This site is supported by the advertisements on it, please disable your AdBlocker so we can continue to provide you with the quality content you expect.
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Glass Half Full or Half Empty?

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix' started by WarwickWolves, Jan 10, 2017.

  1. WarwickWolves

    WarwickWolves Groupie

    Messages:
    136
    Likes Received:
    91
    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2016
    Many posters are optimistic about Paul Lambert's tenure - their glass is half full. Others remain sceptical (despite which, we are all hopeful, of course), and their glass is perhaps half empty. Opinions are certainly less polarised than under KJ, or latterly under Walter. Many commentators shift from one camp to the other, almost weekly, opinion shifting with the changing winds of win or lose as the matches go by, optimism when results are good being tempered by reality when they are bad. This is only to be human.

    In a post on another thread a week or so ago, I commented that in fact, the glass was neither half full, nor half empty, but really just 50/50. Quite literally, with 3 league wins, 3 draws and 3 defeats since PL took-over (though in points, of course, this is somewhat less than a 50% points haul on his 9 matches in charge). PL has stopped the slide, but our inconsistent league form still leaves the net direction unclear.

    The great result against Stoke has raised morale amazingly, perhaps because it just might give us a glimpse of what could be in the Premier League. I am as delighted as any at the prospect of a cup run, if it can be maintained, and even more so at what the cup result might just tell us about the improving attitude, fitness and mutual understanding/cohesion of the squad. Let us hope it is translated to the league. But in the harsh light of day, it is one result, notable, but not a revolution on its own.

    PL has definitely steadied the ship, and Saturday's cup result gives us all pride and renewed hope. Turning around a big ship always starts gradually though. In the light of all this, and in the interests of not getting carried away, I am raising the level in the glass, by a totally subjective and non-scientific estimate, to 53% (full!). I remain hugely hopeful, but realistically sceptical for the future.
     
    WolfLing likes this.
  2. WolfLing

    WolfLing Has a lot to say

    Messages:
    1,508
    Likes Received:
    936
    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2016
    He has steadied the ship, but there are still too many aboard and others that aren't pulling their weight.

    By this summer, I expect the ship to be functioning much more efficiently and the glass to be approximately 71.2% full.
     
  3. FLEET WOLF

    FLEET WOLF Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    17,295
    Likes Received:
    249
    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2008
    I think Saturday's game might tell us a bit more. A decent win and things will look a lot better, albeit too late this season, unless one or two clubs in and around the play-offs fall away.
     
  4. Essex Wolf

    Essex Wolf Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    40,591
    Likes Received:
    1,093
    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2005
    Still much to do but there are clear signs of improvement and as long as it continues then even if this season is still a let down there is promise for next.
     
  5. Oldgold Wolfcub

    Oldgold Wolfcub Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    13,414
    Likes Received:
    277
    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2005
    Who do you think are not pulling their weight?
     
  6. Wenlock Wolf

    Wenlock Wolf Senior Member

    Messages:
    372
    Likes Received:
    92
    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    I do feel that now with Lambert we have someone who know's what's required to get out of this league, and is now (crucially) getting the naive owners Fosun to understand that it's evolution rather than revolution that's the answer.
    We can (I believe) all see the signs of recovery and also see where things haven't gone to plan. Lambert is no-one's puppet and would walk away if he didn't think he had the backing of the owners. In turn Fosun have sold the dream to Lambert and you can tell from the way he talks that he sees a very bright future for the club.
    Definitely the glass is not half empty. As far as half full, well can I have a bigger glass to get more in please ;)
     
    BrummieNick likes this.
  7. WolfLing

    WolfLing Has a lot to say

    Messages:
    1,508
    Likes Received:
    936
    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2016
    On balance, if the season ended today, there are still an awful lot of players in the squad who would not have contributed anywhere near the amount they should have in terms of goals, assists, clean-sheets etc. So there's quite a few who it could be said have not sufficiently pulled their weight so far and owe the team plenty more for the remainder of the season!
     
  8. WarwickWolves

    WarwickWolves Groupie

    Messages:
    136
    Likes Received:
    91
    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2016
    I agree - would really hope to get to 70+% by season's end
     
  9. Mr Wolf

    Mr Wolf Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    18,094
    Likes Received:
    1,297
    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2006
    As I've said I'm not going to judge anyone including Fosun & Thelwell until the 31st August.

    I believe Lambert is a capable Manager & I hope he gets the chance to show it over the next 2 seasons.

    Compared to last season it's at least not a chore to turn up & watch plus I really like the youngsters coming into the squad/team at a very young age. I don't buy all this you get better all of a sudden at 22, your either good enough or your not.*

    *Obviously some exceptions but glad we're not waiting 3/4 years for some of them to get a game or develop especially the midfielders & forwards. Defenders can take a bit longer to get established.
     
  10. northnorfolkwolf

    northnorfolkwolf Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    15,952
    Likes Received:
    441
    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2006
    As many on here know as far as Wolves are concerned I've been a glass half empty guy certainly since MMs time. Nothing much since has convinced me to change my mind.....................
    until Saturday. PL did stuff that day that I really can't remember a Wolves manager doing for years - utilising our kids, attacking in the last quarter of a match when in a winning situation and giving a chance to several fringe players who repaid his faith with good performances. The whole performance was totally refreshing and I believe will send an air of confidence flowing throughout the club. I'm at Swansea tonight to get a view of the future of our club which I now believe may be, at long last, moving in the right direction.
     
  11. Skrilla

    Skrilla Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    8,104
    Likes Received:
    933
    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2012
    I am incredibly confident, as I have been since Lambert came in. I think he's the perfect fit. I hope he's afforded the funds to bring in a good striker in this window as is desperately needed, but the signs are already so promising. I know the hype about the kids is great, but if even two of them are in and around the first team squad on a regular basis next season he'll have done well given the age of the majority of them. But the key point is, he's showing all of them that if they continue to impress, they will get chances. Nothing could be more motivating to a young player than a taste of what could be.
     
  12. Professional

    Professional 'Unprofessional'

    Messages:
    8,317
    Likes Received:
    217
    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2005
    Since the weekend performance, and watching it over again- I am starting to lean towards having a glass half-full view of the situation. It doesn't take much for me to turn to a glass half-empty view, though. That is the result of being given false dawns and hope for the last thirty odd years or so. You want to be positive- then Wolves give you a damned good kicking until you virtually want to give up watching them. It's like a drug, though- and you just can't stop because of the everlasting hope that things will turn out great for once- but they never seem to do so, but you never know...
     
  13. ShropshireLad

    ShropshireLad Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    4,188
    Likes Received:
    1,260
    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2016
    I'm definitely a glass half-full geezer.
     
  14. FLEET WOLF

    FLEET WOLF Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    17,295
    Likes Received:
    249
    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2008
    I think Saturday is important, because we often don't do well in televised games, or indeed against local rivals. Our confidence should be high and perhaps better than theirs, plus we should have beaten them away. I am pleased this is a late game, rather than an early kick off. A good win and my glass will be 75% full!
     
  15. TrueWolf

    TrueWolf Has a lot to say

    Messages:
    1,004
    Likes Received:
    834
    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2016
    From the names touted when Walter was sacked Lambert was the one I was most comfortable with.

    I choose my words carefully... Honestly if someone like Bruce had also been in the mix then I would have been firmly in that camp at that time.

    I had a kind of 'ok well he is the best of a bad bunch' kind of attitude when he was selected so I wasn't overjoyed but at the sametime I didn't feel it was a terrible appointment.

    Since he has come in a few things he has said have narked me on the odd occasion. I wasn't too keen on the previous manager bashing in interviews, one dig ok fair enough, but he seemed to bang on about it a few too many times.

    He also came across as arrogant a few times with the night and day comments and his 'German Philosophy' all seemed a bit 'look at me'.

    But other than that, and with hindsight, I am definitely feeling that there is a change in the air around the team so I am glass is half full person (at the moment).

    To sum up how I feel now, I think that whilst there is a long way to go, I am starting to feel that perhaps Paul Lambert was the right man at the right time for both him and us as a club.

    Time will tell of course, but if we take 3 points against Villa and start to put our home form right then we may well have turned a corner indeed.

    I never expected miracles this season, but I hope we have now found a good fit for manager and someone who can get the best out of what we have.
     
    WonderWolf and TheAdmiral like this.
  16. oldgoldheart

    oldgoldheart Has a lot to say

    Messages:
    1,348
    Likes Received:
    365
    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2016
    100pc agree
     
  17. goldeneyed

    goldeneyed Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    12,473
    Likes Received:
    927
    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2005
    We are 16th in the second division. I reckon we will finally land up about 12th with some improvement under Lambert but nothing spectacular. Not half full, not half empty, just boring! My main concern : losing Costa in the summer and three or four strikers who cannot score plus the January window being yet another Wolves dead end with nothing serious happening on recruitment. Lots of expectation on the youth front but with little or no serious investment in the first team likely even next summer I guess I'm heading into more glass half empty than glass half full territory at the moment despite recent glimmers of form. Seen it go wrong so many times at Wolves over 50 years even when there were great opportunities for the club to leap forward.
     
  18. northnorfolkwolf

    northnorfolkwolf Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    15,952
    Likes Received:
    441
    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2006
    Goldeneyed, you sound very much like my kind of guy! Us older ones are pretty fed up of being kicked in the teeth by Wolves year after year; but we come back for more! Early days but PL's philosophy at Stoke was so refreshing I am going to give him my support and pray he continues in this mould and that we can have a successful 2nd half of the season.
     
    Stratman Wolves and TrueWolf like this.
  19. Wall heath Wanderer

    Wall heath Wanderer Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    2,177
    Likes Received:
    551
    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2013
    My glass used to be half empty, but then someone ****ed in it.
     
    welwynwolf likes this.
  20. TornadoTed

    TornadoTed Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    60
    Likes Received:
    35
    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2017
    I'm in my early 40's and like most have had 30 years of torment and disappointment from Wolves but I am still definitely a glass half full man and currently pretty optimistic about our future.
     
  21. TrueWolf

    TrueWolf Has a lot to say

    Messages:
    1,004
    Likes Received:
    834
    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2016
    I really hope PL does turn it around, if for nothing else other than your posts being so much more cheerful, you are like a new man since Saturday! ;):D:p
     
  22. ombyman

    ombyman Groupie

    Messages:
    106
    Likes Received:
    21
    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2016
    Glass half empty when it comes to Fosun
     
  23. Alex Rae The Substitute

    Alex Rae The Substitute Has a lot to say

    Messages:
    1,934
    Likes Received:
    177
    Joined:
    May 14, 2012
    Half full.

    Prior to last weekend I'd been very impressed with PL anyway, both in the noticeably more cohesive team performances to that we were seeing under Zenga, through to the way he talks so much sense after games. I find his honesty refreshing. Obviously the result at Stoke has increased positivity.

    Long way to go in terms of the task he has on his hands, but the positives I've seen from him far outweigh the negatives.
     
  24. Rhoswolf

    Rhoswolf Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    10,627
    Likes Received:
    2,132
    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2005
    Have major reservations about Fosun and having experienced what me and many more fans have for the last 30+ years hard to be anything other than a glass half empty type. Summed-up by Saturday, which was fantastic, but the exception rather than the rule.
     
  25. astraltrader

    astraltrader Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    8,584
    Likes Received:
    1,627
    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2005
    I believe there is much evidence to show Lambert is making progress with the team.
    My concern is our squad is too large and will need to be reduced if we are to eventually sign more players.
    We urgently need to sign a decent striker, otherwise as long as Williamson is fit enough to play for the rest of the season I believe we have no real need to sign others until the summer.
    I believe Lambert will have succeeded this season if we finish our last half a dozen games with promotion capable form, setting us up well for next.
     
    ShropshireLad likes this.
  26. ShropshireLad

    ShropshireLad Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    4,188
    Likes Received:
    1,260
    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2016
    I won't continue to repeat myself but I'm in full agreement.
     
    astraltrader likes this.
  27. Wiltshire Wolfie

    Wiltshire Wolfie Senior Member

    Messages:
    843
    Likes Received:
    5
    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2010
    The glass is refillable...............:)
     
  28. Surrey Wolf

    Surrey Wolf Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    7,582
    Likes Received:
    139
    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2010
    half full, still feel positive about the future
     
  29. WonderWolf

    WonderWolf WoWoWoobsykins

    Messages:
    13,332
    Likes Received:
    262
    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2008
    Why would it not be half full??.....as it is mine doesn't seem to be going down! Must have a magic glass. :)

    What do people realistically expect to have happened to date since he came in? Pretty poor we were before Fosun, and messed up we became after their well meant attempt to change it up.

    We are lucky that Lambert was available, we will make big strides with him as long as he is backed appropriately.

    Great times ahead it can be for us.
     
  30. Vietnam Wolf

    Vietnam Wolf Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    7,910
    Likes Received:
    92
    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2010
    I think Thelwell has done a fantastic job with the development squad and clearly excels in this area.

    But it's his position as the effective Director of Football that bothers me. Until Fosun wakes up and realises his woeful lack of experience and demonstrated lack of ability at this expanded role my glass will be forever on the "empty" side. Nevertheless I'm very happy with Lambert's appointment and the start he's made. I think he could be huge for us assuming something is done about Thelwell.
     
  31. northnorfolkwolf

    northnorfolkwolf Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    15,952
    Likes Received:
    441
    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2006
    I have been the misery guts on this forum pretty much since I joined but tbh most of my dire predictions/concerns did come to pass. We've been **** for so long now I can't remember when we had a decent side (Lg 1 doesn't really count) but I'm excited about the kids and with a manager who is prepared to give them a go and who is also prepared to attack for the full 90 minutes.
    Refreshing or what?
     
    TrueWolf likes this.
  32. TrueWolf

    TrueWolf Has a lot to say

    Messages:
    1,004
    Likes Received:
    834
    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2016
    Yes it is nice to see, long may the PL revolution continue! And I was just teasing :) but it is genuinely nice that PL / Wolves have spread a little hope into MolMix :)
     
  33. Adrian_Monk

    Adrian_Monk Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    10,292
    Likes Received:
    414
    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2006
    He's done nothing yet IMO. Didn't like the passing judgement on stuff he wasn't part of, don't think he has come across as a particularly good man-manager although I'm not in the dressing room so I'm only basing that on how he appears in interviews.

    Certainly not going to get carried away with a victory against a Stoke side that completely underestimated us and sat in first gear for the first hour. He's also looked a bit stupid with his contradictory comments on transfers and his excuse for leaving Saïss out if it actually came from him is bizarre to say the least. He still hasn't found a settled starting line up abs the results are inconsistent, he's only really been saved by Cavaleiro starting to settle in now.

    He's got a lot to do to win me over yet, sorry to be a party pooper.
     
  34. KingOfMilwaukee

    KingOfMilwaukee Senior Member

    Messages:
    869
    Likes Received:
    429
    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2016
    I am neither full nor empty. I believe managers can make team worse but can't make them better than the players are. We still have a very mundane squad and Pep could not get this group top 6.

    Players matter to me more than managers.
     
  35. Dan G WWFC

    Dan G WWFC Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    8,125
    Likes Received:
    577
    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2013
    He'll succeed, I wanted him. What else does he need?

    One of the best British managers around and best fit for the club.

    Not scared to play the kids, not scared to play attacking football, not scared to sign players from lower leagues.

    If Lambert sets his Heart on a striker give it to him. After what Holt did at Norwich and Benteke at Villa, Graham at Blackburn... I think you'd trust him.
     
    KingOfMilwaukee likes this.
  36. Mugwump

    Mugwump Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    4,643
    Likes Received:
    1,112
    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    I'm neither tbh. I feel everything is just mediocre, does that make me neither a half empty or half full man? I feel we have a very, very mediocre team, a mediocre manager and a very mediocre sporting director.
     
  37. Monkey Man

    Monkey Man Just doesn't shut up

    Messages:
    3,986
    Likes Received:
    204
    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2007
    This for me.

    If I'm honest I'm embarrassed at the way people have acted over the Stoke result, we should be at the same level as them not reported like a giant cup shock. How our expectations have fallen. We are still woeful in the league and seriously need results, not better performances which is all I keep hearing.

    Add in that our owners have clearly decided to the 'Morgan' route to promotion with the kids and I don't see it all happy days.
     
    Adrian_Monk likes this.
  38. Supadavewolf

    Supadavewolf Has a lot to say

    Messages:
    1,647
    Likes Received:
    1,087
    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2016
    The glass is half full for me.

    I've recently checked the state of the glass itself before refilling it and, unlike Donald Trump (allegedly), it is spotless and hasn't been involved in anything compromising. :D
     
  39. wolfkapiti

    wolfkapiti Groupie

    Messages:
    306
    Likes Received:
    53
    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2016
    Glass half full from P.L.appointment here,now is at the 60% mark.
     
  40. Guzeppi

    Guzeppi Has a lot to say

    Messages:
    1,814
    Likes Received:
    1,056
    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2015
    I just have half a glass. Hope it gets topped up by the end of the season, rather then having it drained.

    In other words... no relegation, move up the table.
     

Share This Page