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Less than 1600 tickets sold for a local derby, not on TV and on a Saturday.
The tickets, compared to everywhere else, aren't that much more... a telling indication of how far we have slipped as a club both on and off the field.
Even when we were going through all the frustrations and disapointments of trying to get out of this league, at least we boasted a really good away following.
The heart has been ripped out the club and the reality is that we're not even a big club in this hell hole of a league anymore.
Cheers Hoddle/Moxey/Players/Football in general (Delete as applicable)
ROVERT47
17-11-2006, 09:39
£30.to go to that S$$$ole probably has more to do with it..
£30.to go to that S$$$ole probably has more to do with it..
Easy excuse, but it's only a couple of quid extra than Southampton and the Wolves.
Not having a go at people not going as we all have different personal circumstances to deal with, just using it as a sign of how the heart has been ripped out of our club.
Deutsch Wolf
17-11-2006, 09:48
£30.00 to sit in a crap stand, with the joys of navigating through crowds of the most idiotic fans in the country before and after the game, coupled with a 12pm start on a Saturday?
No thanks.
Jack Regan
17-11-2006, 09:48
Think personally it's more to do with the fact we have lost 5 away on the spin. And were probably gonna get a kicking, as Birmingham are in excellent form.
I think it's part of a general malaise in the game. There's no single reason why this has happened, it's just that people can't see the rationality of spending £££ when they're not guaranteed a good time. If you go to the theatre, you know what you're getting, buy a videogame for the same price and you can be entertained for ages, rent a football pitch and you're going to be involved for 90 mins more fully than watching from the sidelines.
I speak for myself, but I think I speak for most, I'm disenchanted with football and think that it's a horrible sport to watch with win-at-any-costs mentality, managers whining about refereeing decisions and those knob jockey's on MOTD 2 talking about ANYTHING apart from the actual game of football. It's really a distasteful, and I'm surprised that it's taken this long for football to eat itself.
Great game. Atrocious sport.
Bugsy911
17-11-2006, 09:51
Well for the last 20 years I missed only a handfull of home games and travelled away as much as possible including going to the Blues in our premiership season , even then we didnt sell out our allocation and we still stood a chance of staying up....that IMHO was shocking support for the team when we needed it.
As for now , Im no longer a season ticket holder and havent been to a game this season , I still keep more than a keen eye on results but are no longer "adicted" to the great game.........last season was 1 to many for me and I stopped enjoying it and despite the team doing very well have no intentions of paying to watch what in all honesty is nothing more than a bunch of journeymen thrown in with a few kids.
Think personally it's more to do with the fact we have lost 5 away on the spin. And were probably gonna get a kicking, as Birmingham are in excellent form.
Appreciate what your saying, but isn't that what supporting your team is all about?
I speak for myself, but I think I speak for most, I'm disenchanted with football and think that it's a horrible sport to watch with win-at-any-costs mentality, managers whining about refereeing decisions and those knob jockey's on MOTD 2 talking about ANYTHING apart from the actual game of football. It's really a distasteful, and I'm surprised that it's taken this long for football to eat itself.
Great game. Atrocious sport.[/quote]
Excellent point. I suppose for me it's more than just the game; its about meeting up with your mates and having a few drinks in a place where you don't normally go (okay Birmingham doesn't fit in this category).
Essex Wolf
17-11-2006, 09:56
When I read the article Jack I had similar views and feelings. If it were on TV and a couple hundred miles between the clubs it would be understandable but its not and there's about 15 miles between them.Most fans will travel less distance than any other away game bar going to the Poorthorns.
I don't think the extra few quid Blouse charge compared with most other clubs has a lot to do with it because most Wolves supporters will save a lot more on fuel costs.
Sad to say it's a sign of the abject apathy that now pervades this once famous club.
I imagine a few more fans will decide to turn up and pay on the day with the eventual following being nearer 2000?? Thing is it wasn't so long ago I can recall the Wolves away support being one of the best in the CCC, now it's mediocre at best.
Maybe some will now start to see and realise the clubs actions in some areas and inactions in others is taking a toll that is having a negative effect which could take many years, if ever, to rectify.
Flitwick Wolf
17-11-2006, 10:15
Easy excuse, but it's only a couple of quid extra than Southampton.....
But that wasn't a month before Christmas.
It's a mix of what everyone is saying.
Too expensive
Poor away record
Hostile environment with dopy $$$$ fans
$$$$ ground
Everyone has been there numerous times in the past
12pm kick off
But that wasn't a month before Christmas.
It's a mix of what everyone is saying.
Too expensive
Poor away record
Hostile environment with dopy $$$$ fans
$$$$ ground
Everyone has been there numerous times in the past
12pm kick off
Hostile a few years back, but it's more like morgue these days.
Essex Wolf
17-11-2006, 10:31
But that wasn't a month before Christmas.
It's a mix of what everyone is saying.
Too expensive
Poor away record
Hostile environment with dopy $$$$ fans
$$$$ ground
Everyone has been there numerous times in the past
12pm kick off
Some fair points FW but isn't support all about giving it no matter what?
No matter what reasons or excuses people want to put forward the fact is that many Wolves fans have lost and are continuing to lose interest in the club.
I'm sure, and sincerely hope, the Molineux hierarchy can see and feel the general malaise that now pervades the club and take positive steps to sort matters. However I sadly fear with their curent attitude, approach and policies they won't and I'm beginning to wonder if hey actually care anyway.
Whilst the board is maybe full of Wolves fans I question their interest. As a long time loyal supporter I'm sick of what has gone on the past few years and want to see improvement and positive change and I would hope any real Wolves supporter would feel likewise. With the club run as it is nowadays I see little chance of improvement and positivity is a word missing from the boardroom.
Bill McCai
17-11-2006, 10:35
Some fair points FW but isn't support all about giving it no matter what?
No matter what reasons or excuses people want to put forward the fact is that many Wolves fans have lost and are continuing to lose interest in the club.
I'm sure, and sincerely hope, the Molineux hierarchy can see and feel the general malaise that now pervades the club and take positive steps to sort matters. However I sadly fear with their curent attitude, approach and policies they won't and I'm beginning to wonder if hey actually care anyway.
Whilst the board is maybe full of Wolves fans I question their interest. As a long time loyal supporter I'm sick of what has gone on the past few years and want to see improvement and positive change and I would hope any real Wolves supporter would feel likewise. With the club run as it is nowadays I see little chance of improvement and positivity is a word missing from the boardroom.
To show you they are 'interested' what would they have to do? Seriously.
Please try and give specific answers as they read this board.
Big Saft Kid
17-11-2006, 10:40
Blimey, what doom and gloom! I bet you'll all be back on here crowing on Saturday afternoon when we nick a 1-0 win.
Hibbitt was King
17-11-2006, 10:41
But that wasn't a month before Christmas.
It's a mix of what everyone is saying.
Too expensive
Poor away record
Hostile environment with dopy $$$$ fans
$$$$ ground
Everyone has been there numerous times in the past
12pm kick off
...and the least realistic prospect of promotion in many years.:(
Essex Wolf
17-11-2006, 10:44
To show you they are 'interested' what would they have to do? Seriously.
Read the board you say. If so they take sod all notice then. Maybe next season when ST sales are down to about 12000 and average gates are around the 15000 mark they may wake up and see the reality they are helping create.
As regards your question though BM. I'd like to see them adopt a more middle of the road approach Bill and in so doing show a tad more interest and commitment.
Going from spending millions to next to nowt is having IMHO an adverse effect on the club and all this frugal approach is achieving is to drive more fans away.
The club has already lost approx £2M via the turnstiles through lost support and gates are not getting better and will only get worse. Tomorrows away following at Blues so far is a good indicator IMV of how the fans are losing interest. If the club don't do something positive and soon things will just get worse and worse.
Not for a second asking or suggesting SJH throws in millions but the club has a new board of mostly Wolves fans yet the penny pinching continues whilst the club loses ground and support.
Either the board back the manager fully and push the club on or they sit back and do nowt and the club fails. Just now it is for me failing in most all areas and the sooner a new owner with new ambition takes over the better.
Flitwick Wolf
17-11-2006, 10:47
Some fair points FW but isn't support all about giving it no matter what?
No matter what reasons or excuses people want to put forward the fact is that many Wolves fans have lost and are continuing to lose interest in the club.
There are limits with everything. Fans will only accept so much before thinking $$$$-it, I'll spend some time at home this weekend.
You seem to suggest that this is a Wolves only related problem. It isn't.
If the game was a 3pm kick off in March at £20 a ticket they'd be more there.
EddieClamp-tops
17-11-2006, 10:49
To show you they are 'interested' what would they have to do? Seriously.
Please try and give specific answers as they read this board.
Reduce prices for a start. Now I know that is impossible halfway through a season but it should have been done for the season we came back into this division. Prices should also have been frozen for this season, after all the club got rid of a dozen star players and replaced them with young unknowns.
Before anyone starts to call me a fool for saying that, I fully agree with what generally happened to the playing staff - replacing expensive hasbeens with young and hungry players - but if for example a theatre staged a play/musical without well known stars then the ticket prices would reflect that. Ours don't!
EasternWolf
17-11-2006, 10:50
Reality check needed by you and others Essex. You cant just toss in tabloid headlines as reasons. Be specific.
I am as pleased as hell that the club is in a stage of re-development, financial stability and building from the bottom with young players. Of course it takes time, but you have to base it on sound financial management.
Bill McCai
17-11-2006, 10:50
In all seriousness where is a new owner going to come from? I think they would have made their interest known by now wouldn’t they? Please note I am not trying to argue.
At the fans meeting Moxey said he realises the club 'needs cash'. But do you really believe there are that many people out there willing to write of millions of pounds in return for being involved with Wolves ( and football )? Of course, as Wolves fans, we all think if we had £15m we would invest and give MM £5m or whatever to sign some players. But why would an investor with no allegiance to Wolves be interested in putting in millions into a Championship side?
Hibbitt was King
17-11-2006, 10:52
Reduce prices for a start. Now I know that is impossible halfway through a season but it should have been done for the season we came back into this division. Prices should also have been frozen for this season, after all the club got rid of a dozen star players and replaced them with young unknowns.
Before anyone starts to call me a fool for saying that, I fully agree with what generally happened to the playing staff - replacing expensive hasbeens with young and hungry players - but if for example a theatre staged a play/musical without well known stars then the ticket prices would reflect that. Ours don't!
I suppose Moxey calculated that he would get more revenue with the prices he set, rather than by reducing prices and expecting a few more on the attendance.
...and the least realistic prospect of promotion in many years.:(
We're actually doing better than we were at this point last season and the season before.:)
Hibbitt was King
17-11-2006, 10:56
We're actually doing better than we were at this point last season and the season before.:)
You are of course right, but I don't feel supporters expect promotion this time. In previous years, I always felt supporters expected it would come right in May, deluded as that expectation mostly was.
Essex Wolf
17-11-2006, 10:58
BM, I know and accept a new owner is unlikely but could that be because the club is not that interesting a prospect? If so then the board have to take full responsibility.
Easternwolf, I've not thrown in any headlines just saying what I feel the board should do.
FW, you say it isn't just a Wolves related problem, well yes to a degree you are right but how come teams below Wolves can still attract bigger gates, IE Ipswich, Norwich, Sunderland and Sheff Wed etc? Not so very long ago Wolves would have seen bigger gates at Molineux than most of those listed at their own ground.
I believe the current owner and boards past and present over he last few years are responsible for the malaise that now permeates the club.
gornal wolf
17-11-2006, 11:01
didnt the blues-albion game recently get a gate of 18,000 at st andrews?
Going from spending millions to next to nowt is having IMHO an adverse effect on the club and all this frugal approach is achieving is to drive more fans away.
Not for a second asking or suggesting SJH throws in millions but the club has a new board of mostly Wolves fans yet the penny pinching continues whilst the club loses ground and support.
Either the board back the manager fully and push the club on or they sit back and do nowt and the club fails. Just now it is for me failing in most all areas and the sooner a new owner with new ambition takes over the better.
We are actually doing quite a bit better this season than the last time we spent a lot of money, which was at the start of the 04/05 season. I suppose you would put that down to having a poor manager, although his current team is actually doing quite a bit better this season than the one he managed in 04/05 and on far less money.
It does seem that the approach of spending a lot of money to impress fans doesn't actually work in terms of league position.
didnt the blues-albion game recently get a gate of 18,000 at st andrews?
If it did, I blame the Albion board.
We improved on our start to the 04/05 season last season and we have improved again this year. All whilst radically reducing the average age of our squad and also reducing our massively over-inflated wage bill. Thanks to the thread starter for bringing this to our attention, things are looking up. Even if we lose tomorrow in front of less than 2,000 of our own fans, we are still improving on last season. Wolverhampton Wanderers is dead....long live the new Wolverhampton Wanderers!
BlahBlah
17-11-2006, 11:29
Well for the last 20 years I missed only a handfull of home games and travelled away as much as possible including going to the Blues in our premiership season , even then we didnt sell out our allocation and we still stood a chance of staying up....that IMHO was shocking support for the team when we needed it.
I'd been to Blues for years and years, when the bstads used to get 6000 and begged for away fans.
That season Brady wanted £38 a ticket, between a crap Birmingham and a crap Wolves, so i decided on principal that she could stick it up her hairy $$$$. Coming just after Liverpool, Man City and Chelsea it just wasn't attractive enough to justify that price........and if you had to pick 3 out of 4......well St Andrew's came a very distant 4th.
First game i ever didn't go to on cost grounds, but i've grown to like the experience since. Keep it up for another season and ticket prices WILL start to drop.
paddingtonwolf
17-11-2006, 11:35
I wonder of the Brady $$$$ actually is particularly hairy?
maybe we could ask Vis to investigate?
BlahBlah
17-11-2006, 11:44
How does he know...?
I've got her personal email address actually. Give me time to run to a very anonymous dialup cafe and i might ask her meself...
paddingtonwolf
17-11-2006, 11:46
vis is an expert on arses
he likes them
lots
BlahBlah
17-11-2006, 11:53
Lol. Just going out for a lunch with a naive young financial assistant from the office.
I call her Peaches and she thinks it's because she has rosy cheeks. It's great.
It's hardly the death of WWFC that less than 2,000 are going tomorrow as stated in the thread.
In 97 (I think) we played them on a Sunday, Naylors debut, and we only took about a 1,000. I'd just got back from Italy v England in Rome with Hoddle in charge. (yes, it was a draw) !!
OK it was on TV I suppose but our away support hasn't always been fantastic you know.
It's easy to get out of the habit of going, especially when we've spent about 19 of the last 20 seasons in this awful division Everyone's done it and got the t-shirt and very few games are actually entertaining or enjoyable IMO.
I cant even be arsed to watch live games on the TV anymore, football has been saturated on TV and in general hype. I thought the World Cup might change my opinion and love of the game but that was bloody awful as well.
Twickers anyone?
We improved on our start to the 04/05 season last season and we have improved again this year. All whilst radically reducing the average age of our squad and also reducing our massively over-inflated wage bill. Thanks to the thread starter for bringing this to our attention, things are looking up. Even if we lose tomorrow in front of less than 2,000 of our own fans, we are still improving on last season. Wolverhampton Wanderers is dead....long live the new Wolverhampton Wanderers!
So why isn't this new look Wolves attracting the fans ID.
Admittedly we made a decent start, but looking how close the league is and our current form, give it four more games and we will probably be looking over our shoulders at the relegation spots.
derbyrameater
17-11-2006, 12:31
For Hairy $$$$ fans http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2005/photocopier-prank-p1.php mods etc its not rude..
Bill McCai
17-11-2006, 12:33
So why isn't this new look Wolves attracting the fans ID.
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What would crowds have been had Hoddle remained in charge?
What would crowds have been had Hoddle remained in charge?
Difficult one, probably a bit lower maybe.
I'm not disputing the fact that 'the chin' has put us back about five years, but I was just alluding to the fact that if things are so good why aren't more people attending games?
It does seem that the approach of spending a lot of money to impress fans doesn't actually work in terms of league position.
Works in terms of attendances though. So as it is self finanacing what, other than a perverse loyalty to the board (from a man who was going to watch Barnsley unless he got his own way and the board sacked Hoddle), have you got against it?
harriswolf
17-11-2006, 12:47
Everyone will have their own take on this but I'm not shocked that tickets are still available.
This season I've been taking my son and he's been loving it - Wolves have won on each occassion - he shouts and screams - eats a huge burger and has a really good time.
I would NEVER take him to a match at Blues no matter how good we were. Some scenes there between rival "fans" over the years have been awful.
I think it's more to do with the death of football than the death of WWFC.
When I started going regularly in the mid 80's it was £3 to stand on the southbank. I could get the train from Telford, a couple of pints, a pastie and a program for around a tenner. The players were more like regular people, not millionaires by the age of 20 after winning NOTHING!
I'm getting bored with football in general. I don't watch MOTD that much any more, I thought the world cup was boring, and I'm seriously thinking of giving up my ST because I can think of more entertaining things to do on a Saturday.
Other people have mentioned it, it's balancing value for money with entertainment. Football is not value for money at the moment.
Florida Wolfey
17-11-2006, 13:22
I am as pleased as hell that the club is in a stage of re-development, financial stability and building from the bottom with young players. Of course it takes time, but you have to base it on sound financial management.
And that really is the reality of the situation. The club is in a new era and its customers generally realise this. As a result they've decided to pick and choose their games and who can blame them?
The title of this thread is "The Death of WW" but really it should be entitled the "Rebirth of WW". We're in a new era. One where only JM communicates with the fans whilst his fellow Board members bed in. In fact, I think they've done that so well, they've fallen asleep....much like some of the supporters.
I suppose for the next two years we have to put up with the views of those supporters who love to promote doom and gloom. I just wish the Board would give us a statement of intent in order to shut those supporters up. All we want to see is some damn leadership from someone on the Board other than JM.
I know some folks knock him and I certainly question him at times, but this guy can only manage with the tools provided to him. It's time we heard from the other Board members of their vision for the club.
Good post Eastern....save it will you and bring it up on a regular basis?
EasternWolf
17-11-2006, 13:26
That season Brady wanted £38 a ticket, between a crap Birmingham and a crap Wolves, so i decided on principal that she could stick it up her hairy $$$$. .
Come on Blah Blah - dont hold it back. Say what you mean!!
Bend It Like Dennison
17-11-2006, 13:38
So why isn't this new look Wolves attracting the fans ID?
I'll field this one...
It's because Jack we're boring as $$$$$$$ to watch. Not one star player to get the pulses racing & as you say, probably only a couple of defeats away from a relegation dog fight. Its bleak times, bleak times indeed.
Having said that, Im still going tomorrow. I quite like the fact that we're right up against it, a bit like when we turned up at Man United in our solo Premiership season. I love the whole Black Country versus the dirty Brummies thing.
Its quite funny, alot of the posters on this thread are there with their chests pushed out, bragging about the fact that they 'have better things to do with their Saturday afternoon' & that they wont pay £30 to go to a game 'on princaple' are the same head-in-the-sand posterss that think all is rosey & that Hayward & Moxey n co are just fabulous & its football in general thats on the decline, not just Wolverhampton Wanderers.
Wake up. Dig deep for your £30 & get down there tomorrow. Then after we've been n*bbed 3-0 come on here & tell us all how everythings going to be allright.
The powers that be are just not interested in the fans anymore and the cost of the games. We are paying for those players with porsches, beamers etc and do they care? Course Not.
Make it 15 quid a game and I will go more.
What would crowds have been had Hoddle remained in charge?
numerically attendences may not even have come into that category:
psychologically they would have been depressive manics
19th Holer
17-11-2006, 14:10
Think personally it's more to do with the fact we have lost 5 away on the spin. And were probably gonna get a kicking, as Birmingham are in excellent form.
This is part of the reason but as DW says, £30 to go to that godforsaken place and knowing that they've offered their own fans a far better ticket deal.
No, the days of being ripped off by other greedy football clubs are gone.
Plus bloody 12.00 kick-off !!!!
****Play-off appearances excepted****
And that really is the reality of the situation. The club is in a new era and its customers generally realise this. As a result they've decided to pick and choose their games and who can blame them?
The title of this thread is "The Death of WW" but really it should be entitled the "Rebirth of WW". We're in a new era. One where only JM communicates with the fans whilst his fellow Board members bed in. In fact, I think they've done that so well, they've fallen asleep....much like some of the supporters.
I suppose for the next two years we have to put up with the views of those supporters who love to promote doom and gloom. I just wish the Board would give us a statement of intent in order to shut those supporters up. All we want to see is some damn leadership from someone on the Board other than JM.
I know some folks knock him and I certainly question him at times, but this guy can only manage with the tools provided to him. It's time we heard from the other Board members of their vision for the club.
Good post Eastern....save it will you and bring it up on a regular basis?
It's amazing that the people who dispel doom and gloom actually go the games and the people who are all rosy about the future sit 10,000 miles away in front of a keyboard and predict a whole new era for the club.
I'm all for a new approach, but lets not kid ourselves. Barring the first few games of the season, the football we are playing is dire and looking at the squad there are very few alternatives that you could bring in to make it better.
Yes I know the squad has been stripped bare, but with the exception of Breen and Henry, MM's attempt to bring new players in has resulted in Clapham, Potter, Mulgrew and Wheater. The jury is still out on Bothroyd and Johnson needs to add more end product to his game.
Our current healthy positon owes a great deal to a $$$$ poor league, a wonder goal from Bothroyd against Leeds and a few scrappy 1-0 wins that could have gone either way. As I've said, a few more losses and we'll be just outside the relegation places.
Off the pitch, apathy is rife and I can't remember another season in the last 20 that has started with so much resentment and lack of excitement before. A lot of this is still the Hoddle effect admittedly, but little has been done to try and generate a bit of momentum.
Yes resources are tight and we lost a number of players in the Summer, but we are still better placed than a lot of teams in the division. Who else has got a £7m forward on their books, England's future No1, International defenders in all positions and a £1.7m Nigerian playmaker.
Positivity is all well and good, with the right dose of realism.
Bill McCai
17-11-2006, 14:56
It's amazing that the people who dispel doom and gloom actually go the games and the people who are all rosy about the future sit 10,000 miles away in front of a keyboard and predict a whole new era for the club.
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Everyones a winner then. Whats the problem?
Everyones a winner then. Whats the problem?
No problem whatsoever BM, simply making the point that if you've actually seen the way we're playing everything may not seem as rosy as first appears.
Bill McCai
17-11-2006, 15:04
No problem whatsoever BM, simply making the point that if you've actually seen the way we're playing everything may not seem as rosy as they seem.
I have seen them. I admit they are not 'pretty' to watch, but we have to give it time don’t we?
I have seen them. I admit they are not 'pretty' to watch, but we have to give it time don’t we?
Definitely, that's why I'm going tomorrow and will do so for the rest of the season. It doesn't mean I'm going to say everthing is great like some on here as I'm extremely concerned at our lack of attacking threat, ability to come from a goal down and creaking defence.
I have seen them. I admit they are not 'pretty' to watch, but we have to give it time don’t we?
If I've got another 20 years, and I sincerely hope so, I certainly haven't got much more to give them.
East Bay Ray
17-11-2006, 16:28
I wouldn't go tomorrow if you paid me £100.
Blues fans all have lopsided faces and blond wedge haircuts, like Mark Dennis and Kevin Ashley. It's a revolting place.
Furthermore, while I am still passionate about Wolverhampton Wanderers, unfortunately the present owner, chief executive and previous manager have left me in a position where I don't actually care about the team or the results.
Moxey: I hope you are proud of your achievements?
glasgowwolf
17-11-2006, 16:59
It is more to do with the Cost of watching football.
Football ois fast pricing itself out of the normal fans price range.
It is like listening to my dad say
I used to go out with a tanner, watch the game have a couple of pints, bag of chips and still have enough left to get in the Civic on saturday night.......
The fact is the price of football has gone up in a greater amount than the cost of inflation over the years. £30.00 is a lot of money to most people.
How much would tomorrow cost me if I was going from Glasgow, how much if I was going fom Wolves and taking my son
Glasgow
Train.......... £50.00
Tickets .......£30.00 Adult
Child............£15.00 Have no idea of the actual price but lets just take 50% discount
Refreshments.£10.00
Program........£3.00
Total £108 - That is a lot of money
From Wolves
Train.................£10.00 Between us
Ticket...............£30.00
Ticket...............£15.00
Refreshments.....£10.00
Program............£3.00
Total................£68.00
That is too much for most normal people to pay.
The average wage in the England is what £400.00 a week. I would guess most Wolves fans are on less than that.
Even if the Average was £600 that would still be 10% of you weekly salary spent in 1 afternoon.
How many people can afford to pay 10% or more of their salary for 90 minutes entertainment.
Has it ever been so expensive
Uncle Festa
17-11-2006, 17:20
Agree with Hoop. I eat and breath football (at least I used to) but ive become bored of the game. I pay £37 a month to get Sky and hardly watch a game anymore. Wolves is a habit thats hard to kick but my enthusiasm has dropped enormously over the years (but still beats shopping with the Mrs). To be honest I'm surprised there is as many as 1600 going to Blues - $$$$ ground, $$$$ fans, and vastly overpriced especially when we go there not expecting to hit the net ourselves.
it is ridiculous and i think next season will be the one where the bubble bursts.
its going to be stupid money in the premiership with the new deals and non-capacity crowds could become the norm rather than the exception.
ill be there tomorrow, through habit more than anything.
i can totally understand why people wouldnt want to go there though, its not the best day out
HIGHLANDER
17-11-2006, 18:31
It's amazing that the people who dispel doom and gloom actually go the games and the people who are all rosy about the future sit 10,000 miles away in front of a keyboard and predict a whole new era for the club.Fully agree.
We only had Griz from Canada on here last week telling us all how entertaining the new 'young hungry' Wolves team was http://www.21softs.com/emoticons/images/tooth.gif Maybe if some of these exiles had to endure spending a five hour round trip and spending a hundred quid to watch the tripe served up they might develop some sort of a clue about what is happening.
http://www.wolves.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/NewsDetail/0,,10307~929130,00.html
Less than 1600 tickets sold for a local derby, not on TV and on a Saturday.
The tickets, compared to everywhere else, aren't that much more... a telling indication of how far we have slipped as a club both on and off the field.
Even when we were going through all the frustrations and disapointments of trying to get out of this league, at least we boasted a really good away following.
The heart has been ripped out the club and the reality is that we're not even a big club in this hell hole of a league anymore.
Cheers Hoddle/Moxey/Players/Football in general (Delete as applicable)
Excuse me while I go and slit my wrists................. oh god this is depressing cack! :rolleyes:
warks wolf
17-11-2006, 19:38
I wiil be there, although I do hate the place. I cannot believe they are going to have pay on the day, are they stupid?
Pattingham Wolf
17-11-2006, 20:01
Only reason I'm not going is that with two boys aged 7 and 6 I would be seriously concerned for their (and my) safety at St Andrews. Went there a few years ago and got coins, bottles, bricks thrown at me while the Police did very little. It is without doubt the biggest s***hole in the country and their so-called fans are a disgrace. Probably only Cardiff that offers competition to them in the scumbag league.
Works in terms of attendances though. So as it is self finanacing what, other than a perverse loyalty to the board (from a man who was going to watch Barnsley unless he got his own way and the board sacked Hoddle), have you got against it?
Spending a lot of money has never guaranteed us high attendances, so how is it self financing? How many times have we made a profit in the last 15 years? Maybe twice and those two seasons were tempered by losses either before or aftwerwards.
I have no loyalty to the board of a football club, they don't pay my wages and I'm not related to them. They are not friends of mine, I don't even know them. I don't know why you bring up the fact that I wouldn't be bothering to watch Wolves if Hoddle were still manager, thousands of people made the same decision and the majority haven't been back. I thought it was a lousy decision to keep him on at the end of last season, so did many others. TBH it's more surprising that you and many others renewed your season tickets and decided to carry on going, it obviously makes you very miserable.
As for the myth about disenchantment with the board being the only reason behind the low crowds, think back to 02/03. People were extremely $$$$ed off about our capitulation the season before, we were playing extremely poor football (4-4-2 without either a left or right winger) and people were already angry with the board for not sacking Jones. Essex Wolf had already written those immortal words, "Is Dave Jones a good manager or should he go now?".
The difference betwean 02/03 and this season is that we nearly got promoted the season before, whereas this season is on the back of 2 failures to even make the play-offs. We still have a hangover from not making it straight back up to the Premier League and the Hoddle effect.
HIGHLANDER
17-11-2006, 20:07
Excuse me while I go and slit my wrists......... :rolleyes:Dont change your mind,I'll go and fetch a razor quickly.
Florida Wolfey
17-11-2006, 20:56
It's amazing that the people who dispel doom and gloom actually go the games and the people who are all rosy about the future sit 10,000 miles away in front of a keyboard and predict a whole new era for the club.
I'm all for a new approach, but lets not kid ourselves. Barring the first few games of the season, the football we are playing is dire and looking at the squad there are very few alternatives that you could bring in to make it better.
Jack,
I'll probably get slaughtered for saying this but sometimes you can actually be too close to things to see them objectively. I have a lot of admiration for those people who go week after week to watch some pretty horrendous football as I have done it before...all the way down to Div 4. However, we are in a new position.
In the past SJH has bank rolled our team and built up our expectations to expect a team that could win the league. Today's reality is that we are going to bring through our youngsters and try a different way. Our Board should be constantly reinforcing this message in a positive light not the "cut our cloth" negative way that has been done IMO. It's as if the Board aren't sure this is the right way forward and are hedging their bets....and this gives the supporters a feeling of hopelessness.
If we had the right people making the right noises, I'm sure we'd see a more positive outlook. Yes, I agree that the football also needs to promote this but those at the top should be doing all they can to bring hope and a future to the club by embracing the supporters more than ever before.
It's probably going to get worse before it gets better but as MM slowly builds his team, we should emerge stronger than before and with a supporter base that feels the team really does belong to them. I think the players we have are generally OK. They all work for each other and seem to have a spirit about them that has seen us overachieve this season. As they improve their skills and abilities and get more experience we should see a team capable of sustaining another promotion challenge within two years. If MM then spends what limited money he has well, then we should be even better.
I don't blame people if they stay away during this period as it's not going to be pretty but the football on offer is somewhat effective. It certainly isn't the death of WWFC as this thread is titled.....
Dont change your mind,I'll go and fetch a razor quickly.
WHoooosh!!! :rolleyes:
East Bay Ray
17-11-2006, 22:45
I'll field this one...
It's because Jack we're boring as $$$$$$$ to watch. Not one star player to get the pulses racing & as you say, probably only a couple of defeats away from a relegation dog fight. Its bleak times, bleak times indeed.
good post bild - keep it an bring it up often...
Hereford Wolf
17-11-2006, 23:05
Reduce prices for a start. Now I know that is impossible halfway through a season but it should have been done for the season we came back into this division. Prices should also have been frozen for this season, after all the club got rid of a dozen star players and replaced them with young unknowns.
Before anyone starts to call me a fool for saying that, I fully agree with what generally happened to the playing staff - replacing expensive hasbeens with young and hungry players - but if for example a theatre staged a play/musical without well known stars then the ticket prices would reflect that. Ours don't!
This is correct - its cost.
The price of footy is too high.
If I take my family to a game...include programme, drinks, food and travel its over £100 ! So Stupid !
When will the powers at Molineux wake up and reduce the price and fill the ground? Its not hard to understand......but they don't.
East Bay Ray
17-11-2006, 23:13
This is correct - its cost.
The price of footy is too high.
If I take my family to a game...include programme, drinks, food and travel its over £100 ! So Stupid !
When will the powers at Molineux wake up and reduce the price and fill the ground? Its not hard to understand......but they don't.
i never understand the fools who post the drinks, food, travel part. If you take your family to warwick castle or alton towers then the drinks, food, travel will be the same.
Its the cost of the entrance fee that is too high. And that is relative. For a team with excellent players, excitng play and ambition the cost would be reasonable.
Mr Moxey however has removed all the interest, and retained the prices. It's known as commercial suicide, or 'the doors over there Moxey' in the real world.
Professional
17-11-2006, 23:58
Spending a lot of money has never guaranteed us high attendances, so how is it self financing? How many times have we made a profit in the last 15 years? Maybe twice and those two seasons were tempered by losses either before or aftwerwards.
I have no loyalty to the board of a football club, they don't pay my wages and I'm not related to them. They are not friends of mine, I don't even know them. I don't know why you bring up the fact that I wouldn't be bothering to watch Wolves if Hoddle were still manager, thousands of people made the same decision and the majority haven't been back. I thought it was a lousy decision to keep him on at the end of last season, so did many others. TBH it's more surprising that you and many others renewed your season tickets and decided to carry on going, it obviously makes you very miserable.
As for the myth about disenchantment with the board being the only reason behind the low crowds, think back to 02/03. People were extremely $$$$ed off about our capitulation the season before, we were playing extremely poor football (4-4-2 without either a left or right winger) and people were already angry with the board for not sacking Jones. Essex Wolf had already written those immortal words, "Is Dave Jones a good manager or should he go now?".
The difference betwean 02/03 and this season is that we nearly got promoted the season before, whereas this season is on the back of 2 failures to even make the play-offs. We still have a hangover from not making it straight back up to the Premier League and the Hoddle effect.
Echo these sentiments entirely.
East Bay Ray
18-11-2006, 00:03
Spending a lot of money has never guaranteed us high attendances, so how is it self financing? How many times have we made a profit in the last 15 years? Maybe twice and those two seasons were tempered by losses either before or aftwerwards.
I have no loyalty to the board of a football club, they don't pay my wages and I'm not related to them. They are not friends of mine, I don't even know them. I don't know why you bring up the fact that I wouldn't be bothering to watch Wolves if Hoddle were still manager, thousands of people made the same decision and the majority haven't been back. I thought it was a lousy decision to keep him on at the end of last season, so did many others. TBH it's more surprising that you and many others renewed your season tickets and decided to carry on going, it obviously makes you very miserable.
As for the myth about disenchantment with the board being the only reason behind the low crowds, think back to 02/03. People were extremely $$$$ed off about our capitulation the season before, we were playing extremely poor football (4-4-2 without either a left or right winger) and people were already angry with the board for not sacking Jones. Essex Wolf had already written those immortal words, "Is Dave Jones a good manager or should he go now?".
The difference betwean 02/03 and this season is that we nearly got promoted the season before, whereas this season is on the back of 2 failures to even make the play-offs. We still have a hangover from not making it straight back up to the Premier League and the Hoddle effect.
I'm sorry mate that's rubbish. All this analysis is a waste of time.
We have **** team and no future.
The attrition rate a$$$$st the fans will be constant until our attendances are around 4,000. We have form on this.
The reason this is happening is not Moxey's fault - it's his intention. I know not why.
UNCLE REMUS
18-11-2006, 00:09
I'm sorry mate that's rubbish. All this analysis is a waste of time.
We have **** team and no future.
The attrition rate a$$$$st the fans will be constant until our attendances are around 4,000. We have form on this.
The reason this is happening is not Moxey's fault - it's his intention. I know not why.
Perhaps he wants to run things down so badly that Jack will let him have the club for a really knock down amount.
Scary!!!!!!!!
Could be the conspiracy theory to end all conspiracy theories.
All in my own little world, of course.
Hereford Wolf
18-11-2006, 00:09
i never understand the fools who post the drinks, food, travel part. If you take your family to warwick castle or alton towers then the drinks, food, travel will be the same.
What a fool I am.
Obviously if I don't go out with my family then I don't have to pay for food and drink. I thank the free food God for supplying us with all our nutrition on match day. And of course that free petrol is nice.
Of course if I had stayed at home it would not of cost me anything (getting the point now East Bay ?)
We are talking about regular football matches - not a one off visit to Warwick Castle.
Calling your fellow fans a fool ? Mmmmm...think about it....
holloholloway
18-11-2006, 00:27
I live in birmingham and it's a ****hole. Birmingham city's ground is like a bomb site and the fans are scum.
I used to sell the a blues fanzine (i was getting 50 quid for 1 hour's work. Didn't like the fanzine but money talks) and people got wind i was a wolves fan. Another fanzine seller wanted my spot and put the word about i was a wolves fan.
Anyway, the programme seller adjacent to me was shouting to all the blues fans coming out of the pubs that i was a wolves fan and i got confronted by some of the scumbags in the sportsman pub. Like judas i denied the truth, shat my pants and ran to the nearest bus stop with half a dozen hooligans shouting obscenities at me. I ain't going back. I have bad memories.
Uncle Festa
18-11-2006, 11:02
Holloway, your not from Sedgley are you?
I know another lad where the very same thing happened. Wolves fan who used to run a Wolves and Blues fanzine but had to give it up when the Blues fans found out he was a Wolves fan.
Hatch End Wolf
18-11-2006, 12:21
Personally I don't care if only 1600 Wolves fans turn up at the Brummie bog hole. The Brady brunch get all the money anyway, why subsidise them?
I'm more worried about gates at the Mol. Ignoring the possible ( ? ) 23,000 for the Sunderland match attendances are falling at an alarming rate. If the ST's reduce in the same proportion next Summer Wolves will really struggle to average more than 15,000 and we never have cup runs to bring in extra income!
holloholloway
18-11-2006, 13:41
No i just worked as a seller
HIGHLANDER
19-11-2006, 01:36
. If the ST's reduce in the same proportion next Summer Wolves will really struggle to average more than 15,000 and we never have cup runs to bring in extra income!Agreed,
Wolves gates and football gates in general started to fall significantly during the late 70's and then accelorated rapidly downwards during the eighties.From what I remember,it was the result of the Taylor report,Sky tv money,improvment in grounds and the Premiership which saved football from it's terminal decline.We now see gates falling once again,and I'm just wondering,what the hell can they come up with this time to save the game?
Florida Wolfey
19-11-2006, 02:09
Agreed,
Wolves gates and football gates in general started to fall significantly during the late 70's and then accelorated rapidly downwards during the eighties.From what I remember,it was the result of the Taylor report,Sky tv money,improvment in grounds and the Premiership which saved football from it's terminal decline.We now see gates falling once again,and I'm just wondering,what the hell can they come up with this time to save the game?
In a word.....MARKETING.
They'll use this as an excuse to :
a) Reduce the size of the Premiership
b) Promote an elite Euro League
c) Promote Celtic / Rangers to the Premiership.
Meanwhile the money will still be prevented from reaching the lower league clubs.
So, it's a case of "I'm alright Jack" otherwise known as "stuff you lot" to the other 80 odd clubs in the league.
