Forum with Edwards Shi and Jackson

so double dip relegations and or mid level chump the next decade is your preference. but as long as they work hard we're all good regardless of quality
So you want quality players who don't work hard?
 
C'mon, be real, managers and scouts don't have pieces of paper like that just floating around.

What do you think is more plausible for a Premier League football club:

A) Detailed lists stored on a database with linked reports and clips so the recruitment and manager can have discussions.

B) A piece of A4 with a list of names leaked to the press.

Granted there may not be agreement between recruitment team and manager but do you really think a scribbled on piece of paper would be the list Vitor used?
Okay.. then probability would suggest that they took the piece of paper which was posted on Twitter weeks before any signings were made.. and we went ahead and signed those players.

Which is worse? Our internal list getting made public.. or a public list being acted on internally? Because we signed far too many players on that list for it not to be connected.
 
Here is his one from Al Shabab the year before - also from the laughable parody site - https://x.com/asmarcatr - read his pinned tweet if you want an idea of what this account is about.

GtbViEvXYAAUSsO

And his 'Wolves' one below

GtZ5BisXEAAIods


I mean there is 45 players listed there, and we signed 2? I'm sure MM could come up with a list of 45 players tomorrow and 2 would sign for us in the Summer! I guess some fell for it so badly they want it to be true and were convinced this parody twitter account had access to the transfer targets of VP (even called My Scout List:D!!
 
Another transfer list from that Twitter account, this time from Fenerbache technical director Ismail Kartel (from 2024). The list not only contains 'incredible discoveries' but Kartel also seems to share the same handwriting, and the exact same notebook as VP!

 
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Another transfer list from that Twitter account, this time from Fenerbache coach Ismail Kartel (from 2024). The list not only contains 'incredible discoveries' but Kartel also seems to share not only the same handwriting, but the same notebook as VP!


Good sleuthing. This definitely dispels any lingering notion this was genuine. Especially given the Vitor list has Arokodare on it, whom VP expressly made clear to Jackson he didn't want, and Wolfe as his first choice LWB, when by most accounts it seems Vitor didn't get a single first choice target besides Arias, who isn't even on that list.
 
Working hard shouldnt be considered a trait at professional level, its a given otherwise they don't reach that level.
I think there's working hard and working hard.
I've no doubt this shower has been working hard in training, so hard in fact that they treat being picked to go on the pitch as a reward.

Then they bask in the glory of getting on the pitch, and it looks to us as though they're not working hard at all..
 
I think most things have been said but I've finally listened back and...

While Rob Edwards is clearly passionate about Wolves, several of his comments were bordering on Gary O'Neil when it came to passing the blame.

Nathan actually came across as astute, a very different vibe from Jeff. Time will tell as to whether he will deliver, but I felt he showed a bit of personality and little quips like referring to Mendes as 'Uncle Jorge' shows that he has a level of awareness that we didn't get with Jeff - I wouldn't be surprised if Jeff has no idea what the Liquidator is. Jury is out, especially as he is sticking with an uninspiring and inexperienced technical director, but fingers crossed for some transparency going forward.
 
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Can you send over those links as I haven't seen them.

VP has stated he didn't get the players he wanted and obviously downed tools.

So if VP and Teti didn't get the players they wanted and Teflon Jackson had nothing to do with recruiting along with the shocking data led nonsense scouting system, who did?

Jeff, on his own? Really?
Its been well discussed on here they were ignoring the data and even warned not to sign Arias. I think JP and Tom Collomossy have mentioned it in some of their pieces, I will try and dig them out. I know it's hear say but I've also heard similar from different sources. I'm no detective but MJ was a disciple of Hobbs and has a dossier of players he and Hobbs identified on file over recent seasons. I'm willing to bet my house the likes of Jackson, Tolu, and Arias were not on their radar and were VP signings. Can you not read between the lines here? VP was given too much control bringing Teti in and having too much say on transfers!

Yes we didn't get all his first choices and maybe if we did and our wage ceiling was higher we would be having a different conversation now.

So by your logic the entire summer is on MJ then and nothing to do with VP, Teti and Jeff? I'd bet MJ has the least accountability out the 4!

I wish the club would publicly state who was responsible for this summer's recruitment or if someone could ask it at the fans forum and really clear this debate up.
 
Its been well discussed on here they were ignoring the data and even warned not to sign Arias. I think JP and Tom Collomossy have mentioned it in some of their pieces, I will try and dig them out. I know it's hear say but I've also heard similar from different sources. I'm no detective but MJ was a disciple of Hobbs and has a dossier of players he and Hobbs identified on file over recent seasons. I'm willing to bet my house the likes of Jackson, Tolu, and Arias were not on their radar and were VP signings. Can you not read between the lines here? VP was given too much control bringing Teti in and having too much say on transfers!

Yes we didn't get all his first choices and maybe if we did and our wage ceiling was higher we would be having a different conversation now.

So by your logic the entire summer is on MJ then and nothing to do with VP, Teti and Jeff? I'd bet MJ has the least accountability out the 4!

I wish the club would publicly state who was responsible for this summer's recruitment or if someone could ask it at the fans forum and really clear this debate up.
It’s also been well documented that the ONLY player Vitor got that he wanted was Arias. Not sure why we’d be warned not to sign him considering Tim Vickery said he was the best player in the Brazilian league.
 
It’s also been well documented that the ONLY player Vitor got that he wanted was Arias. Not sure why we’d be warned not to sign him considering Tim Vickery said he was the best player in the Brazilian league.
It's open to interpretation; We didn't get his first and second choices but were people like Jackson and Tolu his 3rd choices? Either way neither would of been MJ targets who favours the British market like Hobbs did. Bear in mind VP signed rubbish like Munetsi too! Whilst I think he's a decent head coach and would probably slot in well somewhere like Brentford or Bournemouth with a good recruitment infrastructure he should be nowhere near transfers or recruitment imo!

I rated Arias and think he'd of shone in a better team but once again been said a few times on here he was warned not to sign him internally.

So who are you pinning our summer recruitment on out of interest? Who's to blame in your opinion?
 
I think most things have been said but I've finally listened back and...

While Rob Edwards is clearly passionate about Wolves, several of his comments were bordering on Gary O'Neil when it came to passing the blame.

Nathan actually came across as astute, a very different vibe from Jeff. Time will tell as to whether he will deliver, but I felt he showed a bit of personality and little quips like referring to Mendes as 'Uncle Jorge' shows that he has a level of awareness that we didn't get with Jeff - I wouldn't be surprised if Jeff has no idea what the Liquidator is. Jury is out, especially as he is sticking with an uninspiring and inexperienced technical director, but fingers crossed for some transparency going forward.


People humming the luiquidator was pretty cringeworthy, and the bloke saying that’s all we want, which Shi called out.
 
It's open to interpretation; We didn't get his first and second choices but were people like Jackson and Tolu his 3rd choices? Either way neither would of been MJ targets who favours the British market like Hobbs did.

I rated Arias and think he'd of shone in a better team but once again been said a few times on here he was warned not to sign him internally.

So who are you pinning our summer recruitment on out of interest? Who's to blame in your opinion?
All involved including Jackson.
 
Good sleuthing. This definitely dispels any lingering notion this was genuine. Especially given the Vitor list has Arokodare on it, whom VP expressly made clear to Jackson he didn't want, and Wolfe as his first choice LWB, when by most accounts it seems Vitor didn't get a single first choice target besides Arias, who isn't even on that list.

Indeed good work. Quite incredible and speaks volumes as to why VP lost the plot. Still remember someone at the club saying “Arias is not a Cunha replacement”. We never went on to replace Cunha. Absolutely incredible.

Even dumbing it down, we lost the output of Cunha, Rayan, Semedo and to a degree Sarabia, 3 of which have gone to champions league teams (admittedly United only made top 4 this season). And instead replaced them with a number of bang average players, a player from Brazil and a young kid from Spain. Completely unbelievable and self inflicted.

Re the forum; I was impressed by Shi. I like his honesty in saying the liquidator would be an easy win. This tells me he recognises what it may do for the fans but more importantly, that the other 99.9% of his job and objectives are not easy wins and will require serious work.

Edwards I have a little more sympathy for after the forum, albeit I’m still not convinced. He has come into an awful situation. His record is not going to be great having managed us and Luton and despite what influence managers have, there are factors outside of their control which will have an effect. I like him as a person and don’t think he’s as bad as some people make out, however I’m not just not convinced he has the knowledge, experience or personality to deliver what is needed next season. I also don’t like his lack of accountability for the fact we are bottom of the table. He does not accept that the players and himself are bottom of the table. But then also suggests he has maxed the players out meaning he can’t get anymore from them. That is clearly complete self-preservation absolving himself.

To sit there and say he will talk to the boys on the first day of pre season and believe what he is telling them, is a really strange thing to say.

I don’t like how he says the players at Luton didn’t believe him. If not, why not. You are there to instil that belief?

But then I acknowledge again that you can be a byproduct of your circumstances. Even lopetegui, who I rated highly, was not willing to work with the team he had, despite being a lot better than the team Rob has ti work with.

All in all, I think trusting him and MJ for the most critical period in our clubs history for a long long time, is incredibly naive and bordering on suicide. He may well do it, but he had no concrete evidence himself to suggest he could turn this around. And factually he has maybe 6 months at Luton and 2 months at Middlesbrough to suggest he MAY be able to do a reasonable job.

Therefore, I still hope he goes but wish him all the best and hope he goes on to have a decent career.
 
It’s also been well documented that the ONLY player Vitor got that he wanted was Arias. Not sure why we’d be warned not to sign him considering Tim Vickery said he was the best player in the Brazilian league.
I think Arias was simply a didnt settle. Always played in South America. Didn't have the personality to deal with a very different league and what I am sure is a very different life in Wolverhampton.

I'm sure he's a good player. But the wrong character for this move. Thats our fault
 
Its been well discussed on here they were ignoring the data and even warned not to sign Arias. I think JP and Tom Collomossy have mentioned it in some of their pieces, I will try and dig them out. I know it's hear say but I've also heard similar from different sources. I'm no detective but MJ was a disciple of Hobbs and has a dossier of players he and Hobbs identified on file over recent seasons. I'm willing to bet my house the likes of Jackson, Tolu, and Arias were not on their radar and were VP signings. Can you not read between the lines here? VP was given too much control bringing Teti in and having too much say on transfers!

Yes we didn't get all his first choices and maybe if we did and our wage ceiling was higher we would be having a different conversation now.

So by your logic the entire summer is on MJ then and nothing to do with VP, Teti and Jeff? I'd bet MJ has the least accountability out the 4!

I wish the club would publicly state who was responsible for this summer's recruitment or if someone could ask it at the fans forum and really clear this debate up.
I think we all know it WASNT VP. That’s why he downed tools.
 
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