothered to come back as they have found better things to do with their money.
Now I havent a clue how the club will get them back - and to be honest I dont think they ever will.
The future is in the kids......... so why are we still pricing them out the game?
Yours living in a sea of Man U and Chelsea shirts
Noka
Good post Noka and know exactly what you saying. Many of those I know who have chosen to stay away have not taken the decision lightly but are sick and tired of seeing this once great club poorly managed and when it's down on its knees those who can help don't.
The attitude, sadly, of some fans is why should we put money in if the clubs only obvious policy is to save save save and sell its best.
derbyrameater
19-11-2006, 15:56
For me personally it is the cost, not what the team is made up of,apart from watching the Wolves I have always gone to see local football where ever I have lived. I do not do either anymore. Last season Derby did a £10 entry for an earthquake appeal, I went with some friends who have not been to a game for many years, To quote them "would not pay £10 to watch that rubbish"..
I would gladly pay a tenner to watch the Wolves on a Saturday with no stars.
I would gladly pay a tenner to watch the Wolves on a Saturday with no stars.
I.D.
19-11-2006, 18:55
Is there anything more arrogant than telling people how they think?
How am I telling UR how he thinks? I've listed the main greivances he has with the club and pointed out that it's a football-wide problem and not just a problem with Wolves.
How am I telling UR how he thinks? I've listed the main greivances he has with the club and pointed out that it's a football-wide problem and not just a problem with Wolves.
John
20-11-2006, 07:15
the real reason attendances are falling is because the quality of the product doesn't meet the price point.
Exactly. Either lower prices or get better players to get the punters in.
So, for sake of argument, if the club cut prices by 5 quid per game do you think we'd get some of the supporters back?
Look at the tickets sold for Friday night
Exactly. Either lower prices or get better players to get the punters in.
So, for sake of argument, if the club cut prices by 5 quid per game do you think we'd get some of the supporters back?
Look at the tickets sold for Friday night
ROVERT47
20-11-2006, 07:41
Maybe i need counselling,i,along with my youngest son have had season tickets since i was able to take him in the Family Enclosure.
When you consider that he he is now 26,thats some time.
We never contemplate the thought of not going anymore and at the beginning of every season are always raring to go.
I guess we just consider ouselves as Wolves supporters who support the team rather than the Club.(if that makes sense)
When you consider that he he is now 26,thats some time.
We never contemplate the thought of not going anymore and at the beginning of every season are always raring to go.
I guess we just consider ouselves as Wolves supporters who support the team rather than the Club.(if that makes sense)
JAIRDUCOCHET
20-11-2006, 12:38
I am sorry to say that whatever happens this season I will not be renewing , most of the people we used to go with no longer come, the atmosphere of the day has now gone for me , also I have been going to see Chasetown play in the Mids div of the Southern league and rediscovered that football can be fun , there is good banter with players and fans from opposing sides , they all go in the bar after the game and it's only a fiver to get in. At the Colchester match we got a £30 parking tocket after the game, another nail in the coffin as we now have to pay £3 to park the car each match.
JR's Boots
20-11-2006, 15:49
Good thread.
Cost is the major factor for me, especially the junior pricing. I have 3 boys who are the budding generation of Wolves fans for the future, but are currently priced out of attending regularly.
This is endemic of the short sighted myopic, strategic management of the Hayward era. As a club they have to attract and retain a future fan base. WWFC need to reduce prices for kids along with demonstrating to the older farts a$$$$st us that there is a long term vision for our once great club
Cost is the major factor for me, especially the junior pricing. I have 3 boys who are the budding generation of Wolves fans for the future, but are currently priced out of attending regularly.
This is endemic of the short sighted myopic, strategic management of the Hayward era. As a club they have to attract and retain a future fan base. WWFC need to reduce prices for kids along with demonstrating to the older farts a$$$$st us that there is a long term vision for our once great club
ronaldinho's dentist
20-11-2006, 18:13
cost is a major factor to me ...football is , I think, becoming far too costly and ,as I mentioned on a previous thread I believe footballers earn far too much money.
If sky's money has generated those earnings capabilities why do I also have to subsidise it as well?
I have a 12 year old who is footie mad and desperate to go to more games but realistically I cannot afford it/need to do other things with my money.
The club have, I believe, admitted they have got the child pricing structure wrong , so are they going to do something about it this season??...probably not..and I admit it would be difficult ...but maybe they should?
Finally I just feel we need to try and get one or two signings that would generate the interest that is still lacking in some quarters...I'm not advocating a return to the kennedy days by any means but there is a vast range inbetween then and now with planty of scope in between!
Is this contradictory with asking for cheaper tickets whilst asking for money to be spent ?.
Perhaps it is ...but finances vs football seems to be a hard juggling
act ...
Maybe mr moxey needs to look at what balls he's juggling with ..thats what he's paid for !
If sky's money has generated those earnings capabilities why do I also have to subsidise it as well?
I have a 12 year old who is footie mad and desperate to go to more games but realistically I cannot afford it/need to do other things with my money.
The club have, I believe, admitted they have got the child pricing structure wrong , so are they going to do something about it this season??...probably not..and I admit it would be difficult ...but maybe they should?
Finally I just feel we need to try and get one or two signings that would generate the interest that is still lacking in some quarters...I'm not advocating a return to the kennedy days by any means but there is a vast range inbetween then and now with planty of scope in between!
Is this contradictory with asking for cheaper tickets whilst asking for money to be spent ?.
Perhaps it is ...but finances vs football seems to be a hard juggling
act ...
Maybe mr moxey needs to look at what balls he's juggling with ..thats what he's paid for !
