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holloholloway
04-06-2006, 14:24
Give me your thoughts on the fact that because there is no reserve team that would mean terry connor or stewart gray will be surplus to requirements. As connor has a two year contract and gray is out of contract will that mean that moxey will get rid of gray and promote connor as it is pointless to have a reserve team coach when we have no reserve team.
Also if there is no reserve team won't it affect the young players coming through. They will be picking up their wages but won't have any competitive games to play and will probably go backwards as a result. As ever your thoughts are welcome.
Kenny-11
04-06-2006, 14:57
There will be no Wolves team in a reserve league. The reserve team will play friendly games instead. So the reserve team hasn't been axed. I would guess the club not using Telford for the games is saving money and they can host the friendly games at Compton. If you remember during the shut down of the reserve league over Christmas we played a few games to keep the kids fit and to help the likes of Cort, Murray and Ndah regain fitness.
What the club need to do is explain how much they are saving from being a reserve league and how many games they are aiming to play throughout next season. This has been posted in the Parliament Forum and I hope the reps use it as one of their main points in meeting number 1.
The Bear
04-06-2006, 15:04
As above we will arrange games with Prem and other teams not participating in the reserve league, at ours and their convenience:
"We expect that next season more of our young professionals will be either involved in the first team squad or will be gaining first team experience out on loan. Given that there is also a 28-game Academy league programme to fulfil, we felt there was a danger of overplaying our youngsters if we also entered a reserve competition.
"This approach worked successfully for Derby County last season and other Midland clubs are likely to take this course. Leicester have already said they will not play in a reserve league.
"We will be looking to arrange fixtures with these clubs and top-flight sides who have expressed an interest in playing more fixtures than the revised Premier League schedule allows them. This gives our players the chance to learn and develop at times that suit our first team fixtures, rather than having to fulfil regular commitments.
"Reserve team coach Terry Connor will continue to be involved in the coaching of the club's young pros and will take responsibility for arranging friendly games. It is likely that these matches will take place either AT Molineux, AFC Telford United or the Sir Jack Hayward Training Ground.
"We realise that there are many fans who enjoy watching reserve games and we look forward to welcoming them to these friendly matches. Dates and times will be publicised on our website and in the local press."
Bumbamuffin
04-06-2006, 15:06
Give me your thoughts on the fact that because there is no reserve team that would mean terry connor or stewart gray will be surplus to requirements. As connor has a two year contract and gray is out of contract will that mean that moxey will get rid of gray and promote connor as it is pointless to have a reserve team coach when we have no reserve team.
Also if there is no reserve team won't it affect the young players coming through. They will be picking up their wages but won't have any competitive games to play and will probably go backwards as a result. As ever your thoughts are welcome.
Re. Gray & Connor,you'd think so wouldn't you but with it being Wolves,it wouldn't surprise me if Gray was given another lengthy contract.
The culling of the reserve team is a very short sighted move.As you say,it will affect the development of the youth players but in addition,what about players coming back from long term injuries?
There's clearly no great pattern to the thinking at the club-just a 'mish mash' of reactive policies.The whole club is based on crisis management-the prozone 'decision' is another example.It's been well commented on but in a time were alledgedly turning to youth,the money from the awful Frankowski signing could probably have been used for puchasing several younger players plus the reserve team and prozone.
Under Moxey and all,we have struggled to be successful when money was in abundance.People think that by removing this money success would probably follow! I see moves such as the re-appointment of Hoddle and the removal of the reserve team and really begin to wonder.
Kenny-11
04-06-2006, 15:07
The culling of the reserve team.
It hasn't been culled
Bumbamuffin
04-06-2006, 15:12
It hasn't been culled
I've just read the comment from Moxey above and fair comment,it hasn't been culled as such.
However,surely if they are looking at this as an avenue to save money,there will have to be a major reduction in number of reserve games played.This will still have a negative effect IMO even though technically the reserve team will exist.
The Bear
04-06-2006, 15:23
They're not doing it to save money, they want the reserve players to play a higher standard of opposition in Premier League and other Championship reserve teams. If they wanted to stay in a reserve league they would have to play in the Pontin's Holiday League (http://www.football-league.premiumtv.co.uk/page/ReserveNewsDetail/0,,10794~675273,00.html) - Click for teams involved.
Also, more reserve and younger players will be brought into the first team setup or loaned out to other clubs to gain first team experience. The Academy setup and youth fixtures remain the same.
IMO this is helping their development, rather than stifling it, by playing them against better teams and better players. Terry Connor will oversee all this so will keep his job. Stuart Gray will probably continue coaching the first team with Hoddle.
End of discussion.
Kenny-11
04-06-2006, 15:27
They're not doing it to save money, .
Money will be saved from not playing in it. Do you not think this had some sort of reason for quitting the league?
Kenny-11
04-06-2006, 15:28
As for Gray......his contract ends soon doesn't it (end of the month) and I haven't seen any stories where we have offered him a new deal or are set to discuss terms.
holloholloway
04-06-2006, 15:47
You have to pay a fee to enter the pontins league and you have to pay referees and officials and telford money each game. What , so we're going to play leicester, derby , shrewsbury anbd macclesfield. All the other teams are in reserve leagues. Playing friendlies against these teams isnt enough and won't challenge the players, it isn't as competitive as playing in a league. What are we going to do when macnamara or other senior players get injuries , how are we going to arrange games for them to get match fitness. Chris cornes etc are going to get bored picking up their wages each week and not playing any games. In my opinion it's a cataclysmic mistake. Like you say we havent heard about gray's contract so it must mean he will leave wolves. I'm not happy about this situation and i want it addressed in the fans parliament.
The Bear
04-06-2006, 17:35
We may save money as a consequence but I doubt that's the reason for quitting. If the Prem reserve league accepted teams from outside the Premier league we'd still be in it, simple as that.
hollo - Moxey has said we will play Prem reserve teams that want more fixtures for their players as well as other Football League teams. in the Pontins they wouldn't play any Prem teams, just 3 or 4 Championship clubs and lower league teams.
We managed to arrange friendlies for recouperating players last season, so I don't see why it will be a problem this season.
It will give us more control over when players play instead of basing that around existing first team fixtures, and free more up to go on loan for first team experience. I don't see the problem.
TheDarkside
04-06-2006, 17:45
It hasn't been culled
Of course it has. What planet are you on?
If Jez Moxey said Jack the Ripper didn't commit murder, he merely thinned out the population, would you believe him?
We are clearly witnessing another wild swing of the Random Pendulum instigated by our inept board. Save money and rely on youth has become save money and do things completely inconsistent with our relying on youth policy.
TheDarkside
04-06-2006, 17:48
As for Gray......his contract ends soon doesn't it (end of the month) and I haven't seen any stories where we have offered him a new deal or are set to discuss terms.
I seem to remember that the main reason that we appointed hoddle was because he liked Gray and could work with him.
gaz kford
04-06-2006, 17:50
Of course it has. What planet are you on?
If Jez Moxey said Jack the Ripper didn't commit murder, he merely thinned out the population, would you believe him?
Yes and Saddam, Hitler,The pope(Know not this one) Paul pot. etc etc etc etc etc etc ;):rolleyes:
holloholloway
04-06-2006, 17:51
I seem to remember that the main reason that we appointed hoddle was because he liked Gray and could work with him.
With no reserve league i reckon that it lessens the duties of connor. I think gray will go and connor promoted, especially if it saves the club money. Connor signed a 2 year deal because bristol rovers wanted him as their manager.
Deutsch Wolf
04-06-2006, 17:55
Does anyone else think TheDarkside's posts have more than the slightest whiff of Peckhamwolf about them?
Kenny-11
04-06-2006, 17:55
Of course it has. What planet are you on?
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I'll tell you next season.........just before the reserve team kicks off a match at Compton
gaz kford
04-06-2006, 17:56
Does anyone else think TheDarkside's posts have more than the slightest whiff of Peckhamwolf about them?
Pick ME ME ME ME ME ME ME:D :D
By the way DW i am not a sock puppet Apologises
dazmanwolf
04-06-2006, 20:36
There is a reserve team, just no reserve team league!
Games will still happen, but will be more locally arranged amongst similar teams who do not play in reserve leagues.
holloholloway
04-06-2006, 20:46
Every club in the country plays in the reserve league apart from leicester and derby and we can't keep playing each other all the time.. It's a big mistake however people try to dress it up and a backward step. In a year's time we'll be counting the costs
Essex Wolf
04-06-2006, 20:52
It could be argued that having had a reserve team playing in a proper? reserve leage hasn't done us a lot of good so not playing in one won't make much difference???
get rid of both Gray and o'conner and bring in one of Gorman or kidd to assist Hoddle
Every club in the country plays in the reserve league apart from leicester and derby and we can't keep playing each other all the time.. It's a big mistake however people try to dress it up and a backward step. In a year's time we'll be counting the costs
I noticed Moxey making a point of them doing it last year. That they went from the play-offs to a relegation battle within 12 months of dropping it is of course a total coincidence...
Deutsch Wolf
04-06-2006, 21:07
I'd suggest that Derby selling their top goalscorer from the previous season and never replacing him contributed more to their problems last season than the lack of a reserve team.....
holloholloway
04-06-2006, 22:55
The reserve team development troubles me. People like daniel jones and mark little can't develop if they aren't playing competitive matches.
There will be no Wolves team in a reserve league. The reserve team will play friendly games instead. So the reserve team hasn't been axed. I would guess the club not using Telford for the games is saving money and they can host the friendly games at Compton. If you remember during the shut down of the reserve league over Christmas we played a few games to keep the kids fit and to help the likes of Cort, Murray and Ndah regain fitness.
What the club need to do is explain how much they are saving from being a reserve league and how many games they are aiming to play throughout next season. This has been posted in the Parliament Forum and I hope the reps use it as one of their main points in meeting number 1.
They could join the League which Willenhall play in....about the level of Wolves and their bloody board at the moment.
TheDarkside
04-06-2006, 23:02
Does anyone else think TheDarkside's posts have more than the slightest whiff of Peckhamwolf about them?
yes, I do
Does anyone else think TheDarkside's posts have more than the slightest whiff of Peckhamwolf about them?
Nah.....Darkside is more of a realist.
Should you not be concentrating your inept thoughts on the next (or is that the first?) Parliament meeting of minds (The Lord Help Us)
paddingtonwolf
05-06-2006, 08:51
Does anyone else think TheDarkside's posts have more than the slightest whiff of Peckhamwolf about them?
No $$$$ Columbo - maybe it's time for an avatar change?
Exile Wolf
05-06-2006, 10:31
The main problem with the Pontins league, is that many of the fixtures fall the same week as a 1st team game. So with our reduced squad it was felt that it would be better to plan our own games. Agree they will be less competitive but both teams can set their own numbers of subs, up to 6, even deal with Yellow and Reds in house.
Wolves already play plenty of these games currently and a few behind closed doors
UNCLE REMUS
05-06-2006, 13:30
Moxey
Hoddle
Gray
O'connor
Cain
Blokes that stand in the middle of the pitch on Saturdays (Not the players)
Save a fortune
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