View Full Version : McCarthy... Yes or No?
Lupo Italiano
13-07-2006, 12:06
I myself would like to see Mick McCarthy come and have a go at the Molineux.
He has a good record in this division and made Sunderland into a fabulous side at this level a few years back, he didn't do so well in The Premiership but there were factord out of his control.
He is the sort of tough, no nonsence character I think we need right now and would, IMO, be better than Stuart Gray, Gary Megson or Paul Ince (nothing against Incey but I want someone with a bit of experience).
McCarthy is also quite a passionate character and I think he would do us a job.
What do others think? I know I've seen quite a few in support of him on here...
I notice Deutsch Wolf mentioned McCarthy at the Fans Parliament and there was some support there too.
Desert Wolf
13-07-2006, 12:09
No, just doesn't come over as the type of guy we need, dour & uninspiring.
PREM.L.L
13-07-2006, 12:10
Not sure but i'd prefer him to a lot of the utter dross being banded about.
paddingtonwolf
13-07-2006, 12:13
Yes
Colin Swedewolf
13-07-2006, 12:20
Not sure being as I don't know the other names in the hat.
Of the names that have publicly said that they have applied for the job, I would prefer McCarthy over them.
His last season at Sunderland is the major sour note for me. If it really was the board that wouldnt give him any funds and made him sign such poor players he should have walked before the season got under way and preserved some self dignity.
Wivey Wolf
13-07-2006, 12:26
As I've said on other threads, he appears to have all the attributes - but I can't warm to him. So I'll have to go with "I don't know"
Rothley Wolf
13-07-2006, 12:28
No. Old school in terms of tactics, do not believe he is that adept at spotting talent and his last season in the premiership suggests that players will not always play for him. Better candidates.
Timberwolf
13-07-2006, 12:33
Voted yes but would prefer a more 'inspired' choice by the board.
Winelord
13-07-2006, 12:33
Ideally the next manager, IMO, should be a decent manager working their way up to the CCC from a lower league (Penney or Tilson).
Alternatively, I'd accept McCarthy because of his proven record, but it's starting to look like a quick fix- surely if we got promoted, it'd be just like Sunderland's last season all over again.
Bill McCai
13-07-2006, 12:36
Yes for me. Would be ideally suited to our current predicament in my opinion.
People go on about his recent season in the Prem, but Sunderland fans didn’t want him sacked ( despite them being miles away from safety ). Why not? Because they knew he was the man to get them straight back up. As has been mentioned – did he simply suffer because he overachieved to such an extent in 2004-2005?
Could any of our recent managers have identified and signed players like Liam Lawrence, Dean Whitehead or Stuart Elliot? This is the kind of player we are going to have to find to supplement the current squad.
Half of me would like someone unproven to get the job, but the other half thinks that McCarthy is the sort of no-nonsense manager we have been crying our for.
If we can get a Dave Penney or Tilson or Mowbray great – but you have to remember McCarthy is available now and has all the attributes we are looking for. A boring public personality and our perception of him should not count against him ( and hopefully wont ).
Bill McCai
13-07-2006, 12:41
tactics, do not believe he is that adept at spotting talent
Stephen Elliot ( £125k )
Liam Lawrence ( £175k )
Dean Whitehead ( £150k )
£450k – how much are they worth now?
We spent 4 times that on Seyi.
Well argued BM, it seems that there is division amongst people on here. Personally I like the idea of Nigel Clough (who someone mentioned on here yesterday). It would be a risk, but a risk could be very profitable. At least we know we'd get some decent football at last.
big-blue-wolf
13-07-2006, 12:47
No, no, no, no and no.
He's not capable of managing a team in the Premiership so why employ a man who we would have to sack if he did get us promoted.
Bill McCai
13-07-2006, 12:59
No, no, no, no and no.
He's not capable of managing a team in the Premiership so why employ a man who we would have to sack if he did get us promoted.
:rolleyes:
That argument is $$$$$.
People used to go on about how Hoddle would succeed in the Prem. Never happened did it? We have to deal with the here and now and the sheer fact of the matter is if anyone can get us looking even remotely like we might get promotion they should be given the freedom of Heath Town ( or knighted ).
I'm not a fan of McCarthy ( honestly ) but the arguments against him don’t really stand up in my opinion. If you had asked me a month ago I would have told you to "go away" but you have to think about these things a little more sometimes. Just because I think he might be outdated or boring does not mean he wouldn’t be a great Wolves manager. Equally he could be rubbish. But the FACTS and EVIDENCE would suggest he is a very real candidate for the job. How can he not be.
You can go on about his dour persona, rubbish hair and monotone drone all you like – but its not a real argument is it?
Stephen Elliot ( £125k )
Liam Lawrence ( £175k )
Dean Whitehead ( £150k )
£450k – how much are they worth now?
There not that good, they were out of there depth completly in the prem along with the rest of the side. Fair enough they might/could find there feet in this div but the fact that none of them have even been linked with any prem team suggests prem mangers think the same.
On McCarthy I'm not sure, I think Peter Ried did most of the work and he kept it going, but I hope the board appoints someone by Monday.
Visage Wolf
13-07-2006, 13:03
No, no, no, no and no.
He's not capable of managing a team in the Premiership so why employ a man who we would have to sack if he did get us promoted.
Wondering about how a Wolves manager would perform in the Premiership is like me wondering what brand of condom I should use when i $$$$$$ Kylie in the $$$$.....
Wolvesthrunthru
13-07-2006, 13:06
Wondering about how a Wolves manager would perform in the Premiership is like me wondering what brand of condom I should use when i $$$$$$ Kylie in the $$$$.....
:D quality!
SOA Wolf
13-07-2006, 13:10
Wondering about how a Wolves manager would perform in the Premiership is like me wondering what brand of condom I should use when i $$$$$$ Kylie in the $$$$.....
Not really, one has happened in the last few years the other will never happen...actually substitute Kylie with 'any woman' and the never will happen comment still works.
Bill McCai
13-07-2006, 13:14
There not that good, they were out of there depth completly in the prem along with the rest of the side. Fair enough they might/could find there feet in this div but the fact that none of them have even been linked with any prem team suggests prem mangers think the same.
On McCarthy I'm not sure, I think Peter Ried did most of the work and he kept it going, but I hope the board appoints someone by Monday.
Mick McCarthy took over from Howard Wilkinson ( and Cotterill ) so your point re Peter Reid baffles me.
He lost Thomas Sorensen, Gavin McCann and Kevin Phillips when they went down ( not to mention a certain Artist centre back who some newly promoted team aquired for a bargain £1.75m ). Some might say the spine of the Peter Reid side was completely ripped out. So I think McCarthy did well to make the play offs ( finishing 3rd ) in 2003-2004. The following season Sunderland won the league with 94 points scoring 76 goals. Liam Lawrence, Dean Whitehead and Stuart Elliot were key components of that side – you can argue all you like about whether they are Premiership class – but we are not in the Premiership anymore. If any manager could pick up 3 players as good as that for Wolves ( at that price ) we would be pinching ourselves.
Visage Wolf
13-07-2006, 13:18
Not really, one has happened in the last few years the other will never happen...actually substitute Kylie with 'any woman' and the never will happen comment still works.
So one minute you bang on about 'double standards', the next you bang on about 'personal abuse', and then the next you *indulge* in personal abuse?
Your complaints about double standards would be a lot more powerful if you werent just as guilty yourself.
Cowardly and Lazy.
big-blue-wolf
13-07-2006, 13:31
Wondering about how a Wolves manager would perform in the Premiership is like me wondering what brand of condom I should use when i $$$$$$ Kylie in the $$$$.....
:D Brilliant
Hibbitt was King
13-07-2006, 13:32
Wondering about how a Wolves manager would perform in the Premiership is like me wondering what brand of condom I should use when i $$$$$$ Kylie in the $$$$.....
A very fine one - not much room to play with.
Get him in i say. The same logic for not appointing McCarthy could have been applied to Steve Coppell by Reading. Has he really done it in the Premiership? Who here wouldn't swap our position with Readings now? I don't know why we think we are too good for managers like him.
He didn't exactly set the world on fire at Millwall or Ireland - what makes people think he'll do so at Wolves?
He didn't exactly set the world on fire at Millwall or Ireland - what makes people think he'll do so at Wolves?
Well he got them to the World Cup in 02 and didn't too bad out there without Keane either. I think he did a decent job for Ireland.
Bill McCai
13-07-2006, 13:53
He didn't exactly set the world on fire at Millwall or Ireland - what makes people think he'll do so at Wolves?
McCarthy finished 3rd in his first season with Millwall. He finished 13th the following season but the team beat Forest, Arsenal and Chelsea in the Cup. Millwall topped the league the following season then Ireland got in touch.
Lost in Play-offs for France 98 and Euro 2000. Finished above Holland in Qualifying Group for WC 2002. Considering what he had available, and the retirement of players from the Charlton era - I think he did quite well.
I don’t think his record at Millwall or Ireland is that bad is it?
Stephen Elliot ( £125k )
Liam Lawrence ( £175k )
Dean Whitehead ( £150k )
£450k – how much are they worth now?
We spent 4 times that on Seyi.
The arguments against him just don't seem logical to me. He spent peanuts on players and then is criticised because those super cheap players couldn't cope in the Premiership. Well WTF do you expect if you pay less than 200k!?
Talking to my Sunderland season ticket holder collegeague, I don't think people realise the mess that McCarthy inherited. His first job was to reduce the wage bill by about 200% as the club was losing so much money. To do that AND get promotion is nothing short of brilliant. Its partly down to lowering the wage bill and get promoted that Sunderland are in a position whereby serious investors are coming in and buying the club - something most on here would welcome with open arms.
Brusselswolf
13-07-2006, 15:29
Was not sure myself. As others have said, this depends on whether the names being proposed (Megson, Reid, Cotterill, Royle etc etc) are the only ones. If so then I would say yes. But maybe the board can pull one out of the hat and get someone out of the blue.
OldWolvesfart
13-07-2006, 17:13
As I have already said I have a lot of respect for McCarthy as much for his time with the Republic of Ireland squad as anything else. The problem will be convincing our tiny board that he can do the job.
Someone said McCarthy is to dour? If so what does that make Sounness, win or lose he always looked as if he had lost his last shilling and gave the appearance of a total manic depressive.
Was not sure myself. As others have said, this depends on whether the names being proposed (Megson, Reid, Cotterill, Royle etc etc) are the only ones. If so then I would say yes. But maybe the board can pull one out of the hat and get someone out of the blue.
Exactly. If the quality of applicants is poor, then I think McCarthy is the best option.
If, however, we somehow manage to pull some miracle out of the bag and get Curbishley, then the pro-McCarthy brigade will be looking decidedly sheepish.
That said, I think the latter is highly unlikely to happen, so in summary:
YES, he would be a good appointment.
