Visage Wolf
03-07-2006, 11:39
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/5139054.stm
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EasternWolf
03-07-2006, 11:44
Small minds ... Prominent people like Andy Murray have not helped.
There are times when you can see the same attitude on this board when talking about fans from other clubs ... why should we expect it to be different with Scotland and England?
There are times when you can see the same attitude on this board when talking about fans from other clubs ... why should we expect it to be different with Scotland and England?
PabloWolfo
03-07-2006, 11:51
Poison their water, burn a few thatched hut rooves and kill some of their livestock, that'll bring 'em into line.
HIGHLANDER
03-07-2006, 11:55
Can the English really be described as being of a different race to the scots?
HIGHLANDER
03-07-2006, 11:56
Poison their water, burn a few thatched hut rooves and kill some of their livestock, that'll bring 'em into line.Send in the Redcoats.
EasternWolf
03-07-2006, 11:57
I think the analogy is Wolves and West Brom Highlander ...same race but just as $$$$ing daft as each other
paddingtonwolf
03-07-2006, 11:57
Can the English really be described as being of a different race to the scots?
yes - celts on the scottish side, some strange saxon/ dane/ norman hybrid south of Hadrian's wall
yes - celts on the scottish side, some strange saxon/ dane/ norman hybrid south of Hadrian's wall
GoldenHorseshoe
03-07-2006, 12:02
Can the English really be described as being of a different race to the scots?
You bet, in the same way that Canadians insist that they are different from Americans.
You bet, in the same way that Canadians insist that they are different from Americans.
Nashie
03-07-2006, 12:07
Isn't it more of a xenophobic attack than a racist one?
HIGHLANDER
03-07-2006, 12:15
yes - celts on the scottish side, some strange saxon/ dane/ norman hybrid south of Hadrian's wallYou would only need a handful of Anglo Saxons/Danes/Jutes/normans to father children with Celtic woman a thousand years ago for the whole of scotland to contain those genes today.I think all white Europeans are very closely related and cannot be considered racialy different.All this talk of Scotish racist attacks is utter rubbish.These attacks might have been motivated by a warped sense of nationalism but are definitely not racist.Race laws do not cover such attacks.
wolf of sedgley
03-07-2006, 12:16
Isn't it more of a xenophobic attack than a racist one?
Yeah but if its called a xenophobic attack no one will be bothered. Racist attack sounds better.
The scots have $$$$ed me off the past few months with their "hate the english" bull$$$$. $$$$$ like Andy Murray have shown that it is a deeprooted hate for the English. Just because they are a conquered nation- get over it. The sooner Murray crashes out of wimbledon the better.
Yeah but if its called a xenophobic attack no one will be bothered. Racist attack sounds better.
The scots have $$$$ed me off the past few months with their "hate the english" bull$$$$. $$$$$ like Andy Murray have shown that it is a deeprooted hate for the English. Just because they are a conquered nation- get over it. The sooner Murray crashes out of wimbledon the better.
Welsh Y'am Y'am
03-07-2006, 12:18
Yeh, the article uses the word 'racist' whereas really it must be xenophobic. Whatever you want to call it, it's a hate crime and completely unjustifiable. It doesn't do the image of the British football fan much good - you would NEVER see this sort of thing amongst rugby supporters, and England are just as hated by rugby fans in Celtic nations.
SCB
03-07-2006, 12:22
Why do Scots hate english??
After all they voted for english soverinty themselves, to rid them of dutch roix Willem II.
I used to know a few scot friends in Glasgow and they were fierce Britains.
After all they voted for english soverinty themselves, to rid them of dutch roix Willem II.
I used to know a few scot friends in Glasgow and they were fierce Britains.
Templeton Peck
03-07-2006, 12:23
The Scottish first Minister legitimises stuff like this when he said he would be supporting 'anyone that played England' a few weeks ago. Fair enough the man can support who he likes but is this really the sort of thing a leader of a nation should be saying? Imagine the uproar if Blair had said he was supporting anyone who plays France/Germany/Australia etc. The more they take the pee, wear Argentina shirts and commit acts of violence it is they that are looking stupid and bringing shame upon the decent people in Scotland. Its a bit like Kidderminster fans getting excited about a Wolves defeat.
HIGHLANDER
03-07-2006, 12:25
You bet, in the same way that Canadians insist that they are different from Americans.White Canadians and white Americans might like their own different identity just as we do,but at the end of the day they are racialy the same.
Welsh Y'am Y'am
03-07-2006, 12:27
Yeah but if its called a xenophobic attack no one will be bothered. Racist attack sounds better.
The scots have $$$$ed me off the past few months with their "hate the english" bull$$$$. $$$$$ like Andy Murray have shown that it is a deeprooted hate for the English. Just because they are a conquered nation- get over it. The sooner Murray crashes out of wimbledon the better.
After his victory over Andy Roddick, Murray said it was a shame for British sport that England were knocked out. While I imagine he has received advice as to how to conduct himself in interviews regarding England, I really don't think that he can be held even partially responsable for mad nationalists attacking England fans. The view that Murray is reported to have taken, ie "I'll support anyone who's playing England" is probably held by the majority of Scots and yet its the minority that are taking it too far.
Like I just mentioned, in rugby we ALL take the "I'll support anyone who's playing England" stance, but you would never in a million years see people getting attacked for supporting England.
There's a massive rivalry and an incredible bitterness held by a lot of people in the Celtic nations towards the English that you just wouldn't be familiar with nor understand without having lived there. However, mindless violence by nationalist nutters is a separate issue - these guys are clearly both thick AND full of hate to have attacked people for wearing an England shirt.
This is a magnification of the animosity we see between rival club fans in football - Wolves/Albion, for example, and it really is a sad indictment of the lows that some morons will go to.
The scots have $$$$ed me off the past few months with their "hate the english" bull$$$$. $$$$$ like Andy Murray have shown that it is a deeprooted hate for the English. Just because they are a conquered nation- get over it. The sooner Murray crashes out of wimbledon the better.
After his victory over Andy Roddick, Murray said it was a shame for British sport that England were knocked out. While I imagine he has received advice as to how to conduct himself in interviews regarding England, I really don't think that he can be held even partially responsable for mad nationalists attacking England fans. The view that Murray is reported to have taken, ie "I'll support anyone who's playing England" is probably held by the majority of Scots and yet its the minority that are taking it too far.
Like I just mentioned, in rugby we ALL take the "I'll support anyone who's playing England" stance, but you would never in a million years see people getting attacked for supporting England.
There's a massive rivalry and an incredible bitterness held by a lot of people in the Celtic nations towards the English that you just wouldn't be familiar with nor understand without having lived there. However, mindless violence by nationalist nutters is a separate issue - these guys are clearly both thick AND full of hate to have attacked people for wearing an England shirt.
This is a magnification of the animosity we see between rival club fans in football - Wolves/Albion, for example, and it really is a sad indictment of the lows that some morons will go to.
SCB
03-07-2006, 12:32
I must say i dont understand the subject of this thread: The scots hating the brits.
In all my doings with scots Ive always notices their pride in being britons, burt also being scots, and those ive met has not seen any problem with the both.
I was i Edinburgh during the referendum when Scotland voted for home rule (of some kind) an yes, they were happy and proud, but i did not register ANYONE giving the english the finger.
I used to live with two scots from Glasgow during a work-tenure i Saudi Arabia in the 80s, and during the Falklands war. They were ready to flatten Argentina in the name of England. Or nuke Buenos Aires.
So, i dont get it.
In all my doings with scots Ive always notices their pride in being britons, burt also being scots, and those ive met has not seen any problem with the both.
I was i Edinburgh during the referendum when Scotland voted for home rule (of some kind) an yes, they were happy and proud, but i did not register ANYONE giving the english the finger.
I used to live with two scots from Glasgow during a work-tenure i Saudi Arabia in the 80s, and during the Falklands war. They were ready to flatten Argentina in the name of England. Or nuke Buenos Aires.
So, i dont get it.
Munich_Wolf
03-07-2006, 12:45
The Scottish first Minister legitimises stuff like this when he said he would be supporting 'anyone that played England' a few weeks ago.
I consider that fair rival banter, exactly the same when WBA lose regardless who they're playing. It would be different if a WBA fan got beat up for going shopping in Wolves with his shirt on though wouldn't it.
I consider that fair rival banter, exactly the same when WBA lose regardless who they're playing. It would be different if a WBA fan got beat up for going shopping in Wolves with his shirt on though wouldn't it.
glasgowwolf
03-07-2006, 13:10
Don't get me started on the amount of Racism north of the border.
ANYONE BUT MURRAY thats fair enough.
For weeks now I have had to listen to Anti English Racism on the Radio, read it in the papers.
The record last week was brilliant, inside the paper 4 pages of Anti English racist comments.
Half a page dedicated to Murray, most of that was highlighting comments made in England about wanting Murray to lose (something that cannot come quick enough for me)
Yet the editorial accused England of being anti Scottish racists... Pot Kettle Black any one.
There is a bit of panic up here at the moment over the Commons voting to stop MP'S from north of the border voting on items that only affect England, even Alex Salmond (SNP leader) moaning against it.
They seem to see it as a step towards English Independence, something I pray for in my life time.
Why should England have anything to do with 2 countries that are intrisically racist againtst them.
ANYONE BUT MURRAY thats fair enough.
For weeks now I have had to listen to Anti English Racism on the Radio, read it in the papers.
The record last week was brilliant, inside the paper 4 pages of Anti English racist comments.
Half a page dedicated to Murray, most of that was highlighting comments made in England about wanting Murray to lose (something that cannot come quick enough for me)
Yet the editorial accused England of being anti Scottish racists... Pot Kettle Black any one.
There is a bit of panic up here at the moment over the Commons voting to stop MP'S from north of the border voting on items that only affect England, even Alex Salmond (SNP leader) moaning against it.
They seem to see it as a step towards English Independence, something I pray for in my life time.
Why should England have anything to do with 2 countries that are intrisically racist againtst them.
paddingtonwolf
03-07-2006, 13:11
worms. open. a. of. can.
I think we have been here before
I think we have been here before
Wivey Wolf
03-07-2006, 13:14
The best way to sort out Scotland would be to tell Bush that there's oil there - then he'll invade. I can't think of a way to get him to invade Wales though...
Florida Wolfey
03-07-2006, 13:18
Don't forget, this is a nation that thinks Kenny Miller is an international class forward. ;)
Deutsch Wolf
03-07-2006, 13:20
I can't think of a way to get him to invade Wales though...
Use it for nuclear testing?
Use it for nuclear testing?
Hibbitt was King
03-07-2006, 13:22
The best way to sort out Scotland would be to tell Bush that there's oil there - then he'll invade. I can't think of a way to get him to invade Wales though...
Wait for a Democrat president and tell him about all the Welsh rarebits...;)
Wait for a Democrat president and tell him about all the Welsh rarebits...;)
Visage Wolf
03-07-2006, 13:26
Use it for nuclear testing?
What about the mutations though?
What about the mutations though?
Deutsch Wolf
03-07-2006, 13:35
They'll just have to live with it.
wolfan
03-07-2006, 13:40
I can't think of a way to get him to invade Wales though...
Build a prison in Cardiff, stick all the terror suspects in there, and then tell Bush that they are harbouring Islamist extremists. Bingo.
Build a prison in Cardiff, stick all the terror suspects in there, and then tell Bush that they are harbouring Islamist extremists. Bingo.
Visage Wolf
03-07-2006, 13:41
They'll just have to live with it.
Thank $$$$ for that...i had visions of it dribbling through the box and going out for a throw-in.....
Thank $$$$ for that...i had visions of it dribbling through the box and going out for a throw-in.....
fenella
03-07-2006, 13:44
FFS there's been 3 incidents of a few nutters beating someone up - its not like Scotland have declared war on us. Nutters beat people up all the time, for lots of different stupid reasons but it never gets reported. I don't think you can blame Andy Murray for just giving his personal opinion. Banter is banter. Nutters are nutters. I think linking the two is just daft. In a BBC Led Zep session Robert Plant sang about the 'Albion Blues' but it doesn't mean he's partly responsible if some South Bank chav decides to nut someone for wearing an Albion strip does it?
glasgowwolf
03-07-2006, 13:50
FFS there's been 3 incidents of a few nutters beating someone up - its not like Scotland have declared war on us. Nutters beat people up all the time, for lots of different stupid reasons but it never gets reported. I don't think you can blame Andy Murray for just giving his personal opinion. Banter is banter. Nutters are nutters. I think linking the two is just daft. In a BBC Led Zep session Robert Plant sang about the 'Albion Blues' but it doesn't mean he's partly responsible if some South Bank chav decides to nut someone for wearing an Albion strip does it?
Fenella
So you think that those 3 incidents were in the minority or the only ones......
No chance the sooner England in independent the better
Fenella
So you think that those 3 incidents were in the minority or the only ones......
No chance the sooner England in independent the better
markb
03-07-2006, 13:54
Contrary to the 'Tartan Army's publicity campaign, Scottish football supporters have a poor record when it comes to violence and inter-team rivalry (just visit Glasgow when there's an old firm game). It's hardly surprising, then, that there has been some trouble. But then, it's not exactly the end of the world, though, is it? There was a big punch up on Jersey between Portuguese and English fans on saturday - does this mean we should send in the SAS?
SCB
03-07-2006, 14:02
Fenella
So you think that those 3 incidents were in the minority or the only ones......
No chance the sooner England in independent the better
Do you really understand how irrelevant the talk of scot independence is.
The world is rapidly becoming interconnected to an extend where old nationality differences no more matters.
Some of the big topics now are not whether scorts hate english, or macedonians hate greeks, etc.etc.
Thge big things is on other fields, such as: Turkey wants to join the EU on their terms which is regulation of the freedom of speech so taht there are certain things that cannot be challenged.
In this context the scot-english rift is stupid.
So you think that those 3 incidents were in the minority or the only ones......
No chance the sooner England in independent the better
Do you really understand how irrelevant the talk of scot independence is.
The world is rapidly becoming interconnected to an extend where old nationality differences no more matters.
Some of the big topics now are not whether scorts hate english, or macedonians hate greeks, etc.etc.
Thge big things is on other fields, such as: Turkey wants to join the EU on their terms which is regulation of the freedom of speech so taht there are certain things that cannot be challenged.
In this context the scot-english rift is stupid.
paddingtonwolf
03-07-2006, 14:04
glasgow - if you hate scotland this much, surely you need to consider moving?
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