View Full Version : Betrayed by Lescott????
EasternWolf
03-06-2006, 12:51
Given the fact that most people on here appreciate players who are loyal and want to "wear the shirt" and criticise those who dont does anyone feel a little betrayed by Lescott?
He has enjoyed a special place in everyone's heart for so long, but he is no Bully is he??
I would like to hear your reasons for not feeling betrayed by him.
I will not accept excuses like "it was necessary for the club to sell him", because it wasn't.
Jo could have sat out the remainder of his contract Kenny Miller style - instead he signed an extension which guaranteed the club a transfer fee for him. He was fair to the club, who in return have been fair to him. No question of betrayal in my mind.
cooper_J
03-06-2006, 12:54
You want your head looking at.
Surely you can't think he's betrayed us.
Bully was a one-off, if he hadn't have stayed with us he would, in my opinion, have won limitless silverware.
Jo has been with us for 5 years. 5 years of fansastic performances. He has given enough to this club and it would be wrong to stand in his way.
EasternWolf
03-06-2006, 12:57
Thats the point ... nobody had to stand in Billy Wright's way to stop him leaving.
Lescott would not have left if we were promoted ..so whats the real difference between him and ...lets say Henri Camara
Billy was playing at the top level for us.
Thats the point ... nobody had to stand in Billy Wright's way to stop him leaving.
Lescott would not have left if we were promoted ..so whats the real difference between him and ...lets say Henri Camara
Jo didn't go on strike to get his move.
As Mutchy says, he signed a deal with us when it wasn't in his best interests. If we could offer him the potential that he needs to fullfill his career, then I would have liked to have seen him stay, but he's been screwed over by the mismanagement of the club as much as any of us, so good luck to him. The difference between JL and the rat, is that Lescott didn't act like a 6 year old child and throw his toys out of his pram. There wouldn't have been half the negative reaction to Camara if he had maintained the same sort of dignity and respect towards the club that Lescott has.
Oldgold Wolfcub
03-06-2006, 13:12
I thinik a lot of us would stop supporting Wolves if we had a choice because of the direction or lack of it. However as a fan you cannot easily. Lescott knows this club is going nowhere under the present regime and therefore would be just throwing away a potentially good career. Many of you guys were brought up in Wolverhampton but have left the area so does that make you traitors. Yes Florida, I am talking to you :D;)
I personally feel that Lescott has not developed here as well as he could have and some of that may have been down to the lack of ambition shown around him. He may even have been part of that. Hopefully for him now the challenge of the premiership will take him to a higher playing level himself.
If there is any disloyalty it is from the board in not matching our top players ambitions and therefore leaving a once great club to fester. Their worst legacy in previous times was to never allowing Bully to realise his ambitions by bringing in managers and players alongside of him that would have taken us up.
Even now we are unlikely to go anywhere under the managership of Hoddle. The fans know it but the board dont want to know it.
So how can we blame Joleon?
SOA Wolf
03-06-2006, 13:31
I thinik a lot of us would stop supporting Wolves if we had a choice because of the direction or lack of it. However as a fan you cannot easily. Lescott knows this club is going nowhere under the present regime and therefore would be just throwing away a potentially good career. Many of you guys were brought up in Wolverhampton but have left the area so does that make you traitors. Yes Florida, I am talking to you :D;)
I personally feel that Lescott has not developed here as well as he could have and some of that may have been down to the lack of ambition shown around him. He may even have been part of that. Hopefully for him now the challenge of the premiership will take him to a higher playing level himself.
If there is any disloyalty it is from the board in not matching our top players ambitions and therefore leaving a once great club to fester. Their worst legacy in previous times was to never allowing Bully to realise his ambitions by bringing in managers and players alongside of him that would have taken us up.
Even now we are unlikely to go anywhere under the managership of Hoddle. The fans know it but the board dont want to know it.
So how can we blame Joleon?
Good post...spot on.
HIGHLANDER
03-06-2006, 13:47
This club is going nowhere fast so I dont blame Joleon one bit for wanting to move on and further his carreer.He's been looking looking a bit stale recently and I 'm sure a change of scenery will be good for him.
Good luck to him.
dark skies
03-06-2006, 13:56
Lescott would not have left if we were promoted ..so whats the real difference between him and ...lets say Henri Camara
Do you honestly not know the answer to that?
Florida Wolfey
03-06-2006, 14:09
I thinik a lot of us would stop supporting Wolves if we had a choice because of the direction or lack of it. However as a fan you cannot easily. Lescott knows this club is going nowhere under the present regime and therefore would be just throwing away a potentially good career. Many of you guys were brought up in Wolverhampton but have left the area so does that make you traitors. Yes Florida, I am talking to you :D;)
I personally feel that Lescott has not developed here as well as he could have and some of that may have been down to the lack of ambition shown around him. He may even have been part of that. Hopefully for him now the challenge of the premiership will take him to a higher playing level himself.
If there is any disloyalty it is from the board in not matching our top players ambitions and therefore leaving a once great club to fester. Their worst legacy in previous times was to never allowing Bully to realise his ambitions by bringing in managers and players alongside of him that would have taken us up.
Even now we are unlikely to go anywhere under the managership of Hoddle. The fans know it but the board dont want to know it.
So how can we blame Joleon?
Well seeing as you're talking to me...;)
Quite a laughable thread really. Some joker even draws a parallel with the rat...LOL......
Jolean needs to leave for his own sake. I wish the guy all the best and thank him for what he did for us over the years. As for Wolves.....it's all been said before.
As much as it has been common knowledge that Lescott would leave this summer, has he actually asked for a transfer???
gaz kford
03-06-2006, 16:34
As much as it has been common knowledge that Lescott would leave this summer, has he actually asked for a transfer???
I don't think so.
But i hope he does not p**s the gangsters off in liverpool because they don't just break knee's ;)
Hardcore Wolves
03-06-2006, 16:37
As much as it has been common knowledge that Lescott would leave this summer, has he actually asked for a transfer???
No he did not but he obviously want to move to further his career and went the right way about doing not slapping in a transfer request and threatening to go on strike. He was head and shoulders above any defender in this league and has deserved his move to a premiership club. I would like to wish him luck at Everton and thanks for the memories Jo you are pure class.
UNCLE REMUS
03-06-2006, 16:47
Billy was playing at the top level for us.
He was also 35 years old
saturday boy
03-06-2006, 16:52
The reasons behind Lescot and Camara leaving the club are exactly the same. Both want to play at a higher level. Wolves (laughingly) thought they could hold onto the future African Player of the Year, probably rigged the supporters player of the year vote too.
Both players have been paid huge sums of money in the course of their employment with Wolves. Both players wanted a better job.
The hypocrisy of condeming one and not the other is a typical football fan reaction - one where the assumption is that players should be as loyal to a club as its fans. Fantasy football at its best.
I never had a problem with Camara leaving, I think the club handled the whole situation appallingly and while Camara could have kept his mouth shut I can fully understand why he didn't fancy a spell in he graveyard league. His decision having been vindicated by his performances and the performance of his new club this season.
Very few footballers stay at one club their whole career - even less so now. Lescott is going, he'll soon be history. The fact that people still get worked up about Camara is ever so slightly sad.
I wondered where Ulven had gone ;)
UNCLE REMUS
03-06-2006, 16:55
Jolean Lescott had gone as far as he could with the Wolves, pre injury he was good, since the injury, the boys done ok but has never reached the heights that he promised.
Personaly and as I say regularly the games all about opinions, I have always thought that the problem with his game is that first burst of speed, he gets found wanting at times. He also tends to nod off occasionally and makes fundemental mistakes. But I am sure some of you think the sun shines out of his backside.
I hope that he gets some good coaching at Everton, they improve his reading of the game and his positional play, then like Robbie Keane at Tottingham, we will see the guy blossom.
Regarding being a traitor to the club, I think over the last two seasons the fans have been let down time after time by the mananagement and the players.The only real constant with the club are the fans.
Florida Wolfey
03-06-2006, 16:56
The reasons behind Lescot and Camara leaving the club are exactly the same. Both want to play at a higher level. Wolves (laughingly) thought they could hold onto the future African Player of the Year, probably rigged the supporters player of the year vote too.
Both players have been paid huge sums of money in the course of their employment with Wolves. Both players wanted a better job.
The hypocrisy of condeming one and not the other is a typical football fan reaction - one where the assumption is that players should be as loyal to a club as its fans. Fantasy football at its best.
I never had a problem with Camara leaving, I think the club handled the whole situation appallingly and while Camara could have kept his mouth shut I can fully understand why he didn't fancy a spell in he graveyard league. His decision having been vindicated by his performances and the performance of his new club this season.
Very few footballers stay at one club their whole career - even less so now. Lescott is going, he'll soon be history. The fact that people still get worked up about Camara is ever so slightly sad.
Nice wind up but most of us see the situation for what it is. Camara and his agent are $$$$ers.....Jo goes with our blessing.
Oldgold Wolfcub
03-06-2006, 17:07
I wondered where Ulven had gone ;)
I ate him for tea.:D
Beastier
03-06-2006, 21:51
IMO with Lescott it's the same as Robbie Keane. I think they both stayed with us longer than could reasonable be expected for such top drawer players & to accuse either of being disloyal is laughable.
WolfDancer
03-06-2006, 22:21
Where was he when we needed him in the Premiership?
The circumstances of his enforced absence have never been released by the club. Was he in any way at fault.
The club stood by him whilst he recuperated.
Were Matt Murrays's injuries in any way caused by the same incident.
Thread Killer
03-06-2006, 23:41
Betrayal? What a $$$$ing joke.
Professional
04-06-2006, 00:02
Betrayal? What a $$$$ing joke.
Leave us alone to find someone to blame, TTK.
Bumbamuffin
04-06-2006, 00:03
Given the fact that most people on here appreciate players who are loyal and want to "wear the shirt" and criticise those who dont does anyone feel a little betrayed by Lescott?
He has enjoyed a special place in everyone's heart for so long, but he is no Bully is he??
I would like to hear your reasons for not feeling betrayed by him.
I will not accept excuses like "it was necessary for the club to sell him", because it wasn't.
How the hell has this $$$$$ provoked so many responses?
A truly awful thread.
He has enjoyed a special place in everyone's heart for so long, but he is no Bully is he??
I have fonder memories of Ally Robertson, Gary Bellamy and Floyd Streete. Just cant understand the Lescott Love In.
£5M is a coup.
Beastier
04-06-2006, 02:10
I think as much as anything it's the realisation that our best player is too good to stay with us & will move onto bigger & better things -when it should be the other way round
brummywolf
04-06-2006, 03:20
As much as people remember the good old days, Lescott has been an excellent servant for us. I joined us in 1994 and I havent really seen a defender as good as Lescott. I feel we have stagntaed him- Everton will thrive, they have a great team and he has made the right decision.
Betrayal? No way.... its both best for Lescott to go up to the level which he should be, and also good for Wolves to get the 5m entitlements, which we should use to fund some good players, but we wont.
Stingray
04-06-2006, 09:18
I am surprised that he stayed as long as he did. He could have been a bigger star long ago. He has kicked that ball, week-in week-out, knowing that he could be pulling down bigger paychecks and maybe getting on the "England team" radar. IMO, he made personal sacrafices because he wanted to do it with Wolves. Well, like all of us, he knows that now won't happen. Sure, when it comes to loyalty, he's no Bully. I never expect Bully-loyalty from any player. It was an anomaly; a freak. However, if I was asked to Judge Lescott's loyalty, I would say that he has shown us plenty. Well more than most. Had he put money and personal ambition before the Wolves, he would have been gone years ago.
I wish him all the best, but I am very sad that he needs to leave; very sad that Wolves have decided to settle in the second league. He put his ambition on hold for Wolves until it became obvious that they didn't have much of it themselves.
MK Panther
04-06-2006, 09:23
What betrayal just get better players in his place. I have been watching Wolves since the sixties, betrayal no; just retirements, injuries, better offers and personal ambition.
Bully though an icon perhaps caused us not to get promoted sooner IMO, everything flowed through Bully and he was heavily marked and when he was out the team was lost. I believe if he had shown more personal ambition we could have had a good price and purchased two or three new attackers and got out of the Division earlier.
Lescott is going get over it, we will get replacements.
yes be batrayed us boo him next time he's down, gimmie a break we are not where we were with loads of money any more people will have to realise that, also how can we stand in the way of him we can't, he needs pre football we need the money in an ideal world wolves would be in the prem and have jo, This aint it though.
Oldgold Wolfcub
04-06-2006, 09:58
The sad thing is when you say to yourself who is better off for this move? Wolves who will get maybe £5mill and then waste it away or Everton who are in the Premier and can afford the money?
EasternWolf
04-06-2006, 10:47
Well thats cleared that up!!
I thought it was necessary to at least ask the question.
I agree with Oldgold Wolfcub's first post.
WakefieldWolf
04-06-2006, 11:06
If Bully's honest he'd probably admit he should have left Wolves in search of Premierleague football. Lescott has got to go, why should he stick around here when he can move up a level and possibly in future seasons make it into the England squad if he turns out to be as good as we all think he can be.
He owes us nothing, we paid nothing for him, and he's played plenty of games (234) over the last six years to have repayed any money invested in developing him through the youth scheme.
Good luck to him as far as i'm concerned, i just hope that Wolves don't waste the money from his sale on 4th division outer mongolian players watched on video once from about 4 years ago.
Oldgold Wolfcub
04-06-2006, 11:22
I agree with Oldgold Wolfcub's first post. So what was wrong with the others.:D:D
I also guess that you worded the thread as you did to tease out the responses you wanted. I think just slightly Lescott's move is accepted a little more than Camara's. Personally the one that got me the most was Dean Richards who I thought was very disloyal after Wolves supported him following his accident.
holloholloway
04-06-2006, 16:08
Lescott has shown immense loyalty, immense. You lot are backslapping miller and cheering him, miller didn't sign an extension to his contract so we could command a fee for him whilst lescott did. Lescott could have left on a bosman but he wants wolves to get the maximum money they can for him. Hand on heart i even believe lescott would waiver any monies wolves may owe him out of his transfer to everton. We are talking about a salt of the earth guy, a guy who was reared in our youth academy. A guy who has helped plug the money deficit for next season. Joleon we love you kid, you bailed us out of debt. This is tremendous news, five million for a guy worth two million. I am exstatic about his transfer. A decent player but not worth five million.
Kenny-11
04-06-2006, 16:11
I am exstatic about his transfer..
A good nights sleep awaits you then
Uncle Festa
04-06-2006, 16:32
Lescott is the most loyal player we had. Who else would have signed an extension to their contract knowing that they could run it down and command a better salary when he moved due to the Bosman? Lescott should be applauded for the putting the club first before his own salary. Moxey will probably come out smelling of roses on this deal, but if Lescott had done a Miller then Moxey would be down the road cluthing his P45
Essex Wolf
04-06-2006, 16:36
Seeing as Lescott is still a Wolves player right now going by the numerous reports of there being a delay??? then he can't be accused of anything just yet.
However if/when he leaves then good luck to the lad. He has stuck with us longer than I expected anyway.
gaz kford
04-06-2006, 17:17
being on the radio that he failed the medical
Wivey Wolf
04-06-2006, 17:33
being on the radio that he failed the medical
Been all over the web that he passed
Rocky_Balllboa
04-06-2006, 17:34
Anyone who thinks Lesott has betayed us is a tit.
gaz kford
04-06-2006, 17:35
Been all over the web that he passed
Today about 2 o'clock
Wivey Wolf
04-06-2006, 17:44
Today about 2 o'clock
Not doubting you for one second.
gaz kford
04-06-2006, 17:55
Not doubting you for one second.
Local radio you don't get it in banjo country :p
OldWolvesfart
04-06-2006, 18:08
Today about 2 o'clock
When even the sunday papers are saying Lescott has passed his medical along with the BBC and the Wolves site the chances are that Lescott has in fact passed his medical.
Kenny-11
04-06-2006, 18:10
When even the sunday papers are saying Lescott has passed his medical along with the BBC and the Wolves site the chances are that Lescott has in fact passed his medical.
One paper saying deal has hit a snag because Everton want to change the structure of how they pay for Lescott.
gaz kford
04-06-2006, 18:12
When even the sunday papers are saying Lescott has passed his medical along with the BBC and the Wolves site the chances are that Lescott has in fact passed his medical.
we will see if i am wrong i apologise if i'm right i'll tell you where to kiss ;) :p
goldeneyed
04-06-2006, 18:31
Today's Sunday People:- ...Everton and Wolves trying to save Lescott's move...after a row about his medical....transfer is on the brink of colllapse because he has an old knee injury which worries Moyes...Kenwright bidding to re-shape the offer yesterday but Wolves insistence that Lescott is fit has put the clubs at loggerheads..... Everton will not pay full £5m fee...Kenwright will compromise by coming up with a pay as you play deal....Villa and Reading both wanted Lescott but Everton outbid them.....
Sounds like Everton trying it on - Lescott didn't miss a game last season and passed his fitness test apparently.
Paper also confirms Wolves after Northampton's Luke Chambers as Lescott's replacement - would cost £750,000 rising to £1m after agreed number of first team appearnces....
Elsewhere mentions our possible interest in Calum Davenport of Spurs but other clubs including Prem clubs sucgh as Watford bidding for him - they are favourites supposedly. Fee around £1.5m so presumably out of our league these days.
Oxford_Wolf
04-06-2006, 18:36
Jo is too good for us. We would be holding him back if we didn't let him go. I lookforward to seeing him at least in the England B game prior to the 2010 world cup. If it wasn't for his injury he would be thewre now and... Note he probably wouldn't be waering old gold and black either.
holloholloway
04-06-2006, 18:37
One paper saying deal has hit a snag because Everton want to change the structure of how they pay for Lescott.
like moxey says "the devil is in the detail". As long as we get 4 million up front i don't care about the rest of the staged payments. We want the money to buy mcleod and luke chambers.
dazmanwolf
04-06-2006, 20:34
He is not betraying us!
He is going to fulfill his potential at a higher level than Wolves can give him.
How many chances can he take that Wolves may end up in the top flight? He has been told that Wolves are cost-cutting and using less experienced players next season.
He has gone and we have made a nice bit of cash from him.
If we do actually get into the Premiership, I wouldn't be surprised if he had a clause in his contract regarding our club. Keano is rumoured to have one, but we could never afford him now.
Lescott gave us lots of commitment, but if you quote Bully, his only regret was not playing at the highest domestic level.
His legacy will fund our rebuilding of the squad, so there is no regrets or bitterness from me.
Good luck to you Joleon, hope you do well and come back to haunt us one day in the Premiership.
TheDarkside
04-06-2006, 23:26
You dont need to justify it. He's just another player furthering his career. Get over it. The important thing is for us to replace him with someone with similar potential. Sam Ricketts looks good. We could bring him in and live with Clyde and Craddock for a season.
TheDarkside
04-06-2006, 23:27
We want the money to buy mcleod and luke chambers.
You are having a laugh? We want the money to pay the Hoddle Brothers wages.
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