SCB
03-07-2006, 19:53
...as I said, get Dave Jones back from feggin Cardiff, and let Wolves get back on track for Premiership,
:cool:
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brummywolf
03-07-2006, 19:54
I thought you might have sobered up from this mornings praising of Leon Clarke, obviously not.
SCB
03-07-2006, 19:56
Have you a better option, then let us know.
Ashley
03-07-2006, 19:57
if that happens i'll give you my season ticket! it's funny cos if he hadn't already been with us i'm sure his name would be getting menioned a lot from everyone on here after the good job he's done at cardiff! nice bloke, decent manager but he had his time ( and a lot of money ) here and left us with great memorys from cardiff.
SCB
03-07-2006, 19:59
May I reiterate my lead. Dave Jones got Wolves to the Premiership!§
Too bad Wolves mishandled the opportunity...
Too bad Wolves mishandled the opportunity...
Deutsch Wolf
03-07-2006, 20:01
May I reiterate my lead. Dave Jones got Wolves to the Premiership!
And Howard Wilkinson won the First Division in 1992. Get him in.
And Howard Wilkinson won the First Division in 1992. Get him in.
Ashley
03-07-2006, 20:04
And Howard Wilkinson won the First Division in 1992. Get him in.
that's exactly what Moxey is thinking! A wilkinson - Ince dream team!!!!!!!
that's exactly what Moxey is thinking! A wilkinson - Ince dream team!!!!!!!
SCB
03-07-2006, 20:05
And Howard Wilkinson won the First Division in 1992. Get him in.
Irrelevant, and you know it. :cool:
Irrelevant, and you know it. :cool:
SCB
03-07-2006, 20:09
Tell me, who as a manager produced this?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39084000/jpg/_39084336_cele2_300.jpg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39084000/jpg/_39084336_cele2_300.jpg
brummywolf
03-07-2006, 20:10
Are you special needs?
Ashley
03-07-2006, 20:10
the threads irrelevant, it'll never happen, ever!
Hatch End Wolf
03-07-2006, 20:11
Jones No! Ince No! Megson No! anybody you can think of No!
Face it folks, we're ****ing doomed whoever takes the job!
Face it folks, we're ****ing doomed whoever takes the job!
Deutsch Wolf
03-07-2006, 20:11
Dave Jones, after spending massive amounts of money (which we don't have). When he was asked to do the same again, given a reasonable amount of money (which we don't have), he $$$$$ed it up.
How about Graham Hawkins? After all, he got us promoted from this league before.
How about Graham Hawkins? After all, he got us promoted from this league before.
SCB
03-07-2006, 20:13
Are you special needs?
No, are you?
No, are you?
Hatch End Wolf
03-07-2006, 20:16
Capt Hawkins was a miracle man, he got promotion with a lousy squad. Then he was screwed to the floor by the Bhattis and the Dooooog! There's nothing fair about professional football.
brummywolf
03-07-2006, 20:16
No, are you?
No but even if I were, I still wouldn't want DJ back here.
No but even if I were, I still wouldn't want DJ back here.
SCB
03-07-2006, 20:16
Dave Jones, after spending massive amounts of money (which we don't have). When he was asked to do the same again, given a reasonable amount of money (which we don't have), he $$$$$ed it up.
How about Graham Hawkins? After all, he got us promoted from this league before.
DW, Jones got us into the Premiership. He got gagged by the club and we went out.
Can you point out any manager in the last TWENTY years, whom could have done a better job than Dave Jones, then enlighten me, please.
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How about Graham Hawkins? After all, he got us promoted from this league before.
DW, Jones got us into the Premiership. He got gagged by the club and we went out.
Can you point out any manager in the last TWENTY years, whom could have done a better job than Dave Jones, then enlighten me, please.
:cool:
Deutsch Wolf
03-07-2006, 20:17
Can you point out any manager in the last TWENTY years, whom could have done a better job than Dave Jones, then enlighten me, please.
:cool:
I could name fifty managers who, given that amount of money, would have got us up automatically first time and kept us in the Premiership.
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I could name fifty managers who, given that amount of money, would have got us up automatically first time and kept us in the Premiership.
SCB
03-07-2006, 20:17
No but even if I were, I still wouldn't want DJ back here.
Fair enough, then.
Fair enough, then.
SCB
03-07-2006, 20:18
I could name fifty managers who, given that amount of money, would have got us up automatically first time and kept us in the Premiership.
Great, Im waiting, (and dont forget to tell Wolves).
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Great, Im waiting, (and dont forget to tell Wolves).
:cool:
Deutsch Wolf
03-07-2006, 20:21
You want me to literally name fifty managers? I could do, but it'd be a fantastically dull and pointless exercise. Dave Jones didn't perform any miracles, he was given massive funding and he left us no better off than when he joined. That, to me, is not compelling evidence that he should be brought back (not that he'd come back anyway, he's a bitter, twisted, stubborn man).
SCB
03-07-2006, 20:27
Okay, you were making a point, not exacts.
No problemo, except I don't agree with yer.
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No problemo, except I don't agree with yer.
:cool:
Nashie
03-07-2006, 20:28
If Jonesy walked back into the club tomorrow I'd be happy to see him back. He's doing a great job at Cardiff on a limited budget and they are a club moving in the right direction. I expect Cardiff to finish above Wolves next season.
SCB
03-07-2006, 20:33
...I expect Cardiff to finish above Wolves next season.
Thing is, you might be very right. Remember last season??
Thing is, you might be very right. Remember last season??
stuj4z
03-07-2006, 20:36
its come to something that yes, i would have him back now.
on a limited budget he has always done well and now that is the situation we are in.
he would never come back with hayward still here though and who can blame him
on a limited budget he has always done well and now that is the situation we are in.
he would never come back with hayward still here though and who can blame him
Professional
03-07-2006, 20:38
Let's bring back Ian Greaves- or is he dead now?
jrpb-3
03-07-2006, 20:39
After the way he felt he was pushed out of the club and with the position we are now in with regards t finances do you seriously think he would want to come back here NOW.
Oldgold Wolfcub
03-07-2006, 20:44
...as I said, get Dave Jones back from feggin Cardiff, and let Wolves get back on track for Premiership,
:cool:
I think some of you guys needed Jones to remain and take us down even further and still you would be squaking that he was the best manager we ever had. Just because the Board replaced him with someone who has screwed us in a different way does not diminish the missed opportunities of Jones wasting the money he had.
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I think some of you guys needed Jones to remain and take us down even further and still you would be squaking that he was the best manager we ever had. Just because the Board replaced him with someone who has screwed us in a different way does not diminish the missed opportunities of Jones wasting the money he had.
SCB
03-07-2006, 20:46
Sorry, can't help it..:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39084000/jpg/_39084338_wolves_300cele.jpg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39084000/jpg/_39084338_wolves_300cele.jpg
OldWolvesfart
03-07-2006, 20:55
I think some of you guys needed Jones to remain and take us down even further and still you would be squaking that he was the best manager we ever had. Just because the Board replaced him with someone who has screwed us in a different way does not diminish the missed opportunities of Jones wasting the money he had.
Nail on the head, nuff said.
Nail on the head, nuff said.
Oldgold Wolfcub
03-07-2006, 20:58
Sorry, can't help it..:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39084000/jpg/_39084338_wolves_300cele.jpg
And have you got one for us coming down again?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39084000/jpg/_39084338_wolves_300cele.jpg
And have you got one for us coming down again?
Manitoba Wolf
03-07-2006, 20:59
...as I said, get Dave Jones back from feggin Cardiff, and let Wolves get back on track for Premiership,
:cool:
Got 20 plus million for him to waste have you?
:cool:
Got 20 plus million for him to waste have you?
OldWolvesfart
03-07-2006, 21:25
DW, Jones got us into the Premiership. He got gagged by the club and we went out.
Can you point out any manager in the last TWENTY years, whom could have done a better job than Dave Jones, then enlighten me, please.
:cool:
Playing safe by limiting it to twenty years then are we.
Not that anyone in their right mind would consider seeing laughing boy back at Molineux, best place for him, Cardiff is it, there we are then. No disrespect intended to any Welsh Wolves fans only to laid back Dave.
"A change of ownership in 1986 saw a turn around in the club's fortunes. Wolves was saved from extinction by a deal involving the council, Asda Supermarkets and the builders Gallaghers. After narrowly missing promotion in their first ever season in the league's basement, Wolves won the Fourth Division Championship in 1987/88 and also made a winning return to Wembley where they overcame Burnley in the Sherpa Van Trophy. The following season, they clinched the Third Division title."
There you go change of ownership and bring back Graham Turner.
Can you point out any manager in the last TWENTY years, whom could have done a better job than Dave Jones, then enlighten me, please.
:cool:
Playing safe by limiting it to twenty years then are we.
Not that anyone in their right mind would consider seeing laughing boy back at Molineux, best place for him, Cardiff is it, there we are then. No disrespect intended to any Welsh Wolves fans only to laid back Dave.
"A change of ownership in 1986 saw a turn around in the club's fortunes. Wolves was saved from extinction by a deal involving the council, Asda Supermarkets and the builders Gallaghers. After narrowly missing promotion in their first ever season in the league's basement, Wolves won the Fourth Division Championship in 1987/88 and also made a winning return to Wembley where they overcame Burnley in the Sherpa Van Trophy. The following season, they clinched the Third Division title."
There you go change of ownership and bring back Graham Turner.
Hibbitt was King
03-07-2006, 21:38
Don't know if you're truly serious, SCB, but how could Jones coming back possibly work? SJH seemingly can't bear the guy and the atmosphere between him, Moxey and Rick would make all their jobs impossible.
I'm with you on his achievement, but it has to be filed away as history. Those saying we might as well bring back Graham Hawkins et al. are right - it's just as pointless as considering Jones returning as manager.
We need fresh ideas which is why I now think the coaching staff should go too, but square-jaw's timing came hours after they'd all been given new contracts! He really is a $$$$, and Moxey is a fool to have been caugh out like this.
I'm with you on his achievement, but it has to be filed away as history. Those saying we might as well bring back Graham Hawkins et al. are right - it's just as pointless as considering Jones returning as manager.
We need fresh ideas which is why I now think the coaching staff should go too, but square-jaw's timing came hours after they'd all been given new contracts! He really is a $$$$, and Moxey is a fool to have been caugh out like this.
danhlibertine
03-07-2006, 21:42
Three golden words in football - NEVER GO BACK
OldWolvesfart
03-07-2006, 21:48
Three golden words in football - NEVER GO BACK
No arguement. Sometimes it is harder to go forward especially with the lack of choices. Who would want a managers job at Wolves at the moment, and why?
No arguement. Sometimes it is harder to go forward especially with the lack of choices. Who would want a managers job at Wolves at the moment, and why?
Darko Pancev
03-07-2006, 22:48
Tell me, who as a manager produced this?
FA Barclaycard Premiership
Pos Team P W D L F A GD Pts
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1 Arsenal 38 26 12 0 73 26 47 90 C
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2 Chelsea 38 24 7 7 67 30 37 79
3 Man United 38 23 6 9 64 35 29 75
4 Liverpool 38 16 12 10 55 37 18 60
5 Newcastle 38 13 17 8 52 40 12 56
6 A. Villa 38 15 11 12 48 44 4 56
7 Charlton 38 14 11 13 51 51 0 53
8 Bolton 38 14 11 13 48 56 -8 53
9 Fulham 38 14 10 14 52 46 6 52
10 B'mingham 38 12 14 12 43 48 -5 50
11 M'brough 38 13 9 16 44 52 -8 48
12 S'hampton 38 12 11 15 44 45 -1 47
13 P'tsmouth 38 12 9 17 47 54 -7 45
14 Spurs 38 13 6 19 47 57 -10 45
15 Blackburn 38 12 8 18 51 59 -8 44
16 Man City 38 9 14 15 55 54 1 41
17 Everton 38 9 12 17 45 57 -12 39
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18 Leicester 38 6 15 17 48 65 -17 33 R
19 Leeds 38 8 9 21 40 79 -39 33 R
20 Wolves 38 7 12 19 38 77 -39 33 R:mad: :mad: :mad:
You're right, I'm really struggling.....:rolleyes:
FA Barclaycard Premiership
Pos Team P W D L F A GD Pts
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1 Arsenal 38 26 12 0 73 26 47 90 C
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2 Chelsea 38 24 7 7 67 30 37 79
3 Man United 38 23 6 9 64 35 29 75
4 Liverpool 38 16 12 10 55 37 18 60
5 Newcastle 38 13 17 8 52 40 12 56
6 A. Villa 38 15 11 12 48 44 4 56
7 Charlton 38 14 11 13 51 51 0 53
8 Bolton 38 14 11 13 48 56 -8 53
9 Fulham 38 14 10 14 52 46 6 52
10 B'mingham 38 12 14 12 43 48 -5 50
11 M'brough 38 13 9 16 44 52 -8 48
12 S'hampton 38 12 11 15 44 45 -1 47
13 P'tsmouth 38 12 9 17 47 54 -7 45
14 Spurs 38 13 6 19 47 57 -10 45
15 Blackburn 38 12 8 18 51 59 -8 44
16 Man City 38 9 14 15 55 54 1 41
17 Everton 38 9 12 17 45 57 -12 39
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18 Leicester 38 6 15 17 48 65 -17 33 R
19 Leeds 38 8 9 21 40 79 -39 33 R
20 Wolves 38 7 12 19 38 77 -39 33 R:mad: :mad: :mad:
You're right, I'm really struggling.....:rolleyes:
Florida Wolfey
03-07-2006, 22:51
In order to bring some sanity to things, let's consider what Jones achieved after spending 25 million:
Aug - Dec 04 :
2 weeks in 15th place
1 week in 16th place
7 weeks in 17th place
3 weeks in 18th place
4 weeks in 19th place
7 weeks in 20th place
1 week in 21st place
1 week in 22nd place
Aug - Dec 04 :
2 weeks in 15th place
1 week in 16th place
7 weeks in 17th place
3 weeks in 18th place
4 weeks in 19th place
7 weeks in 20th place
1 week in 21st place
1 week in 22nd place
OldWolvesfart
03-07-2006, 22:52
Put a sock in it Darko
Darko Pancev
03-07-2006, 22:57
Put a sock in it Darko
Silly old me, thinking this was a forum where people expressed opinions. Please accept my humble apologies for having the audacity to do just that.....:rolleyes:
Silly old me, thinking this was a forum where people expressed opinions. Please accept my humble apologies for having the audacity to do just that.....:rolleyes:
TheDarkside
03-07-2006, 22:59
In order to bring some sanity to things, let's consider what Jones achieved after spending 25 million:
Aug - Dec 04 :
2 weeks in 15th place
1 week in 16th place
7 weeks in 17th place
3 weeks in 18th place
4 weeks in 19th place
7 weeks in 20th place
1 week in 21st place
1 week in 22nd place
Dave Jones was sacked for forgetting to have a defence.
Jez has now trumped him by forgetting the manager and the entire team.
Aug - Dec 04 :
2 weeks in 15th place
1 week in 16th place
7 weeks in 17th place
3 weeks in 18th place
4 weeks in 19th place
7 weeks in 20th place
1 week in 21st place
1 week in 22nd place
Dave Jones was sacked for forgetting to have a defence.
Jez has now trumped him by forgetting the manager and the entire team.
SOUTHBANK_BULLY
03-07-2006, 23:15
Tell me, who as a manager produced this?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39084000/jpg/_39084336_cele2_300.jpg[/IMG]
tell me , which manager signed this player then kept him in the reserves for the whole season then decide to play him 5 or 6 times in that 5 or 6 times he looked world class but dave jones didnt see this and offloaded him ;)
http://www.wolves.stats.btinternet.co.uk/players/okonowyo.jpg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39084000/jpg/_39084336_cele2_300.jpg[/IMG]
tell me , which manager signed this player then kept him in the reserves for the whole season then decide to play him 5 or 6 times in that 5 or 6 times he looked world class but dave jones didnt see this and offloaded him ;)
http://www.wolves.stats.btinternet.co.uk/players/okonowyo.jpg
Deutsch Wolf
03-07-2006, 23:18
he looked world class
:eek: x 1000
:eek: x 1000
Kenny-11
03-07-2006, 23:20
:eek: x 1000
I'll add another 3000 to that
I'll add another 3000 to that
Darko Pancev
03-07-2006, 23:29
tell me , which manager signed this player then kept him in the reserves for the whole season then decide to play him 5 or 6 times in that 5 or 6 times he looked world class :eek: but dave jones didnt see this and offloaded him ;)
You're a harsh man Bully! How can you ever question the Great One's judgement of a good central defender? This is the man after all who allowed us to enjoy the 'skills' of these two greats.....
http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:PsUryH__uk3TvM:http://www.franktastic.chickenshack.co.uk/images/jody_craddock.jpg (http://www.franktastic.chickenshack.co.uk/images/jody_craddock.jpg) http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:EDbWOPjZMk4PmM:newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39327000/jpg/_39327529_luzhny203.jpg (http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39327000/jpg/_39327529_luzhny203.jpg&imgrefurl=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/3099713.stm&h=152&w=203&sz=8&hl=en&start=2&tbnid=EDbWOPjZMk4PmM:&tbnh=74&tbnw=99&prev=/images%3Fq%3Doleg%2Bluzhny%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den% 26lr%3D)
"I'll give you £1.6m for the pair!". Bargain....:rolleyes:
You're a harsh man Bully! How can you ever question the Great One's judgement of a good central defender? This is the man after all who allowed us to enjoy the 'skills' of these two greats.....
http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:PsUryH__uk3TvM:http://www.franktastic.chickenshack.co.uk/images/jody_craddock.jpg (http://www.franktastic.chickenshack.co.uk/images/jody_craddock.jpg) http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:EDbWOPjZMk4PmM:newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39327000/jpg/_39327529_luzhny203.jpg (http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39327000/jpg/_39327529_luzhny203.jpg&imgrefurl=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/3099713.stm&h=152&w=203&sz=8&hl=en&start=2&tbnid=EDbWOPjZMk4PmM:&tbnh=74&tbnw=99&prev=/images%3Fq%3Doleg%2Bluzhny%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den% 26lr%3D)
"I'll give you £1.6m for the pair!". Bargain....:rolleyes:
wolf of sedgley
03-07-2006, 23:29
After reading that, i reckon SB_UK must be someone like deutsch wolf's sock puppet. "world class" -I'm not even laughing.
Nashie
03-07-2006, 23:31
Got 20 plus million for him to waste have you?
Nope, and neither have Cardiff, hasn't stopped him wheeling and dealing has it, and like I said earlier - Cardiff will finish above us next season.
Jones told the board they could let him do things 2 ways - One last roll of the dice and give him lots of money to spend, or they could leave him alone for 3 years and let him build a side. They chose the former and he delivered.
Get him back and let him know the financial constraints, give him a couple of years and I think he can build a side capable of sneaking into the playoffs, because thats all we can ever hope for at the moment. Thats the loftiest of our aspirations - the playoffs!
Nope, and neither have Cardiff, hasn't stopped him wheeling and dealing has it, and like I said earlier - Cardiff will finish above us next season.
Jones told the board they could let him do things 2 ways - One last roll of the dice and give him lots of money to spend, or they could leave him alone for 3 years and let him build a side. They chose the former and he delivered.
Get him back and let him know the financial constraints, give him a couple of years and I think he can build a side capable of sneaking into the playoffs, because thats all we can ever hope for at the moment. Thats the loftiest of our aspirations - the playoffs!
Deutsch Wolf
03-07-2006, 23:32
After reading that, i reckon SB_UK must be someone like deutsch wolf's sock puppet. "world class" -I'm not even laughing.
Yeah, I've got time to make 8,000 posts and still have a fairly prolific sock puppet. Trust me, he's for real. :eek:
Yeah, I've got time to make 8,000 posts and still have a fairly prolific sock puppet. Trust me, he's for real. :eek:
Manitoba Wolf
04-07-2006, 00:40
Nope, and neither have Cardiff, hasn't stopped him wheeling and dealing has it, and like I said earlier - Cardiff will finish above us next season.
Jones told the board they could let him do things 2 ways - One last roll of the dice and give him lots of money to spend, or they could leave him alone for 3 years and let him build a side. They chose the former and he delivered.
Get him back and let him know the financial constraints, give him a couple of years and I think he can build a side capable of sneaking into the playoffs, because thats all we can ever hope for at the moment. Thats the loftiest of our aspirations - the playoffs!
What happened with Jones's plan when we were relegated. Were Seyi and Seol at 2.7 (or 2.9 million) pounds a good deal? Why did Jones not player Miller up front in the prem? Why did he sign but not play Oko? Why did he put Jones in net over Oakes? He's just a manager who was allowed to buy his way out of the 1st division, couldn't cut it in the prem and totally lost the plot upon relegation, even though he had a sack full of cash to spend. Cardiff are welcome to him.
Jones told the board they could let him do things 2 ways - One last roll of the dice and give him lots of money to spend, or they could leave him alone for 3 years and let him build a side. They chose the former and he delivered.
Get him back and let him know the financial constraints, give him a couple of years and I think he can build a side capable of sneaking into the playoffs, because thats all we can ever hope for at the moment. Thats the loftiest of our aspirations - the playoffs!
What happened with Jones's plan when we were relegated. Were Seyi and Seol at 2.7 (or 2.9 million) pounds a good deal? Why did Jones not player Miller up front in the prem? Why did he sign but not play Oko? Why did he put Jones in net over Oakes? He's just a manager who was allowed to buy his way out of the 1st division, couldn't cut it in the prem and totally lost the plot upon relegation, even though he had a sack full of cash to spend. Cardiff are welcome to him.
Welsh Y'am Y'am
04-07-2006, 02:11
What happened with Jones's plan when we were relegated. Were Seyi and Seol at 2.7 (or 2.9 million) pounds a good deal? Why did Jones not player Miller up front in the prem? Why did he sign but not play Oko? Why did he put Jones in net over Oakes? He's just a manager who was allowed to buy his way out of the 1st division, couldn't cut it in the prem and totally lost the plot upon relegation, even though he had a sack full of cash to spend. Cardiff are welcome to him.
He was also tactically inept. When his 4-4-2 went wrong he had no plan B. If Newton, Kennedy and Blake were underperforming, so did the whole team as that was how we scored goals - Newton up the right-cross-Blake control-Sturridge/Miller scores... Kennedy up the ledt-cross-Blake control-Sturridge/Miller scores.
The problem was that, after 2 seasons in Div1 playing like this, Jones' favourites Kennedy and Blake (first names on teamsheet when fit, regardless of form) turned into shadows of their former selves and Newton became incredibly inconsistent despite always trying hard imo.
The 4-5-1 he switched to in the prem relied on Blake (or Iversen) too much, and we didn't have the defence to cope with prem quality strikers once midfielders younger than Rae, Ince and Cameron had got through the middle of the park - no, Lescott being injured wasn't Jones' fault, but he didn't get ANY cover at fullback and the Luzhny signing was pointless.
As for Jones' final season in charge - it was dire. Remember Kennedy's switch to left back? Olofinjana's pansying around in the middle of the pitch? Gillingham? Jones' inability to deal with Miller? His mate Paul Jones starting no-matter what, despite being past-it? Still no fullbacks signed despite Irwin's retirement? The panic-buy centre-half who's name I cannot bear to mention after Butler's departure and the Sinclair debacle? I could go on...
I'm happy Hoddle's gone, but some people really do suffer from 'the grass is greener' syndrome. Hoddle's style was the polar opposite of Jones', but that doesn't mean we should get Jones back - he failed here, end of.
He was also tactically inept. When his 4-4-2 went wrong he had no plan B. If Newton, Kennedy and Blake were underperforming, so did the whole team as that was how we scored goals - Newton up the right-cross-Blake control-Sturridge/Miller scores... Kennedy up the ledt-cross-Blake control-Sturridge/Miller scores.
The problem was that, after 2 seasons in Div1 playing like this, Jones' favourites Kennedy and Blake (first names on teamsheet when fit, regardless of form) turned into shadows of their former selves and Newton became incredibly inconsistent despite always trying hard imo.
The 4-5-1 he switched to in the prem relied on Blake (or Iversen) too much, and we didn't have the defence to cope with prem quality strikers once midfielders younger than Rae, Ince and Cameron had got through the middle of the park - no, Lescott being injured wasn't Jones' fault, but he didn't get ANY cover at fullback and the Luzhny signing was pointless.
As for Jones' final season in charge - it was dire. Remember Kennedy's switch to left back? Olofinjana's pansying around in the middle of the pitch? Gillingham? Jones' inability to deal with Miller? His mate Paul Jones starting no-matter what, despite being past-it? Still no fullbacks signed despite Irwin's retirement? The panic-buy centre-half who's name I cannot bear to mention after Butler's departure and the Sinclair debacle? I could go on...
I'm happy Hoddle's gone, but some people really do suffer from 'the grass is greener' syndrome. Hoddle's style was the polar opposite of Jones', but that doesn't mean we should get Jones back - he failed here, end of.
Florida Wolfey
04-07-2006, 02:53
And here's Jones transfer log:
Paul Butler 1,000,000
Cedric Roussel 1,530,000
2001/02
Sean Connelly Free
Mark Kennedy 2,000,000
Shaun Newton 850,000
Colin Cameron 1,750,000
Nathan Blake 1,500,000
Alex Rae 1,200,000
Kenny Miller 3,000,000
Dean Sturridge 350,000
Kevin Cooper 1,000,000
2002/03
Ivar Ingimarsson Free
Denis Irwin Free
Paul Ince Free
Marc Edworthy Free
2003/04
Isaac Okoronkwo Free
Silas 1,000,000
Oleg Luzhny Free
Jody Craddock 1,750,000
Henri Camara 1,500,000
Steffen Iversen Free
Ioan Ganea Free
Carl Cort 2,000,000
Paul Jones 250,000
2004/05
Seyi Olofinjana 1,700,000
Rob Edwards 150,000
Joachim Bjorklund Free
Seol 1,200,000
Value for money......you decide.
But before you do....here's what he achieved;
Pos P W D L GF GA PTS
2004-05 19 15 4 5 6 18 19 17
Paul Butler 1,000,000
Cedric Roussel 1,530,000
2001/02
Sean Connelly Free
Mark Kennedy 2,000,000
Shaun Newton 850,000
Colin Cameron 1,750,000
Nathan Blake 1,500,000
Alex Rae 1,200,000
Kenny Miller 3,000,000
Dean Sturridge 350,000
Kevin Cooper 1,000,000
2002/03
Ivar Ingimarsson Free
Denis Irwin Free
Paul Ince Free
Marc Edworthy Free
2003/04
Isaac Okoronkwo Free
Silas 1,000,000
Oleg Luzhny Free
Jody Craddock 1,750,000
Henri Camara 1,500,000
Steffen Iversen Free
Ioan Ganea Free
Carl Cort 2,000,000
Paul Jones 250,000
2004/05
Seyi Olofinjana 1,700,000
Rob Edwards 150,000
Joachim Bjorklund Free
Seol 1,200,000
Value for money......you decide.
But before you do....here's what he achieved;
Pos P W D L GF GA PTS
2004-05 19 15 4 5 6 18 19 17
O.W.E.I
04-07-2006, 08:03
How many points did he spunk up the wall to let the Tescos get promoted?
The only other thing that needs to be said in response to one of the most stupid threads ever is 'Paul Jones'.
The only other thing that needs to be said in response to one of the most stupid threads ever is 'Paul Jones'.
SCB
04-07-2006, 08:52
Don't know if you're truly serious, SCB, but how could Jones coming back possibly work? SJH seemingly can't bear the guy and the atmosphere between him, Moxey and Rick would make all their jobs impossible.
I'm with you on his achievement, but it has to be filed away as history. Those saying we might as well bring back Graham Hawkins et al. are right - it's just as pointless as considering Jones returning as manager.
We need fresh ideas which is why I now think the coaching staff should go too, but square-jaw's timing came hours after they'd all been given new contracts! He really is a $$$$, and Moxey is a fool to have been caugh out like this.
No, Im not really serious on this. But look at the current shambles at Wolves, in that light Dave Jones for all his shortcomings - is not so bad. After all he got wolves into Premiership.
But - as you rightly point out - its all history now.
Problem is, where is Wolves going from here? To me it seems - nowhere.
:cool:
I'm with you on his achievement, but it has to be filed away as history. Those saying we might as well bring back Graham Hawkins et al. are right - it's just as pointless as considering Jones returning as manager.
We need fresh ideas which is why I now think the coaching staff should go too, but square-jaw's timing came hours after they'd all been given new contracts! He really is a $$$$, and Moxey is a fool to have been caugh out like this.
No, Im not really serious on this. But look at the current shambles at Wolves, in that light Dave Jones for all his shortcomings - is not so bad. After all he got wolves into Premiership.
But - as you rightly point out - its all history now.
Problem is, where is Wolves going from here? To me it seems - nowhere.
:cool:
Grinder
04-07-2006, 08:55
Do you really think Jones would want to come back to a badly run club like Wolves? When he had money he wasted it on crap players who only cared about money and not playing for us, without any money I dread to think what players he would bring in on free transfers.
SCB
04-07-2006, 09:01
Do you really think Jones would want to come back to a badly run club like Wolves? When he had money he wasted it on crap players who only cared about money and not playing for us, without any money I dread to think what players he would bring in on free transfers.
No, I don't think DJ would come back - he probably has a good deal at Cardiff, and he knows how things work at Wolves.
But look at the shambles Wolves are in now. WTF are going on - a manager who cold calls the club to resign and then refuse to meet with Moxey - a team off to Spain with no direction. A club owner gone mentally missing, and about 50.000 Wolves fans left "in the dark" as to what goes on with the club.
This is friggin insane, if you ask me.
:cool:
No, I don't think DJ would come back - he probably has a good deal at Cardiff, and he knows how things work at Wolves.
But look at the shambles Wolves are in now. WTF are going on - a manager who cold calls the club to resign and then refuse to meet with Moxey - a team off to Spain with no direction. A club owner gone mentally missing, and about 50.000 Wolves fans left "in the dark" as to what goes on with the club.
This is friggin insane, if you ask me.
:cool:
paddingtonwolf
04-07-2006, 09:02
Jones has been repeatedly slagged by Moxey.
He would probably only come back to $$$$ us up on some revenge mission.
He would probably only come back to $$$$ us up on some revenge mission.
Nashie
04-07-2006, 09:09
Jones has been repeatedly slagged by Moxey.
He would probably only come back to $$$$ us up on some revenge mission.
What could he possibly do that could $$$$ wolves up even more than they are at present?
He would probably only come back to $$$$ us up on some revenge mission.
What could he possibly do that could $$$$ wolves up even more than they are at present?
paddingtonwolf
04-07-2006, 09:12
fair point - it would certainly take a lot of effort, but I reckon DJ would be up for it
QB Wolf
04-07-2006, 09:17
What a stupid thread even as a massive Jones admirer he could never come back no matter how successful he was and compared to Turner,Taylor, McGhee, Lee and now Hoddle he was a massive success and the money he spent was re-couped by our promotion, he was let down badly when we went up and had to buy ****. However that is history forget Jones and Hoddle and look forward to a new era (well try to look forward).
Oldgold Wolfcub
04-07-2006, 09:20
Value for money......you decide.
But before you do....here's what he achieved;
Pos P W D L GF GA PTS
2004-05 19 15 4 5 6 18 19 17
Two things to add to this. Free transfers are not free to us, it just means the selling club dont get the money. So add bundles on there.
Also how much did we get back for these players apart from the ubelievable Camara saga?
But before you do....here's what he achieved;
Pos P W D L GF GA PTS
2004-05 19 15 4 5 6 18 19 17
Two things to add to this. Free transfers are not free to us, it just means the selling club dont get the money. So add bundles on there.
Also how much did we get back for these players apart from the ubelievable Camara saga?
TheDarkside
06-07-2006, 22:13
Jones has been repeatedly slagged by Moxey.
He would probably only come back to $$$$ us up on some revenge mission.
He paid Hoddle to do his dirty work for him.
He would probably only come back to $$$$ us up on some revenge mission.
He paid Hoddle to do his dirty work for him.
Kenny-11
06-07-2006, 22:16
tell me , which manager signed this player then kept him in the reserves for the whole season then decide to play him 5 or 6 times in that 5 or 6 times he looked world class but dave jones didnt see this and offloaded him
http://www.wolves.stats.btinternet.co.uk/players/okonowyo.jpg
This deserves quoting again and again and again and again
http://www.wolves.stats.btinternet.co.uk/players/okonowyo.jpg
This deserves quoting again and again and again and again
