View Full Version : Not while he's in charge !!
Midlander
22-09-2006, 09:27
There's a great buzz amongst Wolves supporters / fans at present. With MM at the helm there's a sense of hope and promise......if not the confidence of instant success.
For me the club has pretty much been reinvented in the few months from Hoddle leaving to MM signing and the season so far.
This leads me to have thoughts of the endless people, including a large number of my own friends, who at the end of last season vowed never to go again and certainly not renew their season ticket while 'The Hod' was in charge. They are now (unsurprisingly) putting a half season ticket at the top of their Christmas list.
Is it ever acceptable to simply turn your back on the club you support ? Surely if you do you are not and never will be a supporter....how can you be if just because it's not the way you like it you simply won't go......how can that be interpreted as support ???
As attendances have risen and fallen over the years it is evident that a lot of 'supporters' have this attitude. I know there are valid reasons for not attending such as financial....location etc etc...I have read the endless amounts of posts on that subject....but what I wonder is how do you make the decision to simply not bother ??
I ama season ticket holder and have been since I was old enough to know what football is......for me it runs deeper than the man in charge....the current formation.....the god awful goal music....the club is bigger than all of that and it's the club that you are supporting....or not as the case may be.
Fickleasfolk
22-09-2006, 09:37
Really.
Midlander
22-09-2006, 09:56
Nah.....was just kidding really.....and I'm desperatley trying to get RSI so I can go on the box for a few months.
As you were !
Midlander
22-09-2006, 10:45
Deleting this as I'm sure I'm being ripped to pieces in Amy's Tavern. ;)
paddingtonwolf
22-09-2006, 10:46
You're not.
duanepipe
22-09-2006, 10:54
You're entitled to turn your back on attending the games and return at your leisure, totally. I don't think you can simply stop supporting though or disown your team in public. Football is entertainment first and foremost and if you don't feel entertained, don't go. The club owes us nothing and I owe it nothing. It will base it's policies without my input and I'll attend on my terms without their input but once you've declared your team to more than 3 people you don't know, you are legally bound to support that team forever or face penalty of being branded a turd-roll. The same laws do not apply to attendance. That's the way I look at it.
Midlander
22-09-2006, 10:58
Appreciated......but what are you really doing to support your club if you are not attending ?
paddingtonwolf
22-09-2006, 11:00
do you buy the shirt? - that's some money in the coffers isn't it?
Every little helps I guess
whitemouse75
22-09-2006, 11:01
Is it ever acceptable to simply turn your back on the club you support ? Surely if you do you are not and never will be a supporter....how can you be if just because it's not the way you like it you simply won't go......how can that be interpreted as support ???
because i earned the money and i'll do what i $$$$ing well like with it
....but what I wonder is how do you make the decision to simply not bother ??
its easy, when you feel as though you are wasting your time and money, you just stop doing it same as you would with anything else.
BlahBlah
22-09-2006, 11:04
Let's put it another way. It's generally thought of by "non-football" fans, that people who have to physically go and follow a football team every week are a bit emptyheaded and dull.
How do you get into the situation of "giving your life" to a football club in the first place?
How do grown men justify taking something so seriously, when there's no direct contact and little you can so to affect the outcome? Isn't it a bit....limpwristed ?
Midlander
22-09-2006, 11:04
do you buy the shirt? - that's some money in the coffers isn't it?
Every little helps I guess
True....merchandise provides the club with some income....but then are we saying that everybody with a car sticker....cuddly Wolfie.....etc etc is also a supporter...in the same respect as a regular attendee or season ticket holder ?
paddingtonwolf
22-09-2006, 11:08
I don't think it is quite the same animal. IMV - anyone who declares that they support the club is by definition a supporter (god - that sounds thick, but I can't think of a different way to articulate it!), but there are different levels of support, from the car sticker to the AST who hasn't missed a match in years, including CHORLEY. Different types, but all still supporters.
Midlander
22-09-2006, 11:11
Let's put it another way. It's generally thought of by "non-football" fans, that people who have to physically go and follow a football team every week are a bit emptyheaded and dull.
How do you get into the situation of "giving your life" to a football club in the first place?
How do grown men justify taking something so seriously, when there's no direct contact and little you can so to affect the outcome? Isn't it a bit....limpwristed ?
I don't really expect non-football fans to understand so I'm not concerned about that.
Same as I don't expect fair-weather fans to either.....I just don't understand how you can turn your support for your club up and down like a dimmer switch.
I know that enjoyment and satisfaction will increase and decrease but surely the amount of support should always remain the same ?
Midlander
22-09-2006, 11:13
because i earned the money and i'll do what i $$$$ing well like with it
its easy, when you feel as though you are wasting your time and money, you just stop doing it same as you would with anything else.
So what is it that pushes you to decide that you are wasting your time and money when it comes to WWFC ?
Midlander
22-09-2006, 11:16
I don't think it is quite the same animal. IMV - anyone who declares that they support the club is by definition a supporter (god - that sounds thick, but I can't think of a different way to articulate it!), but there are different levels of support, from the car sticker to the AST who hasn't missed a match in years, including CHORLEY. Different types, but all still supporters.
I agree there are fans of all kinds all over the world....something that makes me very proud....but what I am trying to figure out is how so many can simply decide they aren't going to go anymore just because of a, b or c.
Is that really giving the club support ?
whitemouse75
22-09-2006, 11:18
So what is it that pushes you to decide that you are wasting your time and money when it comes to WWFC ?
when you spend 2 hours there and come out thinking why did i bother? and it goes like that for a year.
blahblah summed it up nicely i think.
Midlander
22-09-2006, 11:22
when you spend 2 hours there and come out thinking why did i bother? and it goes like that for a year.
blahblah summed it up nicely i think.
Exactly...if it's not going well you decide not to go.
Like I said before....how is that supporting your club ?
Moira Stewart
22-09-2006, 11:26
Whilst I am a lot more optimistic about the future of the club than I was 3 months ago I still believe there is a lot of hard work to be done and I know as a lapsed STH I don't think I'll be renewing at Christmas because to be perfectly honest I haven't missed going to the games all that much and judging by the Barnsley performance we still look a long way from competing for promotion come what May.
I think judgement will be clouded by what the individual does themselves. I don't blame people who were put off football after last season but when i was younger i have felt a superior fan to others for attending and then completely contradicted my views by not going to a cup game against $$$$ opposition. At the end of the day whatever the individual themself does, they will believe this to be the correct way and suitably justified.
Midlander
22-09-2006, 11:30
I think judgement will be clouded by what the individual does themselves. I don't blame people who were put off football last season but when i was younger i have felt a superior fan to others for attending and then completely contradicted my views by not going to a cup game against $$$$ opposition. At the end of the day whatever the individual themself does, they will believe this to be the correct way and suitably justified.
A very valid post.
Cheers. :)
PabloWolfo
22-09-2006, 11:44
Whilst I am a lot more optimistic about the future of the club than I was 3 months ago I still believe there is a lot of hard work to be done and I know as a lapsed STH I don't think I'll be renewing at Christmas because to be perfectly honest I haven't missed going to the games all that much and judging by the Barnsley performance we still look a long way from competing for promotion come what May.
It's pretty much along the same lines for me. I've realised that although I do miss going to the games on a regular basis, it's only for a couple of hours a week at the game and two hours each way for travel. That time on a Saturday (for me) can be spent doing other things.
I still love the club (of a fashion) but they don't come and watch me mow the lawns on a Sunday, even between seasons! I wouldn't even charge them to watch!
whitemouse75
22-09-2006, 11:59
Exactly...if it's not going well you decide not to go.
Like I said before....how is that supporting your club ?
i dont care if its supporting the club or not, i'm just no longer throwing money away. I have plenty of other things going on in my life so that i dont feel as though i've had an organ removed because i gave up my st's.
if other people feel better because they are still going and i'm not, great. i'm more saddened by the fact that so many simply cannot comprehend life without wolves.
South Bank Wolf
22-09-2006, 12:56
Midlander, I know I shouldn't but I've taken the bait. I'm guessing you don't get out much but try to remember when you last went to a restaurant (the golden arch doesn't count). If you didn't enjoy the meal you may well choose not to eat there again. You may, of course, decide to go back there and be served the same shocking food time and time again. Its all about personal choice. If people want to pick and choose games to go to, wheres the problem? In your opinion can you only be classed as a Wolves supporter if you own a season ticket and have had forever? What about those people who simply can't afford one? Or those who decide that they'd rather spend the money on a good holiday or home improvements?
Essex Wolf
22-09-2006, 13:02
Who is in charge of the club has never effected my loyalty. I don't have to be happy with who runs the show to decide whether to attend a game and give backing. It's easier though when the manager is someone you have faith in.
Who is in charge of the club has never effected my loyalty. I don't have to be happy with who runs the show to decide whether to attend a game and give backing. It's easier though when the manager is someone you have faith in.
Is this the same person that swore to never attend another game unless Dave Jones was sacked? The same person that had a dig at me when I threatened to not go unless Hoddle left?
Or am I just having a hissy fit?
Essex Wolf
22-09-2006, 13:20
Is this the same person that swore to never attend another game unless Dave Jones was sacked? The same person that had a dig at me when I threatened to not go unless Hoddle left?
Or am I just having a hissy fit?
FFS grow up ID. You're like a child in a sweet shop being denied a chocolate bar.
How many more times do the likes of you and several others who question many of the posts I make because they don't like or agree with them need telling this board is where I have my rants and raves? Get things of my chest as such.
Seems it is you that doesn't take note but just likes to brownie point score whenever Essex Wolf makes a post, how very sad.
Now I will be attending tomorrow, will you be or are you supporting Barnsley this weekend?
Midlander
22-09-2006, 13:23
Midlander, I know I shouldn't but I've taken the bait. I'm guessing you don't get out much but try to remember when you last went to a restaurant (the golden arch doesn't count). If you didn't enjoy the meal you may well choose not to eat there again. You may, of course, decide to go back there and be served the same shocking food time and time again. Its all about personal choice. If people want to pick and choose games to go to, wheres the problem? In your opinion can you only be classed as a Wolves supporter if you own a season ticket and have had forever? What about those people who simply can't afford one? Or those who decide that they'd rather spend the money on a good holiday or home improvements?
Cheers for the response.....It's nothing to do with taking bait.
I do frequent a few restaurants that I enjoy and yes there are shockers I have been to and wouldn't go back again.
But what has this to do with supporting a football club ? I didn't state that in order to be a supporter you need to have been a season ticket holder all your life. And I did state that if you stop attending due to financial reasons etc etc then that's understandable.
All I am trying to get to grips with is how supporters can simply end their support for the club ?
And as for not getting out much....surely the fact that my post count is not spiralling into the thousands, like some, would prove that I do. ;)
(Now I am dangling my rod !!)
whitemouse75
22-09-2006, 13:27
supporters dont end their support for the club, they choose not to attend matches. there's a difference.
you should have posted more on the superfan thread cus i think you're great.
Midlander
22-09-2006, 13:33
supporters dont end their support for the club, they choose not to attend matches. there's a difference.
you should have posted more on the superfan thread cus i think you're great.
Superfan thread ?? Sorry not with you.
This is definately not a 'holier-than-thou' thread.
Just don't see how choosing to go when things are looking up...then saying 'I won't bother' when times is tough can be called supporting your club ?
Essex Wolf
22-09-2006, 13:35
Superfan thread ?? Sorry not with you.
This is definately not a 'holier-than-thou' thread.
Just don't see how choosing to go when things are looking up...then saying 'I won't bother' when times is tough can be called supporting your club ?
Fully agree with your last papargraph.
Oh and before the likes of ID jump in feet first saying "But you said you'd not go again when DJ was in charge blah blah blah" Yes I know and as I've said before I use the MM to have my rants but I still remain a loyal supporter.
whitemouse75
22-09-2006, 13:36
at which point were things looking up?
Midlander
22-09-2006, 13:37
Cheers EW.
Glad someone sees where I'm coming from.
Essex Wolf
22-09-2006, 13:39
Cheers EW.
Glad someone sees where I'm coming from.
Because we most likely have similar views as to what constitutes support.
Midlander
22-09-2006, 13:39
at which point were things looking up?
I'm talking in general.....but if you want to be specific...say....promotion to the Premiership ?
whitemouse75
22-09-2006, 13:42
ok, lets be specific. i didnt have a st the year we got promoted, but i did have one in the premiership. are you saying i shouldnt have had one because i wasnt there to watch us lose to brighton?
Superfan thread ?? Sorry not with you.
This is definately not a 'holier-than-thou' thread.
Really? These kinds of threads always come up and always remind me of the Monty Python class sketch:
"I've been a season ticket holder for 30 years, go to all the away matches, and have a tattoo of Steve Bell on my arse. I look down on him:"
"I've been a season ticket holder for 10 years, but don't go to any away matches. I look up to him, but down on him:"
"I go to several games a season and also have a home and away shirt. I look up to them, but down on him:"
"I watch the Wolves on the telly. I know my place!"
Essex Wolf
22-09-2006, 13:49
ok, lets be specific. i didnt have a st the year we got promoted, but i did have one in the premiership. are you saying i shouldnt have had one because i wasnt there to watch us lose to brighton?
Don't want to speak on behalf of Midlander but for me your comment above highlights you as a bit of a glory hunter Whitemouse. Can't be bothered to support the club when they are playing the small clubs but as soon as the big boys are in town, well here I come.
Midlander
22-09-2006, 13:50
ok, lets be specific. i didnt have a st the year we got promoted, but i did have one in the premiership. are you saying i shouldnt have had one because i wasnt there to watch us lose to brighton?
No that's not what I'm saying. :rolleyes:
If you need reminding what I am saying just scroll back up to the top of page one.
whitemouse75
22-09-2006, 13:53
Don't want to speak on behalf of Midlander but for me your comment above highlights you as a bit of a glory hunter Whitemouse. Can't be bothered to support the club when they are playing the small clubs but as soon as the big boys are in town, well here I come.
but see without knowing the facts you have categorised me as a glory hunter.
does it make a difference that i was living in germany for 6 years prior to promotion, but still had enough loyalty points on 2 memberships to buy my play-off tickets straight after the season ticket holders had theirs?
Midlander
22-09-2006, 13:53
Really? These kinds of threads always come up and always remind me of the Monty Python class sketch:
"I've been a season ticket holder for 30 years, go to all the away matches, and have a tattoo of Steve Bell on my arse. I look down on him:"
"I've been a season ticket holder for 10 years, but don't go to any away matches. I look up to him, but down on him:"
"I go to several games a season and also have a home and away shirt. I look up to them, but down on him:"
"I watch the Wolves on the telly. I know my place!"
Hilarious sketch....:D ....wasn't that pre-Python ? ;)
I certainly don't think I am better or worse than anyone....just a loyal supporter...which for me is the only true kind.
Essex Wolf
22-09-2006, 14:52
but see without knowing the facts you have categorised me as a glory hunter.
does it make a difference that i was living in germany for 6 years prior to promotion, but still had enough loyalty points on 2 memberships to buy my play-off tickets straight after the season ticket holders had theirs?
Then why didn't you state all the facts to start with? Would have been a lot more sensible.
whitemouse75
22-09-2006, 15:11
because you're not interested in facts.
