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We should go and get Cornet.
Can we get ice Creamiho as well.
We should go and get Cornet.
I don't think so, I read up to 8 weeks somewhere, but given its ACL plus groin, it could be a lot longer before he plays again.Has there been any official confirmation of how long he's out for?
Who said he would need surgery anyway?
What's WUM about it? I know it ****es on your chips but for those two seasons Nuno basically had a first XI and sod all else. People are laughing that Everton have signed Vinagre, but he made 33 PL appearances for us in those two seasons. Costa was a starter in season one, an 18 year old Gibbs-White got 20+ appearances, Cavaleiro 20+, Bonatini got games, Ryan Bennett started 34 games. The second season we 'bolstered' the squad with Cutrone, Vallejo, Jordao and a 19 year old Neto while letting go of Costa, Cav and Bennett and having to cope with long absences for Boly and MGW - and then we had Covid on top of thatWUM.
Thought you’d be along!What's WUM about it? I know it ****es on your chips but for those two seasons Nuno basically had a first XI and sod all else. People are laughing that Everton have signed Vinagre, but he made 33 PL appearances for us in those two seasons. Costa was a starter in season one, an 18 year old Gibbs-White got 20+ appearances, Cavaleiro 20+, Bonatini got games, Ryan Bennett started 34 games. The second season we 'bolstered' the squad with Cutrone, Vallejo, Jordao and a 19 year old Neto while letting go of Costa, Cav and Bennett and having to cope with long absences for Boly and MGW - and then we had Covid on top of that
Lage had an embarrassment of riches in comparison
Then how do you explain the form prior to that which had us close to breaking into the top four? Same manager. Same season. Just a few key injuries less.Regardless of the Nuno/Bruno comparison, 10 losses out of 14 is bad bad news. The fact you're all desperate for us to get additions in backs my point that Bruno is not the manager to get a tune from this group. Plenty of other better qualified managers would.
Would we attract those better managers though?Regardless of the Nuno/Bruno comparison, 10 losses out of 14 is bad bad news. The fact you're all desperate for us to get additions in backs my point that Bruno is not the manager to get a tune from this group. Plenty of other better qualified managers would.
Since when does wanting new players mean we think the bloke managing them is gash??The fact you're all desperate for us to get additions in backs my point that Bruno is not the manager to get a tune from this group. Plenty of other better qualified managers would
This was a bench we named in the league last season btw. 2 keepers, and still not even the full 9 subs were filled out
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Did you really? I'll never be as predictable as you and I don't have a fixation with the manager of Al-Ittihad, but the occasional mentioning of his name when talking about the team and squad he was in charge of is occasionally relevant, apologies if it offends you...Thought you’d be along!
Ok mate, Pre injury Raul and Diogo Jota are **** compared to Hwang and 2022 Raul.
Mountinho is miles better at 36 than he was at 32.
We had no injuries for 2 years from 2017-19, we and Nuno were were very lucky in that respect. Take Raul and Jota away and we’d have been struggling.
Your fixation with the manager of Al-Ittihad is just weird.
Look at the season as a whole: terrible start, incredible middle, terrible end.Then how do you explain the form prior to that which had us close to breaking into the top four? Same manager. Same season. Just a few key injuries less.
It’s MCL not ACL isn’t it? Either way knee ligament damage is not good.I don't think so, I read up to 8 weeks somewhere, but given its ACL plus groin, it could be a lot longer before he plays again.
What's that? About 10 games? If ever there was a time to go cap in hand to Fosun and ask for a loan it is now.
Look at the season as a whole: terrible start, incredible middle, terrible end.
More importantly, we lost games to clubs with far weaker squads than ours. Leeds, Brighton, Burnley, Newcastle + a draw at home to Norwich. How can you blame the board for that??
Imo Fosun appointed Bruno because they wanted a manager with a track record of developing young talents into players that can be sold for £££.Who appointed the manager? They are responsible if they got the wrong guy. Who dumped the previous manager?
FWIW, I injured my medial ligament in a similar situation and age as Raul, and I was playing a month later. I think Neves last season was similar, he was back much sooner than people feared.MCL isn't necessarily too bad, esp if mild.
Imo Fosun appointed Bruno because they wanted a manager with a track record of developing young talents into players that can be sold for £££.
Unfortunately they have hit two problems:
1. We are competing with the Big Six + top European clubs for these young talents (Maquinhos, Enzo Fernandes)
2. Bruno - while a good academy/assistant coach - is not capable of making Wolves an attractive proposition that our targets want to play for.
So yes, they can take some accountability for where we're at, but I can't get on board with 90 per cent of fans on here acting like Bruno is some sort of damsel in distress.
It is a bit of a chicken v egg situation for sure. Obviously my theory is pure speculation but the Collins signing strikes me as a Fosun/Wolves signing rather than a Bruno one, so has to be commended. Plus I'd back this approach rather than giving Bruno whoever he wants given the jury is very much still out on whether he's up to scratch for this level.Good points, on point 1, definitely agree. Something we fans need to consider, too. Also, it could even be added that they wanted a more attacking style than Nuno had provided. They'd have known about Bruno's Benfica smashing it with free flowing attack. Of course, that's also an unrealistic expectation as Benfica are one of the giants in Portugal and without spending to get us up to the level of the Big 6 here, is a lost cause. (about half a billion is a good start, based on Chelsea and City).
I think there's a "can't get the job without the experience and can't get the experience without the job" factor on point 2. I'm not sure any manager could transform a squad that for 4 years was totally built around a deep back 3, with a midfielder assigned to stay back for further support, into a succesful attacking team. One that wins matches while dominating possesion - something we've hardly ever done. We win with 30 - 40% possession and when we have 60% or more, those are the matches we tend to struggle in. Get ahead, stay back and counter was what this squad was bought for and built for. Transform that - and break even on transfers, for added challenge, eh.
Anyway, yes, based on last season (minus those early matches that seem really strange given what we've seen since) , it is going to be hard to attract our targets. My view is that we showed many of our players could be more attacking (Neves springs to mind as transformed in that system) , but we struggled to score and if you're playing more open and going to concede a goal or two, you have to have the firepower to score a couple or three goals and we simply don't. Note that plenty of top 6 teams concede more than a goal game and still get points because they can score 2 or 3 without it being the rarity it is for us. TBF to Bruno, a worse manager would have carried on and led us to the lower end of the table playing pretty but ineffective football. Norwich and Fulham do it all the time. Leeds another example last season.
Don't think anybody is acting like Bruno is in distress. Just pointing out the reasons things are as they are. The problems are deeper than Bruno alone. Maybe Fosun could get some big name manager in, but that's the same as the problem attracting players. Especially with the "break even" policy. The only manager you could attract with an offer of "Hey, we want a transformation and you are the man to do it. BTW Your net budget is zero) is some chancer like Zenger or Saunders.
It is a bit of a chicken v egg situation for sure. Obviously my theory is pure speculation but the Collins signing strikes me as a Fosun/Wolves signing rather than a Bruno one, so has to be commended. Plus I'd back this approach rather than giving Bruno whoever he wants given the jury is very much still out on whether he's up to scratch for this level.
The Dortmund/Leicester model is the way to go.
We should go and get Cornet.
No, we don't need both, we need that lad from Spain. JustCan we get ice Creamiho as well.
I'm not seeing the terminal decline some of our perpetually forlorn contributors have identified.I mean he scored a perfectly good goal yesterday he wasn't involved in the foul by Neto, he did his bit. He also scored less than a week prior in the cup if he keeps going on that ratio all will be rosy. Or course we need a striker that provides a different option but I'm not writing Raul off.
Agreed. He created our best opportunity yesterday and put away his only chance.. did waste a decent counter in injury time, but overall he played as well as anyone else (bar Neves and Semedo who were exceptional).I'm not seeing the terminal decline some of our perpetually forlorn contributors have identified.